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grinch102

Jesus... I have an S1 myself, and this is a pretty scary thought. How would you suggest to go about checking the cables before something like this happens?


Shineon25

I’d do a once over for kinks or melted spots before each print. Now I’ll be checking it very often


MrHasuu

Bruh I have a 6 months old s1 pro. What kind of issues should I look out for this is my first printer


SleazyMak

If it’s smoking, turn it off If it’s on fire, good luck


Whoop_Rhettly

This is sound advice.


Commercial-9751

No, this is 3D printer advice.


Commercial-9751

If it's on fire try turning it off and back on again.


bakaneko718

In all seriousness if it is on fire turn off the source of power. Either at the printer (if it is safe enough to do so) or the surge protector. If neither is an option then unplug or flip the breaker if possible. That may help put the fire out or reduce it a bit. Then use anything other then water (co2 extinguisher or smother) and make sure emergency services is on the way while doing all of this. The fire might be out by the time they get there (hopefully), but that doesn't mean the danger is over. They will be able to determine that better depending on how bad things got. If you got it in time and there is no worries of that and you called you can still call to cancel them from coming. In all silliness: you can now roast your 3d printed marshmallows.


mkosmo

Nothing major. This isn’t a common thing that’s been widely reported.


Ghostking17

Maybe not on here but I have seen a bunch if posts about issues with the power supplies. From what I have seen it's usually someone who ran it on the wrong power setting.


mkosmo

Bad voltage selection (which is clearly articulated in the set up instructions), or pinching power cables is hardly the fault of the machine unless there’s some inherent design flaw.


Ghostking17

I don't care who is at fault, just that the problem gets solved and hopefully someone doesn't burn their house down in the process. Creality is hardly a company known for quality though and I would not rule out there being inherently poor designs. I run a business with multiple Ender 3 printers and have seen a whole host of poor engineering and lack of QC from Creality. Enough to say I will not buy another item from them.


Megadog1212

You get what you pay for.


Print_it_Mick

I'd leave it plugged in for maybe a bit longer, all the smoke hasnt escaped yet.


Commercial-9751

Gotta get a couple more takes on video. The lighting could have been better on that last one.


Shineon25

For those wondering this is what it looked like from the bottom https://preview.redd.it/erxdlhyvsq3b1.jpeg?width=3024&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=22454c837bb262d0d5545990b40d005fd5305580


Dwaas_Bjaas

Spicy cable


Shineon25

Wouldn’t eat it


EEpromChip

5/7 with rice


ihatedyingpeople

angry upvote for the 5/7 reference


shut____up

That makes me want to cry, for lack of a word. My S1 has been collecting dust for a year. I'm too busy with life shit to gain fun skills. I just feel bad that people the the Bambu Lab X1 Carbon, and I have a machine with old Marlin firmware that max out at 40 mm/s. I know people who are perfectly happy with their Ender 3 from MicroCenter. If something terrible happened with my printer, I'd be bummed to have spent $450 for a device that became faulty.


EddoWagt

What do you mean 40 mm/s, I was printing at 70 when my Ender 3 V2 was stock. You can totally get a raspberry pi or something similar, install klipper and print at 150 for like 50 bucks


Commercial-9751

You haven't been able to get a Raspberry Pi for MSRP for years unless you're as lucky as a lottery winner. They just announced they're increasing production but we'll see how that turns out. That said, once you can/do get one definitely go with klipper.


Shineon25

Honestly it’s an amazing printer. It’s not the best but the prints I’ve had were solid. This just throws me off. I don’t really trust it anymore


Safe_Honeydew7525

I think it’s more a fault of a bad cable that wasn‘t even produced by the company. Or is the error on the powersupply-box?


heretoeatcircuts

The S1 Pro is fantastic at least in terms of ender printers. It's still a creatily made printer of course but it has all the needed bells and whistles and I'm impressed with the print resolution even with the stock nozzle so far.


Mobius135

What an interesting failure point too, any signs of a cause?


Shineon25

I was told by creality support that it’s “excessive bending during transportation” but I’m unsure. Seemed fine and I baby my printers


Sardonislamir

They are effectively saying that the wires broke inside the line so that less contact points existed; thus resistance was increased and heat builds up. That seems like legalese from using shit wires.


Shineon25

Yeah that makes sense. Their alleged “optimized” hot bed is supposed to fix the issue so will see what happens.


HyperactiveWeasel

What are they claiming? I mean consuming less power so your cables don't melt is a bad workaround at best


Phoenixhawk101

Translation: we use the smallest gauge wire we can to cut costs.


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bingo, theyre probably riding the razors edge in terms of ampacity overhead. id also hazard a guess the internal wires are pvc jacketed instead of silicone which just speeds up the process


roterabe

Recently repaired exactly the same problem 1:1 The cables seemed covered in silicone rather than PVC, I don't recall them being aluminium too. Had to cut into the plastic, then resolder and reseal it. It's not ideal, but rather a temp solution. The gauge could be considered good enough, but it depends. An improper design seems more likely since the issue I repaired was caused by user error and hard kinking the cable.


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so the issue was the end user violated minimum bend radius? good to hear from someone who has firsthand insight to how these are built


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DigitalUnlimited

Copper > Chinesium


jarfil

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lolerwoman

From the picture you posted on another comment, there are no sings of bending. Shitty creality.. Is scaring. I would ‘mod’ that cable totally replacing it.


CouchPotato1178

it looks to me like there was a nick in the wire which led to a short circuit over time. if the conductors inside were nicked then that would lead to voltage drop which causes more amperage draw (which generates heat)


TokyoChopSquad

Are they sending replacement parts? Ask for a CR-30.


Shineon25

They said they’ll send me a newer or better bed. I’ll give it another try before looking into other options. I’ll keep a better eye on it tho


fatwoul

I don't think I'd want a creality replacement after that. I'd want to source and replace myself.


Invictuslemming1

Yeah if this was a loose connection point on a board or something I’d get it, but for the moulded cable to start melting. Last place I’d expect something to go up in smoke


RoundProgram887

They should recall all these cables. This happened to HP some years ago. https://support.hp.com/gb-en/document/c04404446


Invictuslemming1

Ideally they would ask OP for the NG cable and do an investigation of the failure if this is a first report for them. If this is not the first report of this specific failure it would definitely be warranted. To blame it on shipping damage right off the bat makes me feel this isn’t the first instance of this problem they’ve received.


Shineon25

If anything it sounded like a generic response. They couldn’t even get my name right in the emails, all I got was “dear customer” even though my name listed


DocPeacock

Poorly designed strain relief. The strain relief portion of the cable is too stiff. So the cable just bends where it exits the strain relief. The wires are braided, so probably it slowly broke them until they there were fewer and fewer wire strands to carry the current. You get an area of high resistance and it gets hot real quick.


Evajellyfish

Peak creality quality. Hope nothing bad happened.


Shineon25

Thankfully it happened as I was levelling the bed.


xXBoss_185Xx

Quick PSA to everyone, leveling your bed is a good idea, except from when it causes a fire


Shineon25

Just don’t level your bed because it causes fire


Kaeyr96

Have you tried levelling your bed?


GruesomeJeans

As an Anycubic owner, anything to do with electrical wires is scary...


Shineon25

Yeah no kidding. I’d take a failed print over wiring issues any day.


GruesomeJeans

For us is the bed thermistor wiring. It's very cheap and breaks inside the insulation so your bed temp suddenly goes whack and throws an error. I've resoldered mine 2 times now, finally with decent wiring.


Sebazzz91

Anycubic or Anet?


HeavyShid

Yes


Shineon25

Funny thing is I have an Anet a8 as well and this one decided to burn


GruesomeJeans

Anycubic


Turbulent-Move9126

It’s reality that quality control has hit the ground floor and mis headed for the basement It’s not just chinese printers - I’ve had bad quality control with HPE enterprise hardwares, gaming hardware from all vendors. It has just hit rock bottom over the last couple of years


blueskyredmesas

What's happening with QA? Did everyone just hire clones of my old boss or what?


pixelvengeur

Even simpler. They didn't hure anyone :)


jarfil

>!CENSORED!<


DocPeacock

Old QA saying: "when in doubt, ship it out"


DigitalUnlimited

Gotta keep those CEO bonuses up somehow!


Turbulent-Move9126

True mate I’m SuRe all of us wouldn’t want their private plane to not have an internet connection. Of course if something goes wrong they will perform a complete investigation, while ignoring all the facts and burning all the evidence until of course they found one of us low paid plebs to take the fall. Of course one of us would end up in super max prison while they will get a hefty fine and maybe even miss lunch as a result. Justice is blind but it sure can smell money.


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Shineon25

How do you have it wired ? Is it diy or bought the product ?


nellie4568

These are usually advertised as "microwave smoke cut off" devices, to catch microwave fires. If you're in the USA, they have them at Home Depot and similar.


Shineon25

Thanks for your reply, will definitely look into it.


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Shineon25

Also a really good suggestion. Will look into it


masterxiv

I can smell it from here 🤢


LisaStina

It's just the new abs plastic scent candle I bought


Shineon25

Forbidden incense


masterxiv

The kind you hate to love


EggDelicious6304

My s1's bed just stopped heating one day


Swizzel-Stixx

It wanted to print tpu


pi-robot

yo that printer of yours is fire, OP


Shineon25

Should check out my mixtape. Complete opposite


ChicksDigNerds

Yeah maybe just film it instead of *unplugging the fucking power*


Supercereal69

Doesn't he need to capture proof to send to Creality support?


Shineon25

Yeah that’s why I filmed it. Had my phone in my pocket too.


super-lizard

The cable needs to be replaced anyway. Now he's got proof of the issue and can raise awareness with this post. I'm glad he filmed it.


Shineon25

If this helps at least one person or helps in making creality fix their damn QA it’s worth taking the extra 10 sec to film it. However I do agree that in most situations filming is the last thing that should be done.


Shineon25

I didn’t even think of that, thank you


Challenging_Entropy

🤦‍♂️


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jarfil

>!CENSORED!<


Funkycrabs

All for sciense!


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That don't get the updoots though. Like 95% of the posts on r/wellthatsucks


VroomVroomMotor

Holy, that’s a scary thought to have.


grumpher05

Have you got enough clearance behind the bed to the wall when the bed is fully rearward? Kinda looks like the cable has been bent against the wall because theres not enough room, very possibly just a bad join from the factory though. Also if you're seeing something electrical actively trying to burn your house down you should turn it off before you reach for the phone


Ordinary-Depth-7835

Exactly what I was thinking. From the video it looks like it's right up against the wall.


Heratiki

Yup. Repetitive snacks into the wall and it went during bed leveling is a pretty clear indicator the wire was pinched.


Shineon25

The table thing it’s sitting on is maybe 3 inches away from the wall. It’s not hitting the wall and besides leveling, haven’t really printed anything that causes the bed the move that far back throughout the print. As for the video, took it to hopefully help in the warranty claim.


HugoDc4

Wasn't smoke signaling at the end of the print?! (Runs to check my ender 3v2 rebranded "Marlinboro red")


acidbrn391

My 4 year old cr10s pro just went out the same way last week. I couldn’t find a replacement heated bed online and the pad came up when I desoldered the wire, so the bed was shot. I just bought a cr10 smart pro at micro center on Wed and I’m hoping to get at least 4 years out of this before I need to replace it. My anycubic photon S’s touch screen went out on my the prior weekend and I ordered the photon mono m5s but that won’t arrive until August. I had a bad printer week. FYI buy a smoke detector to place above your fdm printer everyone, may save a life.


Shineon25

I’m currently attempting to build an enclosure and that’s my plan. Will add another camera at the back and perhaps that fire suppression ball I’ve seen used on this subreddit. Definitely getting a smoke alarm too!


deskunkie

Factory's failure it happens. Guaranteed?


Shineon25

Got a year through creality support. Awaiting replacement now. Hopefully this never happens again.


oliverer3

Love the smell of burnt carcinogens in the morning.


mongini12

Thank God i wired my 230V - 500W bed myself 😅


Johnny5ive15

Sooooooo... anyone know anything about fire suppression systems that one could install at home?


jarfil

>!CENSORED!<


Johnny5ive15

Thanks so much for all the information!


Ryrymc102

I just bought a S1… I scared now


deltahoch3

is this the cable going to the heatbed? what temp are you printing with? I mean the bed?


Shineon25

It was set at 60


StudioJamesCao

Wow


Shineon25

Wowawiwow


Gus_Smedstad

Wow.


the-powl

Interesting. I've never seen a cable melt at this point. No way I would have figured it out beforehand. If I'd let the printer run on its own I'd just had to accept my faith of a burned down house I guess.


moxzot

Wow, not good but at least it's only smoking. Guessing and hoping it's just a bad qc issue or maybe the wire wasn't seated right. I have a smart pro and it slightly worries me but in this case you would've never known.


Shineon25

Me too, me too. Hopefully the new bed fixes the issue and this was just an odd defect


Seaguard5

What is even happening here? A short in the cable or something?


Shineon25

Either that or the cable was crimped and slowly melted away until it reached its failure point.


Seaguard5

That’s… sad. Also why I bought a Raise3D E2. You know, for quality. So things like that don’t happen


aTuaMaeFodeBem

Just 3D print one.


DiscoLucas

This is why I keep all of my cables exposed with no insulated. In that way can easily see any shorts or problems ☺️


GammaDealer

You got a leak of magic smoke there.


VRBabe15

Could it be arcing inside the cable causing it to burn through? Did you hear a arcing zapping noise while filming? Or popping noise?


Shineon25

Nothing really. At first I even thought it was maybe filament or something. Didn’t believe that the printer decided to start burning until I looked closer and smelled it.


Invictuslemming1

Probably a minor defect in one of the wires, a tiny break. And likely the wire awg is riding the limits to keep the size/cost down, so any little defect will become an issue, probably failed a long time ago or bad from the factory and it’s now finally gotten bad enough to create enough heat to melt the cable


UncleGG808

Excellent QC


[deleted]

Was it catching the rear stepper motor when you'd print? Had to tighten mine up so it would stop, was afraid it would eventually rip itself out or short it


Shineon25

From when I set it up I made sure to clear everything and ensure it’s smooth. Maybe I missed something and it was ever slightly touching but even then the spot where the burn is, it’s almost impossible to touch anything.


CdrRed_beard

Not the magic smoke! That's what makes many things work. If it escapes most things don't work anymore


thefirsttenyears

The exact same thing happened to me! And I have the exact same model! Started to give me errors that the bed never got up in temp. And I split the cable and searched for the fault and it was the red powercable. It looked like the copper wire had been cut off and not worn off. Cause It was a clean cut. They REALLY need to look in to this before something serious happens! (Im a electrican so I know what im doing and looking for so I dont recomend anyone to do the same!)


NIGHTDREADED

Ironically, it looks like the thick insulation is what caused this to happen, I wonder if removing it would allow the cables to be more flexible, and thus avoid this happening again? On the other hand, have you been doing any large prints? Maybe ones that made the bed move all the way to the back? Possibly hitting the wall? Because in the bottom view picture, I can see the thick insulation surrounding the wires coming out of the stress relief grommet. This suggest repetitive stress on that joint. And thus, this would cause the wires to bend/short out. Also, if you dont mind, could you trace the power wires for the bed back to the motherboard and check their gauge? So we can verify this might have been the cause?


isunktheship

Magic smoke!


ConnectCan4354

It’s ok once the smoke goes out


Shineon25

It’s just warming up


C0NSCI0US

RMA it


valzzu

Instead of unplugging i think ill record this 😅


MoshDedov

That's why I love tinkering community. Something's burning? Turn it off? Let's film it!!! (I'm this way myself)


Shineon25

Do it for science !! Also warranty claim


44arz

reminder to not film and do something about the situation if shits going down.


MoshDedov

If something's burning already, it's already a short circuit, isn't it? I mean if it killed something, it can't kill anything else later. Would love to know if I'm wrong


SPECIMAN_A

Are you talking about the SOVOL SV01 PRO???


Vinegaz

Creality Ender-3 S1


austroalex

Probably used wires that were too small (but might have been just big enough if you use PWM control) that somehow broke when being bent (due to being very small) or was soldered / crimped there (likely highest point of resistance on the wire, causing a lot of heat)


PM_ME_YOUR_NANO

Tinted leads


petg_memories

I don't understand why people still buy Ender machines. Their QC is awful and their machines are not as good as the competition.


Pale_Ad_9838

It seems some of the electric cables within that line broke their insulation and the live wire touched or were near enough for a shortcut, creating heat like a toaster. Possibly the cable was bend during transportation or installation.


danielv123

Nah, more like the wires broke and only a few strands remain connected, causing high resistance.


zirhax

Yeah, a short circuit would be way more violent. Unless they implemented short circuit protection that is.


Fehniix

Very much agreed. Moreover SCs are very easily detectable and lifesavers cut off electricity to the whole house almost instantly if one were to occur.


sapper4lyfe

Why would you keep it energized for taking a video?


JazzyJeffsUnderpants

Hmmmm...Maybe...UNPLUG IT!


Choice_Fly_1054

Bruh I’ve had the s1 since last year. So about a year now.. zero issues.


soldier70dicks

This really shouldn't be a thing


gorditacrunch93

I had this happen to my S1 Pro as well and posted in this sub to get some help. I was told by a user that the likely cause was because my cord was hitting the back wall of my fabric enclosure, causing friction and wear over time. I can’t tell from your video, but is it possible that your cord is hitting the wall behind your printer?


keta-minies

I'm really considering buying a FDM printer but this it the exact thing that bothers me.. Of course i wouldn't let my printer run while i'm not here, but fire can spread fast.. really fast.. Not catching this in time could result in a catastrophic failure :(


B25B25

Having the printer on a fireproof surface or even better a fireproof enclosure, and no flammable material nearby is something to consider.


Fargonics

I have one as well and just had to replace the bed due to a failure in this area as well, it didn’t short out like this one did though. While I was waiting for the new bed to arrive I took apart the harness and inspected the wiring, they use very fine multi strand wire which is silver, it’s extremely flexible but felt very cheap. I would assume the wiring they need to use has to withstand the constant repetitive movements but I couldn’t see a way to improve the harness without losing flexibility.


MarxJ1477

Within a week of getting mine I had gouges in the bed cable from it rubbing against the motor. Went ahead and printed a bed chain and strain relief boot it to protect it. Hopefully that prevents things like this.


AZREDFERN

Was it bending against that wall behind it the whole time? You probably work hardened the copper inside.


Im_Not_F-ing_14

This is why I installed a smoke detector on the wall behind my printer


NoahoftheNorth8

So... Did creality happen to tell you what the amperage draw of that machine is supposed to be? If you can find that out you can put an ammeter on this line coming in and see if the problem is too much draw, or if it was just a bad lead. Hopefully it was just a bad lead, and the lead can be easily replaced or you can make your own if you want to have more confidence. If you are really fed up with this or concerned about going forward, you could send this whole machine and the wire to me and I will look into it for you. Let me know.


Shineon25

No, didn’t think of asking but that’s a good idea. Once I get my replacement bed I’ll look into it more and can post an update too.


Visual-Educator8354

Electric tape should fix it


Fluffy-Replacement97

What cable you cooking? Smells delicious


podrick_pleasure

Dude, all your magic smoke is getting out. Better check your seals.


pilot_bombowca_asg

„I know what’s wrong with it - ain’t got No gas in it!”


PhytonAndromeda

So lets say this happened what should i do how can i fix it im new to this stuff can someone explain im thinking about buying a 3d printer and as a tight budget hobbiest i thought s1 looks good is there any alternatives other than a prusa


ItayPollak

This is the 3 s1 pro? Their cables for the hotbed are just crap. I am supposed to be sent a new hotbed due to it stopping to work.


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NecessaryPossibility

New setting unlocked. Just change the setting in your slicer. It's the new flame effecr under special mode.


RobzillaMyNilla

Magic smoke means it’s working


HRodRedox

How do you fix this? I’ve never fudged with that cable before so I don’t know if it’s repairable or not


Shineon25

Hopefully you’re within the warranty period and submit a claim, otherwise I’d probably go 3rd party as some of the other users have mentioned


FettLivesMatter

Man, meanwhile my OG CR-10 is still chugging along. Haven’t had any issues except replacing the stock extruder for not plastic one


Saminator2384

Don't let all the smoke out, your hot end won't work.


RMazer1

What you leave it run in the whole time?


PhalanxA51

My first printer had exposed contacts for the heat bed and I accidentally put a paper lamp on the contacts and caught it on fire, it was a rough lesson learned that day.


reditusername39479

Any thing can become a smoke machine if you use it wrong enough


rofl4waffles

It's super hard to put the smoke back in, I suggest turning it off.


Live_Raise_4478

Is it a low amp cable or something? It looks like a molex, so I am just wondering if a low amp molex might cause this?


imjmsog

Installed a cavle guard for that cable to reduce presuure on the cable just in case. Thats my big fear when printing long prints and when im not there. I try to make sur theres at least someone in the house.


Redemption_One

Really unpleasant situation, leaving aside the poor quality of the creality materials not knowing the s1 I wonder if it works at 24v why hasn't the internal fuse blown? If I were you I would give it a check and put one of the right amperage and brand (I used a bosh one) and I feel a minimum safer.


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Just get the new bed + 250 watt heater from Gulf Coast Robotics.. much flatter, better print quality, better evenly heated. Well worth the $130 upgrade price for the bed + heater.


superhyperficial

I'm so happy I recently bought a fire alarm to go above my printer.


Fififaggetti

This is a very similar failure mode that the anet a 6 had cheep cables going into reactor meltdown. my printer would have burned my house down if I wasn’t Standing next to it when it shit the bed


torukmakto4

Internally broken conductor: common issue with the bed cable on any bed flinger. Replace with fine strand wire, generally also silicone insulated (which in the event of the conductor failing and overheating or fusing at a spot like this in the future, also achieves desired results of preventing melting of insulation and thus short, and preventing fire, because silicone doesn't burn) and make sure there is adequate length and adequate support at the bed end. I'm actually a bit surprised I have not needed to redo this particular harness yet on my Mark Two that likely has some random, PVC insulated, not fine strand hookup wire that was included in the kit, and that has been in service since 2017.


Wall_street_sucks

dude my ancubic kobra burnt my table..... i was in the bathroom when i smell some burnt piece and when I return due to hevy burning smell, the whole FUCKING TABLE is on fire. Unbelievable.1 month old Printer


notsofrog

https://preview.redd.it/37c2271niz3b1.jpeg?width=3000&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=97551b67ccf7a9202eba285e95ff9d6d2c7ca194 Exact same thing happend with me yesterday.


munkeybusinessss

Smoke emanating from the power cord isn't something you can check. That's internal insulation melting. Signs of a bigger problem internal to the machine. Either the cable was faulty to begin with, or you're in an overcurrent situation somewhere.


ContributionLevel830

Do you have a fire insurance for your home? Now might be the time to get one


Joeyrollin

Creality quality


Notwhoiwas42

And by all means if it starts smoking spend the time to take a video for the rest of us rather than immediately I'm playing it from the wall.