Dr. Cox was also a musician and I think the band was successful but not like Dr. Brian May! The group was called Dare and he played keyboards. I loved watching him shred an oil company stooge on climate change.
They were a bit of a one hit wonder, but even now id say the majority of people in the UK over the age of 30 would be familiar with the song, which is a pretty big achievement.
Intellectuals are scared to go onto the podcast because of what people will think of them. When in reality they should be wanting to go on even more to counter any misinformation theyâve heard on it. The worst thing they can do is all back away and let it become a right wing echo chamber. Some of these people need some balls
Then that means they care about their perception⌠Itâs the biggest podcast in the world, what better way is there to stop misinformation? Especially to the audience who is hearing it. Sometimes youâve gotta put aside your ego and do something for the betterment of everyone.
And have Rogan fight you the whole way and his merry band of sycophants attack you regardless of what you say? Youâre making the classic mistake of assuming whoever wins a debate must be right. That isnât true at all
Lol it's not just criticism when every post on this Reddit is just nothing but hate. at this point I'm wondering why half the people are here because all I see is just constant s*** talking. Not even to the point of criticism just to be angry lol. Joe's always had his flaws.
The "conspiracy theorists" were right about a lot of stuff but everybody wants to keep sucking big pharma dick while saying leedle leedle leedle Lee
One in 35 chance of myocardial injury: https://youtu.be/cd_RTf_ForA?si=_FSQq5RbfwmraxxD
27 times better off with natural immunity: https://youtu.be/IiA1S6NvCo4?si=JaAEu-Ph6Gz3OYn1
Patients treated with correct & doctor prescribed doses of Ivermectin had 66% fewer symptoms during infection: https://youtu.be/fR4jEvuoF6I?si=yGOzNcmbdbYP3uLi
The revolving door of drug regulatory agencies:
https://youtu.be/nn-VBo-edHY?si=P2XYr9m_mNOcUaCP
There are so many reputable sources for this that I'm not listing anything other than these videos, which do have various sources in the video descriptions.
Leedle leedle leedle lee:
https://youtu.be/rO2_65yuLsw?si=mwZsOnh-VWGOkxUz
>One in 35 chance of myocardial injury: https://youtu.be/cd_RTf_ForA?si=_FSQq5RbfwmraxxD
Why do anti-vaxxers keep posting this study. It's dishonest. It's a flair up that's a sign myocardial injury which is temporary. You're way more likely to get myocarditis or myocardial injury from catching COVID.
>27 times better off with natural immunity: https://youtu.be/IiA1S6NvCo4?si=JaAEu-Ph6Gz3OYn1
That's if you don't get myocarditis which most of you freaks are obsessed with. You're also better off with the vaccine AND natural immunity.
I think he's been on twice? I have listened to those episodes multiple times. Joe is at his best when he just lets the guest speak freely and passionately about their subject of expertise without being interrupted with some dumbass factoid lol.
I saw a cool video where they Xrayed the bones. It showed how theyâre all mismatched and the aliens are just various bones from various people. Some of them are upside down, and none of the joints match or work, like theyâre not even or connected properly. I know this comment is ignorant because itâs the internet and I didnât do a ton of research. But it seems like itâs most likely a hoax made recently, or some sort of pre Colombian American artifacts. I could think of a handful of reasons why small sort of imitation mummies would be made.
Nah you're right. They reckon the skull is actually just the back end of an alpaca/Llama skull turned upside down... And like you say, the bones are terribly mismatched and different lengths etc.
The llama/ alpaca skull even makes sense because those were such an important animal as the only domesticated pack animal in South America at the time. However the little mummies are from Mexico, which you could even presume that the ancients who made the mummies thought of them as rare animals that had a ton of value.
Unknown doesn't mean extraterrestrial.
It could be animal DNA and they were testing it against a human set, it could be that 70% is just degraded enough over the years to not sequence correctly, or a variety of other explanations.
We need to wait until the DNA is sequenced by other labs and the results critically reviewed to see if that claim holds water.
70% of the DNA has never been found on earth, itâs completely unknown and it was sequenced by multiple international consortiums supposedly.
Iâm not saying I believe in it but thatâs one *big* hole that people seem to just keep skipping over.
Well then maybe despite the fact that these are clearly a bunch of human and animal bones and that aliens wouldn't look or be built anything like us...you're right.
Either that or they just haven't identified the other DNA yet. Or that claim is just straight up bullshit.
Even their genetic code being DNA based to begin with is a huge assumption.
Yeah I did misunderstand it after re-reading.
âUndiscoveredâ DNA isnât the same as âDegradedâ DNA though. Iâd wager to say if it was degraded then that 70% was just that, degraded DNA that canât be sequenced but thatâs not how it was stated.
Results werenât total Homo Sapien, it was a 30% match to Homo Sapien in that specific sequence.
And yeah, that guy is kind of a kook but does it not raise an eyebrow that he present this *under oath* to the Mexican National Government?
Again, Iâm not saying I believe it and Iâm not saying I donât. Iâm saying there are holes that havenât been answered completely yet.
You are being scammed. The guy is a scammer.
https://www.hindustantimes.com/world-news/two-non-human-alien-corpses-unveiled-in-mexico-congress-who-is-ufologist-jaime-maussan-101694597362929.html
https://www.newsnationnow.com/space/ufo/ufologist-alien-corpses-mexico-ufo/
I donât believe it but I also donât not believe it. Middle ground, there are skeptic holes that havenât been answered. Who the fuck knows when weâre talking about aliens especially with everything thatâs been going on lately.
Bullshit or not (the mummies), the creatures might be real.
2 such other cases, very similar, but not mummified.
https://reddit.com/r/UFOs/s/0j8cuovTbs
And
https://reddit.com/r/StrangeEarth/s/C0Gmr0wqJo
Why these homies crashing so much? Youâd think with the tech required to make it across the galaxy that theyâd have a better success rate than our own commercial pilots
There are 3 possible reasons
1) machine malfunction, pilot mistake. Happens to even the pros here.
2) radar or nuclear testing energy particles messing up their systems.
3) Sphere Ufo.
Spheres
https://youtu.be/Ak_O3K3OsR0?si=yoR-J_nFAXmY9AR1
And search on Youtube for Patrick Jackson
Rofl. Makes its way thousands of years at presumably light speed to earth, crashes when it arrives cus bad driver.
Civilization so advanced they can travel the universe, didn't account for other Civilizations have nuclear testing capabilities.
Spheres bro.
I think all the sci fi stories about traveling to other solar systems make people severely underestimate just how vast the distances are and how insanely difficult it would be to make such a journey. The idea that a civilization would have the resources and technology to make the journey to our solar system regularly, but not the resources and technology to not get drunk (or whatever) and crash on the Earth all the time once they get here is pretty hilarious.
The #1 thing I was taught in high school was critical thinking. I don't understand how people make out out of high school and even college and still fall prey to this shit. It's so obvious if you have even two braincells to rub together. Hitting anything at even the size of the tip of a pencil at light speed is multiple nuclear bombs level of energy that would be released. They navigated for, by definition, thousands of years at the fastest speed possible, managing to hit nothing even that small, but got here and, "Whoops we made fucky wucky?" Every argument they make is entirely lacking even a touch of critical thinking. I genuinely don't understand it.
Ok idk what is your problem but these are the only actual reasons known by the military and in general. Whatever, you clearly know more than all of them combined. đ¤ˇđźââď¸
jeremy corbell apparently just bought a million plus dollar house in LA.. do you think he's affording that if he was still just the 'quantum jiu jitsu' guy? look up how much he charges for meet and greets at the various conventions he talks at.. ufo grifting is very lucrative...
Itâs the Mexican government what do they have to gain? Is this a global effort to monetize UFO culture? Is there some truth sprinkled within all these recent news or is it all a huge psy op for something else? What the hell is really going on here ?
The Mexican government did not present these things as aliens lol. It was an open hearing that invited basically anyone to share what they wanted. The only psy op going on is the ones people are doing on themselves by accepting headlines they've misread as facts, and/or not recognizing obviously sensationalist media.
It's a long story. But Robert Bigelow has a lot to do with it. He's been pumping money into this topic. And grifters and fantasists have flocked to it.
Many of them have govt and military credentials.. Much like when former military people got involved with qanon. Sycophantic believers are cash cows for people willing to launder their credentials by entertaining nonsense. The public sees possible alien disclosure. They see dollar signs, fame, adulation from ufo Twitter etc., and self-importance... but not all are grifters. Some are true believers too. Many are both.
But for a quick summary of the origins of this current ufo flap.. listen to two very short podcast episodes: skeptoid - ufo rogues gallery part 1 and 2. It tells the story of Bigelow and this group that call themselves, the "invisible college". It all comes down to them. https://spotify.link/HuSPZHUP5Cb here's part 1. They're only 15 minutes each.
For a deeper dive, watch this series.. Steven greenstreet started out a believer but that season of his show was when the lies started to collapse for him.. and he goes deep into the history: https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLwNrNqsuwF1mldXT6iVp0JqZA4845KSDF&si=WhdyIq6tXdtGrvYZ
If you want the longer history, read the men who stare at goats by Jon ronson.. or at least read about it. Much of this ties back to some of those same people. Believe it or not, a lot of his is driven not by alien belief, but belief in the paranormal in general. Ghosts, psychic powers, all kinds of shit. There's a faction within the military who are completely convinced of all of this. And they dress it up as simply ufo stuff to make it more palatable for PR reasons. As steven greenstreet points out in one of those videos, Leslie kean who wrote that big NYT article in 2017, admitted to leaving out the ghosts and werewolves part of the story to make it more legitimate sounding. It's all about PR and image.
Worldwide conspiracy to exploit a very niche market for monetary gain? What about the small percentage of empirical data that canât be explained that can be corroborated between eyewitness testimony, radar , video , etc? I donât think all of the data can be explained as some DARPA, shadow Government military technology. It seems more plausible that they are things that we cannot explain and we have not figured out, but we also donât want to reveal our hand of what we know and donât know, because this technology could revolutionize the way we live in modern society, and each country is in a race to figure it out on their own to have an edge on everyone else
Niche's can be lucrative too. And it's a not big conspiracy. It's a handful of fanatics. Something like scientology is probably much bigger.
Dr David Kipping (astronomer) had a great point on a YouTube video he made about this stuff.. Let's say pilots are very good at not misidentifying things, let's say they misidentify something once every 10,000 hours of flying (which is very rare, most pilots will never see a ufo). Across the US military, that's about 550 ufo cases caused by misidentification per year.. that's in the ball park of what we actually see.
It's on the believers to show that something else extraordinary is going on in addition to that, with evidence.. that there is some signal that stands out from that background noise.That evidence has never once materialized.
What's more, is that pilots claim to be seeing things that the physics and astronomy communities are not.. the physics and astronomy communities are global communities, under many different governments, equipped with precise instruments, and dedicated training in understanding error and uncertainty, camera effects, background noise sources, cognitive biases etc.. and they've all missed these things? But military personnel, often with no scientific training, they're the ones that have found it, but meanwhile can never provide evidence, 70 years on?
That's an allegation of a far more absurd conspiracy than just saying a handful of pilots are wrong (when we can prove that some of the time they are), and that there are grifters (when we can prove they've grifted before), and that there's a sensationalist media amplifying it all (again, provable). That's not a conspiracy. That's clearly the world we live in.
Bullshit or not (the mummies), the creatures might be real.
2 such other cases, very similar, but not mummified.
https://reddit.com/r/UFOs/s/0j8cuovTbs
And
https://reddit.com/r/StrangeEarth/s/C0Gmr0wqJo
Which is a true testament to his extreme professionalism, because thatâs absolutely the only response he owes anyone given that his time is better spent doing quite literally anything else other than debunking this nonsense.
The reason why this is considered new info is because they released the DNA gene sequencing, check out the topic on r/genetics. Scientists are able to independently study and verify it:
https://www.reddit.com/r/genetics/comments/16hb5th/nhi_genome_studies_mexico_govt_sept_12/
>This mummies could be a lot of different things, aliens included. IMHO, we should continue analyzing this data in rigorous ways. What I would do is to remove all cross contamination and try to align the reads to a human genome (which is different to the NCBI's STAT), under the null hypothesis that these are some close relative to us (still interesting). Alternatively I would try to assemble this reads, identify potential genes and run a BUSCO analysis (Benchmark Universal Single Copy Orthologs) to see if said genes correspond to what we have on earth.
>I would also like to know more about the DNA extraction protocols, as cross contamination is a huge issue.
>All in all, I think that this are exciting developments, and I congratulate all the people involved for their transparency.
They literally just released 150gb of dna sequencing 2 days ago, they are literally talking about how it was previously debunked and they literally claim the data literally proves their case. I literally don't believe it is literally aliens but literal scientists can literally review their data and verify or dispute their literal claims.
Seriously? Dude Google is your friend not your enemy.
"Eventually, in late 2018, then Peruvian Congressman Armando Villanueva proposed a bill to officially declare the investigation of the Nazca mummies an item of national interest, which could potentially provide resources to analyze them.
By the time Villanueva made his proposal to the Peruvian congress, scientists concluded from at least four independent analyses of DNA samples and other mummy materials that they were modified, pre-Columbian mummies. The man who reportedly discovered the mummies had previously been arrested by police for possessing forged bank notes and gold in 2007, and for affiliation with a gang dedicated to stealing and illicitly trading archeological artifacts of the Nazca civilization."
That article is from 2020.
Im aware of all that, my point is they have made new claims and released new data. Perfectly aware that its probably bullshit but debunking from 3 years ago is mostly unrelated to the data they just released
https://ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sra/PRJNA861322
https://ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sra/PRJNA869134
https://ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sra/PRJNA865375
I loooove Brian Cox. I only recently discovered him somehow, but he does an incredible job at explaining science, possibly one of the best Iâve ever heard. Awesome guy from what I can tell.
That said⌠I figured evolution would be fairly likely to lead to a humanoid shape, especially for an intelligent species that could travel. He knows more than I do, so I guess I could be wrong but I really suspected humanoid shape is a decent likelihood.
If he's only popped up on your radar, I don't know if these got anywhere in the US, but he was also the keyboardist in a band in the 90s who had some pretty big (and amazingly 90s) hits this side of the pond. Just a random big of trivia.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=V6QhAZckY8w&pp=ygUhZCByZWFtIHRoaW5ncyBjYW4gb25seSBnZXQgYmV0dGVy
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=e0MlJveaGEo&pp=ygUGZCByZWFt
This makes a couple assumptions, the biggest I think is that evolution would be a universal concept. Just because life changes overtime through evolution here on earth doesn't necessarily mean that it would on a different planet. After all, evolution relies on mutations in DNA to help a new organism adapt to a specific environmental requirement, but if some alien life form doesn't use DNA, well for one we'd probably have to reclassify what life is entirely from our current understanding, but evolution as we think of it may not apply.
Other point of note, intelligent life doesn't necessarily have to be humanoid at all. Apart from humans, the smartest animals on earth are the other great apes, dolphins, and elephants. The only reason we take on the "humanoid" shape is because we're primates. Say 1000 generations from now, if elephants or dolphins evolve to become as smart as we are now, they aren't gonna suddenly look like us too. The intelligence and humanoid shape are more correlation than causation IMO.
1000 generations? Lol man⌠Iâm sorry but you donât know what youâre talking about.
Also these animals, while smart, lack the hands that are required to advance on that evolutionary tree.
Last, life wouldnât exist without evolution.
Why would aliens visit us in person. It's not like they could instant travel through space.
We don't go across earth in person to pass the message. We send and receive data.
If aliens would want to scout universe they would send surrogates/hosts that endures fast and long travels and can report information back. More like virus swarms, microorganisms. Or just seeds(Prometheus style)
Any physical junky star wars/trek travels in spaceship are very unlikely.
It's like sending pigeon to the moon.
For what itâs worth, there are scientists who think that if there was intelligent life out there, they probably would look somewhat similar to humans, or at least have very common characteristics.
The idea, from what I understand, is that things like our large heads, bipedalism, long digits on our hands, etc. all contributed to why humans are so intelligent and are able to manipulate the world like we do. So if thereâs aliens on some other planet, and they were going to be intelligent as well, theyâd also need those same characteristics. We already know that convergent evolution happens in nature, where two completely disticnt species evolve to look the same in two different parts of the world (like deer or possums and opossums) so itâs reasonable to assume it would happen from planet to planet.
Also itâs based on the expectation that other planets that are capable of supporting life will look like earth. Since planets need to be in that goldilocks zone, they similarly have liquid water, plant life of some kind that would likely evolve using similar adaptations as earth plants have, and so on. Obviously nothing would match exactly, but the idea that weâd just go to another planet and find some blob creature or something that builds ships just doesnât jive with our understanding of biology and evolution.
Iâm no biologist tho
> That said⌠I figured evolution would be fairly likely to lead to a humanoid shape, especially for an intelligent species that could travel.
All signs point to crab. Humanoid unlikely.
>The whole hands thing matters to take our path.
Not necessarily.
I think youre placing too much importance on the humanoid form. Other intelligent species exist, albeit not crabs so much. Birds, elephants, octopi all come to mind.
Why are people assuming they're aliens? They were found in a cave, so they could've been some humanoid species that lives underground..? (The hopis ant people)
I dont believe it at all; the dude that "*found*" them is a con artist, the cheap containers they're in, 1/3 of their DNA is lima beans.
But are people just assuming they are from space because they look like ET from the movie?
Funny you should say that as he was the scientific advisor on the film Sunshine and the main character was based loosely on him.... and played by Cillian Murphy.
I'm a Brian Cox fan and I don't buy the alien mummy thing but you need to spit in a beaker for 23&me so I don't think that will work. r/genetics had some pretty interesting posts on the topic. From what I gather it's no small feat to get DNA from a mummified specimen and due to the unprofessional method used to sample what they have now no one is going to want to touch it. Also, convergent evolution is a thing. Species that do the same thing will take similar forms. So another technology producing species isn't unlikely to look that different from us.
I disagree with him that intelligent aliens wouldnât be humanoid. I think they are more likely to be humanoid than not, thatâs how convergent evolution works. Organisms evolve similar tools to achieve similar objectives. Itâs likely that stereovision, bipedal mobility, and opposable thumbs are just as important to the development of higher intelligence as a larger brain cavity
We have plenty of examples of convergent evolution. We have a Billion years of evolutionary history on this planet and only one species has reached sapience, and it looks like us. Thatâs all the info we do have. What info does Brian Cox have that makes him so certain they WONT look anything like us?
Examples of convergent evolution would lead me to believe other sentient life would be a crab or an insect with larger brains or some sort of advanced hivemind
Yeah, even with a sample size of one, we can make certain assumptions and have a good chance of being right.
For example, eyes have evolved multiple times, so there's a good chance eyes are ubiquitous. A sectioned body (arms, legs, and a head attached to a core) has evolved multiple times.
There are things that have evolved only once, but are such amazingly good ideas that I'm comfortable saying they're a requirement. One example is an internal skeleton (and yes, I've read Andy Weir).
That said, I still think they're a little *too* close, and I'm not ready to believe they're aliens until a lot of scientists have had a chance to look at them. To me, the real test isn't the one presentation, it's how open the authorities are with scientists.
Honestly though, a really advanced alien species is probably never going to have face-to-face contact with us. They're probably going to create "biological machines" that we wouldn't even recognize as non-human. Remotely-piloted drones made of flesh and blood, with only a small part of the brain used to transmit and receive data, and that small part self destructs in a way that leaves no trace.
You are missing the point. There are a million reasons why a highly evolved species could remain hidden and very few theoretical ways they could travel the expanse of space. The odds they came from some other planet are much smaller.
>There are a million reasons why a highly evolved species could remain hidden
Not very likely, no. There will always be archaeological evidence left behind somewhere. Unless they've never migrated to find food or always pick up every single tool they've ever made and never leave garbage behind.... It's so small a chance as to be practically zero.
>Not very likely, no. There will always be archaeological evidence left behind somewhere.
Depends entirely on the time frames. If they evolved a billion years ago for example there would be virtually nothing
While I agree that the mummies are fake, this is an extremely myopic and shallow take and I find a lot of great scientific minds have trouble thinking outside the box.
How would an advanced species communicate with a less advanced species?
If an advanced non human species wanted to come to earth and contact humans, it seems logical they would create âintermediaryâ beings that somewhat resemble the humans you are trying to communicate with.
Similar enough to where you donât scare them, but different enough so they know you are exotic.
We do the same thing when scientists try to get close to studying Pandas in the wild, they actually wear Panda suits.
Mimicry and camouflage are some of the most common tactics in nature.
Bullshit or not (the mummies), the creatures might be real.
2 such other cases, very similar, but not mummified.
https://reddit.com/r/UFOs/s/0j8cuovTbs
And
https://reddit.com/r/StrangeEarth/s/C0Gmr0wqJo
Howâs it unlikely that an intelligent species wouldnât look similar to us? As if weâd have any idea what other species would look like. Just as likely to look similar to us then to something completely different.
And the second sentence is a bit dumb considering the evidence, dna and scans have been done by multiple scientist from multiple different countries already.
Itâs unlikely because we have evolved based on the atmospheric levels of this planet. We are the size and shape due to the climatic and physical conditions that we have evolved in.
Itâs why dinosaurs were huge because there were higher levels of oxygen in the air at the time.
I agree with that however have you looked at the structure and composition of these âaliensâ?
They would not be able to even walk on this Earth as they canât bend their arms or legs. They literally donât have any joints/sockets. So if they live on a similar world to Earth then they use similar laws of physics.
Yeah theyâre weird as fuck but itâs hard to theorise about things when we have no idea how they really work. All weâre doing is putting our own knowledge and experiences when they could be completely irrelevant.
Yep those are all legit questions and Iâve got about another 10 more Iâd love to know but weâll have to wait and see. I just fucking hope that other independent research or universities that study these things actually release the data and findings. I fear if anywhere in America gets involved theyâll just keep it all secret.
I'm not going to lie, I love reading all about it and I love that it's gone mainstream. However, it seems the more I 'look into it', the more sceptical I have become about the whole situation.
Edit: Mods deleted my comment that merely just asked questions about the âalienâ. Truly bizarre.
So called science "communicators" are like "influencers" for fashions, etc. You'd be better off ignoring them.
I feel like him and NdT have both been irrelevant for years.
It's not their opinions, necessarily, it's the way they both "communicate" them.
Science is boring, but as "communicators", they regularly have step outside of science, and make grandstanding style statements (like this tweet) to excite people. I feel like doing this repetitively, year after year, makes them lose sight of their original mission in favor of getting more and more views, likes, and shares.
Suggesting 23andMe sounds funny, and I'm sure he'll get lots of laughs, and hence likes, etc, etc. But, this tweet is garbage.
"Science is boring, but as "communicators", they regularly have step outside of science, and make grandstanding style statements (like this tweet) to excite people."
He starts the tweet off by saying he's been asked about this story. I get the feeling that he thinks so little of this story that he's responding with what he thinks it deserves. You and i may find it a little condescending but he lives in a world where every theory and suggestion is brutally scrutinised. It's all about evidence that can be backed up and replicated. The evidence that has currently be put forward is by no means bullet proof.
Jaime Maussan - a self-proclaimed ufologist and journalist whose coverage on aliens was debunked in 2015 has now presented two fossilized bodies of what he claimed were ânon-humanâ corpses. Hmmmmm.
Brian Cox has been described as the natural successor for the BBC's scientific programming by both David Attenborough and Patrick Moore.
He's very good at simplifying complex theories and turning them into digestible soundbites for the average joe to consume.
I just think thatâs exactly how an alien would look to us. Seems too much like what we see in the movies and idk if thatâs what they look like. I would assume they would look vastly different from what our brains have concocted
This is kind of a silly comment on it imo. I think the "mummies" are horse shit but the "why would they be humanoids" line is kind of the hubris of man. Why couldn't it be that they were first and WE are copies or off branches of another? Also 23 and me? How about an actual fucking lab? Lol
Lol, so stupid statement. Why is it unlikely for an intelligent alien to be humanoid? Evolution isn't random, species are adapting to the environment so those living in the water would likely be looking like a fish, those flying in the air will have wings and inteligent species will probably be humanoid. As I know, the laws of physics are the same in the universe.
this 'very unlikely' claim is based on nothing, we only have our own environment and biosphere as a frame of reference
i haven't seen them and am inclined to doubt anyway though
Too humanoid? Are you fucking kidding me?! Consider this: a significant number of alien abduction reports and "leaks" describe humanoid grey aliens. So, it shouldnât be surprising. From a probability perspective, considering the diverse species on Earth, the only known intelligent life is humanoid. Using Bayesian probability, the prior would be "humanoids are intelligent." This makes it more probable, based on our limited sample size, for intelligent extraterrestrial life to be humanoid than non-humanoid. In other words, given that the only intelligent life we know of on Earth is humanoid, and many alien reports suggest humanoid beings, itâs probable that intelligent life elsewhere is also humanoid.
damn joe needs to have brian back on, he was one of my fav guests
Years ago Brian did a science channel series that covered how stars work and even since then ive been a big fan of Brian.
Dr. Cox was also a musician and I think the band was successful but not like Dr. Brian May! The group was called Dare and he played keyboards. I loved watching him shred an oil company stooge on climate change.
*I'm guessing that was auto-correct but they were called D:Ream
My bad! The auto correct drives me nuts sometimes!
They were a bit of a one hit wonder, but even now id say the majority of people in the UK over the age of 30 would be familiar with the song, which is a pretty big achievement.
I think, after covid, people with he's type of intelligence will think twice before go on JRE.
Interested to hear his takes on Ivermectin, trans people in sports and classroom litter boxes.
đ exactly
That's sad that extremist in the media will attack you for going on the most popular podcast in the world to have open discussions
What?
Intellectuals are scared to go onto the podcast because of what people will think of them. When in reality they should be wanting to go on even more to counter any misinformation theyâve heard on it. The worst thing they can do is all back away and let it become a right wing echo chamber. Some of these people need some balls
Is it not possible intellectuals donât care about perception and just want nothing to do with him?
Then that means they care about their perception⌠Itâs the biggest podcast in the world, what better way is there to stop misinformation? Especially to the audience who is hearing it. Sometimes youâve gotta put aside your ego and do something for the betterment of everyone.
And have Rogan fight you the whole way and his merry band of sycophants attack you regardless of what you say? Youâre making the classic mistake of assuming whoever wins a debate must be right. That isnât true at all
https://youtu.be/jM2FQrRYyas?si=sRgC66wis60FTulr Sean Carroll made a good effort laying out what some Intellectuals feel about Rogan.
Sean Carroll has like the most soothing voice for some reason lol
His podcast, Mindscape, is really good.
They don't need balls. They need to be invited on. Pahlease. If it wasn't an echo chamber actual scientists that push back would have been on by now.
Intellectuals donât want to go on the podcast bc of what itâs turned into tbf. Itâs a shell of what it once was
sorry man i forgot the JRE sub is literally just full of hate watchers
I repeat, What? Grow a spine lol. People can and should criticise Joe. Crying about criticism just makes you a pussy
Lol it's not just criticism when every post on this Reddit is just nothing but hate. at this point I'm wondering why half the people are here because all I see is just constant s*** talking. Not even to the point of criticism just to be angry lol. Joe's always had his flaws.
I guess its because he has gotten worse
Well to be perfectly fair since 2011 he's blatantly told everyone listening that he's r*tarded and should not be listened to on a litany of topics.
The "conspiracy theorists" were right about a lot of stuff but everybody wants to keep sucking big pharma dick while saying leedle leedle leedle Lee One in 35 chance of myocardial injury: https://youtu.be/cd_RTf_ForA?si=_FSQq5RbfwmraxxD 27 times better off with natural immunity: https://youtu.be/IiA1S6NvCo4?si=JaAEu-Ph6Gz3OYn1 Patients treated with correct & doctor prescribed doses of Ivermectin had 66% fewer symptoms during infection: https://youtu.be/fR4jEvuoF6I?si=yGOzNcmbdbYP3uLi The revolving door of drug regulatory agencies: https://youtu.be/nn-VBo-edHY?si=P2XYr9m_mNOcUaCP There are so many reputable sources for this that I'm not listing anything other than these videos, which do have various sources in the video descriptions. Leedle leedle leedle lee: https://youtu.be/rO2_65yuLsw?si=mwZsOnh-VWGOkxUz
>One in 35 chance of myocardial injury: https://youtu.be/cd_RTf_ForA?si=_FSQq5RbfwmraxxD Why do anti-vaxxers keep posting this study. It's dishonest. It's a flair up that's a sign myocardial injury which is temporary. You're way more likely to get myocarditis or myocardial injury from catching COVID. >27 times better off with natural immunity: https://youtu.be/IiA1S6NvCo4?si=JaAEu-Ph6Gz3OYn1 That's if you don't get myocarditis which most of you freaks are obsessed with. You're also better off with the vaccine AND natural immunity.
No, it's cope. 99%0is nonsense. And if you believe ANYTHING, you will be right or sort of right 1% of yhe time, like Alex jones.
yea hes awesome. Joe hasnt had any space science guys on in awhile. oh he didnhave Michio Kaku fee months ago. but i need more
Also Michio Kaku is a quack.
I think he's been on twice? I have listened to those episodes multiple times. Joe is at his best when he just lets the guest speak freely and passionately about their subject of expertise without being interrupted with some dumbass factoid lol.
his got nothin on hinchcliff
I saw a cool video where they Xrayed the bones. It showed how theyâre all mismatched and the aliens are just various bones from various people. Some of them are upside down, and none of the joints match or work, like theyâre not even or connected properly. I know this comment is ignorant because itâs the internet and I didnât do a ton of research. But it seems like itâs most likely a hoax made recently, or some sort of pre Colombian American artifacts. I could think of a handful of reasons why small sort of imitation mummies would be made.
Nah you're right. They reckon the skull is actually just the back end of an alpaca/Llama skull turned upside down... And like you say, the bones are terribly mismatched and different lengths etc.
The llama/ alpaca skull even makes sense because those were such an important animal as the only domesticated pack animal in South America at the time. However the little mummies are from Mexico, which you could even presume that the ancients who made the mummies thought of them as rare animals that had a ton of value.
What about the 70% of unknown DNA that was found?
Unknown doesn't mean extraterrestrial. It could be animal DNA and they were testing it against a human set, it could be that 70% is just degraded enough over the years to not sequence correctly, or a variety of other explanations. We need to wait until the DNA is sequenced by other labs and the results critically reviewed to see if that claim holds water.
70% of the DNA has never been found on earth, itâs completely unknown and it was sequenced by multiple international consortiums supposedly. Iâm not saying I believe in it but thatâs one *big* hole that people seem to just keep skipping over.
Well then maybe despite the fact that these are clearly a bunch of human and animal bones and that aliens wouldn't look or be built anything like us...you're right. Either that or they just haven't identified the other DNA yet. Or that claim is just straight up bullshit. Even their genetic code being DNA based to begin with is a huge assumption.
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Yeah I did misunderstand it after re-reading. âUndiscoveredâ DNA isnât the same as âDegradedâ DNA though. Iâd wager to say if it was degraded then that 70% was just that, degraded DNA that canât be sequenced but thatâs not how it was stated. Results werenât total Homo Sapien, it was a 30% match to Homo Sapien in that specific sequence. And yeah, that guy is kind of a kook but does it not raise an eyebrow that he present this *under oath* to the Mexican National Government? Again, Iâm not saying I believe it and Iâm not saying I donât. Iâm saying there are holes that havenât been answered completely yet.
You are being scammed. The guy is a scammer. https://www.hindustantimes.com/world-news/two-non-human-alien-corpses-unveiled-in-mexico-congress-who-is-ufologist-jaime-maussan-101694597362929.html https://www.newsnationnow.com/space/ufo/ufologist-alien-corpses-mexico-ufo/
I mean, the human genome project finished in 2003 ⌠have we finish the rest of the earth since then?
Donât lie, you believe it lmfao
I donât believe it but I also donât not believe it. Middle ground, there are skeptic holes that havenât been answered. Who the fuck knows when weâre talking about aliens especially with everything thatâs been going on lately.
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Look up the mummies from Guanajuato. Ofcourse they have the capabilities. Theyâre a country of 130 million people, not Guatemala my guy.
Considering the DNA testing was done by an international consortium, yes lol
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Read this thread to see why these tests don't mean much: https://www.reddit.com/r/genetics/comments/16hb5th/nhi_genome_studies_mexico_govt_sept_12
So they can reassemble mammals the way we build with trees and metal?
I mean even YOU could reassemble mammals the way this 'alien' is put together.
Bullshit or not (the mummies), the creatures might be real. 2 such other cases, very similar, but not mummified. https://reddit.com/r/UFOs/s/0j8cuovTbs And https://reddit.com/r/StrangeEarth/s/C0Gmr0wqJo
Why these homies crashing so much? Youâd think with the tech required to make it across the galaxy that theyâd have a better success rate than our own commercial pilots
Technical difficulties occur, no mater the technology.
There are 3 possible reasons 1) machine malfunction, pilot mistake. Happens to even the pros here. 2) radar or nuclear testing energy particles messing up their systems. 3) Sphere Ufo. Spheres https://youtu.be/Ak_O3K3OsR0?si=yoR-J_nFAXmY9AR1 And search on Youtube for Patrick Jackson
Rofl. Makes its way thousands of years at presumably light speed to earth, crashes when it arrives cus bad driver. Civilization so advanced they can travel the universe, didn't account for other Civilizations have nuclear testing capabilities. Spheres bro.
I think all the sci fi stories about traveling to other solar systems make people severely underestimate just how vast the distances are and how insanely difficult it would be to make such a journey. The idea that a civilization would have the resources and technology to make the journey to our solar system regularly, but not the resources and technology to not get drunk (or whatever) and crash on the Earth all the time once they get here is pretty hilarious.
The #1 thing I was taught in high school was critical thinking. I don't understand how people make out out of high school and even college and still fall prey to this shit. It's so obvious if you have even two braincells to rub together. Hitting anything at even the size of the tip of a pencil at light speed is multiple nuclear bombs level of energy that would be released. They navigated for, by definition, thousands of years at the fastest speed possible, managing to hit nothing even that small, but got here and, "Whoops we made fucky wucky?" Every argument they make is entirely lacking even a touch of critical thinking. I genuinely don't understand it.
Ok idk what is your problem but these are the only actual reasons known by the military and in general. Whatever, you clearly know more than all of them combined. đ¤ˇđźââď¸
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Maybe the aliens are abducting people to steal small bone segments to patch up their own, hence everything is mismatched... Joking of course..
Whatâs the motive ? I still canât figure out why all this âdisclosureâ
jeremy corbell apparently just bought a million plus dollar house in LA.. do you think he's affording that if he was still just the 'quantum jiu jitsu' guy? look up how much he charges for meet and greets at the various conventions he talks at.. ufo grifting is very lucrative...
>>In July 2023, the median listing home price in Los Angeles, CA was $1.2M -realtor.com So he⌠bought a totally average home in LA?
Itâs the Mexican government what do they have to gain? Is this a global effort to monetize UFO culture? Is there some truth sprinkled within all these recent news or is it all a huge psy op for something else? What the hell is really going on here ?
The Mexican government did not present these things as aliens lol. It was an open hearing that invited basically anyone to share what they wanted. The only psy op going on is the ones people are doing on themselves by accepting headlines they've misread as facts, and/or not recognizing obviously sensationalist media.
So whatâs youâre theory on the u.s and Mexican congressional hearings ? Lol
It's a long story. But Robert Bigelow has a lot to do with it. He's been pumping money into this topic. And grifters and fantasists have flocked to it. Many of them have govt and military credentials.. Much like when former military people got involved with qanon. Sycophantic believers are cash cows for people willing to launder their credentials by entertaining nonsense. The public sees possible alien disclosure. They see dollar signs, fame, adulation from ufo Twitter etc., and self-importance... but not all are grifters. Some are true believers too. Many are both. But for a quick summary of the origins of this current ufo flap.. listen to two very short podcast episodes: skeptoid - ufo rogues gallery part 1 and 2. It tells the story of Bigelow and this group that call themselves, the "invisible college". It all comes down to them. https://spotify.link/HuSPZHUP5Cb here's part 1. They're only 15 minutes each. For a deeper dive, watch this series.. Steven greenstreet started out a believer but that season of his show was when the lies started to collapse for him.. and he goes deep into the history: https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLwNrNqsuwF1mldXT6iVp0JqZA4845KSDF&si=WhdyIq6tXdtGrvYZ If you want the longer history, read the men who stare at goats by Jon ronson.. or at least read about it. Much of this ties back to some of those same people. Believe it or not, a lot of his is driven not by alien belief, but belief in the paranormal in general. Ghosts, psychic powers, all kinds of shit. There's a faction within the military who are completely convinced of all of this. And they dress it up as simply ufo stuff to make it more palatable for PR reasons. As steven greenstreet points out in one of those videos, Leslie kean who wrote that big NYT article in 2017, admitted to leaving out the ghosts and werewolves part of the story to make it more legitimate sounding. It's all about PR and image.
Worldwide conspiracy to exploit a very niche market for monetary gain? What about the small percentage of empirical data that canât be explained that can be corroborated between eyewitness testimony, radar , video , etc? I donât think all of the data can be explained as some DARPA, shadow Government military technology. It seems more plausible that they are things that we cannot explain and we have not figured out, but we also donât want to reveal our hand of what we know and donât know, because this technology could revolutionize the way we live in modern society, and each country is in a race to figure it out on their own to have an edge on everyone else
Niche's can be lucrative too. And it's a not big conspiracy. It's a handful of fanatics. Something like scientology is probably much bigger. Dr David Kipping (astronomer) had a great point on a YouTube video he made about this stuff.. Let's say pilots are very good at not misidentifying things, let's say they misidentify something once every 10,000 hours of flying (which is very rare, most pilots will never see a ufo). Across the US military, that's about 550 ufo cases caused by misidentification per year.. that's in the ball park of what we actually see. It's on the believers to show that something else extraordinary is going on in addition to that, with evidence.. that there is some signal that stands out from that background noise.That evidence has never once materialized. What's more, is that pilots claim to be seeing things that the physics and astronomy communities are not.. the physics and astronomy communities are global communities, under many different governments, equipped with precise instruments, and dedicated training in understanding error and uncertainty, camera effects, background noise sources, cognitive biases etc.. and they've all missed these things? But military personnel, often with no scientific training, they're the ones that have found it, but meanwhile can never provide evidence, 70 years on? That's an allegation of a far more absurd conspiracy than just saying a handful of pilots are wrong (when we can prove that some of the time they are), and that there are grifters (when we can prove they've grifted before), and that there's a sensationalist media amplifying it all (again, provable). That's not a conspiracy. That's clearly the world we live in.
You wouldn't be scared if some aliens did that shit to your kid?
Bullshit or not (the mummies), the creatures might be real. 2 such other cases, very similar, but not mummified. https://reddit.com/r/UFOs/s/0j8cuovTbs And https://reddit.com/r/StrangeEarth/s/C0Gmr0wqJo
I thought his response would be "Fuck Off"!
Kerry, can we get Joe a Cocah COLAH!
Professionalism stopped him from saying just that
Itâs a succession joke ;)
Which is a true testament to his extreme professionalism, because thatâs absolutely the only response he owes anyone given that his time is better spent doing quite literally anything else other than debunking this nonsense.
You are not serious people
It is, he just wrote it in a different way
It was literally debunked a few years ago JFC people use google
The reason why this is considered new info is because they released the DNA gene sequencing, check out the topic on r/genetics. Scientists are able to independently study and verify it: https://www.reddit.com/r/genetics/comments/16hb5th/nhi_genome_studies_mexico_govt_sept_12/ >This mummies could be a lot of different things, aliens included. IMHO, we should continue analyzing this data in rigorous ways. What I would do is to remove all cross contamination and try to align the reads to a human genome (which is different to the NCBI's STAT), under the null hypothesis that these are some close relative to us (still interesting). Alternatively I would try to assemble this reads, identify potential genes and run a BUSCO analysis (Benchmark Universal Single Copy Orthologs) to see if said genes correspond to what we have on earth. >I would also like to know more about the DNA extraction protocols, as cross contamination is a huge issue. >All in all, I think that this are exciting developments, and I congratulate all the people involved for their transparency.
Bro....no....look at the bones. Watch the video debunking it. It's actually just bullshit.
Im sure it is bullshit but the point is the data was just made available 2 days ago.
It's literally not new. They made the same claim previously
They literally just released 150gb of dna sequencing 2 days ago, they are literally talking about how it was previously debunked and they literally claim the data literally proves their case. I literally don't believe it is literally aliens but literal scientists can literally review their data and verify or dispute their literal claims.
Seriously? Dude Google is your friend not your enemy. "Eventually, in late 2018, then Peruvian Congressman Armando Villanueva proposed a bill to officially declare the investigation of the Nazca mummies an item of national interest, which could potentially provide resources to analyze them. By the time Villanueva made his proposal to the Peruvian congress, scientists concluded from at least four independent analyses of DNA samples and other mummy materials that they were modified, pre-Columbian mummies. The man who reportedly discovered the mummies had previously been arrested by police for possessing forged bank notes and gold in 2007, and for affiliation with a gang dedicated to stealing and illicitly trading archeological artifacts of the Nazca civilization." That article is from 2020.
Im aware of all that, my point is they have made new claims and released new data. Perfectly aware that its probably bullshit but debunking from 3 years ago is mostly unrelated to the data they just released https://ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sra/PRJNA861322 https://ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sra/PRJNA869134 https://ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sra/PRJNA865375
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I loooove Brian Cox. I only recently discovered him somehow, but he does an incredible job at explaining science, possibly one of the best Iâve ever heard. Awesome guy from what I can tell. That said⌠I figured evolution would be fairly likely to lead to a humanoid shape, especially for an intelligent species that could travel. He knows more than I do, so I guess I could be wrong but I really suspected humanoid shape is a decent likelihood.
If he's only popped up on your radar, I don't know if these got anywhere in the US, but he was also the keyboardist in a band in the 90s who had some pretty big (and amazingly 90s) hits this side of the pond. Just a random big of trivia. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=V6QhAZckY8w&pp=ygUhZCByZWFtIHRoaW5ncyBjYW4gb25seSBnZXQgYmV0dGVy https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=e0MlJveaGEo&pp=ygUGZCByZWFt
That was the most 90s thing I've ever seen.
Love Brian cox, isnât talking to you like your idiot like NDT
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I am a idiot. Thanks NDT!
This makes a couple assumptions, the biggest I think is that evolution would be a universal concept. Just because life changes overtime through evolution here on earth doesn't necessarily mean that it would on a different planet. After all, evolution relies on mutations in DNA to help a new organism adapt to a specific environmental requirement, but if some alien life form doesn't use DNA, well for one we'd probably have to reclassify what life is entirely from our current understanding, but evolution as we think of it may not apply. Other point of note, intelligent life doesn't necessarily have to be humanoid at all. Apart from humans, the smartest animals on earth are the other great apes, dolphins, and elephants. The only reason we take on the "humanoid" shape is because we're primates. Say 1000 generations from now, if elephants or dolphins evolve to become as smart as we are now, they aren't gonna suddenly look like us too. The intelligence and humanoid shape are more correlation than causation IMO.
1000 generations? Lol man⌠Iâm sorry but you donât know what youâre talking about. Also these animals, while smart, lack the hands that are required to advance on that evolutionary tree. Last, life wouldnât exist without evolution.
Why would aliens visit us in person. It's not like they could instant travel through space. We don't go across earth in person to pass the message. We send and receive data. If aliens would want to scout universe they would send surrogates/hosts that endures fast and long travels and can report information back. More like virus swarms, microorganisms. Or just seeds(Prometheus style) Any physical junky star wars/trek travels in spaceship are very unlikely. It's like sending pigeon to the moon.
For what itâs worth, there are scientists who think that if there was intelligent life out there, they probably would look somewhat similar to humans, or at least have very common characteristics. The idea, from what I understand, is that things like our large heads, bipedalism, long digits on our hands, etc. all contributed to why humans are so intelligent and are able to manipulate the world like we do. So if thereâs aliens on some other planet, and they were going to be intelligent as well, theyâd also need those same characteristics. We already know that convergent evolution happens in nature, where two completely disticnt species evolve to look the same in two different parts of the world (like deer or possums and opossums) so itâs reasonable to assume it would happen from planet to planet. Also itâs based on the expectation that other planets that are capable of supporting life will look like earth. Since planets need to be in that goldilocks zone, they similarly have liquid water, plant life of some kind that would likely evolve using similar adaptations as earth plants have, and so on. Obviously nothing would match exactly, but the idea that weâd just go to another planet and find some blob creature or something that builds ships just doesnât jive with our understanding of biology and evolution. Iâm no biologist tho
> I figured evolution would be fairly likely to lead to a humanoid shape What makes you think this?
> That said⌠I figured evolution would be fairly likely to lead to a humanoid shape, especially for an intelligent species that could travel. All signs point to crab. Humanoid unlikely.
Crab will be common but not for intelligent species. The whole hands thing matters to take our path.
>The whole hands thing matters to take our path. Not necessarily. I think youre placing too much importance on the humanoid form. Other intelligent species exist, albeit not crabs so much. Birds, elephants, octopi all come to mind.
Why are people assuming they're aliens? They were found in a cave, so they could've been some humanoid species that lives underground..? (The hopis ant people) I dont believe it at all; the dude that "*found*" them is a con artist, the cheap containers they're in, 1/3 of their DNA is lima beans. But are people just assuming they are from space because they look like ET from the movie?
Just watched him in Red Eye. Shit movie but heâs always awesome
Funny you should say that as he was the scientific advisor on the film Sunshine and the main character was based loosely on him.... and played by Cillian Murphy.
Been wanting to see that for awhile now, gotta add it to the list. Didnât know Cox was a brainiac like that.
Whatâs Logan Roy know about this
Brian Cox was one of my favorite episodes. Have Sean carrol back too
Just get the mummified alien on as a guest. Then we will find out the true story.
I'm a Brian Cox fan and I don't buy the alien mummy thing but you need to spit in a beaker for 23&me so I don't think that will work. r/genetics had some pretty interesting posts on the topic. From what I gather it's no small feat to get DNA from a mummified specimen and due to the unprofessional method used to sample what they have now no one is going to want to touch it. Also, convergent evolution is a thing. Species that do the same thing will take similar forms. So another technology producing species isn't unlikely to look that different from us.
Infinite universe theory has entered the chat
If that was the case (which it could be), why arenât we bombarded with extraterrestrials on a daily basis?
Because weâre gay
Time for a booster!
The guy who presented them, James Mausan, has a history of grifting. It's a lie.
My exact thought. They look kinda like us? Probably fake
Humanoid looking? They are 12â tall and look like every stereotypical made-up alien â ever.
I disagree with him that intelligent aliens wouldnât be humanoid. I think they are more likely to be humanoid than not, thatâs how convergent evolution works. Organisms evolve similar tools to achieve similar objectives. Itâs likely that stereovision, bipedal mobility, and opposable thumbs are just as important to the development of higher intelligence as a larger brain cavity
Based on a sample size of one species?
That's the problem. With a n of 1 we can't say either way. So Cox's assumption is just as baseless
We have plenty of examples of convergent evolution. We have a Billion years of evolutionary history on this planet and only one species has reached sapience, and it looks like us. Thatâs all the info we do have. What info does Brian Cox have that makes him so certain they WONT look anything like us?
Examples of convergent evolution would lead me to believe other sentient life would be a crab or an insect with larger brains or some sort of advanced hivemind
Yeah, even with a sample size of one, we can make certain assumptions and have a good chance of being right. For example, eyes have evolved multiple times, so there's a good chance eyes are ubiquitous. A sectioned body (arms, legs, and a head attached to a core) has evolved multiple times. There are things that have evolved only once, but are such amazingly good ideas that I'm comfortable saying they're a requirement. One example is an internal skeleton (and yes, I've read Andy Weir). That said, I still think they're a little *too* close, and I'm not ready to believe they're aliens until a lot of scientists have had a chance to look at them. To me, the real test isn't the one presentation, it's how open the authorities are with scientists. Honestly though, a really advanced alien species is probably never going to have face-to-face contact with us. They're probably going to create "biological machines" that we wouldn't even recognize as non-human. Remotely-piloted drones made of flesh and blood, with only a small part of the brain used to transmit and receive data, and that small part self destructs in a way that leaves no trace.
Oh, these aliens are complete bullshit. Thatâs painfully obvious. Brian Coxâs reasons for calling them bullshit are just baseless, however.
Or maybe they are from this planet?
Iâve been saying this for yeeears! Love Brian Cox. Thanks for affirming my suspicions.
I donât know why more people donât consider the possibility that aliens are actually a advanced species that evolved on this planet.
We're gonna be fucked when we find out they're Native Americans
Because how would they disappear completely. Not everyone would want to leave and I'm sure there would be more than two.
At the council of Gilgaorsh around 50013 BCE it was decided to maintain the population at 12.
And this is why no one takes your ideas seriously
You are missing the point. There are a million reasons why a highly evolved species could remain hidden and very few theoretical ways they could travel the expanse of space. The odds they came from some other planet are much smaller.
Uh huh... do you understand probabilities at all?
Do you?
Yes. It is much more likely that the redditor is delusional than "aliens" started here, left and are now hidden.
Big if true
Your comments enlighten all of us.
And the odds they exist are even smaller! But let's ignore that and come up with whatever excuse we can to keep the fantasy alive.
>There are a million reasons why a highly evolved species could remain hidden Not very likely, no. There will always be archaeological evidence left behind somewhere. Unless they've never migrated to find food or always pick up every single tool they've ever made and never leave garbage behind.... It's so small a chance as to be practically zero.
>Not very likely, no. There will always be archaeological evidence left behind somewhere. Depends entirely on the time frames. If they evolved a billion years ago for example there would be virtually nothing
'You're not serious, people.'
While I agree that the mummies are fake, this is an extremely myopic and shallow take and I find a lot of great scientific minds have trouble thinking outside the box. How would an advanced species communicate with a less advanced species? If an advanced non human species wanted to come to earth and contact humans, it seems logical they would create âintermediaryâ beings that somewhat resemble the humans you are trying to communicate with. Similar enough to where you donât scare them, but different enough so they know you are exotic. We do the same thing when scientists try to get close to studying Pandas in the wild, they actually wear Panda suits. Mimicry and camouflage are some of the most common tactics in nature.
i don't think the corpses are real, but his rationale is dumb. there could be many reasons an alien species have a humanoid shape.
Bullshit or not (the mummies), the creatures might be real. 2 such other cases, very similar, but not mummified. https://reddit.com/r/UFOs/s/0j8cuovTbs And https://reddit.com/r/StrangeEarth/s/C0Gmr0wqJo
Brian cox confirmed moron
Dumb response from him
What do you expect him to say? Heâs a scientist he wants proof. Simple test the damn DNA.
Howâs it dumb?
Howâs it unlikely that an intelligent species wouldnât look similar to us? As if weâd have any idea what other species would look like. Just as likely to look similar to us then to something completely different. And the second sentence is a bit dumb considering the evidence, dna and scans have been done by multiple scientist from multiple different countries already.
Itâs unlikely because we have evolved based on the atmospheric levels of this planet. We are the size and shape due to the climatic and physical conditions that we have evolved in. Itâs why dinosaurs were huge because there were higher levels of oxygen in the air at the time.
Yeah, but other planets could have similar or the same atmosphere as us for all we know especially if space is infinite.
I agree with that however have you looked at the structure and composition of these âaliensâ? They would not be able to even walk on this Earth as they canât bend their arms or legs. They literally donât have any joints/sockets. So if they live on a similar world to Earth then they use similar laws of physics.
Yeah theyâre weird as fuck but itâs hard to theorise about things when we have no idea how they really work. All weâre doing is putting our own knowledge and experiences when they could be completely irrelevant.
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Yep those are all legit questions and Iâve got about another 10 more Iâd love to know but weâll have to wait and see. I just fucking hope that other independent research or universities that study these things actually release the data and findings. I fear if anywhere in America gets involved theyâll just keep it all secret.
I'm not going to lie, I love reading all about it and I love that it's gone mainstream. However, it seems the more I 'look into it', the more sceptical I have become about the whole situation. Edit: Mods deleted my comment that merely just asked questions about the âalienâ. Truly bizarre.
This guy Is an idiot
How can someone be so smart but also so dumb
So called science "communicators" are like "influencers" for fashions, etc. You'd be better off ignoring them. I feel like him and NdT have both been irrelevant for years.
Ah yes, the guy who worked on the ATLAS experiment at the Large Hadron Collider at CERN has irrelevant opinions.
It's not their opinions, necessarily, it's the way they both "communicate" them. Science is boring, but as "communicators", they regularly have step outside of science, and make grandstanding style statements (like this tweet) to excite people. I feel like doing this repetitively, year after year, makes them lose sight of their original mission in favor of getting more and more views, likes, and shares. Suggesting 23andMe sounds funny, and I'm sure he'll get lots of laughs, and hence likes, etc, etc. But, this tweet is garbage.
"Science is boring, but as "communicators", they regularly have step outside of science, and make grandstanding style statements (like this tweet) to excite people." He starts the tweet off by saying he's been asked about this story. I get the feeling that he thinks so little of this story that he's responding with what he thinks it deserves. You and i may find it a little condescending but he lives in a world where every theory and suggestion is brutally scrutinised. It's all about evidence that can be backed up and replicated. The evidence that has currently be put forward is by no means bullet proof. Jaime Maussan - a self-proclaimed ufologist and journalist whose coverage on aliens was debunked in 2015 has now presented two fossilized bodies of what he claimed were ânon-humanâ corpses. Hmmmmm.
I can see where you're coming from, it is weird seeing certain celebrity's or figures transition into being relevant online like an influencer
Brian Cox has been described as the natural successor for the BBC's scientific programming by both David Attenborough and Patrick Moore. He's very good at simplifying complex theories and turning them into digestible soundbites for the average joe to consume.
Dunning Krueger
Theyâre based off Roswell greys, or [Asgard](https://youtu.be/V0qG0IGwBfs?si=yP36HvYZmIheXqcL)
He was really good in Rob Roy and the ring
I just think thatâs exactly how an alien would look to us. Seems too much like what we see in the movies and idk if thatâs what they look like. I would assume they would look vastly different from what our brains have concocted
Theyâre future human time travelers who had a Time Machine malfunction.
There goes the assumption that all âaliensâ are from other planets again.
Yeah, why don't they look like beetles?
If it is true that doesn't mean they have to be extraterrestrial. They live in the ocean is one example.
This is kind of a silly comment on it imo. I think the "mummies" are horse shit but the "why would they be humanoids" line is kind of the hubris of man. Why couldn't it be that they were first and WE are copies or off branches of another? Also 23 and me? How about an actual fucking lab? Lol
Almost every single alleged alien encounter has been reported as humanoid lol What a silly reason to dismiss it
10 minutes? If you look at that and think it's real, I got a bridge to sell you.
10 minutes? If you look at that and think it's real, I got a bridge to sell you.
Yup itâs all crap until independent dna tests at several labs
Lol, so stupid statement. Why is it unlikely for an intelligent alien to be humanoid? Evolution isn't random, species are adapting to the environment so those living in the water would likely be looking like a fish, those flying in the air will have wings and inteligent species will probably be humanoid. As I know, the laws of physics are the same in the universe.
this 'very unlikely' claim is based on nothing, we only have our own environment and biosphere as a frame of reference i haven't seen them and am inclined to doubt anyway though
WowâŚ.so why did the Mexicos team spend sooo much money trying to get this stuff analyzed when they could have just asked Brian Cocks for free. Lol
Brian, it's been debunked a long time ago. You don,t even need a DNA sample (why 23andme?)
The mexican Bean Alien lmao
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/09/13/world/americas/alien-mummy-congress-mexico.html Here it is. It looks like it's from Spirit
Theyâre fake folks.
Why do they need to be from another planet though? Surely humanoid beings , if real, would be more likely to be future or other dimension humans?
Too humanoid? Are you fucking kidding me?! Consider this: a significant number of alien abduction reports and "leaks" describe humanoid grey aliens. So, it shouldnât be surprising. From a probability perspective, considering the diverse species on Earth, the only known intelligent life is humanoid. Using Bayesian probability, the prior would be "humanoids are intelligent." This makes it more probable, based on our limited sample size, for intelligent extraterrestrial life to be humanoid than non-humanoid. In other words, given that the only intelligent life we know of on Earth is humanoid, and many alien reports suggest humanoid beings, itâs probable that intelligent life elsewhere is also humanoid.