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Well, I don't think it can be categorized as anything specific, its a whacky diet. Its not really keto, or carnivore, or low fodmap, or insert "x" the closest thing I can come up with, is the elemental diet, and not really.
Here are the most immediate reason why its not strictly carnivore;
-No diary products (avoid butter even if very low lactose too) the more restrictive carnivore diets do avoid diary all together.
-Carnivore is a ketogenic diet, I would not recommend going into ketosis this is why I am intentionally taking dextrose, from a microbiota PoV there are reasons for this choice, I resonate with the studies that ketosis negatively affects microbiota for what we are trying to achieve here, among others, the transition period lasts a while and its significant, we are not seeking this level of disruption.
Bonus not related to Carnivore specifically:
-Artificial sweeteners need to go, any form of alcohol based sugar, no Coke Zero, not even your Tums with menthol flavor and sucralose, worth mentioning tho.
This is interesting. I had c diff. like 8 months ago or so. Was on ppi-s for a few months after. I’d say I did 2 cycles each a month. My stomach felt like streching out, stones in them, as if it wouldn’t want to push food trough properly followed by acid slowly creeping up and causing heartburn, woke up like I’m dying all the time. Just bought Betaine HCL. Second day and I’m already million times better. Everyone is trying to kill off stomach acid. It’s fking important to have stomach acid tho, just realised it.
I do 90ml cabbage juice 3-5x daily around an hour after eating, morning and at night. It helps, removed fatigue enough for me to have hobbies again, but no miracle cure.
90ml is a very low amount.🤔
I would make sure the juice is taking on an empty stomach
So BEFORE you eat, and also bigger dose.
Minimum 200 mo.
90 ml is not gonna fill up the stomach….
Also you need to make sure you dont have Pylori, because then you Can do all the cabbage juice in the world, but the Pylori is still sitting there and eating away your stomach lining
I get the strict nature of the diet, but I have a hard time thinking you were able to get enough nutrients on this diet. Did you lose a lot of weight? Or any other side effects like lightheadedness, etc?
No leafy greens and no fiber?
I did the same but in short - a keto diet based on meat and leafy greens resolved decades of issues within months. Now I go back to it as needed but am not strict at all.
Oh, I am healed, and not just symptomatically only (which deserves praise on itself) but literally healed, my last endoscopy showed gastritis is gone, first time in 7 endoscopies, I am slowly winding down PPIs (I am on 10mg of omeprazole now) in 2 months I wont be taking them.
Give it a try and let me know. Just a couple things to keep in mind:
Here are the most immediate reason why its not strictly carnivore;
-No diary products (avoid butter even if very low lactose too) the more restrictive carnivore diets do avoid diary all together.
-Carnivore is a ketogenic diet, I would not recommend going into ketosis this is why I am intentionally taking dextrose, from a microbiota PoV there are reasons for this choice, I resonate with the studies that ketosis negatively affects microbiota for what we are trying to achieve here, among others, the transition period lasts a while and its significant, we are not seeking this level of disruption.
Bonus not related to Carnivore specifically:
-Artificial sweeteners need to go, any form of alcohol based sugar, no Coke Zero, not even your Tums with menthol flavor and sucralose, worth mentioning tho.
No fiber though? Yeah I’m not trying to go through that lower GI journey from hell.
I started Pepcid to heal my gastritis caused by stress and now I have GERD, which I never had before and my stomach always feels full or hungry. So I believe that part. I feel like rice and potatoes have been my only savior at this point.
That’s correct. Never had reflux in my life, only gastritis. Been on it for like two months. And now if I miss a dose I get very bad rebound reflux so I haven’t tried tapering off yet.
Yes indeed. I was going to ask you if you ever stopped or were late on a dose. Unfortunately H2 blockers (Pepcid) and PPIs can cause higher rebound acid if you miss a dose or get off of them. Usually this happens if you are on them for more than a month or so. Lots of people don’t notice with a PPI because they last longer, so a late or missed dose doesn’t usually affect them
But an H2 blocker only lasts 6-12 hours, so a few hours late on a dose and BAM. That’s why you shouldn’t take them unless you actually have reflux to start with.
Yeah potatoes have always worked well for me. Unfortunately even after I start to feel better stress always brings symptoms back for me. Or a sickness like flu or stomach flu.
Very interesting post, thanks for this! Potatoes and rice have been off the menu for me for the past while, can confirm they exacerbate problems.
Can I hear more about how you cured your tinnitus please? I'm currently trying to taper off PPIs and it's the most debilitating symptom of the acid rebound. It also doesn't seem to be very common so I'm interested to hear your experience with it.
Intermittent Hypoxia, 3 minutes breathing in a hypoxic air / simulating 5000-6000 meters of altitude and 3 minutes breathing almost pure oxygen, 24-30 minutes sessions, once every 2 weeks, 3 sessions total, diminished my tinnitus by 50%
Hypoxia creates a full blown vasodilation it opens the furthest extensions of your capillaries, when you switch to hyperoxic (oxygen) it allows oxygen to be carried to places it hasnt been in a while with maximum power, it will help other things, knee and back pain, and stress.
I did it to try and help the gastritis, but instead it assisted with the tinnitus, its a very safe treatment.
[https://www.rosalbacourtney.com/intermittent-hypoxic-training/](https://www.rosalbacourtney.com/intermittent-hypoxic-training/)
This is a decent post, though it is misguided in many ways.
the advice above can apply to some people, but you overlook the initial causes of the gastritis very heavily.
ofcourse autoimmune (incurable) and atrophied gastric lining due to h pylori (likely incurable).
but this post applies mostly to people who have NSAID gastritis which is also NSAID gastropathy/chemical gastropathy. once the gastric lining is fully healed, one can still experience bloating/indigestion/nausea due to low stomach acid, bacterial dysbiosis and more.
this group of people have the highest chances of fully healing their gastric lining is chemical causes such as NSAIDS/bile reflux.
continued acid suppression leads of dysbiosis and bacterial overgrowth and duodenogastric reflux which further worsens gastric healing ability.
duodenogastric reflux is **a condition that occurs when bile and/or other contents like bicarbonate, and pancreatic enzymes flow upward (refluxes) from the duodenum into the stomach and esophagus**.
this is ofcourse assuming that your gallbladder/bileducts/pancreas are functioning well. (which sometimes its not, especially the gallbladder due to altered gastric hormones due to ppis, low vitamins, undiagnosed gallstones/polyps etc).
but that diet which is basically carnivore, anyone on acid suppresion will greatly struggle to eat, because you need strong acid levels to break down the meat to extract the nutrients, both protiens and vitamins. this itself can lead to gas and bloating, not just carb intake.
and then on top of this, you have the people with chemical gastropathy which is caused by bile reflux, which is often undiagnosed. the most common cause is gallbladder removal, but even gallbladder issues or anticholinergenic medications can cause this. even ppi's itself can cause bile reflux due to altered gastric motility via gastric hormones that ppis change.
bile reflux gastritis cannot be differentiated from nsaid gastritis on biopsy. you have to look at medical history and HIDA scan etc.
[https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9484982/](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9484982/)
check above\^\^
https://www.cghjournal.org/article/S1542-3565(18)30222-2/pdf#:\~:text=Although%20the%20prevalence%20of%20bile,be%20associated%20with%20gastroduodenal%20dysmotility.
[https://www.cghjournal.org/article/S1542-3565(18)30222-2/fulltext](https://www.cghjournal.org/article/S1542-3565(18)30222-2/fulltext)
and ofcourse:
https://dergipark.org.tr/en/download/article-file/2696163#:\~:text=Results%3A%20The%20presence%20of%20all,treatment%20of%20Sucrafate%20and%20UDCA.
this is a study on the efficacy of UDCA + SUCRALFATE which showed statistically significant histopathologic and symptom improvement for bile reflux gastritis/gastropathy.
i'm writing this comment so people have a better understanding of the factors at play and if certain medications/diets/supplements can actually help them.
everything is very specific to the individual. you need to do thorough testing and have sound logic and understanding of the mechanisms at play.
check this if you want a better understanding of where you might actually fit and the steps to take:
[https://medikamio.com/en-gb/diseases/chronic-gastritis](https://medikamio.com/en-gb/diseases/chronic-gastritis)
have a good day everyone.
[https://www.cghjournal.org/article/S1542-3565(18)30222-2/pdf#:\~:text=Although%20the%20prevalence%20of%20bile,be%20associated%20with%20gastroduodenal%20dysmotility](https://www.cghjournal.org/article/S1542-3565(18)30222-2/pdf#:~:text=Although%20the%20prevalence%20of%20bile,be%20associated%20with%20gastroduodenal%20dysmotility)
I will publish a post soon, but check this link for now. and watch out for my post.
[https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9484982/](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9484982/)
and this link.
I would also be curious to hear what you ate during this (please let me know if missed your comment about this!)
What I don't understand is why rice is off the table. I get that starch in potatoes feed bacteria but why rice?
Anyway, thanks for sharing this and your time to share your story AFTER you have healed. It's much appreciated
You are trying to avoid highly fermentable food. This is a strict balance between fiber and carbohydrates and their respective glycemic index, in a nutshell, you want the least amount of fiber and carbs as possible.
Everything containing dietary fiber is potentially fermentable, fermentable = gas production = issues. Veggies are part of this equation, unfortunately, and so are fruits.
Technically you could likely still eat some, but if your gastritis is ruining your life and you dont find a fix, id quit them cold turkey for a few weeks, and continue for a few months if you see a clear improvement, this is not meant to be a diet that lasts, its a temporary diet to starve the bacteria and restore a sustainable equilibrium, I eat veggies almost daily now.
I do eat salmon and other fish from time to time but my stomach can never really tolerate it (or any meat) because it's hard for me to digest these. Do you have this issue? How do you prepare your salmon? I always airfry it with some vegetable oil and salt on top.
Thanks for sharing! Can you have miso (a type of Japanese fermented soup), oat or almond milk, nuts or gluten-free bread (homemade without rice or potato flour) on the diet?
Congratulations on your success , I got diagnosed with gastritis then was on ppls as you mentioned I discovered I have sibo by seeing holistic Dr I’m stuck with pain 24/7 it’s frustrating as you did I was on many diet plans tired of it nothing seemed to work I did spent time and money on treatments failed . Would you please clarify what you are for 90 days I see you eliminate veggies , fructose and potatoes rice . What did you eat ??
sir i did a experiment with soda
i too beleive like u,
gas buildup in stomach causes pressure on valves and valves open and we get acid riflux or bile riflux
so 1 day i accidentaly drink carbonated water, so i get burp after, so gas escapes, i felt stomach empty relaxed
does my theory work ?
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and about diet
im frm india
rice is a staple food here
i drink milk a lot like 1ltr per day, bcz when stomach iz burning milk cools me down
i canot leave milk, rice,
wat shud i do ?
„stopped eating protein“ due to increased subjective indigestion
then
„started eating almost carnivore“
you contradicted urself right there
also switched up lower and higher ph. can happen :D
you seem to know a bunch, but that diet seems to be horrible to shift your microbiom in a positive way
carnivore isnt good for beneficial microbes
diverse fibers are needed
I dont take anything now other than Omeprazole (which I am winding down) went from 40mg, currently in 10mg, soon 0 (God willing).
I used to take everything in the book before, including bitters, enzymes, Betaine HCL (as I suspected that I might have too low acid in the stomach, but that was not the case, it was slightly lower than recommended but not where it should have been causing a digestive "mechanical" issue).
Yes, I tested negative for methane and hydrogen SIBO, so I sort of went into this with low expectations, I did know that SIBO diagnosis is a little tricky (hospitals dont often provide it in many European countries), you can have SIBO even if your test says you dont, false negatives are way more common that false positives.
Regardless, for years my approach has been to test pretty much everything and take the best from whatever I do, this thing surprised me like nothing before ever had, I was hoping to improve reflux slightly, not to heal gastritis as a whole
What country are you based in? In the UK the general practice is to provide patients with results that consider both the EU and US methodology and report whether the criteria has been met for each. After contracting Ecoli O157 (VTEC) from a contaminated cheeseburger (which was subsequently confirmed to be within a meat recall), and being treated for kidney failure alongside the most agonising gastritis, I spent years not being right. The antacids, prescribed Nexium etc are a downward spiral that creates a codependence, and frankly leads to a whole number of subsequent fuck you's. In the end I did a panel of DNA's, found every gene that had a variation and potentially placed me at a greater susceptibility to the symptoms I was experiencing and then kept logs of everything I did when I was "worse." I listened to each and every time my body felt worse, logged it, and fucking ensured I did not do it again. I had strong susceptibility to Bile acid synthesis disorders per a specialist from America reviewing all my DNA / every medical record - (I call them bastards for short lol). In short, my bile production was all kinda fucked up - but I'm like 75% of who I used to be now lool and I'm happy with that.
If people are going through hell - do not give up and if someone reads this and is low as fuck and needs a buddy to say "hey man I'm feeling shit" - ping me. I realised rapidly that most ppl don't wanna hear about your "sickness" after they've heard about it a couple of times, and it ends up a lonely place when it's all of the time.
To the poster - I am sooo glad you found relief, and I genuinely pray for your continued and sustained recovery so that you can live life in your purpose, empowered, and not in pain. I will say, sickness makes you that much more determined, we stronger than we look :D
(ps - my phobia was genuinely cheeseburgers for the longest time after all of this, but I've had quite a few recently - so there's that. Kinda delicious actually).
Inflammation is being caused by bile in the stomach (seen on scope). Bile is being pushed up into stomach by gas and poor motility, especially overnight when stomach is empty.
Such a great ecplained and beneficial post. Like this sub. You may see people that left choiceless by the system and sharing their finding over here. thepwnman33 your the one of the GOATs among let the other great poster here in this sub. First of all many thanks.
I live in the UK and everyone might have heard already about how bad the british healthcare system. Don’t want to get in an argument here. But you, my great british friend, you have to let that far right feeling about how is your country the best about everything.
When I was first having severe bloating problems, immediately schedule an appointment with my GP, which she evaluated my ON PHONE. He sent me a H.Pylori test which the result were due in 2 weeks.
On the other hand my general health was affecting significantly. Started to lose weight as I couldn’t eat more than 1000 cal daily. So I bought a ticket and flew to my home country, Turkey.
Got several blood tests, an H.Pylori test, and some other tests in a day. And got my results in the evening. Don't tell me my fellow Turkish friends how bad our country is. Our topic is healthcare.
A few days after I had an endoscopy and turned out I had chronic gastritis with an ulcer. The biopsy came out negative for pylori and positive for intestinal metaplasia. Which is a pre-cancer cell.
So I started to get PPIs and H2 blockers. My bloating wasn't going anywhere. I was on them for about 4 months and the feeling after eating is still there. Just as described by the author.
I then quit taking them. Had a good 6-8 months but having symptoms again.
I thought about it thoroughly a lot. And yes, it is a true statement that in the healthcare system, a lot of GI problems haven't been fully discovered and standardized yet. If you also think about how fast they can prescribe you those things, it is an unsolvable knot that they are creating.
I know there are lot of thinking and discussion in this subreddit, but this is the far one of the most logical thinking processes that I have encountered here.
Will try your solution.
Thanks
I see what you’re saying. I believe most of gastritis is mental. I know with me at least it is. When my mental state started going downhill so did my stomach. That’s when alll of this really started. I believe it’s why I haven’t healed been working on healing my stomach when it’s my mind.
If you have problems with bile coming back into your stomach at night causing burning or reflux you can put a teaspoon of activated wood charcoal into water and drink it before bed.
A couple of questions for OP:
- Any explanation why vegetables and complex carbs are off the table? My doctor told me that fiber is food for the good bacteria, not the bad.
- Did you lose weight during your diet?
- DId you take anything to protect your stomach lining?
P. S. Thanks for this post, it's very encouraging to many of us!
Did you use any seasoning or spices other than salt in your diet? Olive oil only? Are any kinds of meats-steak, bacon, etc, ok?
Thank you for the post. I have been suffering for a year and PPIs only make me worse.
Did you gradually work foods back in or how did you know all the bacteria have been starved? Do you do anything now to maintain bacteria balance? I think I would be afraid of a relapse if I started adding food back in. I've got the food fear.
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So carnivore diet
Well, I don't think it can be categorized as anything specific, its a whacky diet. Its not really keto, or carnivore, or low fodmap, or insert "x" the closest thing I can come up with, is the elemental diet, and not really. Here are the most immediate reason why its not strictly carnivore; -No diary products (avoid butter even if very low lactose too) the more restrictive carnivore diets do avoid diary all together. -Carnivore is a ketogenic diet, I would not recommend going into ketosis this is why I am intentionally taking dextrose, from a microbiota PoV there are reasons for this choice, I resonate with the studies that ketosis negatively affects microbiota for what we are trying to achieve here, among others, the transition period lasts a while and its significant, we are not seeking this level of disruption. Bonus not related to Carnivore specifically: -Artificial sweeteners need to go, any form of alcohol based sugar, no Coke Zero, not even your Tums with menthol flavor and sucralose, worth mentioning tho.
This is interesting. I had c diff. like 8 months ago or so. Was on ppi-s for a few months after. I’d say I did 2 cycles each a month. My stomach felt like streching out, stones in them, as if it wouldn’t want to push food trough properly followed by acid slowly creeping up and causing heartburn, woke up like I’m dying all the time. Just bought Betaine HCL. Second day and I’m already million times better. Everyone is trying to kill off stomach acid. It’s fking important to have stomach acid tho, just realised it.
You could also just have done cabbage juice for 14 days 3x a day And ACV with each meal That would cure the gastritis and reflux withing 10-14 days… 💪
I've heard of that. I actually tried cayenne pepper with homegrown aloe vera and it works like a charm.
Nice
I do 90ml cabbage juice 3-5x daily around an hour after eating, morning and at night. It helps, removed fatigue enough for me to have hobbies again, but no miracle cure.
90ml is a very low amount.🤔 I would make sure the juice is taking on an empty stomach So BEFORE you eat, and also bigger dose. Minimum 200 mo. 90 ml is not gonna fill up the stomach…. Also you need to make sure you dont have Pylori, because then you Can do all the cabbage juice in the world, but the Pylori is still sitting there and eating away your stomach lining
I get the strict nature of the diet, but I have a hard time thinking you were able to get enough nutrients on this diet. Did you lose a lot of weight? Or any other side effects like lightheadedness, etc? No leafy greens and no fiber?
I did the same but in short - a keto diet based on meat and leafy greens resolved decades of issues within months. Now I go back to it as needed but am not strict at all.
I'm gonna give it a try for a week but seems super unsustainable to me
Please tell me even if you have slightest sign of it working. I have gastritis since 15+ yrs and not getting cured.
Let me know too.
Yes I want to know!!!!
Your still on PPI you are not healed
Oh, I am healed, and not just symptomatically only (which deserves praise on itself) but literally healed, my last endoscopy showed gastritis is gone, first time in 7 endoscopies, I am slowly winding down PPIs (I am on 10mg of omeprazole now) in 2 months I wont be taking them.
Shit carnivore diet it is then!!! Let’s gooo!!!
Give it a try and let me know. Just a couple things to keep in mind: Here are the most immediate reason why its not strictly carnivore; -No diary products (avoid butter even if very low lactose too) the more restrictive carnivore diets do avoid diary all together. -Carnivore is a ketogenic diet, I would not recommend going into ketosis this is why I am intentionally taking dextrose, from a microbiota PoV there are reasons for this choice, I resonate with the studies that ketosis negatively affects microbiota for what we are trying to achieve here, among others, the transition period lasts a while and its significant, we are not seeking this level of disruption. Bonus not related to Carnivore specifically: -Artificial sweeteners need to go, any form of alcohol based sugar, no Coke Zero, not even your Tums with menthol flavor and sucralose, worth mentioning tho.
What all did u eat.
No fiber though? Yeah I’m not trying to go through that lower GI journey from hell. I started Pepcid to heal my gastritis caused by stress and now I have GERD, which I never had before and my stomach always feels full or hungry. So I believe that part. I feel like rice and potatoes have been my only savior at this point.
Are you saying your acid reflux didn’t start until after you started Pepcid? How long have you been on it?
That’s correct. Never had reflux in my life, only gastritis. Been on it for like two months. And now if I miss a dose I get very bad rebound reflux so I haven’t tried tapering off yet.
Yes indeed. I was going to ask you if you ever stopped or were late on a dose. Unfortunately H2 blockers (Pepcid) and PPIs can cause higher rebound acid if you miss a dose or get off of them. Usually this happens if you are on them for more than a month or so. Lots of people don’t notice with a PPI because they last longer, so a late or missed dose doesn’t usually affect them But an H2 blocker only lasts 6-12 hours, so a few hours late on a dose and BAM. That’s why you shouldn’t take them unless you actually have reflux to start with.
Yeah I’m already going to 1 per day then 0 hopefully. Doctors don’t really get these issues and just throw everything at it.
Exactly. They tried to do the same with my wife and I told her not to take the drugs because she doesn’t even have reflux
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Yeah potatoes have always worked well for me. Unfortunately even after I start to feel better stress always brings symptoms back for me. Or a sickness like flu or stomach flu.
What about severe constipation as a result of this no fiber diet though?
Very interesting post, thanks for this! Potatoes and rice have been off the menu for me for the past while, can confirm they exacerbate problems. Can I hear more about how you cured your tinnitus please? I'm currently trying to taper off PPIs and it's the most debilitating symptom of the acid rebound. It also doesn't seem to be very common so I'm interested to hear your experience with it.
Intermittent Hypoxia, 3 minutes breathing in a hypoxic air / simulating 5000-6000 meters of altitude and 3 minutes breathing almost pure oxygen, 24-30 minutes sessions, once every 2 weeks, 3 sessions total, diminished my tinnitus by 50% Hypoxia creates a full blown vasodilation it opens the furthest extensions of your capillaries, when you switch to hyperoxic (oxygen) it allows oxygen to be carried to places it hasnt been in a while with maximum power, it will help other things, knee and back pain, and stress. I did it to try and help the gastritis, but instead it assisted with the tinnitus, its a very safe treatment. [https://www.rosalbacourtney.com/intermittent-hypoxic-training/](https://www.rosalbacourtney.com/intermittent-hypoxic-training/)
Sounds complicated but it gave me hope I can heal someday
Try for 1 week, you wont crave sugar, its all meat/protein, its actually easier than it sounds.
were you able to go to work at all ?
This is a decent post, though it is misguided in many ways. the advice above can apply to some people, but you overlook the initial causes of the gastritis very heavily. ofcourse autoimmune (incurable) and atrophied gastric lining due to h pylori (likely incurable). but this post applies mostly to people who have NSAID gastritis which is also NSAID gastropathy/chemical gastropathy. once the gastric lining is fully healed, one can still experience bloating/indigestion/nausea due to low stomach acid, bacterial dysbiosis and more. this group of people have the highest chances of fully healing their gastric lining is chemical causes such as NSAIDS/bile reflux. continued acid suppression leads of dysbiosis and bacterial overgrowth and duodenogastric reflux which further worsens gastric healing ability. duodenogastric reflux is **a condition that occurs when bile and/or other contents like bicarbonate, and pancreatic enzymes flow upward (refluxes) from the duodenum into the stomach and esophagus**. this is ofcourse assuming that your gallbladder/bileducts/pancreas are functioning well. (which sometimes its not, especially the gallbladder due to altered gastric hormones due to ppis, low vitamins, undiagnosed gallstones/polyps etc). but that diet which is basically carnivore, anyone on acid suppresion will greatly struggle to eat, because you need strong acid levels to break down the meat to extract the nutrients, both protiens and vitamins. this itself can lead to gas and bloating, not just carb intake. and then on top of this, you have the people with chemical gastropathy which is caused by bile reflux, which is often undiagnosed. the most common cause is gallbladder removal, but even gallbladder issues or anticholinergenic medications can cause this. even ppi's itself can cause bile reflux due to altered gastric motility via gastric hormones that ppis change. bile reflux gastritis cannot be differentiated from nsaid gastritis on biopsy. you have to look at medical history and HIDA scan etc. [https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9484982/](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9484982/) check above\^\^ https://www.cghjournal.org/article/S1542-3565(18)30222-2/pdf#:\~:text=Although%20the%20prevalence%20of%20bile,be%20associated%20with%20gastroduodenal%20dysmotility. [https://www.cghjournal.org/article/S1542-3565(18)30222-2/fulltext](https://www.cghjournal.org/article/S1542-3565(18)30222-2/fulltext) and ofcourse: https://dergipark.org.tr/en/download/article-file/2696163#:\~:text=Results%3A%20The%20presence%20of%20all,treatment%20of%20Sucrafate%20and%20UDCA. this is a study on the efficacy of UDCA + SUCRALFATE which showed statistically significant histopathologic and symptom improvement for bile reflux gastritis/gastropathy. i'm writing this comment so people have a better understanding of the factors at play and if certain medications/diets/supplements can actually help them. everything is very specific to the individual. you need to do thorough testing and have sound logic and understanding of the mechanisms at play. check this if you want a better understanding of where you might actually fit and the steps to take: [https://medikamio.com/en-gb/diseases/chronic-gastritis](https://medikamio.com/en-gb/diseases/chronic-gastritis) have a good day everyone.
How can you identify the type of gastritis? And what about bile reflux, is there any way to diagnose it?
[https://www.cghjournal.org/article/S1542-3565(18)30222-2/pdf#:\~:text=Although%20the%20prevalence%20of%20bile,be%20associated%20with%20gastroduodenal%20dysmotility](https://www.cghjournal.org/article/S1542-3565(18)30222-2/pdf#:~:text=Although%20the%20prevalence%20of%20bile,be%20associated%20with%20gastroduodenal%20dysmotility) I will publish a post soon, but check this link for now. and watch out for my post. [https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9484982/](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9484982/) and this link.
Nice addition to the post. Agree with you on most parts. 👍
So, to summarise, cut out potato’s, rice, carbohydrates, and even vegetables also..? And just eat meat..? Is that correct…?
I would also be curious to hear what you ate during this (please let me know if missed your comment about this!) What I don't understand is why rice is off the table. I get that starch in potatoes feed bacteria but why rice? Anyway, thanks for sharing this and your time to share your story AFTER you have healed. It's much appreciated
Thanks for sharing! Just curious why vegetables are not allowed either?
You are trying to avoid highly fermentable food. This is a strict balance between fiber and carbohydrates and their respective glycemic index, in a nutshell, you want the least amount of fiber and carbs as possible. Everything containing dietary fiber is potentially fermentable, fermentable = gas production = issues. Veggies are part of this equation, unfortunately, and so are fruits. Technically you could likely still eat some, but if your gastritis is ruining your life and you dont find a fix, id quit them cold turkey for a few weeks, and continue for a few months if you see a clear improvement, this is not meant to be a diet that lasts, its a temporary diet to starve the bacteria and restore a sustainable equilibrium, I eat veggies almost daily now.
Congratulations and thank you for sharing!
This post is why the "TL;DNR" overview was invented lol. Cut to the chase!
I do eat salmon and other fish from time to time but my stomach can never really tolerate it (or any meat) because it's hard for me to digest these. Do you have this issue? How do you prepare your salmon? I always airfry it with some vegetable oil and salt on top.
no vegetable oils unless avocado and walnut maybe
How about florastor instead to flush out the bad bacteria?
Thanks for sharing! Can you have miso (a type of Japanese fermented soup), oat or almond milk, nuts or gluten-free bread (homemade without rice or potato flour) on the diet?
At what point in this process did you start tapering the PPI?
Congratulations on your success , I got diagnosed with gastritis then was on ppls as you mentioned I discovered I have sibo by seeing holistic Dr I’m stuck with pain 24/7 it’s frustrating as you did I was on many diet plans tired of it nothing seemed to work I did spent time and money on treatments failed . Would you please clarify what you are for 90 days I see you eliminate veggies , fructose and potatoes rice . What did you eat ??
sir i did a experiment with soda i too beleive like u, gas buildup in stomach causes pressure on valves and valves open and we get acid riflux or bile riflux so 1 day i accidentaly drink carbonated water, so i get burp after, so gas escapes, i felt stomach empty relaxed does my theory work ? ------------------------------------------------ and about diet im frm india rice is a staple food here i drink milk a lot like 1ltr per day, bcz when stomach iz burning milk cools me down i canot leave milk, rice, wat shud i do ?
„stopped eating protein“ due to increased subjective indigestion then „started eating almost carnivore“ you contradicted urself right there also switched up lower and higher ph. can happen :D you seem to know a bunch, but that diet seems to be horrible to shift your microbiom in a positive way carnivore isnt good for beneficial microbes diverse fibers are needed
You tested negative for methane and hydrogen SIBO?
Did you supplement any Betaine HCL, Enzymes, bitters, fermented foods?
I dont take anything now other than Omeprazole (which I am winding down) went from 40mg, currently in 10mg, soon 0 (God willing). I used to take everything in the book before, including bitters, enzymes, Betaine HCL (as I suspected that I might have too low acid in the stomach, but that was not the case, it was slightly lower than recommended but not where it should have been causing a digestive "mechanical" issue). Yes, I tested negative for methane and hydrogen SIBO, so I sort of went into this with low expectations, I did know that SIBO diagnosis is a little tricky (hospitals dont often provide it in many European countries), you can have SIBO even if your test says you dont, false negatives are way more common that false positives. Regardless, for years my approach has been to test pretty much everything and take the best from whatever I do, this thing surprised me like nothing before ever had, I was hoping to improve reflux slightly, not to heal gastritis as a whole
What country are you based in? In the UK the general practice is to provide patients with results that consider both the EU and US methodology and report whether the criteria has been met for each. After contracting Ecoli O157 (VTEC) from a contaminated cheeseburger (which was subsequently confirmed to be within a meat recall), and being treated for kidney failure alongside the most agonising gastritis, I spent years not being right. The antacids, prescribed Nexium etc are a downward spiral that creates a codependence, and frankly leads to a whole number of subsequent fuck you's. In the end I did a panel of DNA's, found every gene that had a variation and potentially placed me at a greater susceptibility to the symptoms I was experiencing and then kept logs of everything I did when I was "worse." I listened to each and every time my body felt worse, logged it, and fucking ensured I did not do it again. I had strong susceptibility to Bile acid synthesis disorders per a specialist from America reviewing all my DNA / every medical record - (I call them bastards for short lol). In short, my bile production was all kinda fucked up - but I'm like 75% of who I used to be now lool and I'm happy with that. If people are going through hell - do not give up and if someone reads this and is low as fuck and needs a buddy to say "hey man I'm feeling shit" - ping me. I realised rapidly that most ppl don't wanna hear about your "sickness" after they've heard about it a couple of times, and it ends up a lonely place when it's all of the time. To the poster - I am sooo glad you found relief, and I genuinely pray for your continued and sustained recovery so that you can live life in your purpose, empowered, and not in pain. I will say, sickness makes you that much more determined, we stronger than we look :D (ps - my phobia was genuinely cheeseburgers for the longest time after all of this, but I've had quite a few recently - so there's that. Kinda delicious actually).
Ya I ate chicken for like a year and didn’t help. Think mine is from heavy metals
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Not needed, I did eboo ozone and it helped significantly
Very interesting. Thanks for posting. Gas pressure and burping in the upper GI tract is 100% the source of my continued symptoms.
highly unlikely as not only gas causes symptoms but the inflammation itself too
Inflammation is being caused by bile in the stomach (seen on scope). Bile is being pushed up into stomach by gas and poor motility, especially overnight when stomach is empty.
Thank you for posting.
Such a great ecplained and beneficial post. Like this sub. You may see people that left choiceless by the system and sharing their finding over here. thepwnman33 your the one of the GOATs among let the other great poster here in this sub. First of all many thanks. I live in the UK and everyone might have heard already about how bad the british healthcare system. Don’t want to get in an argument here. But you, my great british friend, you have to let that far right feeling about how is your country the best about everything. When I was first having severe bloating problems, immediately schedule an appointment with my GP, which she evaluated my ON PHONE. He sent me a H.Pylori test which the result were due in 2 weeks. On the other hand my general health was affecting significantly. Started to lose weight as I couldn’t eat more than 1000 cal daily. So I bought a ticket and flew to my home country, Turkey. Got several blood tests, an H.Pylori test, and some other tests in a day. And got my results in the evening. Don't tell me my fellow Turkish friends how bad our country is. Our topic is healthcare. A few days after I had an endoscopy and turned out I had chronic gastritis with an ulcer. The biopsy came out negative for pylori and positive for intestinal metaplasia. Which is a pre-cancer cell. So I started to get PPIs and H2 blockers. My bloating wasn't going anywhere. I was on them for about 4 months and the feeling after eating is still there. Just as described by the author. I then quit taking them. Had a good 6-8 months but having symptoms again. I thought about it thoroughly a lot. And yes, it is a true statement that in the healthcare system, a lot of GI problems haven't been fully discovered and standardized yet. If you also think about how fast they can prescribe you those things, it is an unsolvable knot that they are creating. I know there are lot of thinking and discussion in this subreddit, but this is the far one of the most logical thinking processes that I have encountered here. Will try your solution. Thanks
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Why should everyone seek mental health professional? Do you think it‘s gonna cure gastritis? I‘m just curious
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I see what you’re saying. I believe most of gastritis is mental. I know with me at least it is. When my mental state started going downhill so did my stomach. That’s when alll of this really started. I believe it’s why I haven’t healed been working on healing my stomach when it’s my mind.
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If you have problems with bile coming back into your stomach at night causing burning or reflux you can put a teaspoon of activated wood charcoal into water and drink it before bed.
Mmm… what if you’re vegetarian…
A couple of questions for OP: - Any explanation why vegetables and complex carbs are off the table? My doctor told me that fiber is food for the good bacteria, not the bad. - Did you lose weight during your diet? - DId you take anything to protect your stomach lining? P. S. Thanks for this post, it's very encouraging to many of us!
Why no rice or potatoes? Experts agree that those don't feed SIBO bacteria because they're low FODMAP.
Did you use any seasoning or spices other than salt in your diet? Olive oil only? Are any kinds of meats-steak, bacon, etc, ok? Thank you for the post. I have been suffering for a year and PPIs only make me worse. Did you gradually work foods back in or how did you know all the bacteria have been starved? Do you do anything now to maintain bacteria balance? I think I would be afraid of a relapse if I started adding food back in. I've got the food fear.
I’m a vegetarian. I cannot eat meat. And my autism makes me very particular about the food I eat. Guess I am going to have gastritis forever.
Drink some warm cayenne pepper with aloe vera 20-30 minutes before meals and it will also help.