The Fall of Malvolion. The Lamenters, alongside some guardsmen, evacuate some civilians. Haven't read it, but from what I know, >!the civilians are evacuated, but the Lamenters 9th company is eradicated!<
You leave him to hold the line whilst you evacuate the civilians after your supply port turned out to be run by genestealers. Earn back his honour in death.
It's Leandros. He'd probably tell you it's not codex compliant, civilians aren't worth an angel of the emperor and haul ass out of there. Leaving you to die against impossible odds. In true Lamenters fashion.
Same. But I'm there to die so that he can complete his mission.
Keep in mind, I dove into him to save him from a shot he could have taken himself no problem.
Just how papa Dorn wanted me to go. Pointlessly and with a belly full of yummy Plascrete.
>Lamenters..
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>So..
>
>Yeah..
>
>He ain't coming home..
I think you forgot what your first word was there, in all likelihood not only will he survive while the others suffer, he's going to come back from the mission as some kind of hero to be lauded by the Imperium at large and is now your sector military governor or something.
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Be me, a Blood Raven.
Me, "Oh that's alright, Brother. Excuse me while I bless my new Gauntlet of Ultramar that was 'gifted' to me by your Chapter Master."
"Does Codex Astartes support starting a civil war during one of the biggest campaigns in the Imperium's history like your cousins did?" — me, a Minotaur.
I (a Blood Angel) probably just think he's stuck up because he's an Ultramarine and I've heard rumors they're sticklers for their codex. It goes fine. He is absolutely not *HORUUUUUSSSS!!!!!!!! DAMN YOUR EYES, HORUS!*
I as a fellow Ultramarine, ask him how hard Lord Marneus Calgar punched him. You know, when he failed to follow the Codex and didn't report warp taint suspicions about Titus to a Chaplain (as the codex demands) but to an Inquisitor. Resulting in him putting a founding Chapter under suspicion because of his incompetence.
Can I get a citation from the lore where it says that the codex demands he report to a chaplain and not to an inquisitor? Cause considering the codex was written after the heresy and in large part to help prevent further heresy, it seems weird that he would make a rule about keeping suspicion of heresy in-house.
I believe it’s a matter of so a chapter can make sure to deal with its corrupt elements without it leading to a trigger happy inquisitor branding the whole chapter heretical over one guy. If the whole chapter is suspected of heresy, then you can report it to them
I mean, I get the rationalization, but does this actually come from the lore?
Also, this is the imperium. Damning entire groups for the misdeeds of a few is their bread and butter.
> mean, I get the rationalization, but does this actually come from the lore?
The closest I ever found is that in the Index Astartes series of books it mentions the Chaplain makes sure the Chapter is spiritual pure, but at no point is it mentioned that a Space Marine must be reported to them for Heresy over the Inquisition.
It's probably a good idea to do so since the Inquisition can and will freak out over the most minor thing, but considering there have been corrupted Chaplains and Librarians before its also not a full proof job.
> Also, this is the imperium. Damning entire groups for the misdeeds of a few is their bread and butter
It should be noted that there's extended lore for all the characters in the game guide that comes from production notes. In said guide it explicitly mentions that Titus has been investigated before on warp corruption and multiple other **Ultramarines** believe he may he tainted, which infuriates him. Overall, I don't think Leandros going to the Inquisition breaks the Codex or would even lead to major pushback from his commanders.
Well I'll give you the fact that there's not an official Codex Astartes I can quote from. But the role of a Chaplain includes being responsible for overseeing the entire companies (if not entire chapters in the case of head chaplain) spiritual health and purity.
Theres precedent for it too. When Uriel Ventris got back from his exile in The Chapters Due, he was thoroughly probed still by the Chaplain, deapite assurance from a grey knight that he was fine. But when checked out clean, the chapter never reached out for an Inquisitor.
Also the Imperial Fist, Darnath Lysander when he returned from escaping capture by the Iron Warrior Warlord Shontou was not taken to the inquisition, but checked out by the Head Chaplain and Librarian. If anything was amiss it was suggested it would be dealt with in house and not an Inquisitor told.
Also whilst there were inquisitors when the codex was written, I believe it wasn't a proper established organisation to deal with inward threats. Hell the Ordo Hereticus which jnvestigates heresy within the Imperium, wasnt established until m34/m35 after Goge Vandire was overthrown. Before that, it was just xenos and demonic activity they investigated.
Hence chaplains and maybe librarians if warp related, had the job of checking for heresy and corruption in a chapter.
Inquisitors such as Ordo Hereticus, are charged with rooting out heresy that is true. But its such a roll of the dice in personality and judgment, that one dares not call upon one if you suspect a warp taint or heresy in the chapter. That may just get a trigger happy inquisitor wiping the chapter out just in case.
In conclusion, the Chaplain would've been the one he should've told Titus about according to the codex I believe.
Also there's that time that inquisitor accused Tigurius of heresy and Sicarius absolutely dismantled his combat servitor in a trial by champion. Pretty sure the Ultras at least like to keep it in house.
In both the examples you provide it seems like it’s a chaplain taking it upon themselves to investigate possible suspicion when a marine returns from suspicious circumstances. So they don’t really provide insight on reporting suspicions since now one actually reported anything. They’re also pretty different situations because there is actually a chaplain present. Leandros didn’t have that luxury as far as I’m aware.
In lore there were other Ultramarine forces arriving in the later half of the games timeline present on Graia. The 2nd Company, which absolutely wouldve included the chaplain and librarian.
Edit the 2nd company was there from the start sorry. They didn't just show up to the planet later.
It's in the game Wikipedia. May have read it wrong earlier sorry. The 2nd company was there all together it would seem from the start.
Game wiki:
https://warhammer40k.fandom.com/wiki/Space_Marine_(Game)
He's supposed to be leading the 2nd company at the start from a strike cruiser. The Chaplain and Librarian of the company it is sensible to believe, would have been among the company deployed.
He took his command squad with him in the initial wave rather than go in as a company so I suppose that's why we don't see a named chaplain or Librarian with them?
"Upon his arrival in orbit of Graia leading the 2nd Company of the Ultramarines on the strike cruiser Fury of Descent, Captain Titus and two members of his company's Command Squad, his old friend Veteran Sergeant Sidonus and the young battle-brother Leandros, travel in a Thunderhawk gunship down into the atmosphere of the Forge World to survey disposition of the attacking Ork forces"
Later it states that "Titus then begins his quest to avenge his fallen friend, and battles the forces of Chaos with help from both the newly-arrived Blood Ravens Chapter of Space Marines and his own Ultramarines of the 2nd Company"
I’m leery of wiki without any citations but it’s been a long time since I’ve played the game so maybe there was one there. Supposing there was a chaplain then, why would Leandros, whose defining character feature is strictly following the codex astartes would decide at the very end to directly disobey it? Doesn’t make much sense does it? Considering there’s no actual lore evidence for the “talk to chaplains first” rule and Leandros not going to a chaplain first it seems like the assumption would be that the rule doesn’t exist.
Shit. I did look as its other two wikipedia entries were a bit dire, and yeah a defunct forum site and the game are not the greatest sources of all time. More than the one other game wiki and actual Wikipedia had but still I couldn't find anything but forum posts on the game. Point well made on that bit.
I guess my only argument is It's achaplains literal job to investigate spiritual and disciple matters of the company. Plus you've got the Librarian to deal with all the warp related matters, such as Titus's ability to resist corruption. Covers a lot of the dangers of corruption in a chapter company since theyre probably going to be away on campaign a lot without an inquisitor or grey knight present. I think that's why Gulliman put one of each in a company.
You can use the inquisition sure, especially in a corrupted chapter master, senior staff or more than half a company. But its the nuclear option, especially when hotheads like Inquisitor Kysnaros who caused the Months of Shame where the inquisition went to war with the space wolves. Also hotheads like Inquisitor Kryptman who extermatused worlds in the biggest human casualty rate since the Horus Heresy to try and stop the tyrannid invasion (arguably succeeded but still, damn). They could end your chapter and you to be sure without a sweat.
In my opinion there wouldve been a recommendation to talk to the Chaplain or librarian first in the codex.. Especially if your chapter includes Tigarius who faced off against the literal Hive Mind and came out ok and Chaplain Ortan Cassius, a Badass.
We can agree to disagree, but that's my best arguments since you asked for a source.
Nowhere does it say you can't go to the inquisition and you MUST go to the Chaplain only. I cannot find anything about this anywhere. The Codex was written after the heresy by Roboute and he would not have written a rule that basically states that if you think your fellow marines might be chaos tainted you keep it from the people meant to enforce chaos-related laws and instead take it to someone who *might be compromised themselves*.
This is cope because Leandros was absolutely acting in a reasonable way so people need some technicality to hate him for. "Oh, reporting wasn't wrong, he just reported to the wrong person!" is cope. You just want to be mad.
I just imagined his commander asking "where's bother Leandros" and a grey knight, or most likely an inquisitor) and he just dropping a bag with progenoides
Dark Angel - Im so sorry UltraMarines while on our mission Leandros committed Suicide
UltraMarines - Oh no how did it happen?
Dark Angels - He stabbed himself iin the back 12 times then threw himself off a bridge ... it was very tragic
Homebrew or official?
Official: I'll be honest, I don't know the Salamander's take on the codex so I can't make an accurate judgement.
My Homebrew Ultramarine successors who were directly inspired by Captain "Motherfucking" Titus and know full well the limitations of the Codex:
If he outranks me, begrudgingly listen to his shit before discussing his nonsense with my brothers over my evening nutrient paste. We honour our forebears, even if they're bellends.
If I outrank him, take him on a wild ride of "Codex defiance". I think a signature jump pack assault through flak gun fire would be a good start...
Salamanders : Leandros's heroism in the sternguard protecting the refugee column will be recorded and his bones , wargear, and geneseed will be sent to Macragge .
you say "Chapter" so... that implies it has to be the favourite of the loyalists... so uhm... no matter what... I guess... fight beside him and listen to Codex quotes until my ears bleed?
Leandros dies to friendly fire. While aboard the Thunderhawk. While it's still in the landing bay of the Strike Cruiser. While it is still docked at the shipyard.
“Well done brother! What’s that over there?”
*heavy bolter fire into the back of Astartes Skull.*
“We are the tip of his spear, we are his mailed fist…”
Interrogator Chaplain Asmodai
Leandros: "Brother Asmodai, one of the heretics is wearing ancient Dark Angels armour. Do you know anything about this?"
Asmodai: *Quietly raises Crozius*
Let's see so the Emperor's Spears have had a very public falling out with the Ultramarines and one of their successors over not following the Codex.
So if teamed up with Lt Book over here...hmm *power spear noises intensify*
By reporting Titus to the Inquisition. Codex says you’re supposed to report a battle brother to the chaplain or librarian if you suspect them of heresy
> Codex says you’re supposed to report a battle brother to the chaplain or librarian if you suspect them of heresy
Can I get a lore citation for this? I’ve never seen that explicitly said or even implied in the lore.
It’s something I read somewhere at some point, its seems to be popularly believed, but upon looking briefly found nothing definitive. Claim comes from the wiki, but sourcing after that gets hazy. Could probably look more, but i gotta go to work lol. It is entirely possible its fanon
Edit: I think its a strongish claim to make because it is part of the role if the chaplain, to ensure the loyalty of battle brothers
Thanks, yeah I don’t expect you to do a research paper for my Reddit comment. My experience is similar to yours. I’ve looked for it and found lots of Reddit posts but no references to a primary source.
I'm gonna be generous and assume that Leandros had just earned his pauldrons by SM1 and understandably still trying to find his footing. Indoctrination and training are one thing, the actual battles something else. That's why he was paired with Titus (talks even to humans like they're equals) and Sidonus (experience). That's why he snitches on Titus, it's what he's suppost to do.
But he's not stupid, he realizes pretty quickly that was a bad move. So when he's assigned to another squad he keeps his head down, learns and tries to make friends with his brothers. Trying to understand where they come from and what it practically means to be an Ultramarine. I also hope that he picks up on the respect Titus had for human troops.
Guess he just ends up being a nice and competent little soldier boy.
Oh shit
Oh fuck
He's gonna be a protagonist in a BL novel!
In all reality, Leandros would end up dying like a bitch because of his inflexibility even when the codex recommends it, and his high willingness to betray his own for no actual reason.
But if it's a black library book, somehow he would probably become the grand poo-bah of the whole galaxy because those books are just written like that.
He sees me acquiring "relics" of the chapter and says that's against the codex astartes. He is never seen again, but his armor and bolter get a new coating of dark red paint and are given to an initiate.
Well as an iron hand I'm afraid we never got a leandros? That's his name. No he never, arrived. Oh the servitor over there? What, never seen an ogryn servitor before? Anyway inquisitor I think it's time you left.
Space Wolf: Leandros sees the fervent obsession with being absolutely hammered while in melee. He tries to reprimand the Space Wolf and is immediately knocked unconscious by being hit in the head with a mug.
Iron Warriors.
If this lad is gonna beat me over the head with his codex then it's completely fair game for me to beat him over the head with my shovel.
Blood Ravens. So we would come back with a "gifted" set of power armor. Whether or not he survives in an active war zone after gifting it to us is not our problem.
I’ve just received reliable intel that Leandros may be concealing information about… The Fallen…
I’ve informed Asmodai that he may wish to have a word with him.
Damn I wish I picked a nastier chapter for this I'm supposed to have restraint as a salamander here but doesn't mean I can't sock him once or twice... or a lot.
Official chapter: Salamanders, so I'd probably be fine with him? He's a bit too compliant but eh, whatever, standard Ultramarine.
Homebrew chapter: Straight up stereotypical pirates (from an OC Legion, which broke up into 3:6:1 ratio of Imperial:Independent:Chaos), would toss him into the Warp before they even got into the combat zone.
Celestial Lions
"Brother, your duty seems to be weighing a lot on your shoulders. Come, sit with us. We share our meal and you share your stories. We are all brothers, and we would love to hear you."
*sound of artillery shells, explosion*
Forward artillery observer: CEASE FIRE CEASE FIRE, FRIENDLY FIRE!
Battery command: Roger, noted. We'll inform high command their new coordinates were faulty.
Me, a son of Sanguinius, goes off to "secure an objective," comes back covered in blood and offers the book reader some "red wine".
Later he looks more and more like Horus.
Canon chapter? Well, the raven guard do follow the codex, but not religiously. Depending on the rank I'd either tell him to shut the hell up or just shut down his comms and go on doing whatever I am doing
HB chapter? My dudes look at the codex as more like guidelines and suggestions, so he either better conform to the battle plan or get fucked while following his precious space book
I don't have one favorite chapter but my top picks would be:
Blood Angels: find his stuck up and childishly by-the-book. like bro you have 100's of years of experiance use some initiative and understand you need to be flexable.
Salamanders: dogmatic and weird. stop being such a whiny bitch, I hunted dragons when I was 15 and complained less than you.
Black Templars: **say codex one more time and I'll use your skin to make my own book on why yours sucks**
My favorite chapter is the night lords. I require more information on what the fuck are we fighting that Leandros is calling a truce and teaming up with one of them.
To be honest I bet that at least 75% of the "green" ultramarines are just like Leandros. Taught about the codex astartes and brainwashed by the Chaplains. Leandros is still an Astartes. He just needs a hundred years or more of experience to know when to bend the rules.
We get a little too aggressive with the heavy flamer usage. The civilians are thankfully safe and unharmed, but unfortunately for Leandros, Space Marines are not fireproof.
If I can't be a Custodes ill have to be a Dark Angel so...
If he doesn't shoot me in the back of the head I'll always be on edge and probably accidentally turn him to paste with heavy bolter fire and if he does shoot me in the back of the head then he'll prolly claim I'm a heretic
Either way it does not end well foe me
“I did NOT mean for Brother Leandros to slip and fall into an unused dreadnought chassis, I swear! But hey, the Ork menace is closing in and we need all the firepower we have, right?
As an Unnamed Space Marine who just got introduced go a Named Character at the start of a new adventure I am probably going to die to establish the stakes.
Well, instead of me jumping first with a pack, I'm pushing Leandros out without one. Maybe I'll ride him down like a surfboard, idk; I'll decide in the thunderhawk
Depends I guess with the salamanders Leandros would probably bee seen as to strict but we can be friends until he finds a way for the codex to get between the Promethean cult and its duties, after that things get difficult
The mission goes fine.
Seriously y'all give Leondros a mountain of shit but Titus literally says the Codex Astartes is more like a book of suggestions (As an ULTRAMARINE no less), touches the Chaos Object *with his hands* and has it in his possession for hours with no discernable effects, works with a dead inquisitor being puppeted by a chaos sorcerer, and goes up towards a big warp rift with said chaos object.
From Leandros's perspective, Titus is REALLY FUCKING SUS. "Trust me bro I'm super loyal" is not a sufficient guarantor. Yeah, you can say the first place he should have gone is the Chaplain, but maybe they weren't around, or he was playing it safe. Calling in the Inquisition is absolutely a reasonable move in-universe to all of the super sketchy shit he just bore witness to.
Lamenters.. So.. Yeah.. He ain't coming home..
*Sobs in Lamenter* For those we cherish...
We die in glory
Brother?
Wait, they got some lore? (Except the bad luck since they have beaten the cursed?) And who do they cherish?
It's their war cry. "For those we cherish, we die in glory!" There's also a ton of lamenters lore.
Any books? I don't know the lore except what I wrote.
The Fall of Malvolion. The Lamenters, alongside some guardsmen, evacuate some civilians. Haven't read it, but from what I know, >!the civilians are evacuated, but the Lamenters 9th company is eradicated!<
Guardsmen and Lamenters in the same sentence is already making me cry
You leave him to hold the line whilst you evacuate the civilians after your supply port turned out to be run by genestealers. Earn back his honour in death.
It's Leandros. He'd probably tell you it's not codex compliant, civilians aren't worth an angel of the emperor and haul ass out of there. Leaving you to die against impossible odds. In true Lamenters fashion.
Same. But I'm there to die so that he can complete his mission. Keep in mind, I dove into him to save him from a shot he could have taken himself no problem. Just how papa Dorn wanted me to go. Pointlessly and with a belly full of yummy Plascrete.
>Lamenters.. > >So.. > >Yeah.. > >He ain't coming home.. I think you forgot what your first word was there, in all likelihood not only will he survive while the others suffer, he's going to come back from the mission as some kind of hero to be lauded by the Imperium at large and is now your sector military governor or something. Congrats, you just gave us Sector Governor Leandros, hero of the Imperium, most devout and faithful executor of His will, the ally of the His most Holy Inquisition, and toastmaster general of the Adeptus Mechanicus.
You mean you'll sacrifice yourself to save him.
Knowing the Lamenters' luck, HE is, THEY ain't.
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"Hey Leandros. Could you help me check the airlock?"
"The Codex Astartes doesn't support that. Cope."
Be me, a Blood Raven. Me, "Oh that's alright, Brother. Excuse me while I bless my new Gauntlet of Ultramar that was 'gifted' to me by your Chapter Master."
*actively riffling through Leandros' copy of the Codex* "Huh, I can't see anything in here about airlock maintenance, Brother."
“Not even on the tech marine section?” “It’s in binary so I can’t tell”
"Might as well put 'guilliman's knowledge of binary' next to 'the armour of fate' on the list of things the Chapter needs to... have gifted to it."
"Does Codex Astartes support starting a civil war during one of the biggest campaigns in the Imperium's history like your cousins did?" — me, a Minotaur.
I (a Blood Angel) probably just think he's stuck up because he's an Ultramarine and I've heard rumors they're sticklers for their codex. It goes fine. He is absolutely not *HORUUUUUSSSS!!!!!!!! DAMN YOUR EYES, HORUS!*
Huh that Leandros guy is bald *3 seconds later *HORUUSSSSSS!!!!*
I am Alpharius Leandros too shall become Alpharius
No, I am Alpharius
We are all Alpharius on this blessed day
Wait, I thought we were all Omegon
This year we Alpharius and to throw people off we mention we may be Omegon. Leandros has to get this or we hit him.
Yes. He will understand that we are Alpharius, or Omegon, or his mind will break
If he can't remember when we're Alpharius and when we're Omegon, he gets the baseball chain-bat.
And if he calls us Alpharius Omegon then he gets the POWER chain baseball bat.
Sup guys it's me Alpharius
Speak for yourself
You know there was a theory that Leandros was, perhaps, replaced by an Alpha Legion member when they all got separated in the jump?
Man who’d he piss off to get that job
I as a fellow Ultramarine, ask him how hard Lord Marneus Calgar punched him. You know, when he failed to follow the Codex and didn't report warp taint suspicions about Titus to a Chaplain (as the codex demands) but to an Inquisitor. Resulting in him putting a founding Chapter under suspicion because of his incompetence.
This guy knows his blueberries as gorillaman knows his Excel.
Can I get a citation from the lore where it says that the codex demands he report to a chaplain and not to an inquisitor? Cause considering the codex was written after the heresy and in large part to help prevent further heresy, it seems weird that he would make a rule about keeping suspicion of heresy in-house.
I believe it’s a matter of so a chapter can make sure to deal with its corrupt elements without it leading to a trigger happy inquisitor branding the whole chapter heretical over one guy. If the whole chapter is suspected of heresy, then you can report it to them
I mean, I get the rationalization, but does this actually come from the lore? Also, this is the imperium. Damning entire groups for the misdeeds of a few is their bread and butter.
> mean, I get the rationalization, but does this actually come from the lore? The closest I ever found is that in the Index Astartes series of books it mentions the Chaplain makes sure the Chapter is spiritual pure, but at no point is it mentioned that a Space Marine must be reported to them for Heresy over the Inquisition. It's probably a good idea to do so since the Inquisition can and will freak out over the most minor thing, but considering there have been corrupted Chaplains and Librarians before its also not a full proof job. > Also, this is the imperium. Damning entire groups for the misdeeds of a few is their bread and butter It should be noted that there's extended lore for all the characters in the game guide that comes from production notes. In said guide it explicitly mentions that Titus has been investigated before on warp corruption and multiple other **Ultramarines** believe he may he tainted, which infuriates him. Overall, I don't think Leandros going to the Inquisition breaks the Codex or would even lead to major pushback from his commanders.
Well I'll give you the fact that there's not an official Codex Astartes I can quote from. But the role of a Chaplain includes being responsible for overseeing the entire companies (if not entire chapters in the case of head chaplain) spiritual health and purity. Theres precedent for it too. When Uriel Ventris got back from his exile in The Chapters Due, he was thoroughly probed still by the Chaplain, deapite assurance from a grey knight that he was fine. But when checked out clean, the chapter never reached out for an Inquisitor. Also the Imperial Fist, Darnath Lysander when he returned from escaping capture by the Iron Warrior Warlord Shontou was not taken to the inquisition, but checked out by the Head Chaplain and Librarian. If anything was amiss it was suggested it would be dealt with in house and not an Inquisitor told. Also whilst there were inquisitors when the codex was written, I believe it wasn't a proper established organisation to deal with inward threats. Hell the Ordo Hereticus which jnvestigates heresy within the Imperium, wasnt established until m34/m35 after Goge Vandire was overthrown. Before that, it was just xenos and demonic activity they investigated. Hence chaplains and maybe librarians if warp related, had the job of checking for heresy and corruption in a chapter. Inquisitors such as Ordo Hereticus, are charged with rooting out heresy that is true. But its such a roll of the dice in personality and judgment, that one dares not call upon one if you suspect a warp taint or heresy in the chapter. That may just get a trigger happy inquisitor wiping the chapter out just in case. In conclusion, the Chaplain would've been the one he should've told Titus about according to the codex I believe.
Also there's that time that inquisitor accused Tigurius of heresy and Sicarius absolutely dismantled his combat servitor in a trial by champion. Pretty sure the Ultras at least like to keep it in house.
In both the examples you provide it seems like it’s a chaplain taking it upon themselves to investigate possible suspicion when a marine returns from suspicious circumstances. So they don’t really provide insight on reporting suspicions since now one actually reported anything. They’re also pretty different situations because there is actually a chaplain present. Leandros didn’t have that luxury as far as I’m aware.
In lore there were other Ultramarine forces arriving in the later half of the games timeline present on Graia. The 2nd Company, which absolutely wouldve included the chaplain and librarian. Edit the 2nd company was there from the start sorry. They didn't just show up to the planet later.
I don’t recall that. Is that in the game?
It's in the game Wikipedia. May have read it wrong earlier sorry. The 2nd company was there all together it would seem from the start. Game wiki: https://warhammer40k.fandom.com/wiki/Space_Marine_(Game) He's supposed to be leading the 2nd company at the start from a strike cruiser. The Chaplain and Librarian of the company it is sensible to believe, would have been among the company deployed. He took his command squad with him in the initial wave rather than go in as a company so I suppose that's why we don't see a named chaplain or Librarian with them? "Upon his arrival in orbit of Graia leading the 2nd Company of the Ultramarines on the strike cruiser Fury of Descent, Captain Titus and two members of his company's Command Squad, his old friend Veteran Sergeant Sidonus and the young battle-brother Leandros, travel in a Thunderhawk gunship down into the atmosphere of the Forge World to survey disposition of the attacking Ork forces" Later it states that "Titus then begins his quest to avenge his fallen friend, and battles the forces of Chaos with help from both the newly-arrived Blood Ravens Chapter of Space Marines and his own Ultramarines of the 2nd Company"
I’m leery of wiki without any citations but it’s been a long time since I’ve played the game so maybe there was one there. Supposing there was a chaplain then, why would Leandros, whose defining character feature is strictly following the codex astartes would decide at the very end to directly disobey it? Doesn’t make much sense does it? Considering there’s no actual lore evidence for the “talk to chaplains first” rule and Leandros not going to a chaplain first it seems like the assumption would be that the rule doesn’t exist.
Shit. I did look as its other two wikipedia entries were a bit dire, and yeah a defunct forum site and the game are not the greatest sources of all time. More than the one other game wiki and actual Wikipedia had but still I couldn't find anything but forum posts on the game. Point well made on that bit. I guess my only argument is It's achaplains literal job to investigate spiritual and disciple matters of the company. Plus you've got the Librarian to deal with all the warp related matters, such as Titus's ability to resist corruption. Covers a lot of the dangers of corruption in a chapter company since theyre probably going to be away on campaign a lot without an inquisitor or grey knight present. I think that's why Gulliman put one of each in a company. You can use the inquisition sure, especially in a corrupted chapter master, senior staff or more than half a company. But its the nuclear option, especially when hotheads like Inquisitor Kysnaros who caused the Months of Shame where the inquisition went to war with the space wolves. Also hotheads like Inquisitor Kryptman who extermatused worlds in the biggest human casualty rate since the Horus Heresy to try and stop the tyrannid invasion (arguably succeeded but still, damn). They could end your chapter and you to be sure without a sweat. In my opinion there wouldve been a recommendation to talk to the Chaplain or librarian first in the codex.. Especially if your chapter includes Tigarius who faced off against the literal Hive Mind and came out ok and Chaplain Ortan Cassius, a Badass. We can agree to disagree, but that's my best arguments since you asked for a source.
Appreciate the discussion!
Nowhere does it say you can't go to the inquisition and you MUST go to the Chaplain only. I cannot find anything about this anywhere. The Codex was written after the heresy by Roboute and he would not have written a rule that basically states that if you think your fellow marines might be chaos tainted you keep it from the people meant to enforce chaos-related laws and instead take it to someone who *might be compromised themselves*. This is cope because Leandros was absolutely acting in a reasonable way so people need some technicality to hate him for. "Oh, reporting wasn't wrong, he just reported to the wrong person!" is cope. You just want to be mad.
Grey Knights, there is a decent chance Leandros will be just a geneseed once the mission is done..
I just imagined his commander asking "where's bother Leandros" and a grey knight, or most likely an inquisitor) and he just dropping a bag with progenoides
Dark Angels: Leandros don’t know when to keep his mouth shut when he sees something he shouldn’t and half way through our mission he has a nasty fall.
"Sorry, we have no idea why there are 15 bolter wounds in his back!"
Sounds like a suicide to me.
Yes brother it was suicide.
That's an unfortunate accident, but it happens all the time...
Damn Ork snipers
Yarp.
In the face.
"it must have been... Ork snipers"
Leandros is gettting drug off by an Interrogator Chaplain after he runs his mouth.
Didn't the Lion got so angry that he punched one of his marine's head off, because he wouldn't shut up lol.
Dark Angel - Im so sorry UltraMarines while on our mission Leandros committed Suicide UltraMarines - Oh no how did it happen? Dark Angels - He stabbed himself iin the back 12 times then threw himself off a bridge ... it was very tragic
As the Black Templars say... **I FOLLOW THE CODEX, JUST NOT THE STUPID PARTS!**
**WE USE THOSE TO WIPE OUR ASSES!**
ALWAYS ANGRY ALL THE TIME
*beats him over the head with the Lectitio Divinitatus*
**Can we bring some tiny zealots?**
Charcharadons. Tyberos does not appreciate whining interrupting ambushes, Leandros is used as bait.
Homebrew or official? Official: I'll be honest, I don't know the Salamander's take on the codex so I can't make an accurate judgement. My Homebrew Ultramarine successors who were directly inspired by Captain "Motherfucking" Titus and know full well the limitations of the Codex: If he outranks me, begrudgingly listen to his shit before discussing his nonsense with my brothers over my evening nutrient paste. We honour our forebears, even if they're bellends. If I outrank him, take him on a wild ride of "Codex defiance". I think a signature jump pack assault through flak gun fire would be a good start...
Salamanders : Leandros's heroism in the sternguard protecting the refugee column will be recorded and his bones , wargear, and geneseed will be sent to Macragge .
A brother of honour
you say "Chapter" so... that implies it has to be the favourite of the loyalists... so uhm... no matter what... I guess... fight beside him and listen to Codex quotes until my ears bleed?
Leandros dies to friendly fire. While aboard the Thunderhawk. While it's still in the landing bay of the Strike Cruiser. While it is still docked at the shipyard.
Friendly fire, sir? I wasn't feeling very friendly when I shot him, sir.
No, he was killed by an purple Ork Sniper.
“Well done brother! What’s that over there?” *heavy bolter fire into the back of Astartes Skull.* “We are the tip of his spear, we are his mailed fist…”
Interrogator Chaplain Asmodai Leandros: "Brother Asmodai, one of the heretics is wearing ancient Dark Angels armour. Do you know anything about this?" Asmodai: *Quietly raises Crozius*
As an Iron Hand, just another proof that the flesh is weak. Another part of my body needing to be replaced by the rationality of the machine.
Space Wolves: I’ll drive Leandros insane by my lack of adherence to the codex and constant insertion of the word “wolf” into everyday speech.
The truly cunning wolf would rewrite the Codex so every other word is 'wolf'.
Still be hard to tell the difference 🤣🤣
"Tactical retreat?! Get back up on this wall and hold the fucking line Leandros!!! Even if there's a Chaos Knight headed our way!"
This sounds like either the Imperial Fists or Dark Angels.
Thanks! I was going for Imperial Fists
Let's see so the Emperor's Spears have had a very public falling out with the Ultramarines and one of their successors over not following the Codex. So if teamed up with Lt Book over here...hmm *power spear noises intensify*
"Hey Leandros, wanna know the story of that time I got possessed by a daemon ?"
So Leandros gets sent to the deathwatch…… Let the hilarity ensue.
Let me be one of the first: “That codex breaking little snot is going to find himself merked by some ‘Ork snipers’.”
How did he break the codex? Wasn’t he the “strictly by the book” guy?
By reporting Titus to the Inquisition. Codex says you’re supposed to report a battle brother to the chaplain or librarian if you suspect them of heresy
> Codex says you’re supposed to report a battle brother to the chaplain or librarian if you suspect them of heresy Can I get a lore citation for this? I’ve never seen that explicitly said or even implied in the lore.
It’s something I read somewhere at some point, its seems to be popularly believed, but upon looking briefly found nothing definitive. Claim comes from the wiki, but sourcing after that gets hazy. Could probably look more, but i gotta go to work lol. It is entirely possible its fanon Edit: I think its a strongish claim to make because it is part of the role if the chaplain, to ensure the loyalty of battle brothers
Thanks, yeah I don’t expect you to do a research paper for my Reddit comment. My experience is similar to yours. I’ve looked for it and found lots of Reddit posts but no references to a primary source.
I'm gonna be generous and assume that Leandros had just earned his pauldrons by SM1 and understandably still trying to find his footing. Indoctrination and training are one thing, the actual battles something else. That's why he was paired with Titus (talks even to humans like they're equals) and Sidonus (experience). That's why he snitches on Titus, it's what he's suppost to do. But he's not stupid, he realizes pretty quickly that was a bad move. So when he's assigned to another squad he keeps his head down, learns and tries to make friends with his brothers. Trying to understand where they come from and what it practically means to be an Ultramarine. I also hope that he picks up on the respect Titus had for human troops. Guess he just ends up being a nice and competent little soldier boy. Oh shit Oh fuck He's gonna be a protagonist in a BL novel!
In all reality, Leandros would end up dying like a bitch because of his inflexibility even when the codex recommends it, and his high willingness to betray his own for no actual reason. But if it's a black library book, somehow he would probably become the grand poo-bah of the whole galaxy because those books are just written like that.
Unironically send him to the deathwatch. Learn some other perspectives from different chapters. It's the space marine equivalent of going to college.
Leandros is a good bait to get the enemy warboss into position, where I can shoot him. (Raptors are my favourite chapter)
Which him? The Warboss or Leandros?
yes
Wait until their heads line up.
The Administratum appreciates you dedication to efficiency
Warboss. That way I can reuse Leandros as a bait, till he expires.
He sees me acquiring "relics" of the chapter and says that's against the codex astartes. He is never seen again, but his armor and bolter get a new coating of dark red paint and are given to an initiate.
A very generous gift from the ultramarines
Well as an iron hand I'm afraid we never got a leandros? That's his name. No he never, arrived. Oh the servitor over there? What, never seen an ogryn servitor before? Anyway inquisitor I think it's time you left.
Space Wolf: Leandros sees the fervent obsession with being absolutely hammered while in melee. He tries to reprimand the Space Wolf and is immediately knocked unconscious by being hit in the head with a mug.
How dare you say something so brave, yet so true?
Flesh Tearers is gonna frag that dude.
No Brother Andreaus, his name is not Horus.... Why did you start your chain blade? Brother... brother!? (Closet blood angels successor fan)
WHY HORUS?! YOU'VE BETRAYED EVERYTHING WE STOOD FOR! HORUSSSSSSSSSS!!
I probably cry and piss my pants from the first horror beyond human comprehension.
I as a night lord flay his flesh from armor and eat his gene seed. (I know they are not loyalist)
Raven Guard. I leave him as the distraction for my brothers, guardsmen and civilians.
As a retributor I'd tell him to shut up and focus on the mission instead of the golden forest shoved up his ultra-ass.
Iron Warriors. If this lad is gonna beat me over the head with his codex then it's completely fair game for me to beat him over the head with my shovel.
Marines Malevolent: oh great the target practice has arrived
Carcharodons. He won’t be happy.
Space Wolves: "Uhm, a Tau warrior hit him with a chain axe and his wolf kroot ate him afterwards."
As a loyal captain of The Purge, I recognise Leandros' presence as a fantastic opportunity to test some new pathogens and poxes.
Blood Ravens. So we would come back with a "gifted" set of power armor. Whether or not he survives in an active war zone after gifting it to us is not our problem.
The mission will either get done efficiently or Leandros sends a bolt round through my head for looking 1 second too long at a heretic.
Will Leandros help me skin more children?
# “BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD!!! SKULLS FOR THE SKULL THRONE!!!” “…Sure, battle brother.”
Space Wolves... I Imagine Leandros cringes so hard he looks like he spent a lifetime sucking a lemon
Grey knight would knock him unconscious for getting in the way and leave him at base.
Death Guard, sooo….
Blood Raven : Hippity Hoppity that armor now are property.
I’ve just received reliable intel that Leandros may be concealing information about… The Fallen… I’ve informed Asmodai that he may wish to have a word with him.
Kill him
knight lordz, so, he'll be the skin stretched over the my ceramite.
Me: Ohh look it's Titus again doing uncodex things again! Leandros: where!!? Me:knocks him out and draw funny doodles on his face
I am not a named character, right? Rip me I guess
Damn I wish I picked a nastier chapter for this I'm supposed to have restraint as a salamander here but doesn't mean I can't sock him once or twice... or a lot.
I'd call him out at every turn for violating the codex and being a hypocrite. Bonus points if I get to play as a Chaplain.
Official chapter: Salamanders, so I'd probably be fine with him? He's a bit too compliant but eh, whatever, standard Ultramarine. Homebrew chapter: Straight up stereotypical pirates (from an OC Legion, which broke up into 3:6:1 ratio of Imperial:Independent:Chaos), would toss him into the Warp before they even got into the combat zone.
Celestial Lions "Brother, your duty seems to be weighing a lot on your shoulders. Come, sit with us. We share our meal and you share your stories. We are all brothers, and we would love to hear you."
*sound of artillery shells, explosion* Forward artillery observer: CEASE FIRE CEASE FIRE, FRIENDLY FIRE! Battery command: Roger, noted. We'll inform high command their new coordinates were faulty.
Friendly fire.
Me, a son of Sanguinius, goes off to "secure an objective," comes back covered in blood and offers the book reader some "red wine". Later he looks more and more like Horus.
Leandros is now a nice pile of bloodied minced meat on the floor, courtesy of the Butcher's Nails. An Imperial victory for sure.
Pretend I only speak Khorchin and ignore everything he says.
White Scars me hops on my bike leaves him to run the rest of the way to the objective
"FAX my brother speak your shit!" (I am a ultramarine)
as a salamander, free hugs, THE CRUNCHY KIND.
Canon chapter? Well, the raven guard do follow the codex, but not religiously. Depending on the rank I'd either tell him to shut the hell up or just shut down his comms and go on doing whatever I am doing HB chapter? My dudes look at the codex as more like guidelines and suggestions, so he either better conform to the battle plan or get fucked while following his precious space book
Leandros and a black templar
Inquisitor and minotaurs show up and kill everyone except Leandros
“I respect your position, not the man you are. Titus deserved far better than a brother of your cloth”
I don't have one favorite chapter but my top picks would be: Blood Angels: find his stuck up and childishly by-the-book. like bro you have 100's of years of experiance use some initiative and understand you need to be flexable. Salamanders: dogmatic and weird. stop being such a whiny bitch, I hunted dragons when I was 15 and complained less than you. Black Templars: **say codex one more time and I'll use your skin to make my own book on why yours sucks**
Raven guard. Use his chromedome as bait while I sit a few miles away with a sniper
"Hey, Leandros! Could you hold this primed melta-grenade for me? I've lost the pin, will go look for it"
"And suddenly... the Warp took him... just whisked him away... Poof, nothing left"
Success (Leandros is ignored throughout the mission)
My favorite chapter is the night lords. I require more information on what the fuck are we fighting that Leandros is calling a truce and teaming up with one of them.
Does homebrew count? If not He's getting barely tolerated/Accidentally burnt to death in a tragic friendly Fire incident
Accidental friendly fire.
Fortification ensues
To be honest I bet that at least 75% of the "green" ultramarines are just like Leandros. Taught about the codex astartes and brainwashed by the Chaplains. Leandros is still an Astartes. He just needs a hundred years or more of experience to know when to bend the rules.
Sons of Horus… he ain’t coming back… and not just because he’s an ultramarine
It’s a shame what happened to him. Being sucked into a Warp portal… Anyway do you like my new cloak? It’s from Macragge. *laughs in Nostramen*
Spotted the blood raven
Leandros is dead. Must have been a chaos cultist. Oh don't worry about the red on my lighting claws. Just a new aesthetic we are trying
We get a little too aggressive with the heavy flamer usage. The civilians are thankfully safe and unharmed, but unfortunately for Leandros, Space Marines are not fireproof.
Salamander so as long as the codex doesn’t have any rules against saving people were cool
The blood ravens have generously decided to return brother leandros to macragge
As a Charcharodon, I'm locking him in the Sensory Deprivation tank until we get to wherever we're going
Stick him with the black templars. And then give it like, oh i dont know, 10min?
Minor accident occurs after he saw a strange looking Space Marine who wore black armor and looked knightly.
If I can't be a Custodes ill have to be a Dark Angel so... If he doesn't shoot me in the back of the head I'll always be on edge and probably accidentally turn him to paste with heavy bolter fire and if he does shoot me in the back of the head then he'll prolly claim I'm a heretic Either way it does not end well foe me
Oh no… Leandros fell out of the drop pod… at 10 kloms up… and got blasted by Ork AA fire… and was incinerated. He’s dead.
Leandros is most definitely bolter-style executioning a Lamenter
“I did NOT mean for Brother Leandros to slip and fall into an unused dreadnought chassis, I swear! But hey, the Ork menace is closing in and we need all the firepower we have, right?
The space wolves would shove him into a locker.
Skinned Alive. Guess
The prompt didn't specify that it has to be a loyalist SM... oh the things Leandros can see
Gabriel Seth. Gets knocked out
Yeah, he is gonna get eaten by a thunderwolf...
Anyone ever wonder how the Raven Guard can be so stealthy? It’s because guys like Leandros act as decoys
Chapter master of the silver skulls, Trazyn the infinite, adds another fine addition to his collection.
Kharn. World eaters. Pretty sure Kharn would beat him to death after telling me to not torch gore child
As an Unnamed Space Marine who just got introduced go a Named Character at the start of a new adventure I am probably going to die to establish the stakes.
Well, instead of me jumping first with a pack, I'm pushing Leandros out without one. Maybe I'll ride him down like a surfboard, idk; I'll decide in the thunderhawk
Thought #1: Why the fuck would a world eater be teamed up with a ultramarine Thought #2: what ever I'll just kill him
As a thousand sons fan I imagine a scarab occult terminator standing there motionless as without a psyker commander they are statues lol
Leandros is found having commit suicide with multiple bolter rounds to the head
Raptors, he probably gets killed by enemy fire for wearing bright blue and gold on a stealth mission
Depends I guess with the salamanders Leandros would probably bee seen as to strict but we can be friends until he finds a way for the codex to get between the Promethean cult and its duties, after that things get difficult
The mission goes fine. Seriously y'all give Leondros a mountain of shit but Titus literally says the Codex Astartes is more like a book of suggestions (As an ULTRAMARINE no less), touches the Chaos Object *with his hands* and has it in his possession for hours with no discernable effects, works with a dead inquisitor being puppeted by a chaos sorcerer, and goes up towards a big warp rift with said chaos object. From Leandros's perspective, Titus is REALLY FUCKING SUS. "Trust me bro I'm super loyal" is not a sufficient guarantor. Yeah, you can say the first place he should have gone is the Chaplain, but maybe they weren't around, or he was playing it safe. Calling in the Inquisition is absolutely a reasonable move in-universe to all of the super sketchy shit he just bore witness to.
We instantly start shooting each other (death guard)
Raven guard. He never sees me, and then I stab him in the back with my lightning claw when he's praying.
Iron Warriors are having a heyday fucking with him, lmao
Black Templars.he says one thing about the codex and hes not coming home
I'll give him the Black Templar treatment of the Inquisition. Personally. Because accide ts on board void faring vessels happen