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The Niners traded DeForest Buckner straight up for the Colts first rounder which I think was like 13th overall. While 5 is worth a lot more, giving up two more picks with Aiyuk is just horrendous
I disagree - I’d give up Aiyuk, 31, and 93 for Harrison Jr or Nabers. It would save us from cap difficulties for like two more years.
Chargers would never, ever do this though. It’s a silly suggestion
Yeah and then we have dogshit OL so that Purdy can get sacked or miss the throw to that shiny new wide open MHJ.... yay. We need OL. We cannot give up 31.
You don’t get you see if we keep BA we just get BA…but if we trade him for a pick…that pick could become anything…it could even be a BA type player!!!
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At first i only saw Aiyuk for 5 and thought “huh, that’s a pretty decent trade.” Then I saw it had us giving up 2 more picks 😂😂 this guy is smokin dick
A late third round pick does not have the value that you think it has. A [player picked 94th is likely going to be out of the league in a couple years](https://theeagleswire.usatoday.com/lists/philadelphia-eagles-nfl-draft-history-94th-overall-pick-kevin-oconnell/), your best case scenario is probably a journeyman role player.
> All it takes is a long shot like Purdy to change the franchise forever.
This is an argument for "a team should never trade any picks ever and should in fact always trade down to accumulate the most low value picks possible". Which, fine, if you want to make that argument, but it's going to hamstring your ability to build out a roster, and also lead to heavily overvaluing late round picks.
Or, to put it another way, I would invite you to look at the 49ers roster and consider which players 1) you think will and should make the roster this year but 2) you would be open to trading for a seventh round pick. Remember, that pick could be Brock Purdy!
Ours is the #94 pick, which again, is not very valuable whatsoever. In the last twenty or so years, Cam Sutton is the only player picked there who has been worthy of more than a veteran minimum contract, although I suppose you can make a notable exception for Kevin O'Connell, who was nigh-useless as a player but seems to be a decent coach.
Late thirds basically never hit.
Top 100 picks are very valuable, if you disagree I don’t know what to tell you but there is an insane amount of talent to be drafted that early in the draft.
The Shanahan era alone has seen George Kittle, DJ Jones, DJ Reed, Mitch Wishnowsky, Dre Greenlaw, Colton Mckivitz, Jauan Jennings, Demo Lenoir, Hufanga, Elijah Mitchell, BROCK PURDY, and a whole lot more have been drafted after pick 94.
So yes, it is an objectively very valuable pick with which you can find an endless amount of talent with.
That trade would actually be considerably in our favour. Aiyuk isn't as valuable as people here want to think. The true value of a draft pick isn't the potential to get a good player, it's the potential to vastly underpay one. And in this draft, trading the #5 could yield a great haul from a QB-needy team.
I wouldn’t exactly want them to do it but it seems like a fair trade value wise to me. It values Aiyuk as the 17th overall pick on his own which is probably about right. Again, I’d prefer they keep Aiyuk but I do see the benefit in this.
Even moreso because he values Aiyuk at the 17th pick. AJ Brown was traded for #17 & #101. So you can immediately take that 3rd rounder off.
But if Aiyuk is valued at 17+94, then Aiyuk + 31 for #5 does actually match the value of the chart, even at a discount for SF.
except there are zero guarantees the WR the Chargers take at #5 is an all-pro. There is a 100% guarantee Brandon Aiyuk is.
Also, I'd argue this class being deeper means the top picks are less valuable because you can wait and still find talent.
> except there are zero guarantees the WR the Chargers take at #5 is an all-pro. There is a 100% guarantee Brandon Aiyuk is.
There is also a 100% guarantee that Brandon Aiyuk will command $25M-$30M per year during the next four years when we're tight against the cap, and a 100% guarantee that whoever is drafted at #5 will not. And if you're looking for a high probability that whoever you draft at WR won't bust, you're not really going to find a better pair of prospects than Marvin Harrison Jr. or Rome Odunze (Nabers has a higher ceiling than Odunze but a lower floor as well).
I am not a fan of MHJ for a fit for us. We need someone physical and I think if we can walk away with Rome and 3 more picks for aiyuk I am good. Nabers Is a better fit I think than MHJ. I am a big aiyuk fan I hate to see him go but I hate how he handling everything
Initially I hated it, but looking at the draft pick calculator 31 and 91 are equivalent to 724 in value while #5 is 1700, leaving Aiyuk with an assigned value of 976, basically pick 16.5.
Ideally I'd pair that trade with an immediate trade down to still have one of the blue chip Tackles/Wrs after the run on QBs to start the draft and recoup value but that trade probably dosent exist or the chargers likely make it.
This is a situation where you have to put down the calculator and take a step back to look at the big picture.
The 49ers are a win-now team that wants to keep all high impact players and wants to have many shots in the draft for future replacement. This team should not trade high quality players under team control and should keep as many mid/late round picks as possible.
It's about matching your assets to your window of competitiveness.
An asset like MHJ props that window wide open. Dudes a hybrid of AJG and Julio Jones. Chasing windows is over rated, build as strong of a roster as possible for as long as possible
MHJ isn’t lasting until 5, probably going 4 to cards. If he does make it to 5, LAC won’t trade their pick.
For anyone else, to me it seems like the boat vs the mystery box. Aiyuk is Aiyuk, but the draft pick could be anything—he could be the next Aiyuk!
Idk man I’ll believe it when I see it. The week leading up to draft is full of smokescreens and clickbait. 4QBs to open sounds preposterous, though to be fair top 3 picks do have positional need. But cards need a wr. They have Kyler whose top target rn is fucken Michael Wilson. They’d be on some crazy stuff if they trade back to give up on the best prospect in years at their biggest positional need.
Guys, how about this, Bears give us the 1st and 9th pick, and we send Aiyuk. Commanders send us their 2nd for Brock (Peters connection
) Then we trade Deebo to the Pats for the 3rd. Then we trade the 9th and the 31st to the cardinals for the 4th pick. Then we trade Kittle to the Chargers for the 5th pick. Then we trade Trent to the Giants for the 6th pick. Then we trade CMC to the Titans (so he can be on Bussin more) for the 7th pick.
What do you guys think? Should we do it? If enough people like my trade proposal, Lynch will definitely do it.
Aiyuk is under-valued. Trading an All-Pro receiver and a high pick to get a maybe (likely?) All-Pro receiver is dumb. Aiyuk is the keeper; Deebo's the guy who's going to move, either via trade or as a free agent. Purdy is next year's problem; they don't have to solve it this year.
The proposal he came up with is Aiyuk, #31, and #94 for #5. I think the 49ers would do that in a heartbeat. Chargers cap situation would probably prevent them from saying yes to this.
I honestly wouldn’t hate it. It would get us MHJ or potentially +2 first if we traded back for next year and year after.
I would rather just take MHJ if it was the option. I am okay with losing a 3rd rounder tbh. We only have 1 cheapish year from Aiyuk left anyways, and then we get nothing in return if he wants to leave.
Extending him will reduce his cap hit this year, allowing the band to stay together and wait until next off season to unload Deebo.
Though since this is fantasyland, and if I was playing Madden, I would trade Aiyuk and the picks for MHJ.
MHJ seems like a once in a lifetime pick, so i am okay with it.
I think the more realistic approach is the former though, which is what i have expected since he has broken out a bit.
I’d do BA and a 2nd to get to 5 but I doubt the Chargers would go for that. If you went with Barnwell’s proposal, you would have the option to move down and recoup lost draft capital. Potentially pick up a 2nd and a 4th to move back into the early teens and grab Fautanu.
I mean, as much as it would hurt, I would probably do it.
I'd then try to trade #5 to a QB needy team (MIN, DEN, LAS), get someone like Fashanu or Fuaga. Maybe get another 3rd or 4th on top of it. Then get Ladd McConkey at #31.
The thing is if I'm the Chargers, I'm not making that deal. If it's a WR you want, you'd be better off going for Nabers or Odunze. They'd be a wildcard, but would be on a rookie deal for 4-5 years.
We need someone ready now… as good as they potentially may be… we have someone bought in to the system now. Dumb move. But I am no expert so there’s that.
Ayuik + 31 + 94
I would do this.
At #5 I would take Joe Alt. You want a can't-miss prospect who's guaranteed All Pro, that's Joe Alt.
In the 2nd I would look at a WR.
Look, Aiyuk wants Jefferson money and isn’t worth that in this offense. Trade him and let’s get younger which will allow us to keep others instead of one.
Trade up? Yes, but not for a WR. The right move is to trade up into the teens for a OT. There’s a crop of OT’s who will be available between 10-20.
For example: trade Denver #31, 2024/2, 2025/2, and 2024/3. We get a player like Fuaga. Denver gets to restock its defense in a single draft. Maybe they take Penix/Nix if they drop to 31.
For Denver there’s no one at 12 who will make their team better than take a bunch of guys in the 2nd/3rd. For us we get the opportunity to draft a OT of the future.
Same logic would also apply with NO at 14 or Raiders at 13 (though they never trade down).
The reason I think we can part with our own 2/3rds is that we have 3 4ths to draft depth in this draft. With a roster without many holes fixing the glaring issue on the OL has to be a priority.
I wouldn't give up aiyuk and our 2nd and 3rd round picks that's crazy talk. It's nice having a rookie contract, but who knows if these guys will be what Brandon is or play with his intent and effort. Maybe straight up or BA and like a 4th this year, along with a conditional pick next year. 2nd and 3rd is too much. We need depth for this team badly. We need the picks.
Aiyuk for MHJ is a win for us, unlikely for anyone in a position to draft him to do this. We would gain a day 1 starter that can potentially exceed BA’s production on a cheap deal for 4 years.
That’s assuming MHJ is there at #5 which I honestly think is the hottest take of all of this. No way he’s there at 5. The plus 2 picks is horrendous regardless of what the draft calculators analytics say
Nah, #5 could easily become a couple first round picks if some QBs are still on the board, or become MHJ if they’re not, which would solve a LOT of our cap troubles in the next four years.
With rumors of the top 4 picks being QBs, the 5th pick is essentially drafting the best non-QB in the draft. No way the Niners passes up that opportunity. They easily make that trade with zero hesitation.
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lol what
The Niners traded DeForest Buckner straight up for the Colts first rounder which I think was like 13th overall. While 5 is worth a lot more, giving up two more picks with Aiyuk is just horrendous
I disagree - I’d give up Aiyuk, 31, and 93 for Harrison Jr or Nabers. It would save us from cap difficulties for like two more years. Chargers would never, ever do this though. It’s a silly suggestion
Yeah and then we have dogshit OL so that Purdy can get sacked or miss the throw to that shiny new wide open MHJ.... yay. We need OL. We cannot give up 31.
You're acting like the only OL is at 31. This is a very deep draft for OL..
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Or what if they get #5 and pick Alt? There you go, they solve one of the OL problems and there’s still plenty of WR depth to pick up another WR
Chargers don’t have the cap room, so it’d be a terrible trade on their end.
Ballards best draft pick.
You don’t get you see if we keep BA we just get BA…but if we trade him for a pick…that pick could become anything…it could even be a BA type player!!! /s
F off With that compensation
At first i only saw Aiyuk for 5 and thought “huh, that’s a pretty decent trade.” Then I saw it had us giving up 2 more picks 😂😂 this guy is smokin dick
Yeah if Harrison is there you MAYBE give up 31 with aiyuk because he’s just that insanely good. But anything more than that is a big stretch.
A late third round pick does not have the value that you think it has. A [player picked 94th is likely going to be out of the league in a couple years](https://theeagleswire.usatoday.com/lists/philadelphia-eagles-nfl-draft-history-94th-overall-pick-kevin-oconnell/), your best case scenario is probably a journeyman role player.
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> All it takes is a long shot like Purdy to change the franchise forever. This is an argument for "a team should never trade any picks ever and should in fact always trade down to accumulate the most low value picks possible". Which, fine, if you want to make that argument, but it's going to hamstring your ability to build out a roster, and also lead to heavily overvaluing late round picks. Or, to put it another way, I would invite you to look at the 49ers roster and consider which players 1) you think will and should make the roster this year but 2) you would be open to trading for a seventh round pick. Remember, that pick could be Brock Purdy!
The Patriots dynasty made everyone into a trading down guru.
Google strawman fallacy.
Ours is still a top 100 pick so it’s a very valuable pick with a ton of talent still on the board.
Ours is the #94 pick, which again, is not very valuable whatsoever. In the last twenty or so years, Cam Sutton is the only player picked there who has been worthy of more than a veteran minimum contract, although I suppose you can make a notable exception for Kevin O'Connell, who was nigh-useless as a player but seems to be a decent coach. Late thirds basically never hit.
Top 100 picks are very valuable, if you disagree I don’t know what to tell you but there is an insane amount of talent to be drafted that early in the draft. The Shanahan era alone has seen George Kittle, DJ Jones, DJ Reed, Mitch Wishnowsky, Dre Greenlaw, Colton Mckivitz, Jauan Jennings, Demo Lenoir, Hufanga, Elijah Mitchell, BROCK PURDY, and a whole lot more have been drafted after pick 94. So yes, it is an objectively very valuable pick with which you can find an endless amount of talent with.
That trade would actually be considerably in our favour. Aiyuk isn't as valuable as people here want to think. The true value of a draft pick isn't the potential to get a good player, it's the potential to vastly underpay one. And in this draft, trading the #5 could yield a great haul from a QB-needy team.
I wouldn’t exactly want them to do it but it seems like a fair trade value wise to me. It values Aiyuk as the 17th overall pick on his own which is probably about right. Again, I’d prefer they keep Aiyuk but I do see the benefit in this.
Add in a 5th coming back to us and I would be ok with this. We could extend Ward and Demo with the cap savings
Chargers have already said they want ‘more than a fair trade’ for trading #5 pick. So it’s not that unthinkable, if it was to happen
He used the JJ draft value chart and had Aiyuk valued as #17. People might not like the idea, but the it’s not preposterously imbalanced.
It really is a lot to give up.
Yeah. Aiyuk and 2 picks to get a shot at maybe an Aiyuk replacement is insane from the 9ers perspective
So you're saying it's not out of the question?
Even moreso because he values Aiyuk at the 17th pick. AJ Brown was traded for #17 & #101. So you can immediately take that 3rd rounder off. But if Aiyuk is valued at 17+94, then Aiyuk + 31 for #5 does actually match the value of the chart, even at a discount for SF.
Picks, especially top 20 picks, are worth a LOT more in this draft than in 2022, and veteran WRs a lot less thanks to a loaded WR class.
except there are zero guarantees the WR the Chargers take at #5 is an all-pro. There is a 100% guarantee Brandon Aiyuk is. Also, I'd argue this class being deeper means the top picks are less valuable because you can wait and still find talent.
> except there are zero guarantees the WR the Chargers take at #5 is an all-pro. There is a 100% guarantee Brandon Aiyuk is. There is also a 100% guarantee that Brandon Aiyuk will command $25M-$30M per year during the next four years when we're tight against the cap, and a 100% guarantee that whoever is drafted at #5 will not. And if you're looking for a high probability that whoever you draft at WR won't bust, you're not really going to find a better pair of prospects than Marvin Harrison Jr. or Rome Odunze (Nabers has a higher ceiling than Odunze but a lower floor as well).
and that $25M-$30M is an extension for C.Ward + about half of one for Greenlaw/Hufanga or most of one for D.Lenoir.
Excellent take
Nabers clears Aiyuk right now though. It's not just a "shot".
Can’t possibly know that …. Silly to think so.
I think Harrison is the only one you feel that way with. He’s dang near the next Jamar Chase as far as draft hype and grades go.
Well I believe Nabers comparison is closer to Chase than MHJ…. But either way, to say we “know Nabers is already better than Aiyuk “ is moronic
>It's not just a "shot". Said about every flameout first rounder ever
Also said about guys that eventually became all pros.
The known of Aiyuk > the unknown of a draft pick.
This is a prime example of analytics getting in the way of logic
Get the 5th pick and move back hopefully someone qb hungry and get 3-4 picks out of it. Hopefully walk away with Rome odunze + others
5th overall we better walk away with MHJ honestly. Getting the WR3 for all of this would be insane. Nabers at least would be there.
I am not a fan of MHJ for a fit for us. We need someone physical and I think if we can walk away with Rome and 3 more picks for aiyuk I am good. Nabers Is a better fit I think than MHJ. I am a big aiyuk fan I hate to see him go but I hate how he handling everything
MHJ is 6'4"....is that not big enough to be a physical receiver? Dude is going to tower over almost every defensive back he plays against.
Being Physical is a mindset not about size. There a reason is yac is trash compared to others. He doesn’t want to get hit
I certainly am. In the ink MHJ projects as a better Aiyuk
Odunze will be the best WR of this class. Quote me on it
Initially I hated it, but looking at the draft pick calculator 31 and 91 are equivalent to 724 in value while #5 is 1700, leaving Aiyuk with an assigned value of 976, basically pick 16.5. Ideally I'd pair that trade with an immediate trade down to still have one of the blue chip Tackles/Wrs after the run on QBs to start the draft and recoup value but that trade probably dosent exist or the chargers likely make it.
Trade for 5 then trade the Vikings for both their firsts because I’m a dreamer
This is the way. Recoup your second round pick immediately and still get a tackle.
This is a situation where you have to put down the calculator and take a step back to look at the big picture. The 49ers are a win-now team that wants to keep all high impact players and wants to have many shots in the draft for future replacement. This team should not trade high quality players under team control and should keep as many mid/late round picks as possible. It's about matching your assets to your window of competitiveness.
An asset like MHJ props that window wide open. Dudes a hybrid of AJG and Julio Jones. Chasing windows is over rated, build as strong of a roster as possible for as long as possible
MHJ isn’t lasting until 5, probably going 4 to cards. If he does make it to 5, LAC won’t trade their pick. For anyone else, to me it seems like the boat vs the mystery box. Aiyuk is Aiyuk, but the draft pick could be anything—he could be the next Aiyuk!
There was a report this morning of 4 qbs to open the draft. I don't think he'll be there at 5 but we really don't know anything yet
Idk man I’ll believe it when I see it. The week leading up to draft is full of smokescreens and clickbait. 4QBs to open sounds preposterous, though to be fair top 3 picks do have positional need. But cards need a wr. They have Kyler whose top target rn is fucken Michael Wilson. They’d be on some crazy stuff if they trade back to give up on the best prospect in years at their biggest positional need.
It’s officially the silly season
Absolutely not.
#5 doesn’t even get us MHJ anyways.
It’s a mock draft of all trades people - ain’t gonna happen
Guys, how about this, Bears give us the 1st and 9th pick, and we send Aiyuk. Commanders send us their 2nd for Brock (Peters connection  ) Then we trade Deebo to the Pats for the 3rd. Then we trade the 9th and the 31st to the cardinals for the 4th pick. Then we trade Kittle to the Chargers for the 5th pick. Then we trade Trent to the Giants for the 6th pick. Then we trade CMC to the Titans (so he can be on Bussin more) for the 7th pick. What do you guys think? Should we do it? If enough people like my trade proposal, Lynch will definitely do it.
This guy Maddens.
No. Stop it.
Aiyuk is under-valued. Trading an All-Pro receiver and a high pick to get a maybe (likely?) All-Pro receiver is dumb. Aiyuk is the keeper; Deebo's the guy who's going to move, either via trade or as a free agent. Purdy is next year's problem; they don't have to solve it this year.
If it was Aiyuk and #31 maybe.
The proposal he came up with is Aiyuk, #31, and #94 for #5. I think the 49ers would do that in a heartbeat. Chargers cap situation would probably prevent them from saying yes to this.
I honestly wouldn’t hate it. It would get us MHJ or potentially +2 first if we traded back for next year and year after. I would rather just take MHJ if it was the option. I am okay with losing a 3rd rounder tbh. We only have 1 cheapish year from Aiyuk left anyways, and then we get nothing in return if he wants to leave.
Extending him will reduce his cap hit this year, allowing the band to stay together and wait until next off season to unload Deebo. Though since this is fantasyland, and if I was playing Madden, I would trade Aiyuk and the picks for MHJ.
MHJ seems like a once in a lifetime pick, so i am okay with it. I think the more realistic approach is the former though, which is what i have expected since he has broken out a bit.
If it’s aiyuk, a 2nd and a 3rd I’d be in but we need our own 1st to grab an OT
It’s an all trade mock I wouldn’t make much of it.
I’d do BA and a 2nd to get to 5 but I doubt the Chargers would go for that. If you went with Barnwell’s proposal, you would have the option to move down and recoup lost draft capital. Potentially pick up a 2nd and a 4th to move back into the early teens and grab Fautanu.
5 for BA + 31 + a 3rd… Chargers would be insane to do that
I mean, as much as it would hurt, I would probably do it. I'd then try to trade #5 to a QB needy team (MIN, DEN, LAS), get someone like Fashanu or Fuaga. Maybe get another 3rd or 4th on top of it. Then get Ladd McConkey at #31. The thing is if I'm the Chargers, I'm not making that deal. If it's a WR you want, you'd be better off going for Nabers or Odunze. They'd be a wildcard, but would be on a rookie deal for 4-5 years.
We need someone ready now… as good as they potentially may be… we have someone bought in to the system now. Dumb move. But I am no expert so there’s that.
This is one of those trades that would never happen in reality, so I think everyone should just ignore it.
Fuck that.
Why the fuck would the Chargers do that
Exactly. They can just draft Nabers at 5 and have him for five years on a rookie deal.
I’m flimsy on this but it’s the only trade scenario I’d entertain tbh. I could tolerate either guy but I lean MHjr.
Nope
Ayuik + 31 + 94 I would do this. At #5 I would take Joe Alt. You want a can't-miss prospect who's guaranteed All Pro, that's Joe Alt. In the 2nd I would look at a WR.
No one’s giving up #5 for Aiyuk
Look, Aiyuk wants Jefferson money and isn’t worth that in this offense. Trade him and let’s get younger which will allow us to keep others instead of one.
Why when we already have an Ayuik.
Trade up? Yes, but not for a WR. The right move is to trade up into the teens for a OT. There’s a crop of OT’s who will be available between 10-20. For example: trade Denver #31, 2024/2, 2025/2, and 2024/3. We get a player like Fuaga. Denver gets to restock its defense in a single draft. Maybe they take Penix/Nix if they drop to 31. For Denver there’s no one at 12 who will make their team better than take a bunch of guys in the 2nd/3rd. For us we get the opportunity to draft a OT of the future. Same logic would also apply with NO at 14 or Raiders at 13 (though they never trade down). The reason I think we can part with our own 2/3rds is that we have 3 4ths to draft depth in this draft. With a roster without many holes fixing the glaring issue on the OL has to be a priority.
DO IT
I wouldn't give up aiyuk and our 2nd and 3rd round picks that's crazy talk. It's nice having a rookie contract, but who knows if these guys will be what Brandon is or play with his intent and effort. Maybe straight up or BA and like a 4th this year, along with a conditional pick next year. 2nd and 3rd is too much. We need depth for this team badly. We need the picks.
Aiyuk for MHJ is a win for us, unlikely for anyone in a position to draft him to do this. We would gain a day 1 starter that can potentially exceed BA’s production on a cheap deal for 4 years.
That’s assuming MHJ is there at #5 which I honestly think is the hottest take of all of this. No way he’s there at 5. The plus 2 picks is horrendous regardless of what the draft calculators analytics say
I would do that in a heartbeat, yes.
I’ll fly over and help Aiyuk pack if it’s for 5.
Proposed was our 1st,3rd, and Aiyuk for #5. Absolute garbage. We can find a decent WR in the 3rd or 4th
Oh fuck that
Nah, #5 could easily become a couple first round picks if some QBs are still on the board, or become MHJ if they’re not, which would solve a LOT of our cap troubles in the next four years.
Yeah totally fine with it.
I love BA but giving up the 5th pick in the draft for him is absolutely moronic. He’s probably trying to engagement farm.
There’s no way a team is giving the Niners a top 10 pick for Aiyuk. If they were to do so, the Niners would happily accept the offer.
Full trade has us also sending picks 31 and 94, no thank you.
With rumors of the top 4 picks being QBs, the 5th pick is essentially drafting the best non-QB in the draft. No way the Niners passes up that opportunity. They easily make that trade with zero hesitation.
for number 5? hell ya