Irakunda scored his first goal on his debut with Bayern Munich’s reserves the other day, and yet he’s in the thumbnail for a video about players struggling in Europe.
just to temper people's expectations
alphonso davies who was successful only had 4 sub appearances for bayern and 4 for the 2nd team in his first season. hope everyone is patient with him.
Davies also benefited from an injury crisis at left-back at Bayern at the the time if Im not mistaken. He didnt play as a left-back at the Whitecaps.
As a counter point, Bayern paid Whitecaps 15 million US dollars for him. So his future at Bayern was more assured with that price tag than Nestor.
I found this quite a shallow analysis, especially for a 10 min video. It's the same as countless articles already written and doesn't do deep into addressing why players have failed in the loan moves. I'm not sure you can even generalise a reason.
It’s sad how keen people are for the kid to fail. Tall poppy syndrome can fuck right off. Even if he turns into a half decent player in a decent league he’s a more successful footballer than half the players that we produce.
I feel like the A-League is a bit of a safety net that takes the "edge" away from failure.
If you don't make it in Europe you can always come back here and pick up $300k a year to play.
I've listened to so many of the "golden gen" like Bresciano, Grella, Lazaridis etc say when they were over in minor European league like Belgium in the middle of the night, missing their families, not speaking the language, wanting to come home, they *knew* failure was not an option. There was nothing to come back to (football-wise). They had to fight for everything.
Yeah I am glad that has changed, it wasn't all that long ago it was still seen as better to waste away on a bench overseas than to come back here. It is looked at as more of a reset than failure now and that is a good thing. I hope things work out for Irankunda but it is great if he feels he can always come back to our league if needed.
Aaron Mooy was one that coming back to play here really helped him to go back overseas and have success, so we know it can be done.
Every strong football country uses their domestic league as both a building block for youth players and a safety net for older players. So that making money and pursuing the professional game is actually viable, not a shot in the dark.
The best countries in the world have strong domestic leagues. You think you take away Brazil's domestic league and they improve as a country...because it somehow hardens their players? Argentina? France? Bit absurd.
I don't think Australian footballers have it too easy, they have more barriers than most countries for soccer, if anything.
All those leagues are way more entrenched than the NSL was at the time. It was pretty much part-time stuff. Australian players can actually have a pretty comfortable and successful career on our shores these days. See guys like Rhyan Grant. It would absolutely take the edge away from failure for guys like Nathan Burns and Tommy Oar who sort of half made it in Europe but didn't really. They can come back here and get a pay cheque where previous generations couldn't. I don't think it's rocket science.
New oil leagues also add to it. Craig Goodwin in my mind could have had a good career in Europe if he'd needed to. Players don't have to push that hard these days if they don't really want to.
So the real reason Australia are failing in soccer is because their domestic league has strengthened since the 90's?
The way to become a powerhouse in soccer is to have at best a semi pro league domestically.
That's your argument?
Why has Australia failed to produce a single top-quality elite European player since the A-League started? Our best players over the past 20-odd years are probably Jedinak, Mooy, Rogic and Ryan. Hardly world-beaters. I'm not saying it's the only reason, but I think it's naive to dismiss the safety net of having a league to fall back on. It's certainly not helping our players get better, is it?
That's just disingenuous mate. Football is the only sport nearly every kid plays in those countries. France (x3) and Brazil (x10) have populations that dwarf our own. These leagues also have huge clubs to play for in and of themselves.
All better than A-League, the Swiss National team for instance was only a couple of goals away from the Euro semi finals and included older players like Schar, Xhaka and Shaqiri.
All these countries have vastly superior leagues - not merely OK - to the A-League , which is not equivalent to any top league in ANY country.
That is why any decent Australian player leaves as soon as possible.
*the A-League, which is not equivalent to any top league in ANY country*
Can't take anything you say seriously after that. No one is suggesting that we are top 5 but we are not the worst tournament in the entire world.
I think people comparing Irankunda with Singh are forgetting the injuries that Singh sustained as well. He went without playing for a while, the manager changed, the footballing staff changed, he was the forgotten man and off he went.
There are plenty of this kinds of stories too. Look at Rojas. The next big thing…then injuries and a lack of form saw him shipped off all over the place.
There’s always a reason. Those reasons often don’t make good storytelling.
People always ignore the injuries.
Lost count of the number of time X player has been called a flop 6 months in when the reality is they've done their ACL.
Feel like the environment here is much different to Europe
Everything is pretty relaxed and happy go lucky here, almost too laid back at times whereas Europe everything is go go go and pretty cutthroat. Can be a bit of a rude awakening
People just shoehorn in their favourite hobby horse into whatever the discussion is. Promotion and relegation does not make skill levels clearer it just means you’re playing against some players who got into the league on the coattails of a successful promotion after being hired at a NPL like level.
The level of the aleague is what makes the quality more variable and harder to judge.
Irakunda scored his first goal on his debut with Bayern Munich’s reserves the other day, and yet he’s in the thumbnail for a video about players struggling in Europe.
I know right - give him a season or three and then see if he's struggling.
Despite no longer being a part of OCE also haha
It’s more about previous players like Singh and Arzani. He’s just the thumbnail because he’s one of our latest young talents to go to a huge club.
just to temper people's expectations alphonso davies who was successful only had 4 sub appearances for bayern and 4 for the 2nd team in his first season. hope everyone is patient with him.
Davies also benefited from an injury crisis at left-back at Bayern at the the time if Im not mistaken. He didnt play as a left-back at the Whitecaps. As a counter point, Bayern paid Whitecaps 15 million US dollars for him. So his future at Bayern was more assured with that price tag than Nestor.
6 sub appearances in half a season actually
I found this quite a shallow analysis, especially for a 10 min video. It's the same as countless articles already written and doesn't do deep into addressing why players have failed in the loan moves. I'm not sure you can even generalise a reason.
Change the thumbnail and i might watch the video. Using Irankunda is stupid, he just got there.
It’s sad how keen people are for the kid to fail. Tall poppy syndrome can fuck right off. Even if he turns into a half decent player in a decent league he’s a more successful footballer than half the players that we produce.
I feel like the A-League is a bit of a safety net that takes the "edge" away from failure. If you don't make it in Europe you can always come back here and pick up $300k a year to play. I've listened to so many of the "golden gen" like Bresciano, Grella, Lazaridis etc say when they were over in minor European league like Belgium in the middle of the night, missing their families, not speaking the language, wanting to come home, they *knew* failure was not an option. There was nothing to come back to (football-wise). They had to fight for everything.
Yeah I am glad that has changed, it wasn't all that long ago it was still seen as better to waste away on a bench overseas than to come back here. It is looked at as more of a reset than failure now and that is a good thing. I hope things work out for Irankunda but it is great if he feels he can always come back to our league if needed. Aaron Mooy was one that coming back to play here really helped him to go back overseas and have success, so we know it can be done.
Every strong football country uses their domestic league as both a building block for youth players and a safety net for older players. So that making money and pursuing the professional game is actually viable, not a shot in the dark. The best countries in the world have strong domestic leagues. You think you take away Brazil's domestic league and they improve as a country...because it somehow hardens their players? Argentina? France? Bit absurd. I don't think Australian footballers have it too easy, they have more barriers than most countries for soccer, if anything.
All those leagues are way more entrenched than the NSL was at the time. It was pretty much part-time stuff. Australian players can actually have a pretty comfortable and successful career on our shores these days. See guys like Rhyan Grant. It would absolutely take the edge away from failure for guys like Nathan Burns and Tommy Oar who sort of half made it in Europe but didn't really. They can come back here and get a pay cheque where previous generations couldn't. I don't think it's rocket science. New oil leagues also add to it. Craig Goodwin in my mind could have had a good career in Europe if he'd needed to. Players don't have to push that hard these days if they don't really want to.
So the real reason Australia are failing in soccer is because their domestic league has strengthened since the 90's? The way to become a powerhouse in soccer is to have at best a semi pro league domestically. That's your argument?
Why has Australia failed to produce a single top-quality elite European player since the A-League started? Our best players over the past 20-odd years are probably Jedinak, Mooy, Rogic and Ryan. Hardly world-beaters. I'm not saying it's the only reason, but I think it's naive to dismiss the safety net of having a league to fall back on. It's certainly not helping our players get better, is it?
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That's just disingenuous mate. Football is the only sport nearly every kid plays in those countries. France (x3) and Brazil (x10) have populations that dwarf our own. These leagues also have huge clubs to play for in and of themselves.
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All better than A-League, the Swiss National team for instance was only a couple of goals away from the Euro semi finals and included older players like Schar, Xhaka and Shaqiri.
All these countries have vastly superior leagues - not merely OK - to the A-League , which is not equivalent to any top league in ANY country. That is why any decent Australian player leaves as soon as possible.
*the A-League, which is not equivalent to any top league in ANY country* Can't take anything you say seriously after that. No one is suggesting that we are top 5 but we are not the worst tournament in the entire world.
Sorry to burst your tiny little bubble of despair. For instance it’s probably comparable to English League 1, the old 3rd Division.
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The English Football League is a strong league, but if you dropped any A-League team into League 1 they would struggle throughout the season.
Yes and they had to walk barefoot in the snow to school, uphill both ways.
I’ve said the same thing over and over again
Isnt he Australian? AFC not OFC.
Video covers Kiwis too, but jumping confederations ≠ jumping continents.
Aus is part of Oceania geographically, and that is usually more important in terms of determining culture around training and player development
They're not really referring to conference, more continent
I think people comparing Irankunda with Singh are forgetting the injuries that Singh sustained as well. He went without playing for a while, the manager changed, the footballing staff changed, he was the forgotten man and off he went. There are plenty of this kinds of stories too. Look at Rojas. The next big thing…then injuries and a lack of form saw him shipped off all over the place. There’s always a reason. Those reasons often don’t make good storytelling.
People always ignore the injuries. Lost count of the number of time X player has been called a flop 6 months in when the reality is they've done their ACL.
Thank goodness we aren’t in the Oceania confederation then..
Feel like the environment here is much different to Europe Everything is pretty relaxed and happy go lucky here, almost too laid back at times whereas Europe everything is go go go and pretty cutthroat. Can be a bit of a rude awakening
People just shoehorn in their favourite hobby horse into whatever the discussion is. Promotion and relegation does not make skill levels clearer it just means you’re playing against some players who got into the league on the coattails of a successful promotion after being hired at a NPL like level. The level of the aleague is what makes the quality more variable and harder to judge.
I lasted about fifteen seconds with that absurd AI voiceover before clocking out of it
People keep talking about the A-League as if it was important.
Because they just aren't good enough to play in any top tier European football...🤷♂️