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Bonfire beat starts
*Haters wanna say that I’m childish gambino*
*They afraid I’m gonna turn into manbino*
Thank you. I’ll be here all day writing weak bars.
See also: “Don’t believe me, go google Bill Cosby Rapist. You’ll get more hits than when you google Hannibal Burress.”
Like, legit funny as hell line, because it was the absolute truth.
The definition of “laughing but very serious”!
And not one lie told! There is such a narrow-mindedness, as if Blackness is only rap and R&B and sometimes pop or just “Black” movies.
Where is the range, BET?!?!
I’m white but I just lurk here for memes and perspective. I’m like gollum, I only surface to catch small animals so you just see a flash of white skin before I disappear back underground
Every other sub is run by and moderated by mostly White ppl. It was an attempt to have diversity in control and moderation… and some are suggesting it is failing at that. I disagree that it is, but i understand.
Yeah I was gonna send one because it's nice knowing I'm speaking to someone who can relate and not just a White kid pretending to be black online....
But it felt kinda weird.
because it is fuckin weird. I was just randomly thinking about this shit 2 days ago. I dont know who the mods of this sub are now, but i know back a couple years ago when this started the mod who asked me to send a pic to prove i was black was white. I even called him out on it, like dude you dont think its weird that you a white person, gatekeeping and asking me a black person to prove im a real black person. He swore there were other black mods, but then why you asking me? After that i only rarely comment in here cuz the whole sub seems like a weird ass catfish.
literally though, spaces like this basically exist as a window into another culture for a lot of folks. Its led to this weird situation where people can know all these small facets of another culture while never actually engaging with it.
Like, to a lot of people act like “invited to the cookout” strictly exists as a meme phrase they learned online, completely removed from the actual real life context
yeah it’s always been a meat grinder processing black culture into popular culture then forgetting where it came from but the internet has made that whole process so so so much faster
terms that have eluded the white consciousness for decades are digested in weeks or even days. lol the word woke is the perfect example.
Black people have been using woke to describe people for like 50 years at this point, but the very moment white twitter and fox news caught ahold of it, it was beyond dead and they don’t even use it right now
bruh. Pimp C was saying "simp" almost 24 years ago. I was listening to "Sippin' on Some Syrup", heard that line I've heard a million times, and it blew my mind lol
I really don’t agree when yall say that. There’s just a lot of White and other folks that visit and give their opinions on things. I think the majority of posters and moderators are Black which was the main point.
Hey this sub shows up on my feed a lot and often has funny content. It also is much less populated by neckbeard chud weirdos so it’s nice to read the discussions.
Let's be serious for a minute. BET has been like that for decades. Sometimes at work I'll walking the breakroom and BET is on. Almost everytime I come in there it's ~~Winston Jerome~~ Tyler Perry TV show on. My brother has like 6 shows in BET. It's like the lowest common denominator television. "Tyler is popular, let's get as many of his shows on there as we can!" is he the only black producer out there?
BET has always been its own genre essentially and Tyler ticks all of boxes for their core demo (and he makes shows for the price of a catered lunch of happy meals).
There have been so many excellent recent black shows -Atlanta, South Side, Black Lady Sketch Show, I'm a Virgo, Dear White People...that all could have had a home on BET if they were interested in investing in any types of black stories outside of the lines they paint.
I’ve done a little bit of reading on Tyler perry because I was fascinated by how he got so god damn rich making madea movies, it’s basically a story of vertical integration and kick backs, along with smart real estate investment and undercutting Hollywood on production costs.
It depends on where you grow up. Many times black folk conflate hood(street) culture with black culture. undereducated black folk that have only seen the hood all their lives will of course not understand a suburban black kid that carries on literal African American traditions like hoppin johns on new years, Kwanzaa, jumping the broom, educated on black history.
People don't seem to understand that BET is run by white people and is designed to sell America an image of what "blackness" is. It's designed to divide y'all, stupids.
It's almost like black isn't a fucking personality trait lmfao.
Reminds me of the episode of The Boys where Vought TV has its version of BET, Vought Soul, which is run by white guys, and they decide to switch the product placement in a movie from a bottle of Scotch in the original to a bottle of peach cognac for the Soul version.
Its exactly like that.
I wish I could remember the year(s) they were circulating the McDonald's commercials with black folks and R&B music. Switch to any other TV station and you'll see diverse McDonald's commercials instead.
> It's almost like black isn't a fucking personality trait lmfao
Man say. Any suburban black kid in the 00s was getting it. Going to school hearing "Bryson is blacker than you" when that mf could catch a sunburn in during a thunderstorm all cuz Bryson been smoking weed since he was 13 and your mom would whoop your ass if you got a C on a math test
simplified caricatures that confirm stereotypes will always generate the most $$$/clout/engagement
whether we like it or not, lots of people refuse to recognize or appreciate any group they can't treat as a monolith
exhibits 1 - ∞: reddit
BET is Viacom's hip-hop channel, just like MTV was its rock and pop channel. It's not like BET is some PBS style NAACP run organization about black excellence.
I have said for like a decade DonG lover is one of if not the most talented person in Hollywood. An accomplished writer, actor, comedian, rapper. What more do you want?
Just watched American Fiction with Jeffrey Wright and a large part of the movie is driven by that idea: that to be successful while black, you have to release stuff that’s “Black”. Kinda spooky seeing this video right after.
Lenny Kravitz complained about this last year
https://www.stereogum.com/2244340/lenny-kravitz-on-his-overlooked-influence-to-this-day-i-have-not-been-invited-to-a-bet-thing-or-a-source-awards-thing/news/
Honestly, even if you don’t like his music Atlanta was black af and good af. It could’ve won for TV. But all they have is “best actor/tress” and “best movie”
Not only are people dumb in their early-mid 20s... but what is acceptable humor in regards to punching down and stereotypes tends to ebb and flow. the 90s put a big emphasis on political correctness and the aughts saw a lot of counter culture push against that and it often manifested in absurd or surreal humor. Like, if shit was absurd enough, it was "okay" because clearly the joke wasn't serious.
With the emboldening of racists with various far right nationalist movements around the world, humor trends have tightened back up. If you're going to make jokes about stereotypes they have to be smart, well done, and not punch down. Being absurd doesn't grant a pass in the current environment.
His very early work is something he doesn't like to talk about. I remember watching him almost 20 years ago when he was doing skits and sketches for derrickcomedy on YouTube.
The stuff they were doing 17-18 years ago absolutely would not fly today.
Hoo boy. That Derrick Comedy spelling bee sketch intertwining two of the worst slurs of all time is funny in a vacuum, but boy did it mean that dual power slur started to be used semi-seriously and in cruel ways at my school and in Xbox Live.
That and Bro R*** were the first two that came to mind. It's hilarious when you're an *edgy* teenager, but it's pretty disgusting today.
Edit: The opening scene of the Bro video is pretty bad, and if it wasn't in the video, the rest of the skit would be funny but still controversial. I say this as someone who has gone through SA.
The spelling bee isn't really funny to me and never really was. I was mainly referencing the other video.
Almost all those sketches are definitely “of a time.” But so much of comedy is. See Eddie Murphy *Raw,* for instance. Top tier in its day, but quite a bit wouldn’t fly today.
“Girls are not to be trusted” is still hilarious to me today. “That can’t be your room, it doesn’t smell like *Todd fuck*” was a ridiculous line that just worked. Plus, Radiohead.
These are the same people that give him shit for not having a black wife as well. What is he supposed to do. Leave his wife and get married to a black woman so it can please you in some weird way.
It’s super clownish. I feel like our people love to put up weird barriers and hurdles that are supposed to be tests for how black are you if you don’t fit the norm.
They’ve been giving Donald shit for years for being different.
blood percentage and territory is my guess. I know in Canada a lot of people talk about being 1/4 native or 1/10th native etc. There's also a lot about if you live on or off reserve.
And makes the biracial child experience a mess. Because family are all yee yee when they see you, but deep down you know there’s members from either side that cast your high-yellow existence as an abomination.
Don't worry: there's plenty of family members that will let you know you have failed at life by not having as light a complexion as your cousin so and so. Extra points given if you are _also_ biracial but didn't come out light or exotic _enough_ when obviously that is your number one job. The family that simultaneously make fun of you for not having "good hair" or whatever and are also seething with jealousy that a 3 month old has those traits and they or their kids don't are Olympic level obstacles and you need to train up for that.
The mental gymnastics people have with biracial people kills me. It’s as if genetics aren’t hella complicated; especially when you mix various ethnicities.
For those like myself who are just under the Mario Van Peebles Line of Black-Passing Skin Tone, hearing stuff like “are you sure you’re from
the same family?” just irks me.
Like I need a copy of 23&Me results with me or have pictures of my clearly black dad or my Uncle Phil looking maternal grandpa to give people confirmation. I didn’t get to customize my looks like the Sims. I’m just trying to live.
yea, this is nothing new lol. even parents in these families are weird about you dating outside of whatever race you are sometimes. this has been happening, it's just more obvious now with social media
I’ll never forget in high school I was talking to this girl and she called me out for “talking white” and couldn’t understand why that shit was annoying, until I told her she talked hood.
It also reminded me of that episode of Fresh Prince when Carlton had to check that one dude in college.
"We running the same race, so why are you tripping me up? If you ask me, you're the real sell out." Carlton was a real one. I still connect with this today a decade and a half after watching it haha.
i regret this and dont encourage this story but a brother in school told me i "talk white" so i just beat the shit out of him on the spot and asked whose "a nigga now?" I got suspended and then when i came back i never got any shit like that. Because your "blackness" doesnt come into question IRL unless someone thinks they can treat you like Carlton Banks and beat you up. As soon as they get threatened suddenly its not a question. i dont condone violence and im not saying this what u do to counter that. But understand that it has many connotations when another black person says it to you. I HATE that shit so much that blackness is measured by how much of a BET stereotype you are instead of ya know.....my actual skin color. As a grown man I know how to hit them where it hurts with words. "You live by a white mans view of what a nigga sposed to do. Youd sit at the back of the bus if they told you to" its by far superior to explain why being a stereotype is a weakness than it is to physically harm another brother.
I remember being told I was “too white” to contribute to a conversation with other black women at work about hair products. Like okay, yeah I like N Sync and watched Felicity but the hair growing out of my head didn’t change from 4a to 2a because of it.
Gonna be real for a sec: I’ve seen the same thing on this same sub from mods themselves. It was another reminder for me that not every black space, online included, aren’t a safe space.
Yep.
My own personal experience is that I went through the verification process, as dumb as it was, been in this sub for years, only to be told to “reapply in 6 months.”
I’ve been active on Reddit for over seven years. I’m not jumping through more hoops. I’m a grown ass adult and I really have no further desire to continue to go through some unlisted and arbitrary criteria in order to prove that I’m either “black enough” or “the right type of black” to be a part of their club.
If there is more to it than just being black, they need to just list it. Without that, they are doing the same exact thing that we know that non-minorities have done to minorities for years, which is constantly moving the goalposts, as well as setting expectations and not telling you the clear expectations.
100% agree. It's frustrating that what it means to be "black" is primarily defined by the hood lifestyle. Like bitch we don't all need to be the same. The culture is so negative and keeps people down.
I’m familiar with the parts of Metro Atl he’s from. Black kids who didn’t conform to a narrow band of Blackness often got ostracized. Glover probably been dealing with it for years.
Anecdotally, I recall my African immigrant homies getting asked whether they lived in huts and hunted lions. People got called white for speaking “proper” and it was lame to read and do homework.
After a while that shit can break a person who doesn’t have support. I’ve especially seen Black young boys do a 180 by middle school and crash tf out due to ignorant ass peer pressure.
> People got called white for speaking “proper” and it was lame to read and do homework.
I grew up till middle school as one of the only two white kids in my grade. The other one was a girl named Grace, and we also ended up being grouped together with the one mixed race girl in the grade named Angela.
The kids who actually did homework and cared about grades and stuff were made to hang out with the Three White Kids of Shame temporarily, it would be shit like "you got an A, go over there with the smart kids."
Kids are mean as hell.
He’s been saying things like this about race and his place in the culture his entire career too
“Only black kid at a Sufjian concert” still sticks out in my mind from the infamous Pitchfork 1.6 review from when the reviewer criticized that line ignoring what he was really trying to say
Too black for the white kids, but too white for the black kids. A lot of us can relate
>Too black for the white kids, but too white for the black kids. A lot of us can relate
I used to struggle with this but now it's a point of pride. I stay to true to myself.
Sometimes I still struggle with it
It's like being punished not only for being yourself, but in some cases, for finding success. Take the kid who grows up in an inner city and gets a scholarship to go to a good, but whiter school outside of the city, for example. Growing up and going to that school is gonna have impacts on how you grow up and develop. If you grow and change in a way that is deemed not black enough, now you're not accepted by your own culture because... *checks notes* your parents wanted you to have a better life?
"Blackness" if it's confined to a "I act hood" sense ends up becoming so performative that it can feel like a competition to be something that you're not, and you're rejected if you're not doing that.
I’m the same. My own mum even told me the other day ‘I’m more black than I was when I came back from university’
Like what does that even mean?
I hate being pigeon holed.
The problem is with a lot of black folk (and a lot of whites too) is that they are black before they are anything else. They make their whole personality about being black.
I am me before I am a black man. My thoughts are my thoughts, not black thoughts. My opinions are mine, they’re not black opinions. My actions are my actions, not black actions.
Bring black is secondary to who I am as a person.
People who put their blackness first project that onto everything they see. These are the folk that loudest when a black man dates outside his race. These are the folk that scream racism where there’s none to be found.
They even don’t realize they parrot the same language white supremacists use.
‘Keep black families black.’ ‘Stay out of black peoples business’ etc. if white folk said these things there would be outrage.
And so when it comes to black folk like us we are met with fear and hostility because we dare to not conform. All part of their projection.
Sufjan Stevens, the author of Illinoise? Didn't know DG was a fun of theirs. They're both so good at their crafts I'm not surprised, would be really sweet to hear Sufjan is also a fan of his.
Haha yeah I was equally surprised when I learned that detail
Listen to Firefly off Camp by DG, his 2011 album under Childish Gambino, my jaw dropped hearing that line in real time where he references him
This is hilarious. It's like when the cast of Sunny was at the Emmys and was wondering if they do the show every year because they've never been nominated. It's funny because it's true.
I love seeing any of them in literally anything else at any time. Been one of my favorite shows for over half my life now.
I've loved Donald since he was Troy on Community. That's been another one of my favorite shows for a long time. It's been such a delight to watch his career and artistry grow since then. Seriously, what a fuckin artist. Looking back, his character in Community is a great metaphor for who he grew into being, from my perspective at least. A black man trying to be who he thinks he needs to be in order to be accepted by his community while trying to learn who he is as he tries not to lose the parts of himself he loves the most. Fuckin love the guy
That mans is not joking lol and he’s completely correct.
There is this arbitrary curation of blackness and it’s frustrating. If we don’t make *specific* music and act in *specific* movies, if we don’t move and act in a certain way, if we like something isn’t considered the norm, we’re oddly ostracized by a good number of folks in the community. Ain’t nothing compared to dealing with racism, but come on. Shout out to the ones who embrace us.
Atlanta alone should’ve gotten them to create a new category in the awards just to award it to him.
does anyone else remember all that weird shit when it was light skins vs dark skins? what the fuck was that all about? is that still going on. got my own people liking or disliking based on how light I am. oh and some mix race ain't really black? I've heard that to. I've been told I don't really need to celebrate black history month because I'm half white. our own people weird asl
or what about the classic "you talk/sound/act white" like what the hell does that mean?
And they they'll talk shit about mixed kids going fascist like Doja Cat. Like, y'all be working overtime to push them away from Black culture, WTF do y'all expect?!
> we’re oddly ostracized by a good number of folks in the community.
Not even just the community. Everyone.
I love the Beach Boys. Pet Sounds and Smile specifically, musical perfection, Brian Wilson wanted to prove he alone was as good as both Lennon and McCartney combined.
I wanted to see them live, but I knew I wouldn't want to pay. They were at Good Morning America for a promotional reunion concert. Only black people there were me and my friend. It's like "oh you shouldn't be here."
Oh. Okay.
That happens to all minority groups. I am not Asian enough to be Asian and not white enough to be white. I'm originally from Russia so the amount of domestic racism was through the roof my entire childhood and teenage years. And since none of the groups "want" me, I am left with no cultural identity of my own. It was eye opening when I met a girl just like me and she expressed these thoughts when I could never put them into words myself but always felt
edit: oh it's r/BlackPeopleTwitter , fun fact, one of the favorite slurs Russian people use for Asian people is "black ass" or "black-asser"
Yeah Derrick Comedy. Bro r*pe, spelling bee, pooped his pants, toooons of great skits. I remember when we first started rapping I thought "the dude from Derrick Comedy??"
Turns out he's incredibly fucking talented at just about everything
Yes! They even made a movie called Mystery Team that Donald also composed the score to. Best part is a lot of it was from using the same sound pack he produced Freaks & Geeks with and you can hear the similarities.
He’s done everything. YouTube, wrote for 30 Rock, was a stand up comedian, did Community, made Camp, the free EP, and Awaken my Love, and created Atlanta. AND he can dance. Most talented individual of all time. He could be top of the food chain at rapping, singing, comedy, writing, or acting, but there’s only so much time in a day
that's the thing with comedians. a lot of the shit they point out that we laugh at, is pretty serious. this prompted me to do some digging and yeah, this dude has 5 grammy award wins compared to will smith's 2. he is also tied with sam smith at 1 bet award. but then it gets better. he has 2 golden globes and 2 emmy awards. he has 5 writers guild awards, 3 of which he got for 30 rock, long before community. this dude's career is filled with nominations and wins. and only 1 bet award. people are laughing but he asks a serious question, how much more entertaining does he have to do?
The guffaw I just GUFFAWED after googling "Sam Smith BET," thinking it was a typo. Nope. Dude actually has a BET Award. Yes, THAT Sam Smith. Rachel Dolezal has done more for the community than Sam Smith. Donald is absolutely right, this shit is ridiculous lmfao
I'm just tired of people acting like different sub cultures within the African American community don't exist. like damn some of us grew up in the burbs some of us like nerdy shit. I would be fake to pretend to relate to some hood shit so someone like Donald Glover perfectly appeals to me 🤷🏾♂️
Reminds me of when I first met my black cousins for the first time. I was legit surprised they were into stuff like anime and Gundam. Like I thought to myself "Damn, we really missed out on each other growing up. Shit, if we lived near each other, I would've been at their house all the time watching Dragon Ball Z with them."
The sad truth is that BET is mostly run by non-black executives that have decided that until last weekend he wasn’t even black enough to be at the awards.
But hey, black people will crucify you if they don’t think you’re black enough but give you an award if Hollywood tries to cancel you just to prove a point to non-black people.
BET has never celebrated or rewarded the spectrum of black entertainment. It has always catered to a narrow view of blackness and done little to actually elevate black creators who explore their artistry.
I agree here. For example, BET always highlights rappers, R&B singers, and even Gospel singers. But what about the black country singers, black rock bands, etc. From what I've heard,they did feature a country singer this year. But they have existed for years, and it shouldn't have taken Beyonce for them to finally be highlighted.
Gambino is just too talented, dude resume is crazy. Comedian, Rapper/Singer, Song Writer, Movie/show writer, Director/Producer of movies and shows. He is the embodiment of an entertainer but since he not the right type of black....
I know it's been a while since I've watched the BET Awards but how the hell did Sam Smith get one? Their music doesn't exactly scream "I'm for the culture"
I didn’t know he rocked with us like that…you know, after what he said about black women and that he liked to be called the n-word in bed. I’m alt and I don’t accept this man
This sub is not even predominantly black anymore. You can tell by the comment sections. Black people don’t always have to agree, but there is something ✨off✨ about the comments
The “culture” was just elated that Kendrick went to go sing and dance for Amazon while calling out people’s blackness. This will fall on deaf ears as people see what they want to see and nothing else.
For perspective: he’s got 5 Grammys and 4 of them are for the same song, which he also won a BET award for. So maybe he’s just not as deserving as he think he is 🤷🏾♀️
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He was so dead serious lol
Maturing Gambino…
They grow up so fast. Before we knew it, he was a Manbino.
Grampino phase gonna be even better
¡Ay dios mío, Abuelito Gambino!
If he one day becomes a Great Grampino, well…that’s a magicians name, I feel like he’ll have to become a magician
He’s so talented, he’d probably see this comment and decide to do it and get a Vegas residency and prime time special
“This is America” *clapping* “And *THIS* is your card!” *crowd goes wild*
I think he can pull it off. I'll be getting tickets.
I’m dead
If they don't give him BET Awards he's just gonna go on Fool Us and snatch some trophies from Penn and Teller.
Manbino and Grampino are killing me.
Bonfire beat starts *Haters wanna say that I’m childish gambino* *They afraid I’m gonna turn into manbino* Thank you. I’ll be here all day writing weak bars.
This comment is gold lmfao have my poor man award 🏆
That would be just Gambo then. When he's an old man he'll be Extra Mature Gambone.
This is called “kidding on the square” in the Midwest
Does that mean “just kidding but not really”? Like you say it in a joking cadence but what you said was genuine?
"on the square" is pretty much a variant of "on the level", both of which mean straight facts from point A to point B.
Exactly this. Truth said in a joking way to soften the delivery.
Thank you! I've used that phrase a bunch since I saw it and rarely does anyone know what it means!
I first came across that phrase in Al Franken's book, *Lies and the Lying Liars Who Tell Them* and have been using it ever since.
He's been rapping about not being black enough since his EP.
I mean bros given gems.
I would find it frustrating, as well
Nah he meant all that shit lmfao.
This wasn’t a joke lmaooo
For my money the best comedy is always the truth told with a punchline, or a joke presented as a true story. He meant it and it was meant to be funny.
It’s a “it’s funny bc it’s true” situation
See also: “Don’t believe me, go google Bill Cosby Rapist. You’ll get more hits than when you google Hannibal Burress.” Like, legit funny as hell line, because it was the absolute truth.
I loved his reaction to the world's reaction "Every headline was UNKNOWN HOMELESS NOBODY TAKES SHOT AT BILL COSBY"
George Carlin was goat for that
That's why Chris Rock was always so successful. His jokes were always on point when he made them.
That's what makes it so funny....bc it's true
The definition of “laughing but very serious”! And not one lie told! There is such a narrow-mindedness, as if Blackness is only rap and R&B and sometimes pop or just “Black” movies. Where is the range, BET?!?!
BET is mostly run by white network executives and is probably getting sold soon
Like this subreddit 😭
Yeah we're all white on here
I better go tell everybody at my black job then.
Well butter my toast, I never!
Didn't you know? Everyone is white now
I’m white but I just lurk here for memes and perspective. I’m like gollum, I only surface to catch small animals so you just see a flash of white skin before I disappear back underground
The audacity to ask anyone to submit pictures of how black they are is still insane to me.
Every other sub is run by and moderated by mostly White ppl. It was an attempt to have diversity in control and moderation… and some are suggesting it is failing at that. I disagree that it is, but i understand.
Yeah I was gonna send one because it's nice knowing I'm speaking to someone who can relate and not just a White kid pretending to be black online.... But it felt kinda weird.
because it is fuckin weird. I was just randomly thinking about this shit 2 days ago. I dont know who the mods of this sub are now, but i know back a couple years ago when this started the mod who asked me to send a pic to prove i was black was white. I even called him out on it, like dude you dont think its weird that you a white person, gatekeeping and asking me a black person to prove im a real black person. He swore there were other black mods, but then why you asking me? After that i only rarely comment in here cuz the whole sub seems like a weird ass catfish.
I submitted my pic a while back and still didn't get no checkmark.
lmaoooo you’re onto something
literally though, spaces like this basically exist as a window into another culture for a lot of folks. Its led to this weird situation where people can know all these small facets of another culture while never actually engaging with it. Like, to a lot of people act like “invited to the cookout” strictly exists as a meme phrase they learned online, completely removed from the actual real life context
yeah it’s always been a meat grinder processing black culture into popular culture then forgetting where it came from but the internet has made that whole process so so so much faster terms that have eluded the white consciousness for decades are digested in weeks or even days. lol the word woke is the perfect example. Black people have been using woke to describe people for like 50 years at this point, but the very moment white twitter and fox news caught ahold of it, it was beyond dead and they don’t even use it right now
bruh. Pimp C was saying "simp" almost 24 years ago. I was listening to "Sippin' on Some Syrup", heard that line I've heard a million times, and it blew my mind lol
I really don’t agree when yall say that. There’s just a lot of White and other folks that visit and give their opinions on things. I think the majority of posters and moderators are Black which was the main point.
Hey this sub shows up on my feed a lot and often has funny content. It also is much less populated by neckbeard chud weirdos so it’s nice to read the discussions.
The Onion headline from 2012: “Sale Of BET To White Supremacist Group Results In No Changes To Programming”
Let's be serious for a minute. BET has been like that for decades. Sometimes at work I'll walking the breakroom and BET is on. Almost everytime I come in there it's ~~Winston Jerome~~ Tyler Perry TV show on. My brother has like 6 shows in BET. It's like the lowest common denominator television. "Tyler is popular, let's get as many of his shows on there as we can!" is he the only black producer out there?
BET has always been its own genre essentially and Tyler ticks all of boxes for their core demo (and he makes shows for the price of a catered lunch of happy meals). There have been so many excellent recent black shows -Atlanta, South Side, Black Lady Sketch Show, I'm a Virgo, Dear White People...that all could have had a home on BET if they were interested in investing in any types of black stories outside of the lines they paint.
Top Boy. Never gets the credit that it deserves.
Top Boy 100%! Don't even get me started on how many great Black / Black-lead shows there are in the UK scattered all over various streamers.
I’ve done a little bit of reading on Tyler perry because I was fascinated by how he got so god damn rich making madea movies, it’s basically a story of vertical integration and kick backs, along with smart real estate investment and undercutting Hollywood on production costs.
Boondocks lol
You hear these same opinions on the street lol. It ain't just BET pushing it.
It depends on where you grow up. Many times black folk conflate hood(street) culture with black culture. undereducated black folk that have only seen the hood all their lives will of course not understand a suburban black kid that carries on literal African American traditions like hoppin johns on new years, Kwanzaa, jumping the broom, educated on black history.
People don't seem to understand that BET is run by white people and is designed to sell America an image of what "blackness" is. It's designed to divide y'all, stupids. It's almost like black isn't a fucking personality trait lmfao.
Reminds me of the episode of The Boys where Vought TV has its version of BET, Vought Soul, which is run by white guys, and they decide to switch the product placement in a movie from a bottle of Scotch in the original to a bottle of peach cognac for the Soul version.
When I saw that shit I almost spit out my peach cognac.
I almost spit out my Hennessy, thanks Unc
Its exactly like that. I wish I could remember the year(s) they were circulating the McDonald's commercials with black folks and R&B music. Switch to any other TV station and you'll see diverse McDonald's commercials instead.
You know Amazon wanted to actually use AI inserted product placement on The Boys and the show runners refused but promised to make a joke about it.
Last week's episode, you mean?
> It's almost like black isn't a fucking personality trait lmfao Man say. Any suburban black kid in the 00s was getting it. Going to school hearing "Bryson is blacker than you" when that mf could catch a sunburn in during a thunderstorm all cuz Bryson been smoking weed since he was 13 and your mom would whoop your ass if you got a C on a math test
Woah. Huey Freeman was right!
simplified caricatures that confirm stereotypes will always generate the most $$$/clout/engagement whether we like it or not, lots of people refuse to recognize or appreciate any group they can't treat as a monolith exhibits 1 - ∞: reddit
BET is Viacom's hip-hop channel, just like MTV was its rock and pop channel. It's not like BET is some PBS style NAACP run organization about black excellence.
It 100% purports itself to be though, and that's what many people view it as.
I have said for like a decade DonG lover is one of if not the most talented person in Hollywood. An accomplished writer, actor, comedian, rapper. What more do you want?
A mouth-based video game?
Just watched American Fiction with Jeffrey Wright and a large part of the movie is driven by that idea: that to be successful while black, you have to release stuff that’s “Black”. Kinda spooky seeing this video right after.
When you realize black folks are always saying it all of the time, it's less spooky.
Lenny Kravitz complained about this last year https://www.stereogum.com/2244340/lenny-kravitz-on-his-overlooked-influence-to-this-day-i-have-not-been-invited-to-a-bet-thing-or-a-source-awards-thing/news/
It’s kinda like people want to stay in their lane but we are so much more.
Honestly, even if you don’t like his music Atlanta was black af and good af. It could’ve won for TV. But all they have is “best actor/tress” and “best movie”
He made a good point honestly, I’d be pissed about it too. Also, he came along way from pretending to be a Asian woman on Tumblr
Why did he do this
Because young people make bad choices sometimes, and those choices live on the internet forever now.
Dude was like 30-something, wtf are you talking about lol
naw, the tumblr thing was in like 07. he was still too old for it but no more than 25
Not only are people dumb in their early-mid 20s... but what is acceptable humor in regards to punching down and stereotypes tends to ebb and flow. the 90s put a big emphasis on political correctness and the aughts saw a lot of counter culture push against that and it often manifested in absurd or surreal humor. Like, if shit was absurd enough, it was "okay" because clearly the joke wasn't serious. With the emboldening of racists with various far right nationalist movements around the world, humor trends have tightened back up. If you're going to make jokes about stereotypes they have to be smart, well done, and not punch down. Being absurd doesn't grant a pass in the current environment.
Who said it’s bad
His very early work is something he doesn't like to talk about. I remember watching him almost 20 years ago when he was doing skits and sketches for derrickcomedy on YouTube. The stuff they were doing 17-18 years ago absolutely would not fly today.
Hoo boy. That Derrick Comedy spelling bee sketch intertwining two of the worst slurs of all time is funny in a vacuum, but boy did it mean that dual power slur started to be used semi-seriously and in cruel ways at my school and in Xbox Live.
That and Bro R*** were the first two that came to mind. It's hilarious when you're an *edgy* teenager, but it's pretty disgusting today. Edit: The opening scene of the Bro video is pretty bad, and if it wasn't in the video, the rest of the skit would be funny but still controversial. I say this as someone who has gone through SA. The spelling bee isn't really funny to me and never really was. I was mainly referencing the other video.
Almost all those sketches are definitely “of a time.” But so much of comedy is. See Eddie Murphy *Raw,* for instance. Top tier in its day, but quite a bit wouldn’t fly today. “Girls are not to be trusted” is still hilarious to me today. “That can’t be your room, it doesn’t smell like *Todd fuck*” was a ridiculous line that just worked. Plus, Radiohead.
I thought we were just gonna play Gamecube...
Six pack natty ice, Nintendo GameCube…big black dildo.
Nah those skits are hilarious.
Yeah that still gets a chuckle out of me
Comedy ain’t meant for y’all if you view Derrick comedy as “disgusting” forms of humor lol
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That’s the one 😅 It was a dangerous sketch to have middle and high schoolers get a hold of back then.
donald glover has never been the same since he got that new bike as a child
Hey my name is Brian. I like to skate board. Maybe we can be friends. I’d never do anything to ruin our friendship like poop my pants.
Lmao! I've always found that skit hilarious. Every time I think of Donald Glove I say to myself "He likes to skateboard" and do the hand movement
"Where's the bike!"
“You get control of the wrist, and pull out your gun.”
did you spray these dildos with axe body spray?
Like a can and a half...
"So Chad is not even real? You guys just played me like a sap.. for the big scoop."
I havent seen most of it, but the, "My name is Brian and I like to skateboard" sketch holds up imo
These are the same people that give him shit for not having a black wife as well. What is he supposed to do. Leave his wife and get married to a black woman so it can please you in some weird way. It’s super clownish. I feel like our people love to put up weird barriers and hurdles that are supposed to be tests for how black are you if you don’t fit the norm. They’ve been giving Donald shit for years for being different.
Mexicans gatekeep other mexicans Asians gatekeep other asians Its always your own people before others get the ok to pile on some bullshit
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God damn this is accurate lmfao
indigenous gatekeeping?? care to elaborate?? I've never seen two words that are more enticing
blood percentage and territory is my guess. I know in Canada a lot of people talk about being 1/4 native or 1/10th native etc. There's also a lot about if you live on or off reserve.
And makes the biracial child experience a mess. Because family are all yee yee when they see you, but deep down you know there’s members from either side that cast your high-yellow existence as an abomination.
Don't worry: there's plenty of family members that will let you know you have failed at life by not having as light a complexion as your cousin so and so. Extra points given if you are _also_ biracial but didn't come out light or exotic _enough_ when obviously that is your number one job. The family that simultaneously make fun of you for not having "good hair" or whatever and are also seething with jealousy that a 3 month old has those traits and they or their kids don't are Olympic level obstacles and you need to train up for that.
The mental gymnastics people have with biracial people kills me. It’s as if genetics aren’t hella complicated; especially when you mix various ethnicities. For those like myself who are just under the Mario Van Peebles Line of Black-Passing Skin Tone, hearing stuff like “are you sure you’re from the same family?” just irks me. Like I need a copy of 23&Me results with me or have pictures of my clearly black dad or my Uncle Phil looking maternal grandpa to give people confirmation. I didn’t get to customize my looks like the Sims. I’m just trying to live.
yea, this is nothing new lol. even parents in these families are weird about you dating outside of whatever race you are sometimes. this has been happening, it's just more obvious now with social media
I’ll never forget in high school I was talking to this girl and she called me out for “talking white” and couldn’t understand why that shit was annoying, until I told her she talked hood. It also reminded me of that episode of Fresh Prince when Carlton had to check that one dude in college.
"We running the same race, so why are you tripping me up? If you ask me, you're the real sell out." Carlton was a real one. I still connect with this today a decade and a half after watching it haha.
I do the Carlton dance every chance I get, to lay some dap on the man.
If yore not singing Tom Jones while dancing it ain't real. I want to hear some ITS NOT UNUSUAL...🤣
i regret this and dont encourage this story but a brother in school told me i "talk white" so i just beat the shit out of him on the spot and asked whose "a nigga now?" I got suspended and then when i came back i never got any shit like that. Because your "blackness" doesnt come into question IRL unless someone thinks they can treat you like Carlton Banks and beat you up. As soon as they get threatened suddenly its not a question. i dont condone violence and im not saying this what u do to counter that. But understand that it has many connotations when another black person says it to you. I HATE that shit so much that blackness is measured by how much of a BET stereotype you are instead of ya know.....my actual skin color. As a grown man I know how to hit them where it hurts with words. "You live by a white mans view of what a nigga sposed to do. Youd sit at the back of the bus if they told you to" its by far superior to explain why being a stereotype is a weakness than it is to physically harm another brother.
I remember being told I was “too white” to contribute to a conversation with other black women at work about hair products. Like okay, yeah I like N Sync and watched Felicity but the hair growing out of my head didn’t change from 4a to 2a because of it.
And how that episode ended, with Uncle Phil asking “when are we gonna stop doing this to each other?”
Gonna be real for a sec: I’ve seen the same thing on this same sub from mods themselves. It was another reminder for me that not every black space, online included, aren’t a safe space.
Yep. My own personal experience is that I went through the verification process, as dumb as it was, been in this sub for years, only to be told to “reapply in 6 months.” I’ve been active on Reddit for over seven years. I’m not jumping through more hoops. I’m a grown ass adult and I really have no further desire to continue to go through some unlisted and arbitrary criteria in order to prove that I’m either “black enough” or “the right type of black” to be a part of their club. If there is more to it than just being black, they need to just list it. Without that, they are doing the same exact thing that we know that non-minorities have done to minorities for years, which is constantly moving the goalposts, as well as setting expectations and not telling you the clear expectations.
The whole "take a picture of your forearm to verify your skin tone" is asinine to me.
100% agree. It's frustrating that what it means to be "black" is primarily defined by the hood lifestyle. Like bitch we don't all need to be the same. The culture is so negative and keeps people down.
fuck all changed in the 30 years since that scene from Fresh Prince with Carlton being a sellout
like *pleeease*, some of us grew up in sheltered small towns. i didn’t learn half the words for marijuana until i was 20. leave us alone 😭
I’m familiar with the parts of Metro Atl he’s from. Black kids who didn’t conform to a narrow band of Blackness often got ostracized. Glover probably been dealing with it for years. Anecdotally, I recall my African immigrant homies getting asked whether they lived in huts and hunted lions. People got called white for speaking “proper” and it was lame to read and do homework. After a while that shit can break a person who doesn’t have support. I’ve especially seen Black young boys do a 180 by middle school and crash tf out due to ignorant ass peer pressure.
yep i know suburban dudes that let white ppl telling them they arent black lead them directly to a prison cell for armed robbery. no exaggeration
> People got called white for speaking “proper” and it was lame to read and do homework. I grew up till middle school as one of the only two white kids in my grade. The other one was a girl named Grace, and we also ended up being grouped together with the one mixed race girl in the grade named Angela. The kids who actually did homework and cared about grades and stuff were made to hang out with the Three White Kids of Shame temporarily, it would be shit like "you got an A, go over there with the smart kids." Kids are mean as hell.
He’s been saying things like this about race and his place in the culture his entire career too “Only black kid at a Sufjian concert” still sticks out in my mind from the infamous Pitchfork 1.6 review from when the reviewer criticized that line ignoring what he was really trying to say Too black for the white kids, but too white for the black kids. A lot of us can relate
>Too black for the white kids, but too white for the black kids. A lot of us can relate I used to struggle with this but now it's a point of pride. I stay to true to myself.
Sometimes I still struggle with it It's like being punished not only for being yourself, but in some cases, for finding success. Take the kid who grows up in an inner city and gets a scholarship to go to a good, but whiter school outside of the city, for example. Growing up and going to that school is gonna have impacts on how you grow up and develop. If you grow and change in a way that is deemed not black enough, now you're not accepted by your own culture because... *checks notes* your parents wanted you to have a better life? "Blackness" if it's confined to a "I act hood" sense ends up becoming so performative that it can feel like a competition to be something that you're not, and you're rejected if you're not doing that.
Hell I struggled with this in my own family. The Carlton jokes, not knowing how to play spades, etc.,etc.
I’m the same. My own mum even told me the other day ‘I’m more black than I was when I came back from university’ Like what does that even mean? I hate being pigeon holed. The problem is with a lot of black folk (and a lot of whites too) is that they are black before they are anything else. They make their whole personality about being black. I am me before I am a black man. My thoughts are my thoughts, not black thoughts. My opinions are mine, they’re not black opinions. My actions are my actions, not black actions. Bring black is secondary to who I am as a person. People who put their blackness first project that onto everything they see. These are the folk that loudest when a black man dates outside his race. These are the folk that scream racism where there’s none to be found. They even don’t realize they parrot the same language white supremacists use. ‘Keep black families black.’ ‘Stay out of black peoples business’ etc. if white folk said these things there would be outrage. And so when it comes to black folk like us we are met with fear and hostility because we dare to not conform. All part of their projection.
Sufjan Stevens, the author of Illinoise? Didn't know DG was a fun of theirs. They're both so good at their crafts I'm not surprised, would be really sweet to hear Sufjan is also a fan of his.
Haha yeah I was equally surprised when I learned that detail Listen to Firefly off Camp by DG, his 2011 album under Childish Gambino, my jaw dropped hearing that line in real time where he references him
Troy and Abed at the BET awards!
This is hilarious. It's like when the cast of Sunny was at the Emmys and was wondering if they do the show every year because they've never been nominated. It's funny because it's true.
Glenn Howerton is truly one of the most tragically severely underappreciated actors of our time and I'll drop that into any conversation. Obviously
To the point that it’s a treat to see him in anything outside Always Sunny. Honestly, same with Glover. Always good to see him in some random thing.
I love seeing any of them in literally anything else at any time. Been one of my favorite shows for over half my life now. I've loved Donald since he was Troy on Community. That's been another one of my favorite shows for a long time. It's been such a delight to watch his career and artistry grow since then. Seriously, what a fuckin artist. Looking back, his character in Community is a great metaphor for who he grew into being, from my perspective at least. A black man trying to be who he thinks he needs to be in order to be accepted by his community while trying to learn who he is as he tries not to lose the parts of himself he loves the most. Fuckin love the guy
He’s a golden god!
Savages!
That mans is not joking lol and he’s completely correct. There is this arbitrary curation of blackness and it’s frustrating. If we don’t make *specific* music and act in *specific* movies, if we don’t move and act in a certain way, if we like something isn’t considered the norm, we’re oddly ostracized by a good number of folks in the community. Ain’t nothing compared to dealing with racism, but come on. Shout out to the ones who embrace us. Atlanta alone should’ve gotten them to create a new category in the awards just to award it to him.
does anyone else remember all that weird shit when it was light skins vs dark skins? what the fuck was that all about? is that still going on. got my own people liking or disliking based on how light I am. oh and some mix race ain't really black? I've heard that to. I've been told I don't really need to celebrate black history month because I'm half white. our own people weird asl or what about the classic "you talk/sound/act white" like what the hell does that mean?
And they they'll talk shit about mixed kids going fascist like Doja Cat. Like, y'all be working overtime to push them away from Black culture, WTF do y'all expect?!
> we’re oddly ostracized by a good number of folks in the community. Not even just the community. Everyone. I love the Beach Boys. Pet Sounds and Smile specifically, musical perfection, Brian Wilson wanted to prove he alone was as good as both Lennon and McCartney combined. I wanted to see them live, but I knew I wouldn't want to pay. They were at Good Morning America for a promotional reunion concert. Only black people there were me and my friend. It's like "oh you shouldn't be here." Oh. Okay.
That happens to all minority groups. I am not Asian enough to be Asian and not white enough to be white. I'm originally from Russia so the amount of domestic racism was through the roof my entire childhood and teenage years. And since none of the groups "want" me, I am left with no cultural identity of my own. It was eye opening when I met a girl just like me and she expressed these thoughts when I could never put them into words myself but always felt edit: oh it's r/BlackPeopleTwitter , fun fact, one of the favorite slurs Russian people use for Asian people is "black ass" or "black-asser"
Ha, who thought he was “joking”?
He's not joking so much as pointing out something that's a total joke. He's just presenting a serious thought in a funny way
Almost nothing is a joke when a speech given at industry award ceremonies has a goal to inform the audience.
Most talented man in the entertainment biz right now. The amount of entertainment that comes out of his noggin can fill at tv channel.
Didn't he have his start on YouTube btw? Doing skits on there? Or was it just reuploads from TV?
Yeah Derrick Comedy. Bro r*pe, spelling bee, pooped his pants, toooons of great skits. I remember when we first started rapping I thought "the dude from Derrick Comedy??" Turns out he's incredibly fucking talented at just about everything
Yes! They even made a movie called Mystery Team that Donald also composed the score to. Best part is a lot of it was from using the same sound pack he produced Freaks & Geeks with and you can hear the similarities.
The most insane part of that movie is that Aubrey plaza is in it, before parks and rec too. It was her feature film debut.
He’s done everything. YouTube, wrote for 30 Rock, was a stand up comedian, did Community, made Camp, the free EP, and Awaken my Love, and created Atlanta. AND he can dance. Most talented individual of all time. He could be top of the food chain at rapping, singing, comedy, writing, or acting, but there’s only so much time in a day
that's the thing with comedians. a lot of the shit they point out that we laugh at, is pretty serious. this prompted me to do some digging and yeah, this dude has 5 grammy award wins compared to will smith's 2. he is also tied with sam smith at 1 bet award. but then it gets better. he has 2 golden globes and 2 emmy awards. he has 5 writers guild awards, 3 of which he got for 30 rock, long before community. this dude's career is filled with nominations and wins. and only 1 bet award. people are laughing but he asks a serious question, how much more entertaining does he have to do?
The guffaw I just GUFFAWED after googling "Sam Smith BET," thinking it was a typo. Nope. Dude actually has a BET Award. Yes, THAT Sam Smith. Rachel Dolezal has done more for the community than Sam Smith. Donald is absolutely right, this shit is ridiculous lmfao
I just assumed he had zero because there was no way Sam Smith have one. Guess I was wrong.
Fascinating, I had no idea, thanks for digging all that up. Really proves the point here
I'm just tired of people acting like different sub cultures within the African American community don't exist. like damn some of us grew up in the burbs some of us like nerdy shit. I would be fake to pretend to relate to some hood shit so someone like Donald Glover perfectly appeals to me 🤷🏾♂️
Reminds me of when I first met my black cousins for the first time. I was legit surprised they were into stuff like anime and Gundam. Like I thought to myself "Damn, we really missed out on each other growing up. Shit, if we lived near each other, I would've been at their house all the time watching Dragon Ball Z with them."
The sad truth is that BET is mostly run by non-black executives that have decided that until last weekend he wasn’t even black enough to be at the awards. But hey, black people will crucify you if they don’t think you’re black enough but give you an award if Hollywood tries to cancel you just to prove a point to non-black people.
Here are the executives of BET: https://www.paramountpressexpress.com/bet/executives/
Those are the mascots. I’ve worked numerous shows for BET and I’m speaking from experience.
"YOUR GEOGRAPHIC LOCATION IS NOT ALLOWED".
BET has never celebrated or rewarded the spectrum of black entertainment. It has always catered to a narrow view of blackness and done little to actually elevate black creators who explore their artistry.
I agree here. For example, BET always highlights rappers, R&B singers, and even Gospel singers. But what about the black country singers, black rock bands, etc. From what I've heard,they did feature a country singer this year. But they have existed for years, and it shouldn't have taken Beyonce for them to finally be highlighted.
He's telling the truth but from his execution he telling a joke. Donald is a triple threat he doesn't stutter by accident.
Gambino is just too talented, dude resume is crazy. Comedian, Rapper/Singer, Song Writer, Movie/show writer, Director/Producer of movies and shows. He is the embodiment of an entertainer but since he not the right type of black....
Wayne Brady as well.
The guffaw, I just guffawed. Sometimes there’s nothing funnier than the truth.
Everybody’s face in the crowd they felt that lmao
 He dead serious
You don't have to be black to win a BET award??
Singer, rapper, actor and comedian! RESPECT DUE!!!!
Writer, director and producer, too!
I know it's been a while since I've watched the BET Awards but how the hell did Sam Smith get one? Their music doesn't exactly scream "I'm for the culture"
"There's a kernel of truth in every joke." –Jimbo Jones
This was a whole bag of popcorn
I didn’t know he rocked with us like that…you know, after what he said about black women and that he liked to be called the n-word in bed. I’m alt and I don’t accept this man
And this is why I am side-eyeing the defense of him.
Good for him, he and Tyler are incredible artists and I’m not sure why they get so overlooked by BET
Tyler hasn't gotten one either???
This sub reddit is hilarious 2 weeks ago he not like us Drake. This week you can't gatekeep blackness. Ignorant levels of mental gymnastics.
This sub is not even predominantly black anymore. You can tell by the comment sections. Black people don’t always have to agree, but there is something ✨off✨ about the comments
The “culture” was just elated that Kendrick went to go sing and dance for Amazon while calling out people’s blackness. This will fall on deaf ears as people see what they want to see and nothing else.
For perspective: he’s got 5 Grammys and 4 of them are for the same song, which he also won a BET award for. So maybe he’s just not as deserving as he think he is 🤷🏾♀️
That's interesting and crazy. 4 grammies for one song hit different than 4 Grammy winning songs