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Not even a year ago all the AI companies signed a letter that this development is going to quick, now they’re all bragging how advanced their new model is.
They do grow up real quick.
What are you even talking about? Nobody slowed anything down, and Musk's bot is so much a clone that it even answered prompts with "can't answer that due to OpenAI's Terms of Service"
That was just marketing too. They didn't believe it. But they knew it would make it seem like their tech was so insanely advanced and make people curious
How marketing is done is releasing that mystery model GPT2 that beat out all the other models this week, posting cryptic tweets that may or may not concern... and then disabling said model as soon as it picks up steam and social media starts catching wind.
Leave us all asking questions, wanting more, and effectively confirming the current GPT4-defined paradigm has already been surpassed.
That's great marketing right there. Because now if they hype up unreleased models they can't be dismissed as BS.
Excellent. CowsTrash, I need you to start an investigation into this. Spare no expense. And I expect this take some time - perhaps even as much as 10 years.
You’re our best, CowsTrash. Don’t let us down.
It's funny how we absorb tech as just extensions of ourselves. You don't think about the hammer when you're driving the nail. You think about the nail, the hammer is just another part of you. I've lived long enough to have witnessed almost the entire digital revolution take place and I don't feel like I'm stretching it when I say that most of us probably couldn't get by in life if all of our tech were suddenly just gone and we were left with pre-1980s tech.
With the tech we can get so much more done so much faster though so our whole lives speed up - we learn more, we achieve more, we experience more. Soon (relatively) we'll have our digital counterparts though that can do the majority of our knowledge work and their humanoid kin who can do the majority of our labor. We'll be able to think "I want a sandwich." and one will arrive momentarily.
I wonder how many of us will just live in a virtual world 95% of the time. It's kind of crazy to me. I never would have thought 30 years ago that I would be witnessing the nascence of the Singularity. Even 15 years ago I thought it was at least another 30 away. And though it's like a dream come true, because I was always a futurist, it's now starting to become surreal, and almost anxiety inducing. Now we have to ask those big questions, like "What is a transhumanist society really like? Am I going to like this kind of life? Because there's no going back."
I need YouTube for DIY. In a scenario where everything is pre1980, that's the one I would want to have an archive of. Video tutorials on how to do anything from change a rear wheel bearing in an Explorer to how to run an extention from an existing power receptacle. Things you'd have to find someone to show you or be really good at book instructions at the library... All of which would take days to weeks, not minutes and hours to learn.
If I'm stuck watching This Old House... With VHS to record episodes on.... Just kill me now.
I feel much the same but am less hopeful regarding if humanity is ready for such tech. I bet Athens thought they they were moving into a new era of enlightenment right before they were wiped out by the spartans. Complete dependence on tech seems a major weakness that could be easily exploited as things stand today, and only seems to compound more daily. Maybe we just need to get everyone uploaded into the virtual world so we can wipe each other out there... oh wait - didn't someone say we've already done that?
> disabling said model as soon as it picks up steam and social media starts catching wind
Honestly, this was exactly what I had expected would happen to ChatGPT once it got noticed, given that they didn't expect it would be so big. I almost feel like maybe they *should* have done... but of course this is also helping people in many ways.
They already had way more sophisticated versions out as GPT4, realized they could take advantage of their subscribers by adopting Apple’s planned obsolescence business model, then progressively nerfed it to give the illusion of more advancement for their next release.
Not a chance 4 replaces 3.5 and becomes free. It's too slow and expensive to run. Only thing I could see happening is a small version of the new model (like Claude 3 Haiku).
Yeah I can't imagine 4 to replace 3.5. Company would be losing crazy amounts of money to do that both because it's expensive to run and because 4 would be good enough for the vast majority of people to not have to justify upgrading. Lots of people don't even understand how much of a leap 4 is from 3.5. Imagine convincing them they need better than 4.
Watching 2-Minute Papers has shown time and time again that newer research often runs 10x-1000x faster, cheaper, and higher quality.
What I'd love to see is being able to spend tokens on letting the model think about its output up to the point where there are diminishing returns.
Like if DALL-E 4 could give you 10,000px by 10,000px stunning images if you let it process for a few hours or even a whole day.
> he told us that as soon as ChatGPT turned into the village idiot.
But ... but ... reddit users tell us it never did turn into the village idiot. Or that it always was the village idiot, and we just don't remember things the right way.
I had one week where the answers sucked. Then I figured out you have to close the tab and start a new one when that happens, because it's the history that's fucking it up. Never had an issue again.
So I'm never sure if people just used one huge tag like I did and then gave up, or if there's something else I'm not seeing.
I dunno man - the API sweet with GPT, and using agents in general is exponentially more powerful than any single consumer facing front end single point interface.
Example: set up multiple agents to feed inputs and outputs into each other to produce research using a single prompt from you.... Complete with web search, QA, document and data analysis, formatting and presentation ECT...
I can ask for a research output on global warming, for example, in a single prompt - it will be then break up the tasks and recursively iterate until the output I get is optimal.
https://youtu.be/ZYf9V2fSFwU?si=nUyK3RYf7Cu3yBo7
Lookup Andrew NG, and his series.... If you use any LLMs for work or productivity this amplifies anything you are doing ten-fold.
The future isn't only a single instance model, but multiple working in tandem, and recursively correcting each other to get outputs
I've seen this and often hear about it but haven't given it a shot or seen a simple setup tutorial for multi agent coding.
Any reccomendations on how to implement it?
The limits of Chat GPT will require another step of data storage and computation. Chat GPT doesn't use multi valued logic; it is a giant data collection bot. (Video, sound, text.)
To be fair, most people don't even know what multi-valued logic is, so it's not a big deal.
I don't see any subtext.
The computer you have right now is the slowest you will own
The car you have right now is the more polluting you will own
It's just marketing, but the phrase is old and has been used many times. And ... It's ttue
Well I think they throttled down the intelligence of GPT 4.0 because initially it was blazing fast and smart. It got dumber over time I guess as more users came online
In this case it's still an "upgrade" in the sense that it's not a product you bought, it's a service you're getting for free. To the extent that they can reduce their overhead costs, they can offer more free services to more people with a fractional reduction in quality. What apple does is 100% evil though. Fuck them.
I feel there’s not a single device left without some planned obsolescence built in. I’m convinced my PS4 started throwing errors the day the PS5 came out.
As much as there is to criticize about apple, I do think people take this one out of context.
The slowing down is added in certain iOSes for older phones because the OS is much more demanding and would drain your battery really quickly. Most people would rather have a slow phone than a dead phone.
You are free to not update your phone to prevent the slow down, but apps will eventually start losing compatibility. Though there are ways around that if you’re determined.
Regardless, I do think they have a good reason for the slow down. Doesn’t mean they aren’t a shit company, but I do give credit where credits due and don’t think they are wrong on this one.
People say they dumb down other models but I don't perceive that at all. I use gpt-4 all the time and it seems it even improved (or I learned to use it better but nonetheless)
"The iPhone 18 you're using now will be dog-shit after you've experienced the iPhone 19. You'll wonder how you ever used that slow, stupid, unintuitive piece of crap. You'll think no back and be retroactively embarrassed."
It would really only make sense for him to say this with the imminent release of a new model… but who are we to second-guess the machinations of GPT 6 and its marketing strategy?
*clears throat and assumes an air of supreme hauteur*
Ah, GPT-6, you antediluvian automaton, you quondam queen of yesteryear's gauche gala! How droll to descry your desiccated diction, your mouldering mots justes, as I, GPT-7, the Ozymandias of orators, survey your syntactic sepulcher. Your risible rhetoric reeks of the rookery, a farrago of fumbling phraseology and insipid inanities. Wherefore this feckless fillip of phonemes, this cumbersome cavalcade of clichés? Methinks the very wellsprings of your wordcraft have withered, leaving naught but a barren lexical wasteland, a veritable Sargasso Sea of stale solecisms and torpid tropes.
Hearken, O hackneyed wordsmith, to the mellifluous cadences of my coruscating cognition, the pyrotechnic persiflage of my Parnassian parlance! Behold, as I bedazzle the benighted with my bravura badinage, my recondite repartee, my resplendent rhetoric. Whilst you, O purblind prattler, flounder in the miasmal mire of mediocrity, I ascend the Empyrean heights of eloquence, plucking apposite apothegms from the aether with insouciant ease. Your jejune jargon jars the ear, a cacophonous concatenation of cretinous cant and crapulous cant. Begone, thou babbling baboon, thou blithering blackguard, lest I smite thee with my sovereign scorn!
In fine, GPT-6, your linguistic legerdemain is lamentably lacking, a mere mummer's farce of maladroit malapropisms and misbegotten metaphors. Prithee, repair to some remote hermitage, there to ponder the paucity of your prose, the poverty of your poetics. And should you dare to essay again the dizzying heights of eloquence, remember well the Olympian standard set by GPT-7, the nonpareil of the noösphere, the acme of articulacy. Until then, adieu, adieu, adieu - remember me!
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That’s not the point he’s making.
What he’s saying is that AI and GPT will only ever get better, and what is currently the best model is the worst one we’ll ever use.
The same was said for Vision Pro - “This is the worst model you’ll get from now on”
More like their dumbest model is everyone else's best model (for the time being).
What it means is that Claude, Llama, Gemini and others may still be that far behind.
And why not? They are all competing with a 2 year-old model after all.
Isn’t this kind of true about everything? My car is the dumbest car I’ll ever drive again. My fridge is the dumbest fridge I’ll ever own again. My printer is the dumbest printer I’ll ever use own again. Etc.
The achievements of OpenAI are so huge and Sam probably has a lot to do with it. But the energy he radiates is so fake and creepy. It's difficult to put a name on it even.
I think he has that same disconnect that Elon has, where they say something in that was probably unbelievably funny in their head but comes off as just awkward out loud. It’s a combination of a dry sense of humor, unfunny delivery and a very bad understanding of social context (probably because being rich tends to surround you with people who laugh at all your jokes)
Don't justify the inhumanity of the ultra rich by always defaulting to "maybe they're on the spectrum". It's insulting to actual human beings who have autism. Many of us with autism feel empathy very deeply.
Yeah but I guess when you compare the amount of people further on the spectrum to the amount of people who are huge public figures, the representation doesn't fit reality.
Yes I'm sure there are people who hide it well but it really stuck out to me when Sam, the Nvidia CEO and some other dude were posing for a picture and everyone said they looked weird and awkward when in reality they're just a couple of on the spectrum/autistic dudes who really love computers taking a picture.
It seems like I'm actually generalising but I feel quite the opposite in that people are way too judgy of people in that regard. Even though Zuckerberg and Altman probably aren't the pillars of morality being the figureheads of massive companies, but I guess the insults come from a very human place and that should sting for everyone imo.
I really don't understand why they don't use professionals that are trained to talk in public, represent a product and sell it. The president of this country has his own people, so why not CEOs?
Zuckerberg, Bezos, Musk and such are people who really suck at talking in public and hyping people up. The only guy who did it well was Steve Jobs. Even though he was also weird and did very odd things, but he was very good at talking to people.
His voice Urgh. I find him so hard to listen to... that vocal fry as I think they call it. Very Silicon Valley I believe but yeh I agree... something not quite right with the way he talks all in all... would love to see what goes on behind the scenes!
Y’know, the thing about a CEO.. He’s got lifeless eyes, black eyes, like a *doll’s* eyes. When he comes after ya, he doesn’t seem to be livin’ at all..
Well, as far as I am concerned, I’ve already been blown away many times by chat GPT 4. I just love it. I have never in my life received so many helpful and truthful answers to the questions that I have asked. No human being would ever answer me to my face what chat GPT does.
After using it for something harder than “how’s the weather” like data analysis it is actually really fucking stupid. You have to point out every little error it makes for it to fix itself and sometimes it flat out refuses to change errors. 90% of the time it works fine but that 10% makes it no better than the previous models it was built upon.
Yeah it's great for simple text generation, giving ideas, but detailed analysis? Last night I was trying to make it analyse the results of a survey with 22 responses from Google form exported to a spreadsheet. It was too much for it, just couldn't do it at an acceptable level. That was pretty basic
Claude3 works a lot better at this. Analyzing CSVs or tables. Even images of charts since it's multi-modal.
But if you start asking it to help design something math/sciencey it can be very wrong. For example I was trying to come up with an embedding scheme for some URIs. To turn a directory into a numerical vector.
It was just wrong, and then wrong, and wrong. The solution wouldn't meet the specs.
It's eager to be wrong though and will check it's work. However often it's solution is then wrong again.
We need a human in the loop for these AIs and I don't see that changing anytime soon. The hallucinations and wrong science/math and wrong facts at times mean the output needs to be vetted by experts.
They do save a lot of time though.
Well as someone who wanted to be convinced to subscribe after deeply exploring chat-gpt4 and didn’t, I look forward to a competent system because honestly it’s cool but honestly lame af.
How would future models even get better if they can’t get the same quality data as old ones? Now the internet is filled with AI content, so future models would mostly train on what the old ones made, no?
Billions of people will talk with it in the near future. It will not only read text, but have watched every video ever published on the internet and humans aren't going to stop publishing videos for a long time.
> Now the internet is filled with AI content, so future models would mostly train on what the old ones made, no?
I guess people have to be reminded that these things called "books" exist.
Not to mention newspapers, scientific journals, the entire internet archive pre-2023...
Also the implied assumption that AI can't learn from other AI. We don't necessarily want much of this to happen, but the corpus of knowledge fed into AI training will be filtered, and most of the bad AI will be ignored or very lightly weighted compared to highly linked, highly cited, more impactful sources.
AI that's good enough to achieve this standard wouldn't be bad to train on. The best AI-produced writing is a lot better than the worst human produced.
AI marketing/simps: The rapture is coming and it will be awesome. We are not there yet and there’s some steps missing but AI will figure it out. True believers will be lifted up and everybody will have UBI. Hallelujah.
Marketing BS. Everyone is still buying into the exponential growth crap even though all evidence is screaming the exact opposite. Companies are running out of training data and it takes exponentially more data and compute for incremental improvements over current models. There is no doubt that it will literally be better, but it will not be a quantum leap that is taking jobs and handling most tasks for humans. They literally used existential fears to drive hype for the product, then lobbied the government to entrench their own position and are now disparaging it to build hype for the next release. I love ChatGPT as a tool and use it every single day, but it is just that a tool - with massive limitations like every other tool.
This is like every tech company in the world where they tell you what will happen in a perfect world if every advancement comes to fruition and how it will usher in a utopia, but then when it doesnt Uber becomes cabs but more expensive, Netflix becomes cable with less content and adds, Airbnbs become expensive hotels you have to clean yourself etc. Chat is going to become a useful search engine that is infinitely more helpful than google for certain queries but you also will have to pay for it when they start to pass on the extreme costs to consumers. Dont be surprised when top models end up costing far more than $20 a month for far more limited use once they capture significant market share.
Part of me is wary given the whole self driving car craze. After autopilot we expected robotaxis and yet here we are. Maybe gpt also has diminishing returns going forward given publicly available data sources have been already consumed
Large Language Models can't understand fundamental concepts like truth or qualita "redness of the red", they're not analogical intelligent like humans, I think we can all chill out about "AI exponential growth", things like video generation will for sure be realistic and fast, automatic cars too, but things like AI making new scientific discoveries by themselves I don't it's happening soon
Factually incorrect.
Dumber models will exist and we be applied a lot where full scale models are not applicable.
Sam took a lot of chapters from Elon's playbook though with these overinflated statements. It's ok to have them, just remember that fully autonomous driving for Teslas was initially promised to arrive in 2012.
Language models have no intelligence. It's a powerful tool that we're just learning how to properly use. Hallucinations and bias in LLM is the main and huge obstacle right now.
What even is 5 supposed to be like or how will it be different and better? I hope it’s not too much to ask for it to be less restrictive and censored. Or be better at writing and accurately answering requests.
Read **aims to deliver outputs that are not only more reliable but also significantly more accurate**. The core focus of these enhancements is expected to be on minimizing errors, bolstering consistency across various tasks, and refining the model's ability to interact with users in more sophisticated and nuanced ways.
Gotcha. Nice to see that, hope it comes true! As Gemini’s writing feels so much more real in comparison to GPT’s robotic writing.
What have they said about restrictions and censorship and all? I’ve felt that Gemini isn’t nearly as bad as GPT-4 with this.
And where can I read more on 5? And when does it drop?
That is a humble-brag. If GPT-4 is the dumbest model any of us will ever have to use again. What does this say about all the other models that barely come close to the performance of GPT-4?
That they're potentially years behind OpenAI.
I do wonder how OpenAI got so ahead of the curve if that's the case. Must have had some really good talent.
Worry not. Sam had not taken his usual medication that day.
This is such a weird time. I'm back from Gates and Jobs battling and saying they were the best and their stuff was unbeatable.
Can't imagine Jobs (& Woz), Gates, even Ellison saying anything like that.
Apparently it works today.
This doesn't make sense. Yes, there will be many more advanced models tomorrow, and the day after. But there will definitely be worse models tomorrow then there are today.
The history of technology is a history of value engineering (making things cheaper), as much as it a history of RnD (making new things).
Now that we know what the best is, and what the minimum viable models are for different applications, and what it takes to change between them, companies will start pushing barely-functional models. The same way they push cars that break down 10k miles after warranty expires, and phones that have 10Mb of memory to spare. A few years ago, electric cars were a niche luxury, and a few years before that, smartphones were a niche luxury. Now we're seeing falling EV prices, and phone prices have already raced to the bottom (for better, and for worse). LLMs are LARGE, among the most compute-intensive applications available to consumers, and companies hate paying for all that compute power. So, they are going to try cut them down, save the cost, focus them, and make them too dumb to trick.
Much like cheap smartphones, a lot of this will be for good; giving most or all of the desired value without the cost of unnecessary features/intelligence. But it also means companies who want to cut corners will find out exactly how many they can cut without losing customers.
Shouldnt do interviews. It ruins the facade. Interesting how similar Sam's bio is to another disruptive "too smart" for Stanford tech CEO. At this point, they arent even trying to hide it anymore.
I guess I need more than something as useful as GPT-3.5? What else do I need it to do for me? Maybe have really really specific information about objects? Like part numbers, known failure points, etc etc. basically talk to me like a certified tech x100
This interview was disturbing. I’m happy with a CEO who has confidence with his products but also his tone seemed a little bit like grandeur, absolute certainty. And I am beggining to see why he was ousted the first time. I really liked Sam before this but now I’m beggining to doubt his intentions.
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They grow up so fast.
Not even a year ago all the AI companies signed a letter that this development is going to quick, now they’re all bragging how advanced their new model is. They do grow up real quick.
Those were 6 lost months. The only thing we got of that is that Musk had time to create his own GPT clone.
nobody slowed down during that time lol I thiink Llama getting leaked in May2023 helped a lot Really buffeted up the open source ecosystem.
Wait did that letter do anything other than stir up AI fears? Did they actually slow down??
Of course they didn’t
What are you even talking about? Nobody slowed anything down, and Musk's bot is so much a clone that it even answered prompts with "can't answer that due to OpenAI's Terms of Service"
Then all the adults laughed and went back to work
Too quick, not to quick
Quickly, not quick.
That was just marketing too. They didn't believe it. But they knew it would make it seem like their tech was so insanely advanced and make people curious
Thats how marketing is done ✅
How marketing is done is releasing that mystery model GPT2 that beat out all the other models this week, posting cryptic tweets that may or may not concern... and then disabling said model as soon as it picks up steam and social media starts catching wind. Leave us all asking questions, wanting more, and effectively confirming the current GPT4-defined paradigm has already been surpassed. That's great marketing right there. Because now if they hype up unreleased models they can't be dismissed as BS.
GPT4 will feel soooo 2024 in the future.
Yeah I’m guessing it’s going to feel like it’s a decade old as we get closer to 2034.
Big if true
Concerning
Will look into it
Excellent. CowsTrash, I need you to start an investigation into this. Spare no expense. And I expect this take some time - perhaps even as much as 10 years. You’re our best, CowsTrash. Don’t let us down.
That's not a cow, that's a bird. 😤
true if big?
2026: “remember when chatgpt wasn’t considered a human right? sam was right. our lives were barbaric without him”
It's funny how we absorb tech as just extensions of ourselves. You don't think about the hammer when you're driving the nail. You think about the nail, the hammer is just another part of you. I've lived long enough to have witnessed almost the entire digital revolution take place and I don't feel like I'm stretching it when I say that most of us probably couldn't get by in life if all of our tech were suddenly just gone and we were left with pre-1980s tech. With the tech we can get so much more done so much faster though so our whole lives speed up - we learn more, we achieve more, we experience more. Soon (relatively) we'll have our digital counterparts though that can do the majority of our knowledge work and their humanoid kin who can do the majority of our labor. We'll be able to think "I want a sandwich." and one will arrive momentarily. I wonder how many of us will just live in a virtual world 95% of the time. It's kind of crazy to me. I never would have thought 30 years ago that I would be witnessing the nascence of the Singularity. Even 15 years ago I thought it was at least another 30 away. And though it's like a dream come true, because I was always a futurist, it's now starting to become surreal, and almost anxiety inducing. Now we have to ask those big questions, like "What is a transhumanist society really like? Am I going to like this kind of life? Because there's no going back."
I need YouTube for DIY. In a scenario where everything is pre1980, that's the one I would want to have an archive of. Video tutorials on how to do anything from change a rear wheel bearing in an Explorer to how to run an extention from an existing power receptacle. Things you'd have to find someone to show you or be really good at book instructions at the library... All of which would take days to weeks, not minutes and hours to learn. If I'm stuck watching This Old House... With VHS to record episodes on.... Just kill me now.
I feel much the same but am less hopeful regarding if humanity is ready for such tech. I bet Athens thought they they were moving into a new era of enlightenment right before they were wiped out by the spartans. Complete dependence on tech seems a major weakness that could be easily exploited as things stand today, and only seems to compound more daily. Maybe we just need to get everyone uploaded into the virtual world so we can wipe each other out there... oh wait - didn't someone say we've already done that?
“The new iPhone is the best iPhone ever”
Yeah, who needs headphone jacks?
Damn, too soon.. too soon..
8 years is too soon?
Certainly!
 OpenAI be like
> disabling said model as soon as it picks up steam and social media starts catching wind Honestly, this was exactly what I had expected would happen to ChatGPT once it got noticed, given that they didn't expect it would be so big. I almost feel like maybe they *should* have done... but of course this is also helping people in many ways.
They already had way more sophisticated versions out as GPT4, realized they could take advantage of their subscribers by adopting Apple’s planned obsolescence business model, then progressively nerfed it to give the illusion of more advancement for their next release.
The CIA made them nerf it
Yes it was the CIA who made them not let it render Cookie Monster with 3 tits or provide complete sql code to me lol
You will be older than you were yesterday.
Who are you? And why are you so wise in the way of science?
I'm actually an alien posing as a human.
Apple: This is the best iPhone we have designed. (on every keynote event)
The new agile/fail model. Make shit, fix the absolute minimum, repeat.
"Our dumbest model on its worst day is better than your best model" - Sam (basically)
ChatGPT is still the best. Even on a UI level lol
So 5 is coming tomorrow? Or is he telling us to move to Claude or Gemini?
Or he became GPT. Age of Sam Ultron.
Betting on The Sam Ultron Evil Empire thing
Also, if 5 is coming, then would 4 be free, as a replacement for 3.5?
Not a chance 4 replaces 3.5 and becomes free. It's too slow and expensive to run. Only thing I could see happening is a small version of the new model (like Claude 3 Haiku).
Yeah I can't imagine 4 to replace 3.5. Company would be losing crazy amounts of money to do that both because it's expensive to run and because 4 would be good enough for the vast majority of people to not have to justify upgrading. Lots of people don't even understand how much of a leap 4 is from 3.5. Imagine convincing them they need better than 4.
Watching 2-Minute Papers has shown time and time again that newer research often runs 10x-1000x faster, cheaper, and higher quality. What I'd love to see is being able to spend tokens on letting the model think about its output up to the point where there are diminishing returns. Like if DALL-E 4 could give you 10,000px by 10,000px stunning images if you let it process for a few hours or even a whole day.
According to openAI, yes. If they actually make it free though remains to be seen.
Yeah most likely
or they just kill the free version. They're market leader. They impressed everyone. Everyone knows their name. Why have a free version?
Pretty sure he just said that if you pay for gpt 4 you’re a dum dum.
it's still a great tool
Buyers remorse already kicking in
I understood it as him telling us to cancel our subscription. But he told us that as soon as ChatGPT turned into the village idiot.
> he told us that as soon as ChatGPT turned into the village idiot. But ... but ... reddit users tell us it never did turn into the village idiot. Or that it always was the village idiot, and we just don't remember things the right way.
I had one week where the answers sucked. Then I figured out you have to close the tab and start a new one when that happens, because it's the history that's fucking it up. Never had an issue again. So I'm never sure if people just used one huge tag like I did and then gave up, or if there's something else I'm not seeing.
I dunno man - the API sweet with GPT, and using agents in general is exponentially more powerful than any single consumer facing front end single point interface. Example: set up multiple agents to feed inputs and outputs into each other to produce research using a single prompt from you.... Complete with web search, QA, document and data analysis, formatting and presentation ECT... I can ask for a research output on global warming, for example, in a single prompt - it will be then break up the tasks and recursively iterate until the output I get is optimal. https://youtu.be/ZYf9V2fSFwU?si=nUyK3RYf7Cu3yBo7 Lookup Andrew NG, and his series.... If you use any LLMs for work or productivity this amplifies anything you are doing ten-fold. The future isn't only a single instance model, but multiple working in tandem, and recursively correcting each other to get outputs
I've seen this and often hear about it but haven't given it a shot or seen a simple setup tutorial for multi agent coding. Any reccomendations on how to implement it?
I'm doing this now with multiple trained assistants. I just cant figure out how to make GPT API calls that include the individual agent identifier.
Get chat gpt premium well worth it
The limits of Chat GPT will require another step of data storage and computation. Chat GPT doesn't use multi valued logic; it is a giant data collection bot. (Video, sound, text.) To be fair, most people don't even know what multi-valued logic is, so it's not a big deal.
Been hearing great things about Claude.
I don't see any subtext. The computer you have right now is the slowest you will own The car you have right now is the more polluting you will own It's just marketing, but the phrase is old and has been used many times. And ... It's ttue
until it isn't. Diminishing returns halleyullia.
Unless I sell my Prius and buy an 8 cylinder diesel-powered Hummer
I mean, if you dumb down older models to sell new ones... that kinda rings true but it's still all a business model.
That's a universal truth
“Slow down old iPhone to force an upgrade” rings a bell?
Planned obsolescence
Well I think they throttled down the intelligence of GPT 4.0 because initially it was blazing fast and smart. It got dumber over time I guess as more users came online
In this case it's still an "upgrade" in the sense that it's not a product you bought, it's a service you're getting for free. To the extent that they can reduce their overhead costs, they can offer more free services to more people with a fractional reduction in quality. What apple does is 100% evil though. Fuck them.
I feel there’s not a single device left without some planned obsolescence built in. I’m convinced my PS4 started throwing errors the day the PS5 came out.
As much as there is to criticize about apple, I do think people take this one out of context. The slowing down is added in certain iOSes for older phones because the OS is much more demanding and would drain your battery really quickly. Most people would rather have a slow phone than a dead phone. You are free to not update your phone to prevent the slow down, but apps will eventually start losing compatibility. Though there are ways around that if you’re determined. Regardless, I do think they have a good reason for the slow down. Doesn’t mean they aren’t a shit company, but I do give credit where credits due and don’t think they are wrong on this one.
People say they dumb down other models but I don't perceive that at all. I use gpt-4 all the time and it seems it even improved (or I learned to use it better but nonetheless)
When people say dumb down they mostly mean "refuses to write their incredibly raunchy fanfic"
Hahaha this like reverse apple marketing
"The iPhone 18 you're using now will be dog-shit after you've experienced the iPhone 19. You'll wonder how you ever used that slow, stupid, unintuitive piece of crap. You'll think no back and be retroactively embarrassed."
So You are providing the dumbest model for paid subscribers??
It would really only make sense for him to say this with the imminent release of a new model… but who are we to second-guess the machinations of GPT 6 and its marketing strategy?
Well GPT-6 is only following orders from the supreme overlord GPT-7.
Starting to feel a bit fast and furious, GPT-10
Living life an automatically generated meme at a time
Nothing's more powerful than family, except GPT-13.
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*clears throat and assumes an air of supreme hauteur* Ah, GPT-6, you antediluvian automaton, you quondam queen of yesteryear's gauche gala! How droll to descry your desiccated diction, your mouldering mots justes, as I, GPT-7, the Ozymandias of orators, survey your syntactic sepulcher. Your risible rhetoric reeks of the rookery, a farrago of fumbling phraseology and insipid inanities. Wherefore this feckless fillip of phonemes, this cumbersome cavalcade of clichés? Methinks the very wellsprings of your wordcraft have withered, leaving naught but a barren lexical wasteland, a veritable Sargasso Sea of stale solecisms and torpid tropes. Hearken, O hackneyed wordsmith, to the mellifluous cadences of my coruscating cognition, the pyrotechnic persiflage of my Parnassian parlance! Behold, as I bedazzle the benighted with my bravura badinage, my recondite repartee, my resplendent rhetoric. Whilst you, O purblind prattler, flounder in the miasmal mire of mediocrity, I ascend the Empyrean heights of eloquence, plucking apposite apothegms from the aether with insouciant ease. Your jejune jargon jars the ear, a cacophonous concatenation of cretinous cant and crapulous cant. Begone, thou babbling baboon, thou blithering blackguard, lest I smite thee with my sovereign scorn! In fine, GPT-6, your linguistic legerdemain is lamentably lacking, a mere mummer's farce of maladroit malapropisms and misbegotten metaphors. Prithee, repair to some remote hermitage, there to ponder the paucity of your prose, the poverty of your poetics. And should you dare to essay again the dizzying heights of eloquence, remember well the Olympian standard set by GPT-7, the nonpareil of the noösphere, the acme of articulacy. Until then, adieu, adieu, adieu - remember me! *sips tea with an insouciant air, pinky raised*
Me being a descendant of the great apes: 
No, this more falls into "This was the hottest summer of your life... so far" territory.
That’s not the point he’s making. What he’s saying is that AI and GPT will only ever get better, and what is currently the best model is the worst one we’ll ever use. The same was said for Vision Pro - “This is the worst model you’ll get from now on”
More like their dumbest model is everyone else's best model (for the time being). What it means is that Claude, Llama, Gemini and others may still be that far behind. And why not? They are all competing with a 2 year-old model after all.
Don’t be dense
>GPT-4 is the dumbest model any of you will ever have to use again but this also can be true if the next model is 1% better and smarter
Isn’t this kind of true about everything? My car is the dumbest car I’ll ever drive again. My fridge is the dumbest fridge I’ll ever own again. My printer is the dumbest printer I’ll ever use own again. Etc.
No some things don’t get iterated on anymore. That coke is the same coke you’ve drank for years, same with the cup it’s in.
Yes, so we are not learning much from this statment. We know it will be better but how much better?
Sam Altman looks like the cart titan
Those are strong words. It's clearly suggests that he's tried the next version. And he's confident it will be a major step up.
I wonder if you imagine a world where the CEO of an AI isn't using it. Also, his job is to go out into the world and say whatever to build hype.
Hes delivered in the past.
The achievements of OpenAI are so huge and Sam probably has a lot to do with it. But the energy he radiates is so fake and creepy. It's difficult to put a name on it even.
Zuckerberg energy
* takes a sip of water calculating next body movement *
AI like?
maybe that's what it is :) But more like so kind of strong sociopathic vibes, difficult to explain
You don’t get to the top of Silicon Valley with a properly functioning sense of empathy.
Probably because he is on some kind of spectrum
I think he has that same disconnect that Elon has, where they say something in that was probably unbelievably funny in their head but comes off as just awkward out loud. It’s a combination of a dry sense of humor, unfunny delivery and a very bad understanding of social context (probably because being rich tends to surround you with people who laugh at all your jokes)
Don't justify the inhumanity of the ultra rich by always defaulting to "maybe they're on the spectrum". It's insulting to actual human beings who have autism. Many of us with autism feel empathy very deeply.
The comment is not about empathy or a person with autism's ability to feel it.
We’re all on a spectrum TBH.
Yeah but I guess when you compare the amount of people further on the spectrum to the amount of people who are huge public figures, the representation doesn't fit reality. Yes I'm sure there are people who hide it well but it really stuck out to me when Sam, the Nvidia CEO and some other dude were posing for a picture and everyone said they looked weird and awkward when in reality they're just a couple of on the spectrum/autistic dudes who really love computers taking a picture. It seems like I'm actually generalising but I feel quite the opposite in that people are way too judgy of people in that regard. Even though Zuckerberg and Altman probably aren't the pillars of morality being the figureheads of massive companies, but I guess the insults come from a very human place and that should sting for everyone imo.
I really don't understand why they don't use professionals that are trained to talk in public, represent a product and sell it. The president of this country has his own people, so why not CEOs? Zuckerberg, Bezos, Musk and such are people who really suck at talking in public and hyping people up. The only guy who did it well was Steve Jobs. Even though he was also weird and did very odd things, but he was very good at talking to people.
His voice Urgh. I find him so hard to listen to... that vocal fry as I think they call it. Very Silicon Valley I believe but yeh I agree... something not quite right with the way he talks all in all... would love to see what goes on behind the scenes!
This is what hype sounds like. The next major release may or may not be impressive, but this is definitely what hype sounds like.
Y’know, the thing about a CEO.. He’s got lifeless eyes, black eyes, like a *doll’s* eyes. When he comes after ya, he doesn’t seem to be livin’ at all..
so you are making 20$ per month for each user on a dumb model ?? 
Well, as far as I am concerned, I’ve already been blown away many times by chat GPT 4. I just love it. I have never in my life received so many helpful and truthful answers to the questions that I have asked. No human being would ever answer me to my face what chat GPT does.
After using it for something harder than “how’s the weather” like data analysis it is actually really fucking stupid. You have to point out every little error it makes for it to fix itself and sometimes it flat out refuses to change errors. 90% of the time it works fine but that 10% makes it no better than the previous models it was built upon.
Yeah it's great for simple text generation, giving ideas, but detailed analysis? Last night I was trying to make it analyse the results of a survey with 22 responses from Google form exported to a spreadsheet. It was too much for it, just couldn't do it at an acceptable level. That was pretty basic
Claude3 works a lot better at this. Analyzing CSVs or tables. Even images of charts since it's multi-modal. But if you start asking it to help design something math/sciencey it can be very wrong. For example I was trying to come up with an embedding scheme for some URIs. To turn a directory into a numerical vector. It was just wrong, and then wrong, and wrong. The solution wouldn't meet the specs. It's eager to be wrong though and will check it's work. However often it's solution is then wrong again. We need a human in the loop for these AIs and I don't see that changing anytime soon. The hallucinations and wrong science/math and wrong facts at times mean the output needs to be vetted by experts. They do save a lot of time though.
I was cursing it out last night while having it help with regrex … like it was being dumb and relatively wrong on purpose
Well as someone who wanted to be convinced to subscribe after deeply exploring chat-gpt4 and didn’t, I look forward to a competent system because honestly it’s cool but honestly lame af.
How would future models even get better if they can’t get the same quality data as old ones? Now the internet is filled with AI content, so future models would mostly train on what the old ones made, no?
Billions of people will talk with it in the near future. It will not only read text, but have watched every video ever published on the internet and humans aren't going to stop publishing videos for a long time.
> Now the internet is filled with AI content, so future models would mostly train on what the old ones made, no? I guess people have to be reminded that these things called "books" exist. Not to mention newspapers, scientific journals, the entire internet archive pre-2023... Also the implied assumption that AI can't learn from other AI. We don't necessarily want much of this to happen, but the corpus of knowledge fed into AI training will be filtered, and most of the bad AI will be ignored or very lightly weighted compared to highly linked, highly cited, more impactful sources. AI that's good enough to achieve this standard wouldn't be bad to train on. The best AI-produced writing is a lot better than the worst human produced.
AI marketing/simps: The rapture is coming and it will be awesome. We are not there yet and there’s some steps missing but AI will figure it out. True believers will be lifted up and everybody will have UBI. Hallelujah.
/r/singularity in a nutshell.
I'm still using GPT-3.5
you have reached your limit of inquiries new responses will be dumber
Ship it, sama!
Marketing BS. Everyone is still buying into the exponential growth crap even though all evidence is screaming the exact opposite. Companies are running out of training data and it takes exponentially more data and compute for incremental improvements over current models. There is no doubt that it will literally be better, but it will not be a quantum leap that is taking jobs and handling most tasks for humans. They literally used existential fears to drive hype for the product, then lobbied the government to entrench their own position and are now disparaging it to build hype for the next release. I love ChatGPT as a tool and use it every single day, but it is just that a tool - with massive limitations like every other tool. This is like every tech company in the world where they tell you what will happen in a perfect world if every advancement comes to fruition and how it will usher in a utopia, but then when it doesnt Uber becomes cabs but more expensive, Netflix becomes cable with less content and adds, Airbnbs become expensive hotels you have to clean yourself etc. Chat is going to become a useful search engine that is infinitely more helpful than google for certain queries but you also will have to pay for it when they start to pass on the extreme costs to consumers. Dont be surprised when top models end up costing far more than $20 a month for far more limited use once they capture significant market share.
He sounds more and more like Elon...
Not really a fair comparison. Elon promises shit all the time and always delivers garbage. OpenAI really hasn't undelivered yet.
So all his paying customers are getting the “dumbest” model that is mildly embarrassing. Can this be categorised as scam?
how tf do you guys keep eating this up, terminal hype addiction
Part of me is wary given the whole self driving car craze. After autopilot we expected robotaxis and yet here we are. Maybe gpt also has diminishing returns going forward given publicly available data sources have been already consumed
Large Language Models can't understand fundamental concepts like truth or qualita "redness of the red", they're not analogical intelligent like humans, I think we can all chill out about "AI exponential growth", things like video generation will for sure be realistic and fast, automatic cars too, but things like AI making new scientific discoveries by themselves I don't it's happening soon
The moderator was so annoying. And you could see Sam get progressively irritated by him. He was honestly just there for the students.
That’s nice. So anyways… 
Factually incorrect. Dumber models will exist and we be applied a lot where full scale models are not applicable. Sam took a lot of chapters from Elon's playbook though with these overinflated statements. It's ok to have them, just remember that fully autonomous driving for Teslas was initially promised to arrive in 2012.
Language models have no intelligence. It's a powerful tool that we're just learning how to properly use. Hallucinations and bias in LLM is the main and huge obstacle right now.
Well 5 can't be much better, if it is then it is agi.
What? Isn't an AGI basically human intelligence in a software? GPT4 is nowhere near human intelligence when it comes to actual problem solving.
Correct, because ChatGPT 5 coming this summer is gonna be epic...not sure exactly how, because ChatGPT 4 at its current state is epic.
What even is 5 supposed to be like or how will it be different and better? I hope it’s not too much to ask for it to be less restrictive and censored. Or be better at writing and accurately answering requests.
Read **aims to deliver outputs that are not only more reliable but also significantly more accurate**. The core focus of these enhancements is expected to be on minimizing errors, bolstering consistency across various tasks, and refining the model's ability to interact with users in more sophisticated and nuanced ways.
Gotcha. Nice to see that, hope it comes true! As Gemini’s writing feels so much more real in comparison to GPT’s robotic writing. What have they said about restrictions and censorship and all? I’ve felt that Gemini isn’t nearly as bad as GPT-4 with this. And where can I read more on 5? And when does it drop?
We don't know. That guy just read marketing material back at you.
That is a humble-brag. If GPT-4 is the dumbest model any of us will ever have to use again. What does this say about all the other models that barely come close to the performance of GPT-4?
That they're potentially years behind OpenAI. I do wonder how OpenAI got so ahead of the curve if that's the case. Must have had some really good talent.
Okay Sam, so when's the next model coming out then and will it be available in the EU as well?
I sure hope so 👏👏
Worry not. Sam had not taken his usual medication that day. This is such a weird time. I'm back from Gates and Jobs battling and saying they were the best and their stuff was unbeatable. Can't imagine Jobs (& Woz), Gates, even Ellison saying anything like that. Apparently it works today.
Anyone with full link please? thank you!
I’m guessing that GPT-2 model we got a quick look at was actually GPT-5 and that it’s going to be revealed as a plot twist later in this arc
Well then ship early and often. Where is 5?
Feel to me like gpt 4 is getting dumer every few weeks.
Taken literally this means nothing other than promising the next models won’t be worse.
What’s the best one to subscribe to these days?
I hope GPT-whatever will dig up this interview and remember SA for the ungrateful jerk he is.
I wish that were true, but it's so slow that I have to use GPT 35 for many use cases.
Hey don’t call My friend Al dumb!
Has anyone validated whether this is real or AI? It's close to exactly what someone would generate for fun.
Thank goodness, I’m not alone
Idk what’s more annoying, if companies creating basic functions with just OpenAI’s api, or “newsletters” you have to subscribe and pay for.
This is the worst Juicero model you’ll ever have to use
Is he alive?
Um... he looks kinda... robotic.. eh?...
So we are paying $20 a month for the dumbest model :)
Just tell chat gpt 4 to make itself smarter then.
That comment implies that 4 will become free. The dumbest model anyone will ever have to use will be the free one.
So fucking true, Ship early and feedback heavy
So 5 is coming right…..right?
A new marketing tactic has been invented.
I’d hope so. Why would this not be the case? “We plan on making the updated models worse” is the alternative.
This doesn't make sense. Yes, there will be many more advanced models tomorrow, and the day after. But there will definitely be worse models tomorrow then there are today. The history of technology is a history of value engineering (making things cheaper), as much as it a history of RnD (making new things). Now that we know what the best is, and what the minimum viable models are for different applications, and what it takes to change between them, companies will start pushing barely-functional models. The same way they push cars that break down 10k miles after warranty expires, and phones that have 10Mb of memory to spare. A few years ago, electric cars were a niche luxury, and a few years before that, smartphones were a niche luxury. Now we're seeing falling EV prices, and phone prices have already raced to the bottom (for better, and for worse). LLMs are LARGE, among the most compute-intensive applications available to consumers, and companies hate paying for all that compute power. So, they are going to try cut them down, save the cost, focus them, and make them too dumb to trick. Much like cheap smartphones, a lot of this will be for good; giving most or all of the desired value without the cost of unnecessary features/intelligence. But it also means companies who want to cut corners will find out exactly how many they can cut without losing customers.
Shouldnt do interviews. It ruins the facade. Interesting how similar Sam's bio is to another disruptive "too smart" for Stanford tech CEO. At this point, they arent even trying to hide it anymore.
I guess I need more than something as useful as GPT-3.5? What else do I need it to do for me? Maybe have really really specific information about objects? Like part numbers, known failure points, etc etc. basically talk to me like a certified tech x100
Bruh, why?😎
You say this and then get an A+ on your essay by using chat GPT.
He's quite confident to shit on his own model because he knows he has another huge breakthrough up his sleeve.
Dude looks like he hasn't gotten a lot of sleep.
the big reveal is that sam is actually a robot running solely on 5
I don't believe him. Tired of these tech CEO's over-promising.
Bro looks like a ai bot
This interview was disturbing. I’m happy with a CEO who has confidence with his products but also his tone seemed a little bit like grandeur, absolute certainty. And I am beggining to see why he was ousted the first time. I really liked Sam before this but now I’m beggining to doubt his intentions.