This type of thing is exactly why HR exists. Document everything and ask to meet with HR confidentially to discuss “an urgent and highly sensitive situation.”
If none of the conversations about the loan by email or otherwise recorded, write down as much detail as you can about the conversation(s) - day, time, where they took place, if there was anyone else present, what was said, etc.
You should also document anything you believe might be retaliatory. So there are emails etc. showing actions you believe were inappropriate hanging on to those, and write down notes of any/all conversations and issues as they happen.
Ideally you would have them asking for a loan and the retaliating in writing already, but next best is your own contemporaneous notes.
Good luck!
Yep report it. It is not your job to manage this crap and it is impacting work. Report to HR and let them handle it. Moving to new team ok but manager needs to be reported for HR and company to manage.
Report this to HR immediately. Do you have the request in writing? What types of retaliation have you faced? Any documentation you have should be screen-shotted and submitted to HR as well.
The retraction will not matter in this case. It’s like trying to unsay words that have already come out… he made the request, it’s there. Now the retaliation you’re starting to feel is the bigger problem. You are absolutely not in the wrong here in any way.
Great that you have it in writing. I'm confused about the retraction; Who attempted to retract what statement? Who doesn't want to make you uncomfortable? Your manager who asked for the money?
Sorry, typo. They sent 4 texts messages. First: asking for the money, second: mentioning it’s a tall ask, third: saying no pressure, fourth: saying actually never mind
So... First: they screwed up, second: they realized they may have acted in poor judgement, third: they begin to realize how dumb it was, fourth: they realize they're probably going to get fired.
Screenshot. Report. Document everything you do.
No, it absolutely was them because when they got the money from elsewhere, they followed up to tell me, like I cared.then we all kept hearing about what they used the money for in casual team meetings.
It's a total abuse of their position to ask you even for $5 to cover a sandwich. As a manager, you have to recognise that the hierarchy/power imbalance means line reports aren't always in a position to easily refuse requests, even when they are wildly out of line.
I would guess that they knew your anxiety would make it hard for you to say no and less likely to report it and deliberately targeted you. I normally wouldn't say victims must report something, but here I'm not sure. I maybe think you have a responsibility to report it, firstly because he could (has?) done this to other staff and secondly, because this is a big liability for the organisation. This is skating close to stealing from the company - he's crossed the line of misusing his employment to solve his personal problems. This is Reddit, so I'll wildly speculate he's on drugs, he's gambling or he's fallen for a scam. All of those are very bad news for you and the business if this is his response.
You're now officially between a rock and a hard place.
Reporting it could go either way. In either case I'd say your manager would definitely be pissed at you. They could be difficult or impossible to continue working for.
So then it comes down to whether they face any substantive repercussions for their loan-request. Unless they have lots of other strikes against them, it's more likely they'll get a slap on the wrist and maybe some retraining. Leaving you in a vulnerable position.
If you really want to report it (and I agree you probably SHOULD), can you transfer out from under that manager first? Given the awkward and risky situation, they'd probably support such a move. Once you're out, you can do what you feel is 'right'.
Still not without risk, but better.
Good luck OP
Understood. One thing I meant to mention, it seems like even doing nothing has some risks... you mentioned mild retaliation?
Document, document, document. Times, dates, specifics, witnesses. Even the minor stuff. Copy anything relevant to a personal device.
And if you've got good past performance reviews from this manager, copy them too. It'll make it obvious that future poor ratings or being punished for anything would likely be linked to the loan-request.
If everything turns to shit, you'll at least be prepared.
I think the other risk, which is more remote, but still a risk, is that this guy pressured another member of staff into it and in future may do it again or even steal from the organisation. OP could be in trouble for not reporting it. I feel it's a bit of a grey area but a manager hitting employees up for money feels like it goes a bit beyond interpersonal issues and is more of an organisational liability type issue. I'm not wedded to this argument so I'm happy to be talked around, but I do feel there's just a bit more risk here.
I agree with you on this one, you've hit the nail on the head. On balance, I personally would report. But if I was living paycheck to paycheck, I'd have to reeeeally think about it.
If HR does an investigation, they will maintain confidentiality as much as possible, but it is not promised. Information is released on an “as needed” basis. Depending upon the nature of the complaint, HR typically does let the accused employee know who made the complaint.
There probably isn’t a way to confidentially confront someone regarding a specific sum of money. I think I’ll need to transfer before reporting. I also want to quit, but why should I leave… this sucks
One of HR’s first moves should be to separate you (for your protection) from your manager, since you two work closely together. I wouldn’t worry too much as it is probably safe to assume your manager will be fired and you will not have to see them around after that.
No one can tell you how this will go unfortunately. I will say from experience, Reddit stories are really outliers (probably because many range from embellished to pure fabrication), and most bullies/bad behavers tend to back off once they realise HR is involved. The most likely thing your manager will do is be very cautious around you. That said, post-investigation your relationship with your manager will be tanked. I would argue it's already tanked though. So I think your thoughts should be focussed on what a good outcome for you would be. It's not fair and this is entirely your shitty manager's fault, so by all means have a pity party to mourn the loss of your current situation but then get focussed on you.
If it were me (and I really mean if it were me) I think I'd ask for a transfer and file a grievance. Possibly together, possibly consecutively. The advantage with doing it together is you're more likely to get a transfer, you won't look like the grievance is a result of not getting the transfer, and you won't blindside your new manager with this. The disadvantage is it could be a lot of drama. The advantage of doing it consecutively is you can secure the transfer and then take stock before doing anything else.
Lastly, as a veteran of wishy washy HRs and dysfunctional organisations (god bless academia), I think there are two things to remember. One be very calm and be very clear about what you are saying - keep it very simple and on message. The less room you give them to argue with what you're saying and the less sign you show that you're under stress and might just back down if they keep dithering or acting irrationally, the more likely they are just to crack on with it. Second, if a wishy washy HR doesn't take action against a manager who asks an employee for $20k, they're unlikely to take action against you. Brazen it out.
I don't think there's \*anyone\* I would loan that kind of cash to, but 100% for sure not a boss. Insane that boss asked. This is a massive overreach and certainly a breach of ethics. Report to HR and confirm with them that the company's policy prohibiting retaliation will apply in this case. If they aren't clear that it will, get your resume ready to go.
Okay, now I get it. Not all companies will have a policy on internal transfers, depends on the size and the industry. You could ask HR to see if you were interested in a transfer, what would it look like. Also, I agree that you keep the texts, any previous reviews and a log of the incidents where you think he may be retaliating against you. If it is mild or seems like it is stopping, you would be in luck. If it escalates, you should report immediately. It’s not a comfortable place that you are in, especially not knowing what will happen if you report. I would hope that if you did, it would be taken seriously and that any retaliation as a result of the report is promptly dealt with. TBH, that is the safest route for the company because you are in this position through no fault of your own. I wish you luck, stay strong and document!
What's the mild retaliation? May determine how it should be reported.
In general, it was inappropriate to do, but based on the texts, it sounds like they immediately retracted the ask. If they never mentioned it again, I personally would find it hard to report to HR. Instead, I'd probably take the softer approach of letting them know there are probably external resources (banks, short-term but not payday lenders, etc.).
With that being said, it depends on the work you're doing because as others have pointed out, if this person is so desperate for cash, they could steal it from the company if given the chance. So, do they have a chance? If the answer is maybe or yes, I'd still report it.
The request in an of itself crosses a LOT of boundaries, and some are likely clauses in your employee handbook. I know you don’t want a case and I actually really sympathize with that. I’m also someone that does NOT want to make waves at work, never. But especially because you’re already experiencing retaliation that WILL escalate, you have to involve HR. A) the company does NOT want a member of their leadership staff representing the company in this way. B) this is abuse of power and will damage your work environment beyond this incident. C) since that is your direct report, they could substantially impact your growth and success in your job. You do NOT want to give somebody with questionable ethics to have that power over you. Your only option in this situation (besides finding a new job) is to meet with HR and give full disclosure on WHY you want a transfer and why you want to keep it under wraps. It’s at their discretion whether they honor your wishes but I assure you one of two things will happen and I just say this to prepare you. They will either grant your wishes and move your role and your direct report even though YOURE not the problem. Or they will terminate your manager and it will (hopefully) be business as usual for you. Act quick, these things tend to unfold rather quickly.
Large companies frequently have internal job posting processes intended to allow employees the ability to transfer and pursue career growth. It’s considered normal to transfer after a certain period of time in a position usually 1-2 years. Smaller and newer companies may be evolving HR policies. Either way, your HR can explain the job posting and job transfer policies. If your company has a job posting process, this is one way to move to a different manager without needing to justify the request.
Just apply for the transfer and chalk it up to wanting new experiences. No drama.
Whether to report or not is your call. I agree that it was an inappropriate request and very suspicious. But did it actually break any rules? What would HR actually be able to do in this situation if no official rule was broken?
Rules tend to be created after a problem occurs. Has this occurred in your company before and been a problem? Is there a dollar limit where it is ok? Certainly, borrowing $10 for lunch is ok. But what is the limit? Where do you set it? What if a boss is buying a car from a co-worker and the co-worker is holding the note? Should it only be direct reports? Should it include co-workers and not just direct reports? CN supervisors loan money to direct reports?
Point is, making a rule can cause more problems than not creating rules. My workplace has so many rules that nothing is able to get done without 10 different approvals. It is beyond frustrating.
And then you get to the point where the rules contradict themselves. It becomes a viscous cycle. Just when you think there can't be any more rules, they invent new ones. One of my favorites? What is the penalty for not completing mandatory computer training that is only accessible on the local network? They take away your computer access so you can't do the training. So, you don't have to work. But the rules don't allow the person to be written up for poor performance because it was the company's action. That is working at well.
As the saying goes, "Just when you think you have made something idiot proof, they invent a better idiot."
If the company likes the boss, nothing will happen. If they don't like the boss, they will use this as a piece of evidence to get rid of them. You stated in a comment that your organization is more of a slap on the wrist type place. So, most likely, that is all that is going to happen.
Was this someone trying to ask you how to set up a loan from their 401k? Or they just want to do straight-up borrow money from the company and pay it back, as a cash advance or advance on their paycheck? Because the first one happens, but the second one, I mean my goodness, unless this person gets $20,000 paychecks, I don't know if that's even ethical or possible. I've never seen this one before.
I don't know what profession you're in, but if this is a department where the manager has access to finances, the company will for sure want to know - anyone who needs that amount of cash so bad that they would forego good judgment and ask a subordinate for it puts the company at risk, especially if internal controls aren't tight. You have a duty to report this not only for the ethical breach but also to protect the company.
I’m just curious how or why your manager would ask to borrow that much cash? What makes your manager, who presumably knows your salary and knows theirs, would think you would have that cash if they don’t? How close are you two? Would you say your friends outside of work?
Beyond that, it’s ok to go to HR and express this came up, you said no, and nothing has happened yet, but you wanted to report it in case this comes up. Generally if trying to move to another dept HR and any potential new manager would speak with or communicate with your current manager before making that hire. The idea being you’re in good standing where you are before they’ll consider a move. But knowing this they would take any disparaging remarks in the context of you said no to a request.
But truly, I don’t have friends asking me for that much money, are we millionaires at this company?!
No it’s not the point, I was really just asking like if or how they would think you had that money, meaning how close are you two - as in is this a friendly ask or an I’m your boss ask. Either way, I would bring it up to HR, as a note and something you want recorded as a note, in the ever something else comes up.
You need to report that to HR. Your manager’s request is 57 shades of wrong. On top of that, retaliation violates federal labor laws. The full explanation of why reporting is the best practice can be a long one because of all the if/then type statements but suffice it to say that if you don’t it increases the likelihood that you’ll be viewed suspiciously if you were able to make a secretive job move like you’ve mentioned and that can cause more problems for you than the job move fixes. Go to HR.
Then loan it to him.....if you told him you had it or not he knows you have it and can loan it to him.... I learned thus long ago not with money but tools wrench here,hammer there next thin I know my neighbor moved away and I'm missing half my tool box.
You need to report this ASAP. A manager asking to borrow that kind of money is about to steal it.
Hard agree. You NEED to bring this up.
You need to report this to HR promptly. This is absolutely inappropriate and a potential massive red flag.
This type of thing is exactly why HR exists. Document everything and ask to meet with HR confidentially to discuss “an urgent and highly sensitive situation.”
How do you document this kind of thing?
If none of the conversations about the loan by email or otherwise recorded, write down as much detail as you can about the conversation(s) - day, time, where they took place, if there was anyone else present, what was said, etc. You should also document anything you believe might be retaliatory. So there are emails etc. showing actions you believe were inappropriate hanging on to those, and write down notes of any/all conversations and issues as they happen. Ideally you would have them asking for a loan and the retaliating in writing already, but next best is your own contemporaneous notes. Good luck!
Yep report it. It is not your job to manage this crap and it is impacting work. Report to HR and let them handle it. Moving to new team ok but manager needs to be reported for HR and company to manage.
Report this to HR immediately. Do you have the request in writing? What types of retaliation have you faced? Any documentation you have should be screen-shotted and submitted to HR as well.
Yes, I have it in writing, but they have attempting to retract the statement because they don’t want to make me “uncomfortable” lol 😖
The retraction will not matter in this case. It’s like trying to unsay words that have already come out… he made the request, it’s there. Now the retaliation you’re starting to feel is the bigger problem. You are absolutely not in the wrong here in any way.
Great that you have it in writing. I'm confused about the retraction; Who attempted to retract what statement? Who doesn't want to make you uncomfortable? Your manager who asked for the money?
Sorry, typo. They sent 4 texts messages. First: asking for the money, second: mentioning it’s a tall ask, third: saying no pressure, fourth: saying actually never mind
So... First: they screwed up, second: they realized they may have acted in poor judgement, third: they begin to realize how dumb it was, fourth: they realize they're probably going to get fired. Screenshot. Report. Document everything you do.
any chance this could be "the boss scam" and somebody posing as your manager behind the text messages?
No, it absolutely was them because when they got the money from elsewhere, they followed up to tell me, like I cared.then we all kept hearing about what they used the money for in casual team meetings.
I'm so curious on what they used the money for. Did someone else at work give them the money?
I’m really curious what the other source was and why the manager didn’t ask them first?
It's a total abuse of their position to ask you even for $5 to cover a sandwich. As a manager, you have to recognise that the hierarchy/power imbalance means line reports aren't always in a position to easily refuse requests, even when they are wildly out of line. I would guess that they knew your anxiety would make it hard for you to say no and less likely to report it and deliberately targeted you. I normally wouldn't say victims must report something, but here I'm not sure. I maybe think you have a responsibility to report it, firstly because he could (has?) done this to other staff and secondly, because this is a big liability for the organisation. This is skating close to stealing from the company - he's crossed the line of misusing his employment to solve his personal problems. This is Reddit, so I'll wildly speculate he's on drugs, he's gambling or he's fallen for a scam. All of those are very bad news for you and the business if this is his response.
What will happen to me?
You're now officially between a rock and a hard place. Reporting it could go either way. In either case I'd say your manager would definitely be pissed at you. They could be difficult or impossible to continue working for. So then it comes down to whether they face any substantive repercussions for their loan-request. Unless they have lots of other strikes against them, it's more likely they'll get a slap on the wrist and maybe some retraining. Leaving you in a vulnerable position. If you really want to report it (and I agree you probably SHOULD), can you transfer out from under that manager first? Given the awkward and risky situation, they'd probably support such a move. Once you're out, you can do what you feel is 'right'. Still not without risk, but better. Good luck OP
My company is a slap on the wrist type.
Understood. One thing I meant to mention, it seems like even doing nothing has some risks... you mentioned mild retaliation? Document, document, document. Times, dates, specifics, witnesses. Even the minor stuff. Copy anything relevant to a personal device. And if you've got good past performance reviews from this manager, copy them too. It'll make it obvious that future poor ratings or being punished for anything would likely be linked to the loan-request. If everything turns to shit, you'll at least be prepared.
I think the other risk, which is more remote, but still a risk, is that this guy pressured another member of staff into it and in future may do it again or even steal from the organisation. OP could be in trouble for not reporting it. I feel it's a bit of a grey area but a manager hitting employees up for money feels like it goes a bit beyond interpersonal issues and is more of an organisational liability type issue. I'm not wedded to this argument so I'm happy to be talked around, but I do feel there's just a bit more risk here.
I agree with you on this one, you've hit the nail on the head. On balance, I personally would report. But if I was living paycheck to paycheck, I'd have to reeeeally think about it.
If HR does an investigation, they will maintain confidentiality as much as possible, but it is not promised. Information is released on an “as needed” basis. Depending upon the nature of the complaint, HR typically does let the accused employee know who made the complaint.
There probably isn’t a way to confidentially confront someone regarding a specific sum of money. I think I’ll need to transfer before reporting. I also want to quit, but why should I leave… this sucks
One of HR’s first moves should be to separate you (for your protection) from your manager, since you two work closely together. I wouldn’t worry too much as it is probably safe to assume your manager will be fired and you will not have to see them around after that.
Wouldn’t that be a dream!
No one can tell you how this will go unfortunately. I will say from experience, Reddit stories are really outliers (probably because many range from embellished to pure fabrication), and most bullies/bad behavers tend to back off once they realise HR is involved. The most likely thing your manager will do is be very cautious around you. That said, post-investigation your relationship with your manager will be tanked. I would argue it's already tanked though. So I think your thoughts should be focussed on what a good outcome for you would be. It's not fair and this is entirely your shitty manager's fault, so by all means have a pity party to mourn the loss of your current situation but then get focussed on you. If it were me (and I really mean if it were me) I think I'd ask for a transfer and file a grievance. Possibly together, possibly consecutively. The advantage with doing it together is you're more likely to get a transfer, you won't look like the grievance is a result of not getting the transfer, and you won't blindside your new manager with this. The disadvantage is it could be a lot of drama. The advantage of doing it consecutively is you can secure the transfer and then take stock before doing anything else. Lastly, as a veteran of wishy washy HRs and dysfunctional organisations (god bless academia), I think there are two things to remember. One be very calm and be very clear about what you are saying - keep it very simple and on message. The less room you give them to argue with what you're saying and the less sign you show that you're under stress and might just back down if they keep dithering or acting irrationally, the more likely they are just to crack on with it. Second, if a wishy washy HR doesn't take action against a manager who asks an employee for $20k, they're unlikely to take action against you. Brazen it out.
I couldn't imagine asking somebody at work if I could borrow 20k lol. That's insane to think anybody would say yes.
I don't think there's \*anyone\* I would loan that kind of cash to, but 100% for sure not a boss. Insane that boss asked. This is a massive overreach and certainly a breach of ethics. Report to HR and confirm with them that the company's policy prohibiting retaliation will apply in this case. If they aren't clear that it will, get your resume ready to go.
You said an internal transfer? Did he ask you to personally loan it to him or for you to transfer from a work account you have access to?
I meant a policy for me to do an internal transfer to escape this manager. The ask was for a personal loan.
Okay, now I get it. Not all companies will have a policy on internal transfers, depends on the size and the industry. You could ask HR to see if you were interested in a transfer, what would it look like. Also, I agree that you keep the texts, any previous reviews and a log of the incidents where you think he may be retaliating against you. If it is mild or seems like it is stopping, you would be in luck. If it escalates, you should report immediately. It’s not a comfortable place that you are in, especially not knowing what will happen if you report. I would hope that if you did, it would be taken seriously and that any retaliation as a result of the report is promptly dealt with. TBH, that is the safest route for the company because you are in this position through no fault of your own. I wish you luck, stay strong and document!
I’d approach HR and ask to be transferred and use the loan request as the reason why you want it.
What's the mild retaliation? May determine how it should be reported. In general, it was inappropriate to do, but based on the texts, it sounds like they immediately retracted the ask. If they never mentioned it again, I personally would find it hard to report to HR. Instead, I'd probably take the softer approach of letting them know there are probably external resources (banks, short-term but not payday lenders, etc.). With that being said, it depends on the work you're doing because as others have pointed out, if this person is so desperate for cash, they could steal it from the company if given the chance. So, do they have a chance? If the answer is maybe or yes, I'd still report it.
The request in an of itself crosses a LOT of boundaries, and some are likely clauses in your employee handbook. I know you don’t want a case and I actually really sympathize with that. I’m also someone that does NOT want to make waves at work, never. But especially because you’re already experiencing retaliation that WILL escalate, you have to involve HR. A) the company does NOT want a member of their leadership staff representing the company in this way. B) this is abuse of power and will damage your work environment beyond this incident. C) since that is your direct report, they could substantially impact your growth and success in your job. You do NOT want to give somebody with questionable ethics to have that power over you. Your only option in this situation (besides finding a new job) is to meet with HR and give full disclosure on WHY you want a transfer and why you want to keep it under wraps. It’s at their discretion whether they honor your wishes but I assure you one of two things will happen and I just say this to prepare you. They will either grant your wishes and move your role and your direct report even though YOURE not the problem. Or they will terminate your manager and it will (hopefully) be business as usual for you. Act quick, these things tend to unfold rather quickly.
Large companies frequently have internal job posting processes intended to allow employees the ability to transfer and pursue career growth. It’s considered normal to transfer after a certain period of time in a position usually 1-2 years. Smaller and newer companies may be evolving HR policies. Either way, your HR can explain the job posting and job transfer policies. If your company has a job posting process, this is one way to move to a different manager without needing to justify the request.
Just apply for the transfer and chalk it up to wanting new experiences. No drama. Whether to report or not is your call. I agree that it was an inappropriate request and very suspicious. But did it actually break any rules? What would HR actually be able to do in this situation if no official rule was broken?
Why isn’t there a rule about asking your direct report for money?
Rules tend to be created after a problem occurs. Has this occurred in your company before and been a problem? Is there a dollar limit where it is ok? Certainly, borrowing $10 for lunch is ok. But what is the limit? Where do you set it? What if a boss is buying a car from a co-worker and the co-worker is holding the note? Should it only be direct reports? Should it include co-workers and not just direct reports? CN supervisors loan money to direct reports? Point is, making a rule can cause more problems than not creating rules. My workplace has so many rules that nothing is able to get done without 10 different approvals. It is beyond frustrating. And then you get to the point where the rules contradict themselves. It becomes a viscous cycle. Just when you think there can't be any more rules, they invent new ones. One of my favorites? What is the penalty for not completing mandatory computer training that is only accessible on the local network? They take away your computer access so you can't do the training. So, you don't have to work. But the rules don't allow the person to be written up for poor performance because it was the company's action. That is working at well. As the saying goes, "Just when you think you have made something idiot proof, they invent a better idiot." If the company likes the boss, nothing will happen. If they don't like the boss, they will use this as a piece of evidence to get rid of them. You stated in a comment that your organization is more of a slap on the wrist type place. So, most likely, that is all that is going to happen.
Was this someone trying to ask you how to set up a loan from their 401k? Or they just want to do straight-up borrow money from the company and pay it back, as a cash advance or advance on their paycheck? Because the first one happens, but the second one, I mean my goodness, unless this person gets $20,000 paychecks, I don't know if that's even ethical or possible. I've never seen this one before.
I don't know what profession you're in, but if this is a department where the manager has access to finances, the company will for sure want to know - anyone who needs that amount of cash so bad that they would forego good judgment and ask a subordinate for it puts the company at risk, especially if internal controls aren't tight. You have a duty to report this not only for the ethical breach but also to protect the company.
I’m just curious how or why your manager would ask to borrow that much cash? What makes your manager, who presumably knows your salary and knows theirs, would think you would have that cash if they don’t? How close are you two? Would you say your friends outside of work? Beyond that, it’s ok to go to HR and express this came up, you said no, and nothing has happened yet, but you wanted to report it in case this comes up. Generally if trying to move to another dept HR and any potential new manager would speak with or communicate with your current manager before making that hire. The idea being you’re in good standing where you are before they’ll consider a move. But knowing this they would take any disparaging remarks in the context of you said no to a request. But truly, I don’t have friends asking me for that much money, are we millionaires at this company?!
I have the money, but that’s not the point. I’m pretty frugal and my team knows I plan to retire early.
No it’s not the point, I was really just asking like if or how they would think you had that money, meaning how close are you two - as in is this a friendly ask or an I’m your boss ask. Either way, I would bring it up to HR, as a note and something you want recorded as a note, in the ever something else comes up.
You need to report that to HR. Your manager’s request is 57 shades of wrong. On top of that, retaliation violates federal labor laws. The full explanation of why reporting is the best practice can be a long one because of all the if/then type statements but suffice it to say that if you don’t it increases the likelihood that you’ll be viewed suspiciously if you were able to make a secretive job move like you’ve mentioned and that can cause more problems for you than the job move fixes. Go to HR.
You should have reported this to HR before you came to Reddit. This is grossly inappropriate at work
I’m not reporting anything without understanding the consequences for me.
What consequences would you face if your manager asked you for that much money? If they retaliate in any way lawyer up. Good luck!
Anyone asking for$20k like that is probably up to no good.
Is this real? could it have been a phishing scam via email?
No, it was via text.
What country are you from? Sounds like some third world BS.
Be prepared to find an HR lawyer.
And if the retaliation continues after reporting to HR and ultimately leading you getting fired or something….$$$$ you got a million dollar lawsuit
Ok this person is your manager right ? Then they kinda know how much money you make .....so why would they think you have 20k to loan them?
Because I do lol
Then loan it to him.....if you told him you had it or not he knows you have it and can loan it to him.... I learned thus long ago not with money but tools wrench here,hammer there next thin I know my neighbor moved away and I'm missing half my tool box.
Absolutely not!
We are professionals, not homies. I don’t need this kind of pressure at work