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Sukuna definitely implies, when he talks about Angel, that there's a huge difference between cooperative possessions like Angel (and presumably the remaining death paintings) vs antagonistic or one-sided possessions like Sukuna.
I like the theory that the reason Yuji still hasn't inherited Sukuna's technique is because Sukuna was actively restricting his CT from being passed on to the vessel, whereas Yuji's brothers are all intentionally gifting Yuji with their techniques, helping him use Blood Manipulation as early as possible
My pet theory about Yuji and Sukuna's technique is that maybe the reason Yuji couldn't use the CT was that Sukuna still controlled the technique as long as he was in Itadori, even after it ingrained into his body, and he could stop Itadori from using it. But as soon as Sukuna leaves Itadori, in Chapter 216 (I think) after they fight Sukuna notices a tiny cut on his hand, I think Yuji just barely used his technique without realizing it.
Sukuna doesn’t need to at the moment, even though he’s heavily nerfed he can still kill the whole cast if they stop pressuring him. Yuji’s awakening might be the thing that drives sukuna to do it.
He's missing two arms, has been stabbed in the chest, his no domain expansion, and his output is being consistently lowered. I think it's fair to suggest he's taken more than he's given out at this point.
Literally the entire roster has either died or almost died with the exception of miguel.
"Oh no he lost a arm" bro everyone else lost they LIFE
What are you people reading
This is without mentioning that he blitzed Maki easily right after taking multiple hits from a domain expansion buffed Jacob's Ladder by one of the strongest sorcerers
Quite a few have seemingly died, but there's clearly something going on with saving them and Sukuna still has to deal with Maki, Yuji, Choso, Ino, and Miguel with none of them seemingly any less capable of fighting him then they were at the beginning of the fight.
They all seem fine because their rct isnt inhibited like sukunas, but they've all been out of the fight multiple times (except miguel). Sukuna has still dealt a ton of damage to them, it's just sukuna looks worse for wear because of all the debuffs stacked on him. Hit for hit, hes keeping up just fine.
I'm honestly not totally sure, if we disagree.
Sukuna is totally putting up an impressive fight and everything, but it also feels like he's sort of losing overall which just makes the whole holding back comments slightly strange. Like as a reader I get that he'll eventually start taking the fight seriously before hes defated, but it's weird that from Sukuna's perspective he surely legitimately has a significant chance of losing the fight/being permanently screwed over right now just because he's not feeling (mind you as weird as it feels, it's also fairly in character).
I think he's not using it cus he's overconfident in his ability to finish the cast even if he's near losing
I think that'll lead somewhere to yujis Awakening since he always looked down on yuji
He was losing to Gojo, while holding back the rest of his arsenal & still fully believed that he'd win despite being on his backfoot, and he did.
Same exact deal here, Sukuna probably believes that he's still 100% in control of this fight and hasn't shown any worry at all since Gojo' Purple.
Literally entire roster? Gojo is the only important character to die, rest was introduced just to die from Sukuna.
Yuji is alive and just landed the biggest Black Flash we've ever seen. Yuji is seriously harming Sukuna with regular punches, so this BF for sure left lasting damage.
Choso and Maki act like nothing happened after eating Sukuna's BFs. For sure they are not fresh, but they are not almost dead for sure.
Yuta is absent, just like at the beginning, and everything suggests he will return to fight, as he disabled his domain on his own (not auto break due to dmg), and was rushed to Shoko by Rika and The Groomed One.
What are you reading if you say entire roster is dead or almost dead? Our squad took heavy hits, but so did Sukuna.
Higuruma and Kashimo were introduced in CG just to die against Sukuna. Said it in the very beginning. You can't tell me that they are as important to readers or cast as Yuji, Maki, Choso, Yuta, Ino and Kusakabe. They were never part of the main roster. Larue and dying to Sukuna also wouldn't have much impact.
Choso literally making suicide attacks and is still alive and kicking. He can allow himself more, considering his regeneration abilities. Or do you really think that Choso is out of picture and will not be fighting anymore?
They mightve not been important to readers but they were important to the plot since they actually forced out sukunas transformation and confiscated his ct
his ct was not confiscated, only kamutoke, a cursed tool that appeared only for the fight with Kashimo and then was gone. And their importance to plot is what I mean. They come, serve their purpose and are gone, puff. Like time travelling in Harry Potter - introduced in one book and that's it. At least Gege was able to close their plots, unlike Rowling, who opened flood of plot holes with her move.
my point stands: it's complete bullshit that "entire roster is dead or almost dead". Just because two or three plot devices were killed suddenly it's entire roster? Do you guys think the same of Hazenoki? In case you forgot, it's the guy with explosive eyes and teeth. Also introduced in the CG, then was a mouse for Kenjaku to play with before Takaba and eventually Yuta came to get him. He's barely less relevant than Kashimo. As for the plot, Takaba is miles above both Kashimo and Higuruma in terms if importance and relevance. Plus he's fun.
Even if he's dealing more damage than he's taking his dealt is spread across a cast, his damage taken is on him and him alone, he's taking a lot of damage
he is holding back tho, he went from being relative speed to maki, then when he got serious he blitzed her. it’s so obvious he COULD blitz the entire remaining cast if he feels the need
I think he could've ended it the whole time, but now that nipple guy is around he has to be careful.
If he uses his max speed while hes charmed he might do something he could regret (its the Larussy).
Ok this will be long
- why sukuna doesn't reveal his technique: he is a trill seeker and holds back a lot(as evident in the fight with Maki) simply because he wants to enjoy it, revealing a bazooka on a knife fight isnt fun, it would be boring for him, similarly to what happened with higuruma. Second possibility he might be able to use it under certain conditions(super unlikely)
-sukuna definitely isnt afraid of yuji using his technique. Yuta already had access to it and yuji did nothing, also yuta really didn't do much with it anyway because lets be honest sukuna makes those slashes truly broken, not the othwr way around.
- chances of yuji using Sukuna's technique even after awakening are 50/50 at best, no guarantee sukuna stayed in yuji long enough to have his technique imprinted on him, also gojo might have been wrong(he has been about how yuji would interact with Sukuna's power)
- even assumingly yuji does now have access to the full thing of Sukuna, no evidence he can use the fire(just like yuta only has the slashes) and also yuji is muchhhh weaker than Sukuna even now. Just how it is, yuji doesn't have CE or the output to best sukuna even after the black flash.
-hana ans angel is different than what sukuna and yuji had. Angel allowed hana tk use her power, sukuna never did it.
- him hiding his technique because it might pose a problem in the future is possible though.
We had direct statements from Gojo in season one saying he would be able to use it eventually, and when he took over Megumi he had a cut on his finger after fighting Yuji, everything implies he'll have access to it but doesn't know how yet, narratively speaking a writer would never mention that without a reason, so he at least at some point planned for Yuji to use it.
Preach. "I'm not saying there's 0 chance" literally means she's dead but also a direct statement from a master of jujutsu and something we've seen happen in story apparently doesn't mean anything.
Relatedly, im convinced that Gege doesn't actually know what Sukunas technique is. I think he did all this foreshadowing and teasi g without having anything in mind, assumed he would come up with something, and hasnt.
Yea, he created the most famous manga show, showed in yhr guinnes world records, because he writes random things and just gets lucky and comes up with a good explanation later down the line.
You should do it too since its that easy.
I didn't say it was easy. I didn't even call him bad writer. But since you've brought it up, popularity has no bearing on quality, which you already know and understand, I guarantee it. Twilight was very popular. So was 50 shades of gray. I can make an extensive list of popular media that suck, if that would convince you?
Bringing up the beer company that happens to keep records of things isn't the slam dunk you think it is. There is no oversight. You can buy your way in.
even worse, the beer company that *allows people to purchase records of things. you don’t have to be the best at all as long as you can pay them to say you are. atp they won’t do anything for free. if someone is named in the records it’s bc they paid guinness to come to them and ‘take record’ of their accomplishment regardless of anyone else out there.
No worries, man. It's understandable to want to defend something you love. I love it too despite my criticisms. Hell, if I didn't like it I wouldn't engage with it at all. Either way, you have a good day too
You JJK fans have no room in your tiny brains for nuance. Gojo did say that Sukuna's technique would eventually imprint on Yuji, under the assumption that Sukuna would stay in Yuji permanently.
Sukuna left Yuji's body, that doesn't mena Sukuna was in there long enough for the technique to imprint.
Maybe it was maybe it wasn't, but it's not necessarily either one.
It's not nuance. You have to be able to understand what's happening and not just make assumptions. Have you ever heard the concept that if you tell someone about a gun hanging in the living room in the first act it had better come into play by the third act or what you did was waste tome and space? It applies doubly so to Manga. Because I understand it's self-evident truth even with my tiny brain.
Checkov's gun has already been fired for angel, and may come into play with megumi. It doesn't have to come into play with Yuji. That's where the nuance is.
I can see we are going to heavily disagree about the usage of chekovs gun in this situation. He did bring another character into it, randomly, and maybe that was to try and satisfy the trope since he changed his mind? That doesn't make it good or bad necessarily but considering how disliked angel *is* I'd say it was poorly executed. He clearly intended to give Yuji access to sukuna's technique.
Not necessarily! If character A tells character B that she's going to shoot them with Chekov's gun, but shoots C and D in the third act, that doesn't mean the author intended for A to shoot B but changed their mind. That's a plot twist.
You could argue it's a poorly done plot twist. It's still a plot twist.
1- not saying you are wrong, but gojo has been wrong about those things before.
2- we dont know what lead to the cut
3- gege has stated he finds ir hard to write yuji so him not having a plan from early is understandable.
I believe the scratch Sukuna had on his finger was some sort of foreshadowing of Maki being able to perceive the soul. When Yuji and her fight Megkuna, there's a panel where there's a sort of scratching sound. Then, we see Sukuna with a small superficial cut that he wasn't able to heal passively (maybe after realizing that his soul was targeted, he was able to heal it). It'd be cool if it actually was foreshadowing to one of Yuji's techniques (be it Sukuna's or his ability to target the soul).
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Trusting Gojo's statement is stupid. Gege has already portrayed that everything Gojo declares or says always turns out yo be false. The only reliable source about jujutsu in the story is Sukuna and the Narrator.
Gojo loses a fight he was confident in "Everything he says or declared IS ALWAYS FALSE'', "The only reliable source is Sukuna". I can't take this community seriously man.
Need I have to remind you of the hidden inventory arc, shibuya, the culling game. Every statement Gojo ever made becomes falls. He said he would protect the star plasma vessel but let her die, same thing with his students and his best friend. The dude was born to fail and that's how the author portrayed him. Thus don't take statements from someone who always fail should be a no brainer.
And how does that have anything to do with lore and knowledge? He has shown one of the best understandings of CE rivalling Sukuna, this is about CE, not confidence or being able to do something, that's not how someone is considered a reliable narrator or not, in fact that has zero to do with any of it at all. Say he's a failure as much as you want or care for it, but it's completely unrelated with being a reliable source or not because none of those were false information because it wasn't anything objective.
He doesn't have the greatest understanding of CE, him brain damaging himself from RCT is proof of that. Sukuna looked at the technique once and knew everything what ot could do. Kusabe has a best understanding of utilizing CE among the jujutsu high. Gojo can pick up things easily but he doesn't know how it works. As if he knew how it works he should have been able to teach simple domain to the students. Kusabe even makes the point Gojo can't teach anyone because he doesn't know what how he does it. As those who knows hoe to use CE effectively would be able to teach them. As Sukuna has shown to Megumi how to utilize hos own CT. Gojo's talent is he doesn't need to learn anything too deep to understand anything. It's like an Engineer who uses physics and a physicist who uses quantum mechanics. Both can calculate the gravitational pull of a photon but only the physicist understand why it happens.
Gonna have to disagree with you on the first point.
He has the best understanding levels to Sukuna. The brain damage came from his physical body not his own skill of CE. Sukuna has stated there are limitations on flesh and bone. His RCT was constantly active. He took risks in that fight to win and did something new. He pushed himself too hard to get the edge over Sukuna.
Also he hit's black flashes, the description alone carries what your argument is trying to disregard.
Gojo is a prodigy, you cannot put him with someone else and train the both of them. He naturally picks up things. He is a recruiter for the school rather than teacher.
Not confirmed she ever saw it. He clearly doesn't use it often and primarily uses the slashes and virtually everyone who fights hin die, so it could very well be the case of - no one left to tell the tale.
whats more interesting is that gojo with 6 eyes would have known about sukuna's CT too if sukuna somehow kept it hidden even during the heian era. its either the cast knows a great deal about it or sukuna hides it so well that even 6 eyes couldnt pick it up with a glance OR the black box/fire is an entirely separate and extremely high level of jujutsu
I believe Sukuna has a better understanding of CE’s origin and implementation. When he reveals his open domain them mention it’s like an artist painting without a canvas. I think the ‘canvas’ in the metaphor is an elicit CT. It’s the canvas that lets our sorcerers build off of the technique, alter it, discover its best uses. Like Mei, a ‘useless’ technique she found a way to amplify for combat. You can do crazy creative arts when building layers of paint on a canvas, like weird and complex CT like Hikari.
So Sukuna’s presumed CT are on the ‘simple’ side, cutting & fire, compared to many others we meet. My thought is that he’s knows how to ‘create’ his CT with cursed energy (‘painting’ a simpler technique than a domain) and slashes are his preferred means of combat. Maybe because it misdirects people to think it’s straightforward like a sword cutting and not a CT. He’s been able to understand techniques near instantly and mentions to Mahoraga that he sees Sukunas CT in their battle. So presumably it’s something that’s not as simple as just slicing and dicing. The best comparison I have is how Gale in BG3 describes magic in one scene (the weave) and that with a fundamental understanding of magic/CE you can do anything the mind imagines within your control of the chaotic energy.
But open domains don’t have a barrier, they just have a limited range? Closed domains eg: Yuta, Gojo, Jogo, Dogan etc are a traditional ‘canvas’ because the technique is being painted on the interior.
Sukunas open technique is going to have something to do with the Cursed Realm. Yuta copying the slashes confirmed it’s his technique, so anything else is either that or true jujutsu
My prediction for the box is just that it allows for different "flavours" of attacks to be launched, with cleave and dismantle being only one of them. He keeps the different elements sealed in the "box" to reduce the strain on his brain. The cursed tools Kamutoke and Hiten sukuna uses are imbued with his own techniques, so he can use the different flavors without having to open his box,
so, if yuji has 6 different types of blood manipulation, then he can keep the other 5 stored using sukuna's technique, reducing the strain on his brain.
I find this theory of Sukuna storing the vast majority of his different copied abilities in the ◾️ to be really interesting.
I would love to see a full black page in a future chapter with just the word "open" on it as Sukuna pulls out Gojo's purple or Higuruma's sword to one-shot one of the strongest protagonists present right after they all gain more momentum. I wonder what process Sukuna has to follow to store the techniques though.
The restoration caused by Sukuna's black flashes has to amount to something, and since Sukuna has no idea when he's gonna run out of enemies, opening his domain (when Ui Ui already teleported so many people away from the battlefield) would be overkill on his reserves. Cleave/Dismantle isn't enough right now though. He needs to use something new and efficient; something like the fire arrow or maybe even Miguel's technique for warding off all of these hand-to-hand combat-oriented opponents present.
imo i'd rather the different abilities be from different types of cursed energy rather than entire cts. i think if sukuna really did have a bunch of different unique techniques he would've used it by now. it would make the power strong enough to be usefull while not being too overpowered that the readers question why he didnt use it prior.
the "flavours" being different types of ce types would kind of make sense too, seeing as with sharp CE like hakari could've given sukuna cleave + dismantle, and someone like kashimo could've given him the lighting seen in kamutoke.
I’m still in the team « he doesn’t hide another weapon and he already used his cursed technique ». I get it everyone says the black box thing exists so that there has to be something with it but as long as no one explains to me how he hasn’t used his cursed technique yet but still uses a domain expansion that literally has in its description « inbues the users curse technique into a domain ».
I don't think Yuji can perform Sukuna's CT better than Sukuna himself.
Yuji can't even do convergence for piercing blood.Props to Gege that he didn't make Yuji super broken and went for the more enhanced soul punches which are already established from the beginning.
CT stays in the brain.So I don't know how Yuji got BM by eating.It must be related to Kenjaku making Yuji as a powerful vessel.Also Gege said in an interview if Yuji ate those blood brothers when Sukuna was in his body,those DPWs would have been destroyed by Sukuna.
Not contradictory but Yuji is a special case,so I can accept it in some way.
But I don't know how Yuta copies technique lol by Rika who ate some body parts.
Because they already know, it's not like they don't know whats happening when Yuta fought Uro with her Sky grabbing technique, The good guys already know sukuna can create a fire arrow project slashing attacks and extande the target of his CT, Also yuta copied sukuna's CT so they Defo. know what it does 👍 sorry bout the Yapp fest
Yuji and the others must already know what sukuna's CT is. Not just because yuta used it , but also because angel lived in the haein era with sukuna and she must know what sukuna's CT is as sukuna himself told jogo that he though his CT was well known.
this. gege will decide what it is when he again, writes himself into a corne- oh wait he’s literally in the middle of doing that rn. sukuna’s gonna need a way out of yuji’s awakening 👀
Now that you mention it, it is very curious that, despite the fact Sukuna's gimmick is that he uses jujutsu to the full extend: uses biding vows, modified his body to have excelent performance in jujutsu by using Chants and Handsigns, knows so much about barriers and domains that he's able to extend his domain without a barrier, which just makes it even more dangerous bc of biding vow rules, he hasn't once used that jujutsu technique to enhance your performance as a sorcerer
Nanami, gojo, toji, yuki, etc, big sorcerers have used this trick to have their techniques become more effective in battle, the same way as handsigns and chants do. But Sukuna, the epitome of jujutsu, hasn't used this trick once
probably it's just bc gege doesn't want to fully explain his technqiue bc he's the misterious big bad evil guy of jjk, but it's interesting that this seems as one of the only things that has scaped Sukuna's gimmick as the best sorcerer ever or whatever
I like the idea but it’s clearly stated multiple times actually that Angel and sukuna posses bodies in totally different ways, Angel is like a symbiote and sukuna is like a demonic possession
Ya know, the kind of "Uno Reverse Card" ability. Maybe they are going to make it when Sukuna is like 0.1 seconds before his death then boom, ability reveal. It is common for the mangaverse nowadays.
He's gonna pull an Aizen and suddenly lose access to his CT like Aizen did with his Zanpakuto in the final battle.
And get folded without it when he could have likely won with it.
Looking outside from gege's prospective, sukuna's technique is something that once revealed will change our prospective one sukuna, it will make us go back and re-read and analyze everytime sukuna used it, etc, and considering this isn't the final arc, it will most likely be revealed within this climax of the current one.
Sukuna’s CT is cleave/dismantle.
The black box is still a mystery but is probably something like simple domain where anyone is capable of it with the right knowledge and skill and it’s probably some super high level application of jujutsu.
We don’t know what Sukuna’s innate technique is yet. Gojo’s innate technique is limitless which has different applications (infinity, blue, red, purple). The story has heavily alluded that cleave and dismantle are something like blue and red but not his actual innate technique.
The reason why Sukuna hasn't revealed his CT yet: EVERYONE BUT THE READER knows it.
Sukuna is the greatest of all time, of course people wrote about his powers, personality and battle feats. It probly has been documented everywhere on the jujutsu world. People know about it.
Jogo did not know because he was a cursed spirit and therefore wasn't educated like a jujutsu sorcerer is. He knows sukuna from word, he probly did not sit down and read books about him. And OFC kenjaku did not tell him.
The whole reason why Sukuna CT hasn't been revealed is because they don't have to, and that gives Gege the perfect excuse to only reveal the technique for the reader whenever she wants. What a genius.
gege said in a databook abt sukuna that pretty much everyone knows abt his slashing attacks but there is little info on flame. all the cast and reader know is that he’s able to use fire and cut things, no one knows his CT.
“Q: On Sukuna’s technique, how far does human side understand it?
A: If anyone to search on the literature, they should understand to that there’s slashing involved to a certain degree. There’s possibility that the fire is rather unknown.”
databook:
[https://tempenensis.tumblr.com/post/645178531032219648/ryomen-sukuna-two-faced-sukuna/amp](https://tempenensis.tumblr.com/post/645178531032219648/ryomen-sukuna-two-faced-sukuna/amp)
The cast probably doesn't know Sukuna's technique. Only Sukuna and Yorozu are confirmed to know it, presumably the other Heian characters know it as well but there's no confirmation.
Gege said in the fanbook (no official translation so grain of salt) that there are records that exist on Sukuna's ability to use slashing attacks, but nothing else.
IMO Sukuna's slashes are either the same or better for fighting people as his other techniques, so he doesn't see the need to reveal it just yet if he doesn't have to.
Sukuna now has the world cutting slash, which is probably more effective against people as it ignores durability and can insta kill if landed properly. And, if the box replaces his slashes, he loses this ability.
Plus cleave and close range dismantle before his CE output fell were insta-kills for people like kusakabe.
As for the flames, i think they're overestimated. its most reasonably the same power as cleave and dismantle. the reason it looked so strong in shibuya, with the large pillar of fire, was because it was used within sukuna's domain expansion(he didn't know how to heal CT burnout at this point), so it burnt everything in the 140 meter radius.
If the lightning from kamutoke was originally sukuna's technique, then the main advantage is that you cant defend against the shocks, but i dont see that being effective than just cutting the in half.
The slashes that were easily cutting of his limbs? THOSE couldnt one shot jogo?
And mahoraga was already adapting to cleave, dismantle, and slashes in general. Im sure if sukuna instantly used his domain he would kill mahoraga.
The flames were used inside sukuna's domain so of course they would be stronger. mahoraga was also half dead and in the middle of regenerating when sukuna used it on him.
Edit again for the jogo part: a single dismantle cut off his stupid little volcano. Are you really telling me if sukuna didn’t aim that a bit lower it wouldn’t kill jogo?
He’s anxious that he’s not using it. He never says that the flames are stronger than cleave or dismantle.
He said only once in 246 “what’s worrying to is that hes not using his flames from shibuya”. He’s not exactly shitting bricks. He just found It “disturbing” Sukuna hasn’t used them.
The most in favor of the flame arrow is kusakabe saying “we can’t handle an attack that could exorcise the volcano headed curse. The same way cleave, close range dismantle, and world slashes are “instant death”. Which more tells us that it’s the same strength as cleave and dismantle, and not stronger
Mostly because all the character present already know about dismantle and cleave so sukuna cannot use the revealing your hand vow to strengthen them. They don't know how the fire arrow works so the revealing your hand vow would work to strengthen it, but sukuna isn't using it so there would be no benefit.
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Sukuna definitely implies, when he talks about Angel, that there's a huge difference between cooperative possessions like Angel (and presumably the remaining death paintings) vs antagonistic or one-sided possessions like Sukuna. I like the theory that the reason Yuji still hasn't inherited Sukuna's technique is because Sukuna was actively restricting his CT from being passed on to the vessel, whereas Yuji's brothers are all intentionally gifting Yuji with their techniques, helping him use Blood Manipulation as early as possible
This makes so much sense
My pet theory about Yuji and Sukuna's technique is that maybe the reason Yuji couldn't use the CT was that Sukuna still controlled the technique as long as he was in Itadori, even after it ingrained into his body, and he could stop Itadori from using it. But as soon as Sukuna leaves Itadori, in Chapter 216 (I think) after they fight Sukuna notices a tiny cut on his hand, I think Yuji just barely used his technique without realizing it.
Great theory
Sukuna doesn’t need to at the moment, even though he’s heavily nerfed he can still kill the whole cast if they stop pressuring him. Yuji’s awakening might be the thing that drives sukuna to do it.
hope it does. truth be told, im getting real sick of sukuna clearing getting his ASS FUCKED AND HANDED to him and is somehow still "holding back"
Hes not really getting his ass fucked tho, hes dealing as much if not more damage than hes taking.
He's missing two arms, has been stabbed in the chest, his no domain expansion, and his output is being consistently lowered. I think it's fair to suggest he's taken more than he's given out at this point.
Literally the entire roster has either died or almost died with the exception of miguel. "Oh no he lost a arm" bro everyone else lost they LIFE What are you people reading
This is without mentioning that he blitzed Maki easily right after taking multiple hits from a domain expansion buffed Jacob's Ladder by one of the strongest sorcerers
Quite a few have seemingly died, but there's clearly something going on with saving them and Sukuna still has to deal with Maki, Yuji, Choso, Ino, and Miguel with none of them seemingly any less capable of fighting him then they were at the beginning of the fight.
They all seem fine because their rct isnt inhibited like sukunas, but they've all been out of the fight multiple times (except miguel). Sukuna has still dealt a ton of damage to them, it's just sukuna looks worse for wear because of all the debuffs stacked on him. Hit for hit, hes keeping up just fine.
I'm honestly not totally sure, if we disagree. Sukuna is totally putting up an impressive fight and everything, but it also feels like he's sort of losing overall which just makes the whole holding back comments slightly strange. Like as a reader I get that he'll eventually start taking the fight seriously before hes defated, but it's weird that from Sukuna's perspective he surely legitimately has a significant chance of losing the fight/being permanently screwed over right now just because he's not feeling (mind you as weird as it feels, it's also fairly in character).
I think he's not using it cus he's overconfident in his ability to finish the cast even if he's near losing I think that'll lead somewhere to yujis Awakening since he always looked down on yuji
He was losing to Gojo, while holding back the rest of his arsenal & still fully believed that he'd win despite being on his backfoot, and he did. Same exact deal here, Sukuna probably believes that he's still 100% in control of this fight and hasn't shown any worry at all since Gojo' Purple.
Literally entire roster? Gojo is the only important character to die, rest was introduced just to die from Sukuna. Yuji is alive and just landed the biggest Black Flash we've ever seen. Yuji is seriously harming Sukuna with regular punches, so this BF for sure left lasting damage. Choso and Maki act like nothing happened after eating Sukuna's BFs. For sure they are not fresh, but they are not almost dead for sure. Yuta is absent, just like at the beginning, and everything suggests he will return to fight, as he disabled his domain on his own (not auto break due to dmg), and was rushed to Shoko by Rika and The Groomed One. What are you reading if you say entire roster is dead or almost dead? Our squad took heavy hits, but so did Sukuna.
Higuruma? Meanwhile choso Literally making suicide attacks
Higuruma and Kashimo were introduced in CG just to die against Sukuna. Said it in the very beginning. You can't tell me that they are as important to readers or cast as Yuji, Maki, Choso, Yuta, Ino and Kusakabe. They were never part of the main roster. Larue and dying to Sukuna also wouldn't have much impact. Choso literally making suicide attacks and is still alive and kicking. He can allow himself more, considering his regeneration abilities. Or do you really think that Choso is out of picture and will not be fighting anymore?
They mightve not been important to readers but they were important to the plot since they actually forced out sukunas transformation and confiscated his ct
his ct was not confiscated, only kamutoke, a cursed tool that appeared only for the fight with Kashimo and then was gone. And their importance to plot is what I mean. They come, serve their purpose and are gone, puff. Like time travelling in Harry Potter - introduced in one book and that's it. At least Gege was able to close their plots, unlike Rowling, who opened flood of plot holes with her move. my point stands: it's complete bullshit that "entire roster is dead or almost dead". Just because two or three plot devices were killed suddenly it's entire roster? Do you guys think the same of Hazenoki? In case you forgot, it's the guy with explosive eyes and teeth. Also introduced in the CG, then was a mouse for Kenjaku to play with before Takaba and eventually Yuta came to get him. He's barely less relevant than Kashimo. As for the plot, Takaba is miles above both Kashimo and Higuruma in terms if importance and relevance. Plus he's fun.
Even if he's dealing more damage than he's taking his dealt is spread across a cast, his damage taken is on him and him alone, he's taking a lot of damage
If you're trolling then you're doing a really good job but if you're serious then I feel sorry for you
Yeah but why is he taking damage if he has no need to. He never did that before. Why is he holding back and getting hurt anyways.
he is holding back tho, he went from being relative speed to maki, then when he got serious he blitzed her. it’s so obvious he COULD blitz the entire remaining cast if he feels the need
I think he could've ended it the whole time, but now that nipple guy is around he has to be careful. If he uses his max speed while hes charmed he might do something he could regret (its the Larussy).
Sukuna “holding back” could very well be something no like Nanamis overtime restriction and not really something that he is actively choosing to do.
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I think the cooking metaphor being his CT theory will end up correct. The kanji for his different attacks are: 解 - Read as “Kai” and is translated as Cleave. This kanji is primarily used to mean to “understand” or “take apart” or “solve.” I think we are looking at it in the sense of “take apart” Something kids in Japan usually (? I think, or we put on an unusual show for our kindergarten students LOL) watch in kindergarten is a chef dissecting a fish (usually a tuna, though I think we used buri aka Japanese Amberjack). The kids are supposed to watch this to gain a deeper appreciation of what it means to eat another formally living animal for sustenance and to better learn what the different sashimi slices are. This is called a “tuna dissecting demonstration”(マグロ解体) with the components beingマグロ (maguro, tuna) and 解体 (dissection). The nuance being the same as a dissection: the skillful use of a knife in separating things. This ties into why this can evolve into the world cutting slash. 捌 - Read as “hachi” and is tied into the verb 捌く (sabaku) which means someone who skillfully handles a knife (Edit: the verb itself is to skillfully handle ). Again, we can see phrases like 魚を捌く (sakana wo sabaku - the process of using a knife to skillfully separate the meat of the fish from the guts and bones) being used with not just cooking but specifically fish as preparing fish in Japanese cooking has a huge visual element to it. Skillful chefs in Japan practice cutting fish for things like sashimi, etc. We then have the fire arrow attack, which is 炎 (honoo, although homura is another way to say the kanji). This has a strong sense of a roaring, powerful fire. There is a food chain called 魚魚炎 (pronounced totoen) that came to mind when thinking about all of this. We then have his Malevolent Shrine 伏魔御厨子 (Fukuma Mizushi), where I think Greg just wordplayed the crap out of us. See, a 厨子 (Zushi) is just a small, double doored place to keep Buddhist things (as a storage place !!). However, slapping the “honorable” prefix to it (御 which can be O, On, Go or Mi depending on the word) can make it refer to 御厨子所 (Mizushi dokoro) which is an elite household’s kitchen. So I think Ol’Greg took a swig of Bailey’s from his boot and then crafted a wordplay where a Buddhist Shrine used to store things can also be an advanced application of his cooking technique. It’s *both* a shrine AND a kitchen. On a side note, 伏魔展 (Fukumaten) is a standalone phrase that means “pandemonium” and uses the first two kanji from Malevolent Shrine. I am guessing his CT will be revealed to be the ability to catch, prepare and cook whatever he deems his “prey.” This fits in wonderfully with how he talked to Gojo during the fight, how he appreciates Uraume’s cooking skills, etc. So what about the “Open” chant? This was 開 (normally used in 開く, which is read as aku or hiraku depending on what is opening) which on its own just means “open.” However, the furigana (hiragana or katakana given to tell you exactly how the author wants you to read a kanji - used a LOT with names and place names that will have unusual readings) was フーガ if I remember correctly. Even the eternal bastion of Japanese internet knowledge (Chiebukuro) is not terribly sure about this. I would have to guess it’s potentially related to Buddhism in some way. Sometimes a monk comes to our house and performs a few chants for events like a day of remembrance for a deceased family member, etc. Whenever they chant, they give us a pamphlet so we can follow along. It’s usually a string of kanji with both standard and nonstandard readings, so they provide a lot of furigana so we can chant along if we want to. I thought it could be related to this, but the Japanese, Sanskrit and Chinese words for Open did not match Fūga at all. I have a few other guesses, but this one is getting away from the cooking theme theory, so I plan to follow up later to see if I can find something.
You nailed it. Im guessing Sukuna’s technique is very simple to its core but he took it to extreme heights.
This series has shown us that creativity with your technique is a great way to exponentially grow.
Ok this will be long - why sukuna doesn't reveal his technique: he is a trill seeker and holds back a lot(as evident in the fight with Maki) simply because he wants to enjoy it, revealing a bazooka on a knife fight isnt fun, it would be boring for him, similarly to what happened with higuruma. Second possibility he might be able to use it under certain conditions(super unlikely) -sukuna definitely isnt afraid of yuji using his technique. Yuta already had access to it and yuji did nothing, also yuta really didn't do much with it anyway because lets be honest sukuna makes those slashes truly broken, not the othwr way around. - chances of yuji using Sukuna's technique even after awakening are 50/50 at best, no guarantee sukuna stayed in yuji long enough to have his technique imprinted on him, also gojo might have been wrong(he has been about how yuji would interact with Sukuna's power) - even assumingly yuji does now have access to the full thing of Sukuna, no evidence he can use the fire(just like yuta only has the slashes) and also yuji is muchhhh weaker than Sukuna even now. Just how it is, yuji doesn't have CE or the output to best sukuna even after the black flash. -hana ans angel is different than what sukuna and yuji had. Angel allowed hana tk use her power, sukuna never did it. - him hiding his technique because it might pose a problem in the future is possible though.
We had direct statements from Gojo in season one saying he would be able to use it eventually, and when he took over Megumi he had a cut on his finger after fighting Yuji, everything implies he'll have access to it but doesn't know how yet, narratively speaking a writer would never mention that without a reason, so he at least at some point planned for Yuji to use it.
Direct statements from characters mean jack shit, especially in jjk. Unless it comes from the narrator it’s just speculation.
Y'all really don't get how writing is usually done around here very well
Preach. "I'm not saying there's 0 chance" literally means she's dead but also a direct statement from a master of jujutsu and something we've seen happen in story apparently doesn't mean anything. Relatedly, im convinced that Gege doesn't actually know what Sukunas technique is. I think he did all this foreshadowing and teasi g without having anything in mind, assumed he would come up with something, and hasnt.
Yea, he created the most famous manga show, showed in yhr guinnes world records, because he writes random things and just gets lucky and comes up with a good explanation later down the line. You should do it too since its that easy.
I didn't say it was easy. I didn't even call him bad writer. But since you've brought it up, popularity has no bearing on quality, which you already know and understand, I guarantee it. Twilight was very popular. So was 50 shades of gray. I can make an extensive list of popular media that suck, if that would convince you? Bringing up the beer company that happens to keep records of things isn't the slam dunk you think it is. There is no oversight. You can buy your way in.
even worse, the beer company that *allows people to purchase records of things. you don’t have to be the best at all as long as you can pay them to say you are. atp they won’t do anything for free. if someone is named in the records it’s bc they paid guinness to come to them and ‘take record’ of their accomplishment regardless of anyone else out there.
You make fair point, is hard to reslly grasp what someone says over text and i think i misread it, have a good day lad.
No worries, man. It's understandable to want to defend something you love. I love it too despite my criticisms. Hell, if I didn't like it I wouldn't engage with it at all. Either way, you have a good day too
Suck to you. Twilight wasn’t for me, but it deff didn’t “suck”
It definitely does. I'm not going to argue this point with you.
You don’t have to like something to think it doesn’t suck lol
You JJK fans have no room in your tiny brains for nuance. Gojo did say that Sukuna's technique would eventually imprint on Yuji, under the assumption that Sukuna would stay in Yuji permanently. Sukuna left Yuji's body, that doesn't mena Sukuna was in there long enough for the technique to imprint. Maybe it was maybe it wasn't, but it's not necessarily either one.
It's not nuance. You have to be able to understand what's happening and not just make assumptions. Have you ever heard the concept that if you tell someone about a gun hanging in the living room in the first act it had better come into play by the third act or what you did was waste tome and space? It applies doubly so to Manga. Because I understand it's self-evident truth even with my tiny brain.
Checkov's gun has already been fired for angel, and may come into play with megumi. It doesn't have to come into play with Yuji. That's where the nuance is.
I can see we are going to heavily disagree about the usage of chekovs gun in this situation. He did bring another character into it, randomly, and maybe that was to try and satisfy the trope since he changed his mind? That doesn't make it good or bad necessarily but considering how disliked angel *is* I'd say it was poorly executed. He clearly intended to give Yuji access to sukuna's technique.
Not necessarily! If character A tells character B that she's going to shoot them with Chekov's gun, but shoots C and D in the third act, that doesn't mean the author intended for A to shoot B but changed their mind. That's a plot twist. You could argue it's a poorly done plot twist. It's still a plot twist.
1- not saying you are wrong, but gojo has been wrong about those things before. 2- we dont know what lead to the cut 3- gege has stated he finds ir hard to write yuji so him not having a plan from early is understandable.
I thought the cut was from maki no?
I believe the scratch Sukuna had on his finger was some sort of foreshadowing of Maki being able to perceive the soul. When Yuji and her fight Megkuna, there's a panel where there's a sort of scratching sound. Then, we see Sukuna with a small superficial cut that he wasn't able to heal passively (maybe after realizing that his soul was targeted, he was able to heal it). It'd be cool if it actually was foreshadowing to one of Yuji's techniques (be it Sukuna's or his ability to target the soul).
what does Maki have to do with the cut on his hand? huh? She didn't even use the soul splitting katana against him?
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Trusting Gojo's statement is stupid. Gege has already portrayed that everything Gojo declares or says always turns out yo be false. The only reliable source about jujutsu in the story is Sukuna and the Narrator.
Gojo loses a fight he was confident in "Everything he says or declared IS ALWAYS FALSE'', "The only reliable source is Sukuna". I can't take this community seriously man.
Need I have to remind you of the hidden inventory arc, shibuya, the culling game. Every statement Gojo ever made becomes falls. He said he would protect the star plasma vessel but let her die, same thing with his students and his best friend. The dude was born to fail and that's how the author portrayed him. Thus don't take statements from someone who always fail should be a no brainer.
And how does that have anything to do with lore and knowledge? He has shown one of the best understandings of CE rivalling Sukuna, this is about CE, not confidence or being able to do something, that's not how someone is considered a reliable narrator or not, in fact that has zero to do with any of it at all. Say he's a failure as much as you want or care for it, but it's completely unrelated with being a reliable source or not because none of those were false information because it wasn't anything objective.
He doesn't have the greatest understanding of CE, him brain damaging himself from RCT is proof of that. Sukuna looked at the technique once and knew everything what ot could do. Kusabe has a best understanding of utilizing CE among the jujutsu high. Gojo can pick up things easily but he doesn't know how it works. As if he knew how it works he should have been able to teach simple domain to the students. Kusabe even makes the point Gojo can't teach anyone because he doesn't know what how he does it. As those who knows hoe to use CE effectively would be able to teach them. As Sukuna has shown to Megumi how to utilize hos own CT. Gojo's talent is he doesn't need to learn anything too deep to understand anything. It's like an Engineer who uses physics and a physicist who uses quantum mechanics. Both can calculate the gravitational pull of a photon but only the physicist understand why it happens.
Gonna have to disagree with you on the first point. He has the best understanding levels to Sukuna. The brain damage came from his physical body not his own skill of CE. Sukuna has stated there are limitations on flesh and bone. His RCT was constantly active. He took risks in that fight to win and did something new. He pushed himself too hard to get the edge over Sukuna. Also he hit's black flashes, the description alone carries what your argument is trying to disregard. Gojo is a prodigy, you cannot put him with someone else and train the both of them. He naturally picks up things. He is a recruiter for the school rather than teacher.
Since Angel is from Sukunas time, doesn’t she already know his CT? Wouldn’t she just tell everyone?
Not confirmed she ever saw it. He clearly doesn't use it often and primarily uses the slashes and virtually everyone who fights hin die, so it could very well be the case of - no one left to tell the tale.
whats more interesting is that gojo with 6 eyes would have known about sukuna's CT too if sukuna somehow kept it hidden even during the heian era. its either the cast knows a great deal about it or sukuna hides it so well that even 6 eyes couldnt pick it up with a glance OR the black box/fire is an entirely separate and extremely high level of jujutsu
I believe Sukuna has a better understanding of CE’s origin and implementation. When he reveals his open domain them mention it’s like an artist painting without a canvas. I think the ‘canvas’ in the metaphor is an elicit CT. It’s the canvas that lets our sorcerers build off of the technique, alter it, discover its best uses. Like Mei, a ‘useless’ technique she found a way to amplify for combat. You can do crazy creative arts when building layers of paint on a canvas, like weird and complex CT like Hikari. So Sukuna’s presumed CT are on the ‘simple’ side, cutting & fire, compared to many others we meet. My thought is that he’s knows how to ‘create’ his CT with cursed energy (‘painting’ a simpler technique than a domain) and slashes are his preferred means of combat. Maybe because it misdirects people to think it’s straightforward like a sword cutting and not a CT. He’s been able to understand techniques near instantly and mentions to Mahoraga that he sees Sukunas CT in their battle. So presumably it’s something that’s not as simple as just slicing and dicing. The best comparison I have is how Gale in BG3 describes magic in one scene (the weave) and that with a fundamental understanding of magic/CE you can do anything the mind imagines within your control of the chaotic energy.
You cooked a bit but, to me, the ‘canvas’ in the open domain thing is very clearly the barrier.
But open domains don’t have a barrier, they just have a limited range? Closed domains eg: Yuta, Gojo, Jogo, Dogan etc are a traditional ‘canvas’ because the technique is being painted on the interior.
Open domains have a barrier
Sukunas open technique is going to have something to do with the Cursed Realm. Yuta copying the slashes confirmed it’s his technique, so anything else is either that or true jujutsu
Sukuna doesn't try to take an advantageous position because he is just that guy and he wants all the smoke
My prediction for the box is just that it allows for different "flavours" of attacks to be launched, with cleave and dismantle being only one of them. He keeps the different elements sealed in the "box" to reduce the strain on his brain. The cursed tools Kamutoke and Hiten sukuna uses are imbued with his own techniques, so he can use the different flavors without having to open his box, so, if yuji has 6 different types of blood manipulation, then he can keep the other 5 stored using sukuna's technique, reducing the strain on his brain.
I find this theory of Sukuna storing the vast majority of his different copied abilities in the ◾️ to be really interesting. I would love to see a full black page in a future chapter with just the word "open" on it as Sukuna pulls out Gojo's purple or Higuruma's sword to one-shot one of the strongest protagonists present right after they all gain more momentum. I wonder what process Sukuna has to follow to store the techniques though. The restoration caused by Sukuna's black flashes has to amount to something, and since Sukuna has no idea when he's gonna run out of enemies, opening his domain (when Ui Ui already teleported so many people away from the battlefield) would be overkill on his reserves. Cleave/Dismantle isn't enough right now though. He needs to use something new and efficient; something like the fire arrow or maybe even Miguel's technique for warding off all of these hand-to-hand combat-oriented opponents present.
imo i'd rather the different abilities be from different types of cursed energy rather than entire cts. i think if sukuna really did have a bunch of different unique techniques he would've used it by now. it would make the power strong enough to be usefull while not being too overpowered that the readers question why he didnt use it prior. the "flavours" being different types of ce types would kind of make sense too, seeing as with sharp CE like hakari could've given sukuna cleave + dismantle, and someone like kashimo could've given him the lighting seen in kamutoke.
hes stated holding back lmao. if he sees a reason to use the box then he’ll use it
I’m still in the team « he doesn’t hide another weapon and he already used his cursed technique ». I get it everyone says the black box thing exists so that there has to be something with it but as long as no one explains to me how he hasn’t used his cursed technique yet but still uses a domain expansion that literally has in its description « inbues the users curse technique into a domain ».
I don't think Yuji can perform Sukuna's CT better than Sukuna himself. Yuji can't even do convergence for piercing blood.Props to Gege that he didn't make Yuji super broken and went for the more enhanced soul punches which are already established from the beginning. CT stays in the brain.So I don't know how Yuji got BM by eating.It must be related to Kenjaku making Yuji as a powerful vessel.Also Gege said in an interview if Yuji ate those blood brothers when Sukuna was in his body,those DPWs would have been destroyed by Sukuna.
There is no reason CT in brain and gaining CT from eating are contradictory.
Not contradictory but Yuji is a special case,so I can accept it in some way. But I don't know how Yuta copies technique lol by Rika who ate some body parts.
I dunno. What if Yuji can create slashes that split the soul?
Holding up these secrets is the backbone for manga in general
Because they already know, it's not like they don't know whats happening when Yuta fought Uro with her Sky grabbing technique, The good guys already know sukuna can create a fire arrow project slashing attacks and extande the target of his CT, Also yuta copied sukuna's CT so they Defo. know what it does 👍 sorry bout the Yapp fest
Yuji and the others must already know what sukuna's CT is. Not just because yuta used it , but also because angel lived in the haein era with sukuna and she must know what sukuna's CT is as sukuna himself told jogo that he though his CT was well known.
They already know what it is so him explaining wouldn't make it any stronger
That’s cheating
He knows Miwa could possibly still show up, he’s saving it for her
Not revealing Sukuna's technique gives more room for random asspulls in future chapters
this. gege will decide what it is when he again, writes himself into a corne- oh wait he’s literally in the middle of doing that rn. sukuna’s gonna need a way out of yuji’s awakening 👀
He has been using ***Cleave*** and ***Dismantle*** the entire time.
yawn
Now that you mention it, it is very curious that, despite the fact Sukuna's gimmick is that he uses jujutsu to the full extend: uses biding vows, modified his body to have excelent performance in jujutsu by using Chants and Handsigns, knows so much about barriers and domains that he's able to extend his domain without a barrier, which just makes it even more dangerous bc of biding vow rules, he hasn't once used that jujutsu technique to enhance your performance as a sorcerer Nanami, gojo, toji, yuki, etc, big sorcerers have used this trick to have their techniques become more effective in battle, the same way as handsigns and chants do. But Sukuna, the epitome of jujutsu, hasn't used this trick once probably it's just bc gege doesn't want to fully explain his technqiue bc he's the misterious big bad evil guy of jjk, but it's interesting that this seems as one of the only things that has scaped Sukuna's gimmick as the best sorcerer ever or whatever
but doesn't angel allow hana to use jacob's ladder? isn't hana's whole situation different because it's a mutually beneficial consensual possession?
I like the idea but it’s clearly stated multiple times actually that Angel and sukuna posses bodies in totally different ways, Angel is like a symbiote and sukuna is like a demonic possession
Yuji is Sukuna’s actual body . Sukuna is waiting until Yuji awakens and then take over his body’s
Good theory keep it up
Ya know, the kind of "Uno Reverse Card" ability. Maybe they are going to make it when Sukuna is like 0.1 seconds before his death then boom, ability reveal. It is common for the mangaverse nowadays.
He's gonna pull an Aizen and suddenly lose access to his CT like Aizen did with his Zanpakuto in the final battle. And get folded without it when he could have likely won with it.
Because Gege wants to save it for a big reveal.
He doesn’t need to because he’s going to win. He’ll reveal it in part 2 of the series right now this is just part 1. Gege is cooking. 🧑🍳
Looking outside from gege's prospective, sukuna's technique is something that once revealed will change our prospective one sukuna, it will make us go back and re-read and analyze everytime sukuna used it, etc, and considering this isn't the final arc, it will most likely be revealed within this climax of the current one.
You wouldn’t know his CT, she goes to another school
Sukuna’s CT is cleave/dismantle. The black box is still a mystery but is probably something like simple domain where anyone is capable of it with the right knowledge and skill and it’s probably some super high level application of jujutsu.
We don’t know what Sukuna’s innate technique is yet. Gojo’s innate technique is limitless which has different applications (infinity, blue, red, purple). The story has heavily alluded that cleave and dismantle are something like blue and red but not his actual innate technique.
yuta copies CT and he copied sukunas slashes. so sukuna's CT is slash and dismantle. per the fire shit, maybe thats jin itadori's technique?
Why would he need to Open the Black Box, something inherently to him, to use the fire shit if it's Yuji CT? He used Ten Shadows just fine.
Maybe Sukuna doesn't have a CT. 🧐
The reason why Sukuna hasn't revealed his CT yet: EVERYONE BUT THE READER knows it. Sukuna is the greatest of all time, of course people wrote about his powers, personality and battle feats. It probly has been documented everywhere on the jujutsu world. People know about it. Jogo did not know because he was a cursed spirit and therefore wasn't educated like a jujutsu sorcerer is. He knows sukuna from word, he probly did not sit down and read books about him. And OFC kenjaku did not tell him. The whole reason why Sukuna CT hasn't been revealed is because they don't have to, and that gives Gege the perfect excuse to only reveal the technique for the reader whenever she wants. What a genius.
gege said in a databook abt sukuna that pretty much everyone knows abt his slashing attacks but there is little info on flame. all the cast and reader know is that he’s able to use fire and cut things, no one knows his CT. “Q: On Sukuna’s technique, how far does human side understand it? A: If anyone to search on the literature, they should understand to that there’s slashing involved to a certain degree. There’s possibility that the fire is rather unknown.” databook: [https://tempenensis.tumblr.com/post/645178531032219648/ryomen-sukuna-two-faced-sukuna/amp](https://tempenensis.tumblr.com/post/645178531032219648/ryomen-sukuna-two-faced-sukuna/amp)
The cast probably doesn't know Sukuna's technique. Only Sukuna and Yorozu are confirmed to know it, presumably the other Heian characters know it as well but there's no confirmation. Gege said in the fanbook (no official translation so grain of salt) that there are records that exist on Sukuna's ability to use slashing attacks, but nothing else.
IMO Sukuna's slashes are either the same or better for fighting people as his other techniques, so he doesn't see the need to reveal it just yet if he doesn't have to. Sukuna now has the world cutting slash, which is probably more effective against people as it ignores durability and can insta kill if landed properly. And, if the box replaces his slashes, he loses this ability. Plus cleave and close range dismantle before his CE output fell were insta-kills for people like kusakabe. As for the flames, i think they're overestimated. its most reasonably the same power as cleave and dismantle. the reason it looked so strong in shibuya, with the large pillar of fire, was because it was used within sukuna's domain expansion(he didn't know how to heal CT burnout at this point), so it burnt everything in the 140 meter radius. If the lightning from kamutoke was originally sukuna's technique, then the main advantage is that you cant defend against the shocks, but i dont see that being effective than just cutting the in half.
uh no the flames are 100% stronger than cleave and dismantle. the slashing attacks never one shot jogo or maho like the arrow did
The slashes that were easily cutting of his limbs? THOSE couldnt one shot jogo? And mahoraga was already adapting to cleave, dismantle, and slashes in general. Im sure if sukuna instantly used his domain he would kill mahoraga. The flames were used inside sukuna's domain so of course they would be stronger. mahoraga was also half dead and in the middle of regenerating when sukuna used it on him. Edit again for the jogo part: a single dismantle cut off his stupid little volcano. Are you really telling me if sukuna didn’t aim that a bit lower it wouldn’t kill jogo?
even in recent chapters kusakbe seemed to be more worried about the fire arrow than the slashes
He’s anxious that he’s not using it. He never says that the flames are stronger than cleave or dismantle. He said only once in 246 “what’s worrying to is that hes not using his flames from shibuya”. He’s not exactly shitting bricks. He just found It “disturbing” Sukuna hasn’t used them. The most in favor of the flame arrow is kusakabe saying “we can’t handle an attack that could exorcise the volcano headed curse. The same way cleave, close range dismantle, and world slashes are “instant death”. Which more tells us that it’s the same strength as cleave and dismantle, and not stronger
Mostly because all the character present already know about dismantle and cleave so sukuna cannot use the revealing your hand vow to strengthen them. They don't know how the fire arrow works so the revealing your hand vow would work to strengthen it, but sukuna isn't using it so there would be no benefit.
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