In Gunn's case, I'm sure it's all on purpose. Whilst you can never lockdown outdoor filming, WBD hasn't put up many barriers for the photographers to get these shots & has even had cast members use them in social posts.
Whilst unlikely, I wouldn't put it past Gunn to film some scenes outdoors, that he has no intention of using, just to generate incorrect rumours.
Having stayed at the hotel next to where it was being shot, I can confirm:
1. There’s a spaceship that lands in midtown Metropolis
2. We know some of the heroes involved (Mr. Terrific, Guy Gardner, etc.) and that Maxwell Lord is involved somehow with that team due to their uniforms
3. Superman and Lois are going to fly through the roof of the [Arcade](https://www.theclevelandarcade.com) in a final scene (Heard this from an employee of the hotel)
4. It’s adult versions of Lois and Superman so hopefully no re-hashing of origin
5. Supergirl has a big role (possibly with Lois and Clark in a “parenting” role (my guess is that it’s Kara’s ship crashing, but that’s just my opinion)
I see folks here and on Threads still arguing about this. Notice the question was responding to the film being "irrevocably spoiled," and Gunn replies that he'd never shoot a "big spoiler" outside.
He's not saying that are *no* spoilers from the pics, obviously there are spoilers there. He's just saying that there's nothing so big that it would ruin the whole movie if you know it in advance.
Like, okay, we know that at some point there's going to be some kind of major property destruction in Metropolis, in which Superman is working with Mr. Terrific. We know the Daily Planet staff will be taken on a ride in Mr. Terrific's T-ship. We know that at some point Rick Flagg is going to take Superman into custody with the help of some U.S. soldiers, The Engineer and some man in a big black suit with a U on its chest. These are spoilers, but are they big spoiler? Enough to irrevocably spoil the whole film? We don't know until we see the scenes in context.
We don't know exactly what causes the destruction in Metropolis, or why Flagg is arresting Superman, nor why Superman appears to be going along with it, and how does he get out of it? We can speculate the same about the scenes where the Superman suit appears to be a little darker, but, according to Gunn, none of these things are big enough to spoil the film, so that's why he's not bothered or trying harder to hide it.
It would be like that movie SIGNS. Sure, it's a spoiler to tell you that Mel Gibson fights an alien in the end, but it's not irrevocably spoiled unless I tell you in advance that he beats the alien because it turns out that the alien is burned by regular water. So I assume Gunn is saving those equivalent scenes for private in-studio shoots.
>Are you a Grace Randolf fan per chance?
I got and liked that Superbia comicbook series she wrote a few years ago. But I don't watch her Youtube reviews.
I read James Gunn's website a lot back in the late 2000s/early 2010s and he actually once wrote a whole blog about what he didn't and didn't consider a spoiler, instigated by complaints he received about mentioning an episode of The Walking Dead to the extent that Rooker's character didn't die in the newest one. I remember some discussion of a big explosion in Game of Thrones and the results of competitive reality shows.
Sidenote... can we please stop calling them "leaks". They aren't leaks, that's why Gunn said he fully expected them. It's not a leak when they're filming in public and someone can just take a photo from the street or their apartment window.
A "leak" would be something that came out of a closed set, indoors.
Agree to disagree on that one. This is the definition of "leak":
>an intentional disclosure of something secret or private.
"Public" is the opposite of "private". That's why to me it can't be a leak. When you're filming out in public in a big city, you're not being secret or private.
Now if they're inside a closed studio in Atlanta and a crew member takes photos and posts them online, without WB or Gunn's approval, that would be a leak.
If it ain’t official it’s a spoiler at worst and set pics at best imo. Leak in the middle
My point is it needs some kind of label as well as spoiler blocker considering many people don’t want to see anything minus a trailer, if even that. So a separate category name is needed and I consider it a leak 🤷
I think a leak is information behind closed doors, and also usually provided by the inner circle. If someone on the set released information, it's a way bigger deal than someone snapping some pictures off the side of a public location set.
Lol what. It’s most definitely a leak Just because it’s shooting in public doesn’t mean that this information was meant to get out. That’s what a leak is when something that’s not supposed to get out gets out like a leak in a Pipe.
It drives me nuts when people conflate cameos or character appearances with spoilers. Spoilers are theme and plot based. Yes you can get an idea based on the characters but these guys can also be reinvented. All we have seen is people who have been announced in the movie ahead of time or scenes that would make sense.
For example both MCU Mantis and Adam Warlock are completely different from comics Mantis and Warlock (at least pre Gotg2/3)
To be fair, no ones upset about the plot, they’re upset about the costumes. Personally, i like all the costumes except green lanterns. I think that one looks like absolute dog shit
Yeah, I always found that a bit weird. Like I am not sitting through a whole movie to just get to the end haha I mean it‘s nice to go in blind and see a satisfying conclusion but I am also not just drinking a delicious cocktail to just finish it
Personally, I would think that there being two suits would be a bit of a spoiler, especially if allegedly one of them is the main villain... that could be a big spoiler for the movie
Again, I don't have a problem with it, and I don't necessarily see a big deal behind it, I just think what James Gunn said concerning this and the possibility of there being two suits, whether it is David Corenswet wearing one suit and then a different suit later, or a villain who looks like Superman, therein lies the conundrum
It's possible that >!there being two Supermen!< is not actually a spoiler, and will instead be something they focus on in marketing, so it's not worth hiding. (And >!Gunn's reveal shot being of "evil" Superman!< was a hint of that.)
I could be wrong but I feel like this "spoiler" will seem really silly in retrospect, like when people thought the Cloverfield teaser trailer had info in it that gave away it was a Voltron movie.
From what I've seen on SHH, most of them are already aware that >!there is going to be an evil Superman in the film based on Corsenswet's blonde eyebrows.!< The suit distinction in those specific shots is a separate point (But one I agree with you on).
I don't think it is a spoiler, it's just comparing two pictures with one another... and if I knew how to post the link with the picture showing, i'd show that, sadly I don't know how to do that with Imgur
Yes, I deleted it because other set photos were released, and the suit is actually the same suit, it's just really, really dirty. Thank you for making this post, I will edit it accordingly
These two pictures put side to side to show the differences and the possibility that these are two different suits... if you look at the arms in both pictures you will see that they are in direct sunlight, and one is definitely darker than the other. Also, look at the belts, the belt design is exceedingly different from one another
While one belt while is bright in the hue, the material itself is matte, and it does not directly reflect light... the other one is of a different material, because of the way it reflects the light that is around it, it has of a more shiny/metallic feel look to it, something that the official suit belt does not have
Just earlier, I shared another picture that was released today, they actually are the same suit, the one that's darker is indeed dirty... which gives me pause, it makes me really think about what type of material they use for the suit, because in order for it to get that dirty, it has to be a very absorbent material
There's also a possibility that the pictures were uploaded on the net intentionally to keep the hype. I mean it's done for various movies. So its nothing new.
As far as I know, he made some pretty tasteless jokes on Twitter (about things that should never be joked about) well over a decade ago. When those tweets resurfaced, though, he didn't deny anything, he admitted the jokes were in poor taste, and he apologized.
I mean with the set leaks you confirmed the Ultraman rumours which he tried to deny with bullshit/strawman arguments. What is his "big suprise" ? That Ultraman is a Superman clone and Cornswet plays 2 roles ? Superman and Ultraman ? Thats the big suprise ? Thats not a suprise if I see it
Why should DC fans be bitter and hesitant about new DC movies? Well, let's take a stroll down memory lane. We've been through a rollercoaster of botched storylines, inconsistent character portrayals, and catastrophic CGI (looking at you, mustache-gate). It's like they have a checklist for screwing things up. New director? Great! But will they follow the comic lore or take another "creative" detour that leaves us all scratching our heads? Doesn't matter who they hire; we’ve been burnt too many times. Fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, well, you get the picture. Until DC proves they can deliver a solid, coherent universe, the skepticism is well-earned.
I don't know where to start with this. You understand that this is an entirely different 'regime' right? DC is now its own studio, with its own structure.
This is the same as saying you won't go to a new restaurant down the street because the previous restaurant at that place served horrible food. It just doesn't follow!
It's pretty clear that you *want* it to flop. Why? Do you expect it to be bad and its failure would validate that opinion, since it flopping would mean most others didn't think it looked good enough to see either? Would it flopping make you happier than if you liked the movie?
And really, what's even been leaked? The fact that Superman is in the movie
How about the latest image? Superman can actually fly.
What the hell is James Gunn doing? Superman can fly now? I've only ever seen him make giant leaps.
He flies now!
He flies now?
...He flies now.
They fly now!
Shim flies now.
Frank Miller's Batman is hilarious about this, "he doesn't even know he can fly" with a drawing of Superman running across the ocean.
If you really knew the character, you would know he hasn't really changed him at all
Captain America waking up in 2025 and this is the first Superman media he’s seen since 1940
Donner’s Superman picked up a truck as a toddler, then leaned to run fast, until he flew as an adult, which is the responsible thing to do
Just wait till people find out he's an alien.
Noooo! They can't do this 😤
Or until they find out the S actually means hope
I thought it meant Sex Dispenser?
Depends on the universe
* spoilers!! *
The spoiler tag exists for a reason wtf
I thought that was a bird!
Can’t believe they’re not using Smallville as inspiration for this smh my head 🤦
Well true. At this point I'm drastically scaling back my social presence to avoid much more. I already know half of the damn Deadpool movie already
I for one didn't know Clark Kent was Superman, I still am in disbelief
I had no idea Rick Flag Snr was in the movie.
I wouldn't necessarily consider this a major spoiler
Dude spoilers!
its almost as if they do this on purpose to bait "leakers" to give them free marketing and discussion
In Gunn's case, I'm sure it's all on purpose. Whilst you can never lockdown outdoor filming, WBD hasn't put up many barriers for the photographers to get these shots & has even had cast members use them in social posts. Whilst unlikely, I wouldn't put it past Gunn to film some scenes outdoors, that he has no intention of using, just to generate incorrect rumours.
Naw stop lying! You lying right? Tell me you lying.?.
Why would he lie?
Having stayed at the hotel next to where it was being shot, I can confirm: 1. There’s a spaceship that lands in midtown Metropolis 2. We know some of the heroes involved (Mr. Terrific, Guy Gardner, etc.) and that Maxwell Lord is involved somehow with that team due to their uniforms 3. Superman and Lois are going to fly through the roof of the [Arcade](https://www.theclevelandarcade.com) in a final scene (Heard this from an employee of the hotel) 4. It’s adult versions of Lois and Superman so hopefully no re-hashing of origin 5. Supergirl has a big role (possibly with Lois and Clark in a “parenting” role (my guess is that it’s Kara’s ship crashing, but that’s just my opinion)
I mean it certainly looks like the main physical threat has been revealed.
Or so you think
I see folks here and on Threads still arguing about this. Notice the question was responding to the film being "irrevocably spoiled," and Gunn replies that he'd never shoot a "big spoiler" outside. He's not saying that are *no* spoilers from the pics, obviously there are spoilers there. He's just saying that there's nothing so big that it would ruin the whole movie if you know it in advance. Like, okay, we know that at some point there's going to be some kind of major property destruction in Metropolis, in which Superman is working with Mr. Terrific. We know the Daily Planet staff will be taken on a ride in Mr. Terrific's T-ship. We know that at some point Rick Flagg is going to take Superman into custody with the help of some U.S. soldiers, The Engineer and some man in a big black suit with a U on its chest. These are spoilers, but are they big spoiler? Enough to irrevocably spoil the whole film? We don't know until we see the scenes in context. We don't know exactly what causes the destruction in Metropolis, or why Flagg is arresting Superman, nor why Superman appears to be going along with it, and how does he get out of it? We can speculate the same about the scenes where the Superman suit appears to be a little darker, but, according to Gunn, none of these things are big enough to spoil the film, so that's why he's not bothered or trying harder to hide it. It would be like that movie SIGNS. Sure, it's a spoiler to tell you that Mel Gibson fights an alien in the end, but it's not irrevocably spoiled unless I tell you in advance that he beats the alien because it turns out that the alien is burned by regular water. So I assume Gunn is saving those equivalent scenes for private in-studio shoots.
What a coincidence! Yesterday someone asked me to watch the movie Signs and you just spoiled it. I have never seen Signs mentioned in Reddit before.
Have you seen The Crying Game? That chick is really a dude.
Have you seen Titanic? The ship sinks.
Well now you're just being mean.
Prince of Tides? Not about Aquaman.
WHICH TITANTIC MOVIE?! There are, a handful or more! it's a lazy joke.
You could say that the Cameron one is only the tip of the iceberg
Eh, barely. Ayyyyyyyyyy.... There are far better Titanic movies before his, IMO
It's like in that movie The Sixth Sense, you find out that the dude in the hairpiece--that's Bruce Willis the whole time!
Are you a Grace Randolf fan per chance? Great nuisanced take
>Are you a Grace Randolf fan per chance? I got and liked that Superbia comicbook series she wrote a few years ago. But I don't watch her Youtube reviews.
I read James Gunn's website a lot back in the late 2000s/early 2010s and he actually once wrote a whole blog about what he didn't and didn't consider a spoiler, instigated by complaints he received about mentioning an episode of The Walking Dead to the extent that Rooker's character didn't die in the newest one. I remember some discussion of a big explosion in Game of Thrones and the results of competitive reality shows.
Not to mention most people have been just discussing their dislike for the costumes, not spoilers
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Sidenote... can we please stop calling them "leaks". They aren't leaks, that's why Gunn said he fully expected them. It's not a leak when they're filming in public and someone can just take a photo from the street or their apartment window. A "leak" would be something that came out of a closed set, indoors.
He literally did a peace sign lol
It’s a leak if it’s not official imo, and this might technically be true as well
Agree to disagree on that one. This is the definition of "leak": >an intentional disclosure of something secret or private. "Public" is the opposite of "private". That's why to me it can't be a leak. When you're filming out in public in a big city, you're not being secret or private. Now if they're inside a closed studio in Atlanta and a crew member takes photos and posts them online, without WB or Gunn's approval, that would be a leak.
If it ain’t official it’s a spoiler at worst and set pics at best imo. Leak in the middle My point is it needs some kind of label as well as spoiler blocker considering many people don’t want to see anything minus a trailer, if even that. So a separate category name is needed and I consider it a leak 🤷
Yeah, "unofficial" is a good word I think.
Are we really discussing over if the appropriate word is "leak"?
I think a leak is information behind closed doors, and also usually provided by the inner circle. If someone on the set released information, it's a way bigger deal than someone snapping some pictures off the side of a public location set.
Lol what. It’s most definitely a leak Just because it’s shooting in public doesn’t mean that this information was meant to get out. That’s what a leak is when something that’s not supposed to get out gets out like a leak in a Pipe.
Do you even understand what a leak is.
Do you lol
Ehh youre being pedantic. Is it stuff released early without the consent of marketing or the creator? Then its a leak
It’s still a set leak.
Obviously, I swear the amount of people who just don’t use their brain currently is mind boggling.
It drives me nuts when people conflate cameos or character appearances with spoilers. Spoilers are theme and plot based. Yes you can get an idea based on the characters but these guys can also be reinvented. All we have seen is people who have been announced in the movie ahead of time or scenes that would make sense. For example both MCU Mantis and Adam Warlock are completely different from comics Mantis and Warlock (at least pre Gotg2/3)
But now we know that at some point Superman lifts something up above his head! I wanted to go in fresh!
Love or hate Gunn he's been directing a long time. He knows what he's doing from an industry POV.
Plot twist: everyone shooting outside are holograms to distract you from his inside movie
I wouldn't call a photo of superman in the superman film a leak. 🤣
Maybe the majority of the scenes they shot are the ones he is going to include in the trailers.
Bingo. Or even the beginning of the film just like in bad boys when they shot the outdoor scenes
It makes me wonder if the "Ultraman" that we saw was just Midnighter...
I thought it was (mostly) agreed that he is actually Ulysses?
I don't think so. Looks more like Ultraman or Black Noir
I mean besides the U symbol, I don't get how he looks more like Ultraman than Ulysses 😅
I mean, I’m not surprised he fully expected it. It’s practically a standard these days.
I never knew Superman could fly. Why have you spoiled the movie for everyone? /s
True; so we know what the city looks like...a little bit of a Grant Morrison approach (not bad)
Its to help get people talking and it's kinda like advertising in a way 😜
How about those complaining have some self control and just don’t look at the spoilers
To be fair, no ones upset about the plot, they’re upset about the costumes. Personally, i like all the costumes except green lanterns. I think that one looks like absolute dog shit
The base rollella exiexpecde =with spariaingraph If I understood you a question in Spanish, could you tell me it? bye
If knowing how a movie ends completely ruins a movie then the journey isn't worth the destination
Yeah, I always found that a bit weird. Like I am not sitting through a whole movie to just get to the end haha I mean it‘s nice to go in blind and see a satisfying conclusion but I am also not just drinking a delicious cocktail to just finish it
Edit: upon further set photo releases, the photo that I shared is indeed the same suit, it's just very, very dirty
So what there is two suits? Is that all there is to this spoiler or am I missing something?
It’s the same suit. https://i.imgur.com/YMlkVbI.jpeg[/img]
why is superman crushing a little girls skull this is darker than the snyderverse /s
Personally, I would think that there being two suits would be a bit of a spoiler, especially if allegedly one of them is the main villain... that could be a big spoiler for the movie Again, I don't have a problem with it, and I don't necessarily see a big deal behind it, I just think what James Gunn said concerning this and the possibility of there being two suits, whether it is David Corenswet wearing one suit and then a different suit later, or a villain who looks like Superman, therein lies the conundrum
It's possible that >!there being two Supermen!< is not actually a spoiler, and will instead be something they focus on in marketing, so it's not worth hiding. (And >!Gunn's reveal shot being of "evil" Superman!< was a hint of that.)
That's definitely a possibility
I could be wrong but I feel like this "spoiler" will seem really silly in retrospect, like when people thought the Cloverfield teaser trailer had info in it that gave away it was a Voltron movie.
This has been known
Apparently, not everyone knows this, because I also frequent the SuperHero Hype forms, and they're all utterly convinced that it's the same suit
From what I've seen on SHH, most of them are already aware that >!there is going to be an evil Superman in the film based on Corsenswet's blonde eyebrows.!< The suit distinction in those specific shots is a separate point (But one I agree with you on).
What's the spoiler here?
I don't think it is a spoiler, it's just comparing two pictures with one another... and if I knew how to post the link with the picture showing, i'd show that, sadly I don't know how to do that with Imgur
I stand corrected. [https://imgur.com/YMlkVbI](https://imgur.com/YMlkVbI)
is that zod wearing yellow about to get his neck snapped again
Says it's deleted 🤔
Yes, I deleted it because other set photos were released, and the suit is actually the same suit, it's just really, really dirty. Thank you for making this post, I will edit it accordingly
Ahh, no worries. I was excited to see whatever it was 😁
If you want to see more of those set photos, I would recommend checking out the SuperHero Hype forums
Cheers, thanks
What am I looking at there?
These two pictures put side to side to show the differences and the possibility that these are two different suits... if you look at the arms in both pictures you will see that they are in direct sunlight, and one is definitely darker than the other. Also, look at the belts, the belt design is exceedingly different from one another While one belt while is bright in the hue, the material itself is matte, and it does not directly reflect light... the other one is of a different material, because of the way it reflects the light that is around it, it has of a more shiny/metallic feel look to it, something that the official suit belt does not have
Or just look at the fact that one has the symbol and one doesn’t.
I can't tell if the darker suit has the symbol or not... the shadows don't give a lot of detail
There are such things as stunt suits which are used in movies that are not always as finely detailed as the suites they use for close ups.
Just earlier, I shared another picture that was released today, they actually are the same suit, the one that's darker is indeed dirty... which gives me pause, it makes me really think about what type of material they use for the suit, because in order for it to get that dirty, it has to be a very absorbent material
There's also a possibility that the pictures were uploaded on the net intentionally to keep the hype. I mean it's done for various movies. So its nothing new.
It is pretty convenient that set photos leaked when the suit reveal dropped and got backlash. I would not be surprised if it was intended.
Yea, to gauge how the mass feels about the suit and whether David is coming around as Supes well enough.
Fuck yeah James Gunn!
I think the fact I now know Superman is in the Superman movie has ruined the experience
Gunn is such a silly prankster guy. From this 'fake' filming to making jokes about molesting little boys. Gunn is always up to something.
lol, I keep seeing them described as leaks and they’re not. Photos taken by the public on a location shoot aren’t leaks.
Why does he respond to these people. I’ll never understand.
Why not?
Is James Gunn a POS? Like, he did some pretty awful stuff, right?
As far as I know, he made some pretty tasteless jokes on Twitter (about things that should never be joked about) well over a decade ago. When those tweets resurfaced, though, he didn't deny anything, he admitted the jokes were in poor taste, and he apologized.
Is that really a good rule to have? Never filming a spoiler in public means nothing important in your movies can.. be outside?
Surprisingly, studios have actually figured out how to make outdoor shots that aren’t filmed in the middle of an actual city block.
Phew. So we are SUPPOSED to think these are lame. That's a relief.
I mean with the set leaks you confirmed the Ultraman rumours which he tried to deny with bullshit/strawman arguments. What is his "big suprise" ? That Ultraman is a Superman clone and Cornswet plays 2 roles ? Superman and Ultraman ? Thats the big suprise ? Thats not a suprise if I see it
I love James Gunn
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People on Reddit are so bitter jfc 😭
Why should DC fans be bitter and hesitant about new DC movies? Well, let's take a stroll down memory lane. We've been through a rollercoaster of botched storylines, inconsistent character portrayals, and catastrophic CGI (looking at you, mustache-gate). It's like they have a checklist for screwing things up. New director? Great! But will they follow the comic lore or take another "creative" detour that leaves us all scratching our heads? Doesn't matter who they hire; we’ve been burnt too many times. Fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, well, you get the picture. Until DC proves they can deliver a solid, coherent universe, the skepticism is well-earned.
I don't know where to start with this. You understand that this is an entirely different 'regime' right? DC is now its own studio, with its own structure. This is the same as saying you won't go to a new restaurant down the street because the previous restaurant at that place served horrible food. It just doesn't follow!
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It's pretty clear that you *want* it to flop. Why? Do you expect it to be bad and its failure would validate that opinion, since it flopping would mean most others didn't think it looked good enough to see either? Would it flopping make you happier than if you liked the movie?
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Why is your heart so full of hate? Would it not be better to have hope?
Why would I have hope when DC worships Marvel lol