When I was in kindergarten we used to have Kriss Kross Applesauce Day, a special day when we were allowed to have our clothes on inside-out and backwards. It was a real hit.
as they build up jumping height readying for the attempt, will realize just how fun trampolines are, change their mind and become professional athletes.
Because it was a sculpture with the added benefit of being able to walk on it. They were more willing to compromise on the "being able to walk on it" part than the "sculpture" part.
And you definitely mean "walk," because it opened without even taking in account the Americans with Disabilities Act.
It's the definition of cocaine-fueled architecture. Some dude snorted himself blind and said "Dude... Stairs," and spent *hundreds of millions of dollars* building something from Escher's elementary school sketchbook.
That sounds like some distopian novel where people are forced to work shitty paying jobs but rather than not being able to survive due to money are forced to survive for as long as possible to keep a large workforce
I was thinking recently Congress should get ahead of the trend and go ahead and ban forced cyber implants and whatnot
Because you know when that shit gets so cheap and accessible, plenty of employers will use it to track their employees even more than they are currently - with the UPS truck cameras, where if you scratch your face it's seen as distracted driving
We aren't there yet - but at least in the US with our fucked labor protections, we are full speed ahead
That's because the republicans don't like the part of suicide prevention where it prevents harm from coming to someone so they decided to go for abortion bans which also results in more workers but has the added effect of causing more harm to people.
It's like the opposite of the Futurama suicide booth gag where you can kill yourself for the low price of 25 cents, except for Bender, who is too cheap to pay full price for suicide. Same root observation about work, and the joke even paid off a second time because the first time we see the booth it says "America's favorite suicide booth since 2008." That was in 1999.
They actually did this, they were charging something like $20. To walk yourself up a bunch of stairs.
I think somebody killed themselves anyway to now its just closed.
I'm not sure if I'll get whooshed, but people who jump off tall buildings as an attempt to end their life don't usually care whether it's allowed or not
I believe there might actually be a law on the books making jumping off a building illegal.
I did a half-assed search, and apparently in new york city there's some local law that jumping off any structure higher than 50 feet is a crime that can be given the death penalty.
That sounds too pulpy to be quite true, and I don't care to look it up further, but it is hilariously silly.
It also prevents base jumping within city limits, so I guess it does have some purpose.
>He was there about to do it and the cops saw and arrested him
It's a shame that he wasn't somehow able to escape the police, if only he had a quick escape route available to him, one where he'd not be followed...
/s ... or is it?
~~Making suicide illegal is a loophole to make it easier for police / first responders to intervene when there's an attempt in progress.~~
No idea why the penalty would be that strict though. Maybe it escalates the level of response that's allowed?
This is a myth, first responders can already intervene if there's an imminent threat of harm.
Suicide isn't actually illegal anywhere in the west anymore. If there's a law against jumping off buildings, it's probably because of the risk of landing on someone.
This thing is perfect for leaping off. People have climbed over taller fences than this. The fact that people came up with this idea, approved it, and nobody thought about jumpers is a testament to bureaucratic stupidity.
I don’t know what it’s like where you at, but most tall buildings in my area have inaccessible or restricted roofs. The accessible roofs have very tall, smooth (sometimes security glass) fences.
It’s not impossible, but they’re not making it easy, either.
Edit: Folks, I think we all understand that if someone wants to jump off a tall object, there are still options.
Maybe they are more strict now, but when I was a teenager you could get onto all kinds of tall roofs by just going up different stairwells until you find maintenance doors/hatches. Most of them were either unlocked or the cheapo locks that you can open with a big screwdriver. Good times!
I went vegas for a work thing 10 ish years ago, i wasn't 21 yet (and broke) so me and my other under 21 coworkers made a sport of sneaking into areas we weren't permitted... Usually via stairwells, and unfortunately usually up stairwells from the ground floor.
Our accomplishments included:
- Bellagio pool area
- penthouse floors of the aria, the luxor (where Kriss Angel had signed his name on the walls in numerous locations), Bellagio, and MGM.
- buncha lounges via the credit card on the strike plate trick.
- Pretty much any buffet we saw.
-the roofs of several buildings i can't recall because the penthouse floors were actually usually more interesting. though admittedly the roofs were fairly difficult compared to others, probably thanks specifically to The Hangover.
> bureaucratic stupidity
Yes, it seems that Related Companies and Thomas Heatherwick and Heatherwick Studio did not think about suicide prevention at all.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/suzannerowankelleher/2021/01/15/how-suicides-at-a-top-nyc-attraction-may-change-what-well-do-for-a-view/?sh=7aeafc904aff
I actually thought it was cool and my kids loved it. The jumpers fucked it up for everyone.
When the Vessel opened, you could walk around and explore it on your own. Visitors could climb the sculpture, challenge their fears of heights, take pictures, enjoy the views and read the various informative plaques tucked around the walkways. It was free to the public (though certain hours required free timed reservations) and tied in to the high line, a hugely successful public work that is actually used by massive numbers of New Yorkers from across the economic and social spectrum.
Now, when it's open at all you need to stay with an escort (not the fun kind) who will tell you what to look at and how to experience the piece. New York, I Love You, but this is just one more way you really are bringing me down.
The designers fucked it up. Even looking at concept art makes it obvious what a suicide magnet it was. Concerns were raised, the builder didn’t give a shit.
Imagine devoting your entire life to design and architecture, working your ass off in school and then for clients. Finally you get an opportunity to build a $200 million project in NYC. You put your heart and soul into designing the most beautiful architecture your mind dreams about, only for people to call it the Suicide Shawarma
Heatherwick studios are very pompous and stuck up starchitects. Not unique to them but theyre on the end of "entry level is unpaid for 5 years" while the principals make millions. Not to mention starchitects have a tendency to both misunderstand and concoct absolutely hesdass solutions to public and social problems and Heatherwick is wildly guilty of that attitude.
Architecture makes itself relevant, it's not entitled to positive opinion because of time and money. The reason people don't like it is because it's ill thought in many ways.
> Imagine devoting your entire life to design and architecture, working your ass off in school and then for clients.
You can say that about anything. Writer who gets torn by critics. Movie director getting meme'd by their magnum opus. Game company getting ripped by redditors.
Comes with the territory.
Even better. Hudson yards was financed in part through EB-5 visas. Where foreigners can buy visas by investing in real estate in distressed urban areas (and rural but not applicable here). These areas need to meet certain criteria like having an unemployment level at or above 150% of the federal level.
Now, how does Hudson yard meet this criteria despite being located in one of the wealthiest areas of Manhattan? Easy, the area needs to meet strict definitions, but what constitutes an area is up to cities and states to decide. So New York linked Hudson Yards to areas of Harlem with public housing projects through some of the most funky gerrymandering you'll ever see. The "distressed area" goes from Hudson Yards, snakes it's way east and then north *through central park*, and up to the most economically weak areas of Harlem. Therefore the city can argue this entire area is economically distressed and qualifies for funding through EB-5 visas.
Money meant to go towards rebuilding communities once again gets siphoned away to the ultra-wealthy.
I was scrolling through the comments specifically to see if someone would link to this video. Ask A Mortician deserves all the support it can get. Great video, covering a difficult topic with respect.
But a few regional HQ offices for Wells Fargo, the NHL, Ernst and Young… a few places with overpriced mediocre to OK food, the Edge, and this monstrosity.
Most expensive real estate development in US history, fun stuff.
The entire West side is glass now. Only bright side is the Hudson River Greenway for biking and running. It is really dope, other than that, yup. It's such a waste and it's so revealing as to what moneybwants to do to NYC, and Manhattan specifically. People still live here beyond luxury towers quit turning every God damn thing into glass monstrosities. Bring back stone Art deco! And more affordable housing. Affordable art deco housing!!
At least those first two serve a purpose.
Also, this isn't really the fault of Hudson yards in particular, but rather a general trend, but when it was a more industrial area, it was a place where businesses could still afford to open up shop and operate out of. Now everything is either residential or commercial, and every industry has been pushed to the outer boroughs or farther. If it were up to me, I'd prefer a neighborhood where small businesses could still operate rather than a massive corporate beehive.
The mall is fine if you like fairly high end stores like you’d find on 5th Avenue. It’s pretty nice if that’s your thing. Personally we just wanted to go to the Shake Shack there, so the kids were quite happy.
It's like Seaport in Boston. Yeah, there's a lot of new buildings and apartments there. But the buildings are mostly empty because the offices are leased by consultancies, which primarily have their workers visiting clients in the field. Those consultants are the ones who can afford the apartments close to the offices, but since they're gone 4 days out of the week, the neighborhood is double dead.
The Javits center is practically on the Hudson. It is, by design, not in the center of anything. It is where it is so that huge crowds and conventions can take place in the least dense part of midtown. Hudson yards is literally where they store the inactive train cars. Because it's so out of the way of the rest of Manhattan.
Lol yeah, I went to said mall. Nothing but LV, Balenciaga, Patek, High end shit that the rest of us poors can't even hope to afford lol.
I guess the suicide shawarma is the nail in the coffin for when the poors decide to commit the suicide ritual since it's so conveniently close to the mall of the Rich 🤑
It's a tragedy the nature and number of suicides that have happened here, but this is a weak take. You could say that about Central Park or any non-housing space in NYC.
They jammed a ton of new housing in a previously undeveloped area and the structure is a fairly modest attempt at bringing some character. I don't even think it was taxpayer-funded, and if it were it wouldn't even crack the top 50 of dumb things NYC taxes go towards
>[Hudson Yards owes its existence to a 2004 initiative to jump-start a new neighborhood on and around the old West Side rail yards, greased by lots and lots of publicly provided cash: $2.3 billion for extending the 7 train to 11th Avenue, $500 million for new pocket parks and roads, and $200 million to buy up air rights from the MTA. Just last month, the city council approved another $500 million to pay for what would be the city's most expensive park per acre, thanks for the need to deck over an Amtrak line that will run underneath it.](https://gothamist.com/news/hudson-yards-has-45-billion-in-taxpayer-money-will-we-ever-see-it-again)
>All told — adding in $281.2 million in city capital expenditures and more than $750 million in special tax breaks handed out for Hudson Yards commercial developers — the city will end up spending at least $4.5 billion in taxpayer money, with developers led by Stephen Ross's Related getting a sweetheart deal on publicly controlled land in order to create a new outpost of Midtown. [Update: That figure has now risen to $5.6 billion, according to newly compiled research.]
But hey there's was supposed to be some affordable housing built in phase 2 of Hudson yards...developers are now lobbying to build a casino there instead.
And on top of all this when paying all that money to extend the 7 they cut from the plan the stop that would have served Hell's Kitchen an area that people already live in without the need for tax breaks and other subsidies.
Even before Covid it didn't make sense for the government to subsidize all the new office buildings since they just attracted businesses that were already in Manhattan:
>Secondly, a new neighborhood can develop, but only by siphoning off economic activity from other parts of your city. This is already starting to be seen in Midtown, where Hudson Yards has been successful at attracting new commercial tenants — but in many cases by luring them away from nearby Times Square.
>Cross acknowledges that Hudson Yards office tenants will likely relocate from elsewhere in Manhattan — Coach, the anchor tenant of the first-completed building at 10 Hudson Yards, actually moved from a since-demolished building in Hudson Yards itself — but notes that "it's a complex dance," as ultimately this could open up older office buildings to get retrofitted as needed housing.
>LeRoy remains skeptical, noting that at best this would be an exceedingly inefficient way to create affordable housing. "Even intellectually honest backers of those programs will admit to you that they don't necessarily create net new economic activity — they simply move it around," he says. "They make it more attractive to do it in one place rather than the other, but they don't create the market for the activity."
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>All of these pitfalls, ultimately, come down to but-for: Is your city putting money into a project that will churn out jobs and tax revenues that otherwise wouldn't exist? Or is it throwing money at something that developers would want to do regardless, but are happy enough to take a few billion in cash for to boost their profits?
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>"What happens is, taxpayers get upset at politicians for granting an overly generous TIF package," he says. "The politicians say, 'But the developers signed the but-for clause, that this wouldn't have happened but for the TIFs.' And because nobody ever gets to see inside the developers' books, we just have to take their word for it. It passes the buck to somebody who doesn't have to say."
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>In the end, there is no smoking gun to this story, no final tally that says exactly how much to the dollar taxpayers have been ripped off by developers in cahoots with city officials. There is only this: In order to support a cluster of crystalline faceted office towers, New York City is delivering about $4.5 billion in tax money; in return, the city is getting a new subway stop (though not one in any of its major transit deserts), a few small parks (most of which so far are limited to some lunchable benches and landscaping), and a new neighborhood of corporate towers and luxury housing.
> But hey there's was supposed to be some affordable housing built in phase 2 of Hudson yards...developers are now lobbying to build a casino there instead.
A floor of "affordable" units in a high-end area like Hudson Yards does nothing. You can't complain about the city's housing situation while advocating for the very same flawed policies that led us here.
>while advocating for the very same flawed policies that led us here.
You read my post and thought I was advocating for more projects like Hudson Yards?
central park is a park, it provides a lot more value without wasting money. the money spent on grounds keeping and similar is going to more important jobs too.
yea this thing is stupid.
been there once. u need tickets, though free
it has to be manned by staff etc etc
like, why?
why build this random dumbass thing for 200 million bucks?
The government of the future everyone they'll keep doing this shit because they know they shouldn't be in the jobs they are in because of some bad shit they done back in the day, guaranteed with a fucking stamp.
My hometown recently "lost" 300,000 and they don't know where it went.
Are you being serious you don't know where 300,000 just fluttered off to there's bad, bad eggs in the basket and they need to thrown out, simple fucking as.
I used to do the night audit at a hotel a few years ago. One of the bartenders was consistently a few dollars off when it came to counting her drawer at the end of the day. She got fired for this because a few dollars went unaccounted for. Yet, governments are allowed to loose hundreds of thousands with absolutely no repercussions. And they wonder why the people have a hard time trusting them.
The government should be held responsible but this isn’t really comparable to a households personal finance. Government finance is much more complicated. You have a lot of hands in the pot and things move around a lot.
It’s like having 1000 credit cards with 100 different people using them and moving money between them. Then at the end of the quarter you add the balance of all of them and say “Why are we $10,000 over budget? Where did that money go?”. Figuring it out requires a lot of back tracing
Even businesses have issues like this. There’s the story of the guy who would just send false bills to Google.
FWIW accounting isn’t easy, there’s a reason there’s multi billion dollar firms dedicated to it.
Sometimes you run over the books from the past 10 years and realize a couple things don’t add up, it’s not always corruption.
Wether or not it's corruption, this is the government in power how can we trust somebody who can't even do the fucking books properly.
If this was the Mafia these people would have been whacked and taken out to the weeds.
The last 40+ has got to be a joke. I might be wrong on the years but if this type of stuff was happening before then somebody needs to speak up.
There is no housing shortage...
You don't have a house or a path to a better one because that makes existing houses less valuable. Saturating the market ie:
Housing Everyone isn't profitable enough.
It's absurd to begin with. With our level of technology and resources decent living accommodations should your right.
It's not even socialism. Building more housing so that people can live in them is key to sustaining a growing population.
Let's take feudalism for example, if the lord wants more serfs, he needs to make sure the serfs have somewhere to sleep, eat, and raise their kids.
The current "housing shortage" is the same problem as the current "labor shortage". Both don't exist. There's plenty of housing and workers available, but the prices are too high and wages too low respectively for anyone to actually do anything.
Ironic that the son of Robert Bork (Reagan's failed Supreme Court nominee) is tweeting about this. His dad and his friends were some of the most influential people in advancing these crises.
The meat for shawarma is prepared like [this](https://www.mamaslebanesekitchen.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/chicken-shawarma-mamaslebanesekitchen1.jpg), and they kinda look alike
With the various levels, one could build their immunity to fall damage over time and work their way up to further heights until terminal velocity is a thing of the past
They even had plans ready for higher, safer barriers. Why not encapsulate the shawarma?!
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I feel like trampolines would encourage more people to jump…
Suicide shawarma will make you jump, jump
Kriss Kross reference?! Ima wear my pants backwards today in honor of this!
When I was in kindergarten we used to have Kriss Kross Applesauce Day, a special day when we were allowed to have our clothes on inside-out and backwards. It was a real hit.
How do your knees feel? Your back hurt? I was also born in the mid 80s lol
I was born in the ‘50’s & my back is killing me!
All them sock hops I imagine
> Suicide shawarma sounds like dysentery to me.
*So we some kind of suicide shawarma now?*
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For some reason my hands are waving in the air. I'm feeling rather apathetic about it.
It's like r/trippingthroughtime meets r/increasinglyverbose
Go aheeead and jump, JUMP!
"For the last time, we did *not* order a giant trampoline!" "Ya know, pal, you coulda told me that *before* I set it up!"
The greatest 2d animated film of the 2000s
On the plus side, the installation of trampolines may force more life insurance policies to pay out. “It wasn’t suicide. He was just *really* stupid”
"When you land, try and land like an eight year-old. These bouncy castles are not designed for adults."
Does landing on an eight year old also work?
as they build up jumping height readying for the attempt, will realize just how fun trampolines are, change their mind and become professional athletes.
Hairy, mustached men in white aprons are stationed at the bottom waiting to catch anyone in their giant safety-pita
Because it was a sculpture with the added benefit of being able to walk on it. They were more willing to compromise on the "being able to walk on it" part than the "sculpture" part.
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So a longer set of stairs?
And you definitely mean "walk," because it opened without even taking in account the Americans with Disabilities Act. It's the definition of cocaine-fueled architecture. Some dude snorted himself blind and said "Dude... Stairs," and spent *hundreds of millions of dollars* building something from Escher's elementary school sketchbook.
To be fair, it looks cool as fuck in person
Make it play “It’s A Small World” on a loop 24/7 to cheer everyone up!
Haha.They would just end it all right there, street level.
you mean like... a regular building?
Just charge a lot so people can’t afford killing themselves there
The rich are going to price us out of suicides now?
That sounds like some distopian novel where people are forced to work shitty paying jobs but rather than not being able to survive due to money are forced to survive for as long as possible to keep a large workforce
1984 —> 2024
Eh currently people aren’t able to afford to live so in a disgusting distopian way we’re thankfully not their yet
I was thinking recently Congress should get ahead of the trend and go ahead and ban forced cyber implants and whatnot Because you know when that shit gets so cheap and accessible, plenty of employers will use it to track their employees even more than they are currently - with the UPS truck cameras, where if you scratch your face it's seen as distracted driving We aren't there yet - but at least in the US with our fucked labor protections, we are full speed ahead
forced cyber implants yes. i do want my cock to have rainbow LED’s like my computer one day if i can
The only forced cyber implant you wil get is a small pill under your skin that tracks your biometrics and location.
they’re gonna have to catch me at every gay bar in town
We already have one in our pocket.
A tiny LED cock?
That's because the republicans don't like the part of suicide prevention where it prevents harm from coming to someone so they decided to go for abortion bans which also results in more workers but has the added effect of causing more harm to people.
You mean [Apple factories in real life](https://www.wsj.com/articles/BL-CJB-9896)?
Bullshit that people were down voting you for that. That's exactly what they were doing there
This is so fucked up instead of actually trying to help people they just put in a fucking net
Jesus fucking christ
Oh shit were you not aware?
I was but forgot
This was a plot in Outer Wolrds. A worker at the factory killed themselves and the family had to cover the lost wages.
If I was stuck in a dystopia I’d rather it be some terminator shit not being kept forcefully alive in some kind of machine like existence
It's like the opposite of the Futurama suicide booth gag where you can kill yourself for the low price of 25 cents, except for Bender, who is too cheap to pay full price for suicide. Same root observation about work, and the joke even paid off a second time because the first time we see the booth it says "America's favorite suicide booth since 2008." That was in 1999.
Reminds me of death day on the future onion https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iKC21wDarBo
Everyone works until they get enough money to die
We live in a boring dystopia.
Just put a string on coin to cheat suicide booth
*You have selected "slow and horrble".*
They actually did this, they were charging something like $20. To walk yourself up a bunch of stairs. I think somebody killed themselves anyway to now its just closed.
Yea, priced it at $20 and said you can’t go up alone. Last suicide was a 14 year-old with his family. Been closed since.
That poor family
This gets resolved at some point before the year 3000. https://futurama.fandom.com/wiki/Suicide_Booth
Technically in the year 2008, so we're behind Futurama so far unless it was the Exit International device.
I think it was already $40
[Suicide Shawarma](https://twitter.com/bobbyborkiii/status/1669344094643195908?s=46&t=XP3DSYt4b1gIqymU8pQhlg)
Why’s it called this? Are people leaping off the edge?
yes. people were. then it got shut down.
I think it’s gotten shut down multiple times at this point. I briefly visited when it reopened and it was shut down a week later…
It hasn't reopened completely though, only the inner circle and the stairs leading up to the doors.
You mean right now? I was talking about when I last went in 2021. They reopened fully then, and allowed people to walk to the top.
A few bad apples have to ruin the suicide spot for everyone.
I'm glad we still have the golden gate bridge.
See that's where the shawarma went wrong, it's gotta be critical infrastructure
So they were allowed to jump before that?
“Allowed” isn’t the term I’d use, but they were doing it.
Just disable fall damage in it, don't be lazy.
Or at least lower the gravity a bit. Instant death from that height is so unfair.
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I mean the graphics are okay if you’re strictly looking for photorealism, but I prefer more stylized, timeless graphics. So all in all 0/10
I'm not sure if I'll get whooshed, but people who jump off tall buildings as an attempt to end their life don't usually care whether it's allowed or not
"Don't jump, you'll get a fine!"
"Do a flip!"
“You didn’t save my life, you ruined my death!”
Choose another method that won't harm that healthy liver. Other people need it, you know!
"Suicide is illegal, buster. Don't even think about it."
*thinks about it* *officer unloads gun* Success
I believe there might actually be a law on the books making jumping off a building illegal. I did a half-assed search, and apparently in new york city there's some local law that jumping off any structure higher than 50 feet is a crime that can be given the death penalty. That sounds too pulpy to be quite true, and I don't care to look it up further, but it is hilariously silly. It also prevents base jumping within city limits, so I guess it does have some purpose.
Shit I survived my suicide attempt. "The court sentences you to the death penalty" Yay.
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Never let a crisis go to waste.
>He was there about to do it and the cops saw and arrested him It's a shame that he wasn't somehow able to escape the police, if only he had a quick escape route available to him, one where he'd not be followed... /s ... or is it?
Truly r/orphancrushingmachine
Double tap
Happy cake day?
TIL base jumping is a capital offense in NYC
~~Making suicide illegal is a loophole to make it easier for police / first responders to intervene when there's an attempt in progress.~~ No idea why the penalty would be that strict though. Maybe it escalates the level of response that's allowed?
This is a myth, first responders can already intervene if there's an imminent threat of harm. Suicide isn't actually illegal anywhere in the west anymore. If there's a law against jumping off buildings, it's probably because of the risk of landing on someone.
Wanna have sex? No Ok, I'll just wait until you land
No but the developer somehow thought people wouldn’t be able to jump from the Stairway to Heaven.
Is this a physics question?
This thing is perfect for leaping off. People have climbed over taller fences than this. The fact that people came up with this idea, approved it, and nobody thought about jumpers is a testament to bureaucratic stupidity.
On the other hand, you can jump off of pretty much any tall building.
I don’t know what it’s like where you at, but most tall buildings in my area have inaccessible or restricted roofs. The accessible roofs have very tall, smooth (sometimes security glass) fences. It’s not impossible, but they’re not making it easy, either. Edit: Folks, I think we all understand that if someone wants to jump off a tall object, there are still options.
Maybe they are more strict now, but when I was a teenager you could get onto all kinds of tall roofs by just going up different stairwells until you find maintenance doors/hatches. Most of them were either unlocked or the cheapo locks that you can open with a big screwdriver. Good times!
Same. People learned from our youthful shenanigans.
I went vegas for a work thing 10 ish years ago, i wasn't 21 yet (and broke) so me and my other under 21 coworkers made a sport of sneaking into areas we weren't permitted... Usually via stairwells, and unfortunately usually up stairwells from the ground floor. Our accomplishments included: - Bellagio pool area - penthouse floors of the aria, the luxor (where Kriss Angel had signed his name on the walls in numerous locations), Bellagio, and MGM. - buncha lounges via the credit card on the strike plate trick. - Pretty much any buffet we saw. -the roofs of several buildings i can't recall because the penthouse floors were actually usually more interesting. though admittedly the roofs were fairly difficult compared to others, probably thanks specifically to The Hangover.
Fun fact. An alternative is helicopter rides but they can decline the ride if they think you will jump. Apparently it is fairly common.
[Bill Burr's story about an incident like that](https://youtu.be/S9ZSzuj1UpA)
"...put ya seatbelt back on" LOL. One of Bill's best bits.
Where? Chile?
US. Grand canyon rides are popular.
Not sure why this is downvoted, did people miss the Pinochet reference?
Right. If we didn’t build things people could jump off of we wouldn’t have any building higher than 6 feet and no bridges.
> bureaucratic stupidity Yes, it seems that Related Companies and Thomas Heatherwick and Heatherwick Studio did not think about suicide prevention at all. https://www.forbes.com/sites/suzannerowankelleher/2021/01/15/how-suicides-at-a-top-nyc-attraction-may-change-what-well-do-for-a-view/?sh=7aeafc904aff
>and nobody thought about jumpers is a testament to bureaucratic stupidity. 2016 was a simpler time
About 3 weeks before suicide by gravity was invented.
Isaac Newton in shambles
I actually thought it was cool and my kids loved it. The jumpers fucked it up for everyone. When the Vessel opened, you could walk around and explore it on your own. Visitors could climb the sculpture, challenge their fears of heights, take pictures, enjoy the views and read the various informative plaques tucked around the walkways. It was free to the public (though certain hours required free timed reservations) and tied in to the high line, a hugely successful public work that is actually used by massive numbers of New Yorkers from across the economic and social spectrum. Now, when it's open at all you need to stay with an escort (not the fun kind) who will tell you what to look at and how to experience the piece. New York, I Love You, but this is just one more way you really are bringing me down.
The designers fucked it up. Even looking at concept art makes it obvious what a suicide magnet it was. Concerns were raised, the builder didn’t give a shit.
God I love LCD Soundsystem
Lmao fuck those suicidal scumbags, amirite guys ? s/
Shawuicide
suicarma
Suwarma
You can almost say this with a Sean Connery accent.
Shawuishide
Shawarmacide
Imagine devoting your entire life to design and architecture, working your ass off in school and then for clients. Finally you get an opportunity to build a $200 million project in NYC. You put your heart and soul into designing the most beautiful architecture your mind dreams about, only for people to call it the Suicide Shawarma
Heatherwick studios are very pompous and stuck up starchitects. Not unique to them but theyre on the end of "entry level is unpaid for 5 years" while the principals make millions. Not to mention starchitects have a tendency to both misunderstand and concoct absolutely hesdass solutions to public and social problems and Heatherwick is wildly guilty of that attitude. Architecture makes itself relevant, it's not entitled to positive opinion because of time and money. The reason people don't like it is because it's ill thought in many ways.
So what you're saying is: the vessel is nothing more than a glorified vanity project.
It gets better. A competitor design firm made this design into a sex toy to make fun of it.
> Imagine devoting your entire life to design and architecture, working your ass off in school and then for clients. You can say that about anything. Writer who gets torn by critics. Movie director getting meme'd by their magnum opus. Game company getting ripped by redditors. Comes with the territory.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vessel_(structure)
Where is this?
The Vessel, 20 Hudson Yards, New York, NY Edit: spelling
They couldn't afford more housing for people, so they built a suicide building. Classic.
Even better. Hudson yards was financed in part through EB-5 visas. Where foreigners can buy visas by investing in real estate in distressed urban areas (and rural but not applicable here). These areas need to meet certain criteria like having an unemployment level at or above 150% of the federal level. Now, how does Hudson yard meet this criteria despite being located in one of the wealthiest areas of Manhattan? Easy, the area needs to meet strict definitions, but what constitutes an area is up to cities and states to decide. So New York linked Hudson Yards to areas of Harlem with public housing projects through some of the most funky gerrymandering you'll ever see. The "distressed area" goes from Hudson Yards, snakes it's way east and then north *through central park*, and up to the most economically weak areas of Harlem. Therefore the city can argue this entire area is economically distressed and qualifies for funding through EB-5 visas. Money meant to go towards rebuilding communities once again gets siphoned away to the ultra-wealthy.
"Don't have a home? Then just off yourself! A public safety announcement from your favorite city!"
*Vessel
Yeah, *which* city experiencing a colossal housing crisis?
Every major one in NA
I don't think the housing crisis is limited to NA.
Nope, I hear Australia's housing is in the shitter as well.
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Finally an idea I can get behind and go down on
[Very good video discussing all of the issues with The Vessel.](https://youtu.be/Bw3256SkN0k)
I was scrolling through the comments specifically to see if someone would link to this video. Ask A Mortician deserves all the support it can get. Great video, covering a difficult topic with respect.
That video is how I found out about this! Great video and an even greater youtuber behind it.
That whole place is soulless yuppie-ville. Very bland, very corporate. Everything looks unaffordable, but not even in an aesthetically pleasing way
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But a few regional HQ offices for Wells Fargo, the NHL, Ernst and Young… a few places with overpriced mediocre to OK food, the Edge, and this monstrosity. Most expensive real estate development in US history, fun stuff.
The entire West side is glass now. Only bright side is the Hudson River Greenway for biking and running. It is really dope, other than that, yup. It's such a waste and it's so revealing as to what moneybwants to do to NYC, and Manhattan specifically. People still live here beyond luxury towers quit turning every God damn thing into glass monstrosities. Bring back stone Art deco! And more affordable housing. Affordable art deco housing!!
Dead implies it was alive at some point. It's corporate infrastructure on top of city infrastructure on top of a trainyard.
At least those first two serve a purpose. Also, this isn't really the fault of Hudson yards in particular, but rather a general trend, but when it was a more industrial area, it was a place where businesses could still afford to open up shop and operate out of. Now everything is either residential or commercial, and every industry has been pushed to the outer boroughs or farther. If it were up to me, I'd prefer a neighborhood where small businesses could still operate rather than a massive corporate beehive.
Wait so is the mall terrible because of the Spanish tourists? That seems like such a random thing to include lol
The mall is fine if you like fairly high end stores like you’d find on 5th Avenue. It’s pretty nice if that’s your thing. Personally we just wanted to go to the Shake Shack there, so the kids were quite happy.
Spanish tourists?? Idk why that oddly specific description is so funny to me lol
There's a food hall-like thing called little Spain there. And a couple of Spanish restaurants from Jose Andres.
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It's like Seaport in Boston. Yeah, there's a lot of new buildings and apartments there. But the buildings are mostly empty because the offices are leased by consultancies, which primarily have their workers visiting clients in the field. Those consultants are the ones who can afford the apartments close to the offices, but since they're gone 4 days out of the week, the neighborhood is double dead.
It's smack dab in a commercial area, yeah, the Javitz Center is like a block away.
The Javits center is practically on the Hudson. It is, by design, not in the center of anything. It is where it is so that huge crowds and conventions can take place in the least dense part of midtown. Hudson yards is literally where they store the inactive train cars. Because it's so out of the way of the rest of Manhattan.
> Because it's so out of the way of the rest of Manhattan. There's no such thing anymore.,
I ran across this after checking out the high line. I thought it was awesome but after this you’re just kind of away from everything
Lol yeah, I went to said mall. Nothing but LV, Balenciaga, Patek, High end shit that the rest of us poors can't even hope to afford lol. I guess the suicide shawarma is the nail in the coffin for when the poors decide to commit the suicide ritual since it's so conveniently close to the mall of the Rich 🤑
It's a tragedy the nature and number of suicides that have happened here, but this is a weak take. You could say that about Central Park or any non-housing space in NYC. They jammed a ton of new housing in a previously undeveloped area and the structure is a fairly modest attempt at bringing some character. I don't even think it was taxpayer-funded, and if it were it wouldn't even crack the top 50 of dumb things NYC taxes go towards
it was privately funded
>[Hudson Yards owes its existence to a 2004 initiative to jump-start a new neighborhood on and around the old West Side rail yards, greased by lots and lots of publicly provided cash: $2.3 billion for extending the 7 train to 11th Avenue, $500 million for new pocket parks and roads, and $200 million to buy up air rights from the MTA. Just last month, the city council approved another $500 million to pay for what would be the city's most expensive park per acre, thanks for the need to deck over an Amtrak line that will run underneath it.](https://gothamist.com/news/hudson-yards-has-45-billion-in-taxpayer-money-will-we-ever-see-it-again) >All told — adding in $281.2 million in city capital expenditures and more than $750 million in special tax breaks handed out for Hudson Yards commercial developers — the city will end up spending at least $4.5 billion in taxpayer money, with developers led by Stephen Ross's Related getting a sweetheart deal on publicly controlled land in order to create a new outpost of Midtown. [Update: That figure has now risen to $5.6 billion, according to newly compiled research.] But hey there's was supposed to be some affordable housing built in phase 2 of Hudson yards...developers are now lobbying to build a casino there instead. And on top of all this when paying all that money to extend the 7 they cut from the plan the stop that would have served Hell's Kitchen an area that people already live in without the need for tax breaks and other subsidies. Even before Covid it didn't make sense for the government to subsidize all the new office buildings since they just attracted businesses that were already in Manhattan: >Secondly, a new neighborhood can develop, but only by siphoning off economic activity from other parts of your city. This is already starting to be seen in Midtown, where Hudson Yards has been successful at attracting new commercial tenants — but in many cases by luring them away from nearby Times Square. >Cross acknowledges that Hudson Yards office tenants will likely relocate from elsewhere in Manhattan — Coach, the anchor tenant of the first-completed building at 10 Hudson Yards, actually moved from a since-demolished building in Hudson Yards itself — but notes that "it's a complex dance," as ultimately this could open up older office buildings to get retrofitted as needed housing. >LeRoy remains skeptical, noting that at best this would be an exceedingly inefficient way to create affordable housing. "Even intellectually honest backers of those programs will admit to you that they don't necessarily create net new economic activity — they simply move it around," he says. "They make it more attractive to do it in one place rather than the other, but they don't create the market for the activity." ... >All of these pitfalls, ultimately, come down to but-for: Is your city putting money into a project that will churn out jobs and tax revenues that otherwise wouldn't exist? Or is it throwing money at something that developers would want to do regardless, but are happy enough to take a few billion in cash for to boost their profits? ... >"What happens is, taxpayers get upset at politicians for granting an overly generous TIF package," he says. "The politicians say, 'But the developers signed the but-for clause, that this wouldn't have happened but for the TIFs.' And because nobody ever gets to see inside the developers' books, we just have to take their word for it. It passes the buck to somebody who doesn't have to say." ... >In the end, there is no smoking gun to this story, no final tally that says exactly how much to the dollar taxpayers have been ripped off by developers in cahoots with city officials. There is only this: In order to support a cluster of crystalline faceted office towers, New York City is delivering about $4.5 billion in tax money; in return, the city is getting a new subway stop (though not one in any of its major transit deserts), a few small parks (most of which so far are limited to some lunchable benches and landscaping), and a new neighborhood of corporate towers and luxury housing.
> But hey there's was supposed to be some affordable housing built in phase 2 of Hudson yards...developers are now lobbying to build a casino there instead. A floor of "affordable" units in a high-end area like Hudson Yards does nothing. You can't complain about the city's housing situation while advocating for the very same flawed policies that led us here.
>while advocating for the very same flawed policies that led us here. You read my post and thought I was advocating for more projects like Hudson Yards?
public parks are fucking essential, especially to low income people.
central park is a park, it provides a lot more value without wasting money. the money spent on grounds keeping and similar is going to more important jobs too.
Pretty sure parks are shown to have a beneficial mental health effect.
yea this thing is stupid. been there once. u need tickets, though free it has to be manned by staff etc etc like, why? why build this random dumbass thing for 200 million bucks?
The government of the future everyone they'll keep doing this shit because they know they shouldn't be in the jobs they are in because of some bad shit they done back in the day, guaranteed with a fucking stamp. My hometown recently "lost" 300,000 and they don't know where it went. Are you being serious you don't know where 300,000 just fluttered off to there's bad, bad eggs in the basket and they need to thrown out, simple fucking as.
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I used to do the night audit at a hotel a few years ago. One of the bartenders was consistently a few dollars off when it came to counting her drawer at the end of the day. She got fired for this because a few dollars went unaccounted for. Yet, governments are allowed to loose hundreds of thousands with absolutely no repercussions. And they wonder why the people have a hard time trusting them.
The government should be held responsible but this isn’t really comparable to a households personal finance. Government finance is much more complicated. You have a lot of hands in the pot and things move around a lot. It’s like having 1000 credit cards with 100 different people using them and moving money between them. Then at the end of the quarter you add the balance of all of them and say “Why are we $10,000 over budget? Where did that money go?”. Figuring it out requires a lot of back tracing Even businesses have issues like this. There’s the story of the guy who would just send false bills to Google.
FWIW accounting isn’t easy, there’s a reason there’s multi billion dollar firms dedicated to it. Sometimes you run over the books from the past 10 years and realize a couple things don’t add up, it’s not always corruption.
Wether or not it's corruption, this is the government in power how can we trust somebody who can't even do the fucking books properly. If this was the Mafia these people would have been whacked and taken out to the weeds. The last 40+ has got to be a joke. I might be wrong on the years but if this type of stuff was happening before then somebody needs to speak up.
They should've done what London did and just build [a big dirt mound](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marble_Arch_Mound). Much safer and cheaper.
There is no housing shortage... You don't have a house or a path to a better one because that makes existing houses less valuable. Saturating the market ie: Housing Everyone isn't profitable enough. It's absurd to begin with. With our level of technology and resources decent living accommodations should your right.
Tbf no one is saying there’s a housing shortage. It says housing crisis, which is correct.
also, there is a housing shortage in places where people want to live.
But that's socialism, and my favorite uncle says that's bad.
It's not even socialism. Building more housing so that people can live in them is key to sustaining a growing population. Let's take feudalism for example, if the lord wants more serfs, he needs to make sure the serfs have somewhere to sleep, eat, and raise their kids.
The current "housing shortage" is the same problem as the current "labor shortage". Both don't exist. There's plenty of housing and workers available, but the prices are too high and wages too low respectively for anyone to actually do anything.
Someone should convince hyperrich people that it's super artsy and cool to donate $1000 to 200,000 people in poverty
Ironic that the son of Robert Bork (Reagan's failed Supreme Court nominee) is tweeting about this. His dad and his friends were some of the most influential people in advancing these crises.
Now that he called it “Shawarma”, I can’t unsee it 😳
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The meat for shawarma is prepared like [this](https://www.mamaslebanesekitchen.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/chicken-shawarma-mamaslebanesekitchen1.jpg), and they kinda look alike
They spent all that money building that? Instead of affordable housing? What great country.
Damn pathologic 3 looks weird
Put a pool of sufficient depth around it. At best you’d save a few lives; at worst they’d drown, and it’s easier to clean up than a splat.
I fell off falafel.
With the various levels, one could build their immunity to fall damage over time and work their way up to further heights until terminal velocity is a thing of the past
looks like a ribcage