This right here. Americans forget that pre-government oversight, a crippling workplace injury meant **both** that you were out of work *and* that any compensation you received was entirely based on the goodwill and decency of the business owners.
In England, some point after the war, workplace injuries actually had a severe negative impact on the country's profits . The HSE was founded because of the dire need for it. If a worker gets injured, he goes from being someone who contributes to the economy, to someone that drains money from it.
This is an entirely valid point, but as I’ve gotten older I’ve been increasing uncomfortable framing my personal anti-capitalism through a capitalist lense.
Safety saves businesses money because of regulation penalties, and are good for the overall economic health of a nation because they avoid “creating” people that are less effective workers compared to when they started.
All those words though are just using capitalism to justify what should be basic moral behavior (don’t favor profits over worker safety, permanent injuries are bad, etc). And yet, in practice, they absolutely *require* government oversight before they’re put into practice, because unregulated capitalism will go so far as to devour itself if given the chance. If worker safety truly, **truly** made a company more money, then it would be the norm even in the absence of regulation.
All that said, that’s me playing moral philosopher. If workplaces *genuinely* become safer as a result of the mindset that it’s a net gain for the company, then I’d be an idiotic idealistic to not call that a win.
The dynamic is completely different in a welfare state Vs a non welfare state.
In a welfare state unemployed people are very expensive, you have to provide for them. So the consequences are much higher.
In a non-welfare state, you can just throw them on the street, and not mind if they die.
The case for the UK was that workplace accidents became too expensive for the state to carry. They didn't implement health and safety (HSE) for the workers, they did it for the country.
It is more about training, and education. How to avoid accidents from happening, how to spot hazards that might cause accidents. And most important of all, if your boss tells you to do something dangerous, refuse to do it.
Now the HSE (health and safety executive) are making inspections, and can shut places down. But at least in construction, it is more about making sure the workers have the knowledge to avoid injuries.
If there is a serious accident on a site, it's total shit for the contractors as well. Most things that make a workplace safer do not affect efficiency. Wearing steel toes and a hardhat does not make you work slower. Neither does housekeeping. (Tidying)
But the boss said they'll totally look after us like we're family. They just can't do that if it's written down on paper or if someone actually makes them because that makes it impossible... Somehow.
The amount of TikTok tool demos from foreign nations I see with people missing fingers and toes tell me your wrong.
Yeah, losing a foot means losing your job. But they're not sending you home for losing one digit
They will still work with missing toes and fingers because there is no workers comp insurance or salary protection or union there. They stop working when they really can't work anymore due to totally debilitating injury or death.
It's due to lawsuits. Sure, many people do dangerous things at work while others are just plain stupid. Needless to say you can apply these safety measures anywhere around the world. It won't hurt.
Safety requirements are overblown till someone loses an arm. I used to work in a factory that straight up viewed OSHA as a enemy. Meanwhile we had machines that were 40 years old that would take your arm in a second. There was suppose to be plexiglass barriers and sensors but those broke long ago and whenever OSHA would get called those machines were removed from the floor and put right back in once they left. The response I got from management was that "you would have to be stupid to get hurt". This was the same person who came out to a active factory floor with high heels on and tried to fire me after I told her she needs to leave.
Corporations would love for people to think OSHA is overblown but it simply is not . Every single one of their rules were written in blood and it was not because of employees it was employers not viewing safety as the number one priority at a job, as the shill Mike Rowe puts it "Safety third not first".
I was a mechanic in a foundry in Denver, a huge place called Electron. The rumor was that they bribed the OSHA inspectors. Still, you couldn't clock in for work without steel-toed boots, a hard hat, eye protection, and a dust mask. It was fithy and dangerous, but I was making what would be $80K today. The place closed down and I got laid off, a victim of Reaganomincs. I didn't see where they ran the castings through an annealing oven to relieve stress. The first time they get hot, they're going to warp.
Sometimes, the other times they would see a machine tell us to red tag it till repairs, management (upper I was the floor manager for a shift) moved the machines to placate OSHA then as soon as they left they would rip the tags off and move the machine back out.
It's not really due to lawsuits so much as it due to insurance companies demanding it. If a worker in the US gets injured while performing their required duties while on the job, the employer will be liable for at least a portion of the cost for medical treatment and lost wages incurred due to workers compensation laws.
Because insurance companies ultimately pay those costs, they periodically send auditors to check jobsites for hazards and require them to be corrected. If the company doesn't do this they lose their workers comp policy. Without that a company won't be able to borrow money, or access lines of credit from most banks, and many other businesses require proof of a policy to interact with them as well for liability reasons.
On the flip side a safe company will have relatively cheap insurance premiums and in some cases gain preferential treatment when doing businesses with other companies.
I always thought it was really weird that a lot of people, including east Asians, harp on about how east Asian cultures are so much more collectivist and focused on the benefit of the group over the individual and the health of the community, but it seems like when it comes to anything to do with public safety (safety equipment at work, traffic laws, etc.) The most common response is "lol don't fuck up".
>OSHA was created for Americans. This is a more advanced civilization.
I'm pretty sure if you compare the work accident rate in similar industry between Western countries with OSHA equivalent and developing countries without, you'll have to change your mind about which is more advanced...
These workers are disposable. If they get hurt, they don't come back and another one is waiting to take his place. Crushing poverty makes people desperate.
I recently poured Bronze for a sculpture I made and even with all the thermal clothing and gloves etc the heat was almost unbearable. These guys poured hundreds of disks with bare feet and bare hands. Thats crazy.
Watched some other videos like this where they were making massive gears. Same thing, sandals or barefoot. On top of that to make the teeth of the gear they use a large scraper machine that has a flywheel spinning with no guards. During the entire process 3 kids were sitting on top of the machine inches away from the flywheel. These guys are on a whole other level
My wife speaks five languages. "Shits" is her stand-in word for any object that comes in multiples when she can't remember the word for it - often in English, which is her first language. "Laundry shits", for instance, are laundry detergent capsules. "Circle shits" are circular cotton pads. You get a pass on this one!
Labour is cheap but I bet this is too small of an operation to effectively scale those costs that low. That's probably an actual factory pumping out those rotors by the thousands in the same amount of time.
The mounts aren't the issue here. Either they fit or they don't. What I'm concerned about is the lack of any apparent QC to make sure the rotors are flat and level. Warped and uneven rotors can quickly ruin ball joints, tie rods, and steering stabilizers.
They turned them in a lathe, that should true up their shape. The sandcasting is overbuilt to leave material to be trimmed to a uniform shape. I'd just be more concerned with the metallurgy of the final product and what kind of consistent heating and cooling times and they are following. Brakes aren't the thing you want to crack under rapid heating.
These discs are very likely not going to be on the shelves at NAPA but will be used locally. You’re right about cracks being the main concern, warped discs are super obvious and you can still get the car back to the shop if you’re driving cautiously.
TBF it’s a minute and a half video with some steps missing I’m sure. I agree with the spirit. For all we know these are going into jallopies in bfe where all of that has been long shot and/or replaced with joints, rods, and stabilizers made from old McDs Big Mac styrofoam boxes and circuit city plastic bags
Let’s not forget about the metal alloy here. We saw them breaking up an engine block, but we all know they aren’t throwing out any other metal scraps they come across.
Might be talcum powder or some other equivalent for the moulds. Makes it so the sand on the halves don't stick so they can take the positive from the inside.
Yup. Its why baby powder is no longer made of talcum after the scandal a few years back. It turns out that its basically impossible to get rid of all of the asbestos from talc
Yes, they form in the same environment and cannot be separated on an economically viable scale.
Even worse is that you can't test for it easily since the formulas are so similar. You need to use microscopes to look at it and see the needle fibers.
Could be wollastonite powder. I work in an aluminium casthouse and we use it to seal cracks between the halfpipes and stop metal from sticking to things
A LEAN engineer would take one look at this and faint. Abhorrent that people do this work manually with little to no safety measures and likely near-zero wages.
Am Lean engineer. Am feeling woozy watching this. They're batching instead of using one piece flow!!
But for real, it makes me reconsider buying the cheapest parts. Someone is paying for it in blood and sweat and cancer.
The dude on the right at the end looks absolutely pitiful. Just, exhausted (he needs a brake...get it?) and underpaid. That must be the boss next to him, giving the thumbs up.
I wonder how much of that is sadness/exhaustion versus something cultural like looking serious on camera or putting on a serious face when you're being recorded. I'm sure doing work like that is tiring as fuck, but I see that expression in so many videos, like the egg shop one that is always floating around.
When that’s all you know and grew up doing this work from a kid, there is nothing else. He might look sad but ignorance is bliss in this situation. They just happy to have work
Tbh, it's both harrowing and commanding respect position to be foreman based on being oldest in the facility, when life expectancy is low.
"Beware of an old man in a profession where men usually die young"
My favorite saying regarding stuff like this is that 'All regulation is first written in the blood of those who would have been saved by it.' Seems applicable.
Seems like this process would be conducive to creating [inclusions](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inclusion_(mineral\)#Metallurgy) which could lead to premature failure.
Let alone controls on carbon content and other components needed for the right strength, flex and heat expansion and conduction characteristics. Disc brakes are precision parts.
IDK, maybe they have all the needed measurement equipment hidden in a backroom but the virality of these videos demands only the more primitive aspects.
Honestly, most of the videoed Indian manufacturing/remanufacturing isn't producing "Western" quality parts. They have Western quality factories over there to do the high quality work with cheaper labor.
Half the stuff in these videos is junk, but it's 5% of the cost of a high quality version, and that's good enough for most use cases.
The reality is that most modern Western parts are built to incredibly overkill standards. Any modern car that rolls off the line today can probably do 130+ mph on empty level ground safely. While that's great from a liability and safety perspective, it drives up cost to an insane degree.
For an truck in Mumbai traffic, where it's never going to go more than 45mph anyway, you just don't really need the high end part, and the side effects of a failure at low speed are much smaller than at high speed.
I wouldnt call it overkill. Western shit is made with the concept zero defect in mind. Not having to throw away shit because your processes are so tight.
This post reminds me of the importance of preserving traditional craftsmanship. While modern manufacturing processes have their benefits, there's something special about the uniqueness and character that handmade brake discs bring to a vehicle. It's a labor of love and a way to connect with the past.
/s
[here](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=62wezcfLNwU) is the full video, I have a strong suspicion that this does not actually work, to me, it seems like there are some really big gaps in the process. I suspect this channel is a machine shop version of those cake baking content farms with nonsensical instructions, or one of those channels that fakes building huge houses in the jungle with hand tools.
I dug in a bit and this channel posts duplicates of videos that are posted on other similar channels (Gentlemen Mechanics is one alt channel). Definitely appears to be a content farm. The Discovering Skills channel links to a Facebook account that says it is based in Dubai. They probably travel out to different areas and film content, then edit into eye-catching videos, spread copies all over a bunch of different social media accounts with tags and clickbait titles, and collect ad revenues. I'd be shocked if the parts manufactured in these videos ever leave the locales where they are produced. Likely this is best viewed as documents of ways of life in areas of extreme poverty, and we can only hope the people featured in the videos are being compensated. Likely the media group in Dubai is making a killing on ad revenues. I sent an email to them asking some questions about the whole process but I doubt I'll get a response.
There's so much wrong with this that I don't even know where to start, but not wearing gloves on the drill press, wearing something more sturdy than sandals in an industrial setting,....,and not buying these break discs would be a good start
Imagine living somewhere where this labor intensive process results in a product that is either cheaper or more available than the mass-produced rotors that are cranked out in a fraction of the time by machines.
Doing all that in open toe sandals is insane
Couple of guys were barefoot! Still had all their little piggys. I knew osha was over exaggerating!
In the words of James May," I'm assuming he's never gotten that wrong, as he has an entire right foot."
In the words of Mames Wey, "No.".
In the words of James May "Hello." 🌝
In the words of James May, “Oh, cock.”
In the words of James May, “Good news!”
in the words of James may "dacia sandero isn't coming to the UK" 😥
In the words of James May "cheese"
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You don't see anyone missing toes because they can't go to work if their feet are injured
This. The ones that diednor got dismembered are not present, they are at home or buried. Didn't make it to video shoot that day, lol
This right here. Americans forget that pre-government oversight, a crippling workplace injury meant **both** that you were out of work *and* that any compensation you received was entirely based on the goodwill and decency of the business owners.
In England, some point after the war, workplace injuries actually had a severe negative impact on the country's profits . The HSE was founded because of the dire need for it. If a worker gets injured, he goes from being someone who contributes to the economy, to someone that drains money from it.
This is an entirely valid point, but as I’ve gotten older I’ve been increasing uncomfortable framing my personal anti-capitalism through a capitalist lense. Safety saves businesses money because of regulation penalties, and are good for the overall economic health of a nation because they avoid “creating” people that are less effective workers compared to when they started. All those words though are just using capitalism to justify what should be basic moral behavior (don’t favor profits over worker safety, permanent injuries are bad, etc). And yet, in practice, they absolutely *require* government oversight before they’re put into practice, because unregulated capitalism will go so far as to devour itself if given the chance. If worker safety truly, **truly** made a company more money, then it would be the norm even in the absence of regulation. All that said, that’s me playing moral philosopher. If workplaces *genuinely* become safer as a result of the mindset that it’s a net gain for the company, then I’d be an idiotic idealistic to not call that a win.
The dynamic is completely different in a welfare state Vs a non welfare state. In a welfare state unemployed people are very expensive, you have to provide for them. So the consequences are much higher. In a non-welfare state, you can just throw them on the street, and not mind if they die. The case for the UK was that workplace accidents became too expensive for the state to carry. They didn't implement health and safety (HSE) for the workers, they did it for the country. It is more about training, and education. How to avoid accidents from happening, how to spot hazards that might cause accidents. And most important of all, if your boss tells you to do something dangerous, refuse to do it. Now the HSE (health and safety executive) are making inspections, and can shut places down. But at least in construction, it is more about making sure the workers have the knowledge to avoid injuries. If there is a serious accident on a site, it's total shit for the contractors as well. Most things that make a workplace safer do not affect efficiency. Wearing steel toes and a hardhat does not make you work slower. Neither does housekeeping. (Tidying)
That's what some want us to go back to
But the boss said they'll totally look after us like we're family. They just can't do that if it's written down on paper or if someone actually makes them because that makes it impossible... Somehow.
Even if it's written on paper the insurance company will fight it! Source; fighting it.
So... can we consider this another example of survivorship bias? Feels like it to me.
The amount of TikTok tool demos from foreign nations I see with people missing fingers and toes tell me your wrong. Yeah, losing a foot means losing your job. But they're not sending you home for losing one digit
They will still work with missing toes and fingers because there is no workers comp insurance or salary protection or union there. They stop working when they really can't work anymore due to totally debilitating injury or death.
OSHA was created for Americans. This is a more advanced civilization.
I grew up in Asia and was so shocked to see so many labels on common items and signs that should be common sense when I moved to the US
It's due to lawsuits. Sure, many people do dangerous things at work while others are just plain stupid. Needless to say you can apply these safety measures anywhere around the world. It won't hurt.
Safety requirements are overblown till someone loses an arm. I used to work in a factory that straight up viewed OSHA as a enemy. Meanwhile we had machines that were 40 years old that would take your arm in a second. There was suppose to be plexiglass barriers and sensors but those broke long ago and whenever OSHA would get called those machines were removed from the floor and put right back in once they left. The response I got from management was that "you would have to be stupid to get hurt". This was the same person who came out to a active factory floor with high heels on and tried to fire me after I told her she needs to leave. Corporations would love for people to think OSHA is overblown but it simply is not . Every single one of their rules were written in blood and it was not because of employees it was employers not viewing safety as the number one priority at a job, as the shill Mike Rowe puts it "Safety third not first".
I was a mechanic in a foundry in Denver, a huge place called Electron. The rumor was that they bribed the OSHA inspectors. Still, you couldn't clock in for work without steel-toed boots, a hard hat, eye protection, and a dust mask. It was fithy and dangerous, but I was making what would be $80K today. The place closed down and I got laid off, a victim of Reaganomincs. I didn't see where they ran the castings through an annealing oven to relieve stress. The first time they get hot, they're going to warp.
OSHA lets companies know in advance when they're doing an inspection?
Sometimes, the other times they would see a machine tell us to red tag it till repairs, management (upper I was the floor manager for a shift) moved the machines to placate OSHA then as soon as they left they would rip the tags off and move the machine back out.
It's not really due to lawsuits so much as it due to insurance companies demanding it. If a worker in the US gets injured while performing their required duties while on the job, the employer will be liable for at least a portion of the cost for medical treatment and lost wages incurred due to workers compensation laws. Because insurance companies ultimately pay those costs, they periodically send auditors to check jobsites for hazards and require them to be corrected. If the company doesn't do this they lose their workers comp policy. Without that a company won't be able to borrow money, or access lines of credit from most banks, and many other businesses require proof of a policy to interact with them as well for liability reasons. On the flip side a safe company will have relatively cheap insurance premiums and in some cases gain preferential treatment when doing businesses with other companies.
I always thought it was really weird that a lot of people, including east Asians, harp on about how east Asian cultures are so much more collectivist and focused on the benefit of the group over the individual and the health of the community, but it seems like when it comes to anything to do with public safety (safety equipment at work, traffic laws, etc.) The most common response is "lol don't fuck up".
For every sign there's a story.
>OSHA was created for Americans. This is a more advanced civilization. I'm pretty sure if you compare the work accident rate in similar industry between Western countries with OSHA equivalent and developing countries without, you'll have to change your mind about which is more advanced...
I think it was sarcasm. Someone can't actually be that ignorant?
Life expectancy of 35 isn't a very advanced society
lol well yeah they definitely would fire the ones who maimed themselves
These workers are disposable. If they get hurt, they don't come back and another one is waiting to take his place. Crushing poverty makes people desperate.
Yeah, but are the shareholders happy?
Yes. Yes they are.
Aint no shareholders at your local developing word artisanal metal casting shop.
Pretty sure the shareholders consist of one rich guy.
There are no shareholders for a company like this.
safety sandals 😀
I use to refer to them as "Safety Flops"
Goes well with my safety tie!
The handling of those molds with molten steel in them without wearing gloves was nuts too.
The guys were literally packing down the mould with their feet like stomping grapes for wine!
I recently poured Bronze for a sculpture I made and even with all the thermal clothing and gloves etc the heat was almost unbearable. These guys poured hundreds of disks with bare feet and bare hands. Thats crazy.
Steel toe toes.
A little splatter and they will have steel toed shoes.
Yah my cousin in India has a factory that sand-casts aluminum parts for firefighting equipment like water pumps. Everyone is wearing flip flops.
That's all that I see when I watch this. Someone is going to lose more than one toe. Ugh, please get steel-toed boots!
We're all waiting for the "lost my foot" video years from now
I was impressed with the Health and Safety consisting of “a glove”…..
For the entire factory
Watched some other videos like this where they were making massive gears. Same thing, sandals or barefoot. On top of that to make the teeth of the gear they use a large scraper machine that has a flywheel spinning with no guards. During the entire process 3 kids were sitting on top of the machine inches away from the flywheel. These guys are on a whole other level
Their rate of workplace accident is also on a whole other level.
Seriously are they not paid enough to afford new shits or do they just not give a shit about their feet. Edit:lol shoes
My wife speaks five languages. "Shits" is her stand-in word for any object that comes in multiples when she can't remember the word for it - often in English, which is her first language. "Laundry shits", for instance, are laundry detergent capsules. "Circle shits" are circular cotton pads. You get a pass on this one!
And loose clothing when using machinery!
Yeah . I can't believe they weren't just bare footing it ..
I'm fairly certain that this is where my warranty company gets their parts
I changed my brakes and rotors a few years ago and the rotors were 40 bucks for 4. Now I know where they came from lol
Labour is cheap but I bet this is too small of an operation to effectively scale those costs that low. That's probably an actual factory pumping out those rotors by the thousands in the same amount of time.
Oh I know I was being facetious
*Cough* Carquest *cough cough*
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Wait until you see the engine blocks they make from old brake discs.
1. Make brake discs from engine blocks 2. Make engine blocks from brake discs 3. ??? 4. Profit
3. Make submarine
4. Implode
I would trust a submarine made by these guys more than that expired carbon fiber USB dongle controlled billionaire coffin.
1. ???
1. Profit!!!
2. Titanics sunked
3. Sell them in cars to westerners
You just invented recycling.
No that requires 5. Dump into oceans/rivers
That's how Chinese Geelys are made
Are Geelys bad? They’re taking my country by storm?
The circle of life continues
100% OEM
Patented
fr tho I used to get “OEM” pads and rotors off ebay… Not sure im gonna ever do that again after seeing this
Manually drilled mounting holes in brake disks without micrometrical positioning sounds like a good recipe to die in an horrible way
The mounts aren't the issue here. Either they fit or they don't. What I'm concerned about is the lack of any apparent QC to make sure the rotors are flat and level. Warped and uneven rotors can quickly ruin ball joints, tie rods, and steering stabilizers.
They turned them in a lathe, that should true up their shape. The sandcasting is overbuilt to leave material to be trimmed to a uniform shape. I'd just be more concerned with the metallurgy of the final product and what kind of consistent heating and cooling times and they are following. Brakes aren't the thing you want to crack under rapid heating.
These discs are very likely not going to be on the shelves at NAPA but will be used locally. You’re right about cracks being the main concern, warped discs are super obvious and you can still get the car back to the shop if you’re driving cautiously.
TBF it’s a minute and a half video with some steps missing I’m sure. I agree with the spirit. For all we know these are going into jallopies in bfe where all of that has been long shot and/or replaced with joints, rods, and stabilizers made from old McDs Big Mac styrofoam boxes and circuit city plastic bags
Let’s not forget about the metal alloy here. We saw them breaking up an engine block, but we all know they aren’t throwing out any other metal scraps they come across.
I was thinking they likely use engine blocks specifically because that metal is very resistant to warping from heat.
>Warped and uneven rotors can quickly ruin ball joints, tie rods, and steering stabilizers. Interesting to know, thank you.
You'll know it's happening because your steering wheel will shake violently every time you brake
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I dread to think what they’re breathing in
What's the bag of flour-y looking stuff? Asbestos probably
Jokes aside, I think that’s borax powder
Might be talcum powder or some other equivalent for the moulds. Makes it so the sand on the halves don't stick so they can take the positive from the inside.
Isn't asbestos often found with talcum?
Yup. Its why baby powder is no longer made of talcum after the scandal a few years back. It turns out that its basically impossible to get rid of all of the asbestos from talc
Yes, they form in the same environment and cannot be separated on an economically viable scale. Even worse is that you can't test for it easily since the formulas are so similar. You need to use microscopes to look at it and see the needle fibers.
Could be wollastonite powder. I work in an aluminium casthouse and we use it to seal cracks between the halfpipes and stop metal from sticking to things
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That does not seem very safe or efficient
But damn if it isn’t cheap!
A LEAN engineer would take one look at this and faint. Abhorrent that people do this work manually with little to no safety measures and likely near-zero wages.
Am Lean engineer. Am feeling woozy watching this. They're batching instead of using one piece flow!! But for real, it makes me reconsider buying the cheapest parts. Someone is paying for it in blood and sweat and cancer.
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You forgot cancer.
"If you use technology, you are not allowed to criticize anybody." Wow, compelling.
We live in a society
QC? What QC ? It's the same looking thing for half the price! You know you want it cheap.
Efficiency is all about how cheap the labor is. Who cares how efficient it is if labor cost is 2 usd a day.
That's the neat part
The dude on the right at the end looks absolutely pitiful. Just, exhausted (he needs a brake...get it?) and underpaid. That must be the boss next to him, giving the thumbs up.
I wonder how much of that is sadness/exhaustion versus something cultural like looking serious on camera or putting on a serious face when you're being recorded. I'm sure doing work like that is tiring as fuck, but I see that expression in so many videos, like the egg shop one that is always floating around.
Right? People can tell Americans by smiling at times they dont
When that’s all you know and grew up doing this work from a kid, there is nothing else. He might look sad but ignorance is bliss in this situation. They just happy to have work
Treat me mean and keep ‘em keen
No OSHA regulations here.
No OSHA No PPE No regulation No safety law No quality control Life expectancy - 35 years. The foreman is just the oldest dude there
Tbh, it's both harrowing and commanding respect position to be foreman based on being oldest in the facility, when life expectancy is low. "Beware of an old man in a profession where men usually die young"
My favorite saying regarding stuff like this is that 'All regulation is first written in the blood of those who would have been saved by it.' Seems applicable.
Stockton Rush breathing intensifies
Come with me And you’ll be In a world of OSHA violations
Seems like this process would be conducive to creating [inclusions](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inclusion_(mineral\)#Metallurgy) which could lead to premature failure.
Let alone controls on carbon content and other components needed for the right strength, flex and heat expansion and conduction characteristics. Disc brakes are precision parts. IDK, maybe they have all the needed measurement equipment hidden in a backroom but the virality of these videos demands only the more primitive aspects.
Honestly, most of the videoed Indian manufacturing/remanufacturing isn't producing "Western" quality parts. They have Western quality factories over there to do the high quality work with cheaper labor. Half the stuff in these videos is junk, but it's 5% of the cost of a high quality version, and that's good enough for most use cases. The reality is that most modern Western parts are built to incredibly overkill standards. Any modern car that rolls off the line today can probably do 130+ mph on empty level ground safely. While that's great from a liability and safety perspective, it drives up cost to an insane degree. For an truck in Mumbai traffic, where it's never going to go more than 45mph anyway, you just don't really need the high end part, and the side effects of a failure at low speed are much smaller than at high speed.
I wouldnt call it overkill. Western shit is made with the concept zero defect in mind. Not having to throw away shit because your processes are so tight.
Yeah that's complete bull. They're not built to overkill they're built with safety factors in mind to compensate for known standards.
I can see this perspective. Good ideas.
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This is some Ironman making a suit kinda shit
The type of break discs you'll find on Wish.
"break" discs is right
Molten metal and flip flops…
I wouldn’t trust those disc brakes at all.
Yeah, if the employees aren't provided with basic PPE it def doesn't meet quality regs either.
Especially since they're rotors
This post reminds me of the importance of preserving traditional craftsmanship. While modern manufacturing processes have their benefits, there's something special about the uniqueness and character that handmade brake discs bring to a vehicle. It's a labor of love and a way to connect with the past. /s
Artisanal free range stopping power.
Use 3-4 times!
No safety gear
I love a freshly hand & feet made brake discs.
Feels like something that would be used in an OceanGate submarine
That's going to be a thing from now on I see.
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Implode if you will.
I don’t think submarines use disc brakes
Congratulations! You're the new CEO of OceanGate
Don’t put that kind of pressure on me
Things might be hard from this point forward. Here take this upgraded 🎮 with ya.
Replace the xbox controller with nintendo. Remember where u heard it from .
Probably over their budget.
You know those cheap brakes from Amazon that lasts 8 months and leave your rims black with dust? Yeah, that's how they are made.
That's more of a brake pad issue than a rotor issue
I'm never complaining about my job again
No, you can still do that. Just cuz others have it worse doesn't mean things are good for you.
As he leans back in his $800 office chair in his home office with air conditioning and snacks all around him. /s
[here](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=62wezcfLNwU) is the full video, I have a strong suspicion that this does not actually work, to me, it seems like there are some really big gaps in the process. I suspect this channel is a machine shop version of those cake baking content farms with nonsensical instructions, or one of those channels that fakes building huge houses in the jungle with hand tools.
I dug in a bit and this channel posts duplicates of videos that are posted on other similar channels (Gentlemen Mechanics is one alt channel). Definitely appears to be a content farm. The Discovering Skills channel links to a Facebook account that says it is based in Dubai. They probably travel out to different areas and film content, then edit into eye-catching videos, spread copies all over a bunch of different social media accounts with tags and clickbait titles, and collect ad revenues. I'd be shocked if the parts manufactured in these videos ever leave the locales where they are produced. Likely this is best viewed as documents of ways of life in areas of extreme poverty, and we can only hope the people featured in the videos are being compensated. Likely the media group in Dubai is making a killing on ad revenues. I sent an email to them asking some questions about the whole process but I doubt I'll get a response.
They’re called rotors.
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Nothing using heat fatigued metal for something critical like the brakes. This isn’t clever. It’s a scam.
I didn't trust my Subaru boxer engine to keep me moving, you think I'm going to let it try and stop me too?!
This is the Craft Beer version of disc brakes. Car bros be like: "artisinal"
I only use artisanal, fairtrade break discs, none of that mass-produced trash.
Man, that's so cool, seems like nothing goes to waste in India. Edit. I appear to be wrong. Not India but Pakistan.
Seems like Pakistan Judging from their clothes
They look Pakistani
This is Pakistan
If AliExpress discs is what it takes to put food on the plate and pay those life insurance premiums...
There's so much wrong with this that I don't even know where to start, but not wearing gloves on the drill press, wearing something more sturdy than sandals in an industrial setting,....,and not buying these break discs would be a good start
No eye protection too is crazy
I think that that engine block is made from aluminum and I have never seen brake discs made with aluminum..
Those safety sandals are really high quality
And that's the AutoZone way
So this is why things don't line up right
Boxed as Napa? Oreiley? Autozone? Where are these going to market?
They get the engine blocks from crashed cars that were using their brake disks. It's a closed circuit. Brilliant.
Hmmm, rather just pop by AutoZone and pick one up for 49.95.
Imported from these guys 😀
lol I hope not, but you never know.
Tesla should buy their guys shoes
Those are rotors!!!
Wish.com rotors
I'm fairly sure engine block and brake cast iron grades aren't the same
I always get depressed watching these kind of videos
Brheembo brakes
Imagine living somewhere where this labor intensive process results in a product that is either cheaper or more available than the mass-produced rotors that are cranked out in a fraction of the time by machines.
Breathing all those metal fumes and dust. Hoooo boy.
Man's working with lava with sandals on lol.