Not just the Decade/Upgrade/Super Forms. Some armors were used once & never again, others just have concept art or only exist in Ganbarizing. Geiz is even worse as he has armor for only seven Riders.
It honestly would have just been easier for them to only have the primary Rider Ridewatches existing. It would make sense with the lore and goal of the series and have them not add something they're not going to use.
And a lot of the form Ridewatches (e.g. OOO Tajador) were just totally unnecessary- especially considering that the Ridewatches are supposed to be tied to the Rider powers as a whole, which would include alternate forms.
Strange part is that there are Final Form Ridewatches. SO this is valid... answer: Production. Simply production from either the budget and the director/writers. In this case, that would be the main issue about that issue and others I've read in the comments.
Not to mention most of the Armor forms were "fake" like Drive or how others were given on the Final Heisei Movie crossover. I mean give them some props though, making all the suits is one thing but also additional suits for the Decade Armor, Zi-O II, Zi-O Trinity, Grand, Ohma- hell even Reverse Zi-O; that's all a lot of budget NOT to mention the ones with Geiz, Woz-
WAIT A MINUTE... Here's a complain, Zi-O or any of the Zi-O riders ever used the Armor forms that never came out like Kabuto or Blade. Was it really necessary for Woz to have his own unique forms and base 2 episodes for said- ALL EXCEPT SHINOBI (which we do need a main Ninja Kamen Rider); which one of you cared for Quiz or Ginga (why couldn't this have been a Fourze Dark Rider?).
SIGH, but I'll admit Zi-O should have been better prepared. Just another reason why Kamen Rider has a curse with anniversary seasons.
tl:dr, it actually isnt the production that was the problem since that season was at the start of the "world event" so having tons of budget cuts just happened, and it could be possible that the other armor forms might have gotten scrapped for said reason. also, if the series were been properly polished, it might be instead incorporated to the time mazine (their other rider machine that they use to travel anywhere in time) lol
also, have you watch Geats Extra" kr tycoon meets kr shinobi? because they declared that ZX was a ninja-themed kamen rider lol
I suppose but it still upsets me that this shouldn't have been issue. Zi-O is supposed to be the anniversary season, 20 years of the Heisei era... and they couldn't at least give us all the Armor Forms? In fact, the few we did got didn't get a proper call back to that series, the two prime examples being Kuuga and W. I know the reasons behind why these two (Yusuke's actor is that big of a deal and busy to all heck and the whole Philip actor issue) but like they could have done more.
And don't get me started how the writing here is very water down to something like Build or Gaim. Like Ohma is a BIG deal... and instead he's not the main big bad but Swartz... and boy he is... he's better than Kai from Den-O or Alain's brother from Ghost but like... bro thinks he's better than Ohma. NO. Not even close!
I just wish they put more effort with Zi-O but at least it's better than Decade- AW. WELL at least Tsukasa showed up (remembers Decade vs Zi-O) AAWWWW.
Oh I heard... but that's like a retcon? Or what? Never watched ZX so it's really off.
up to this moment, i still convince myself that that VS special didn't exist because of how the production team terribly trashed our destroyer of worlds with a "new" extra final form that looked like they hired highschoolers to design decade 21 (geiz majesty somehow have decency despite having secondary rider ridewatches glued around his body), and i kinda wish what they did to LeGeNd should be his new extra final form.
as for Ohma, I'm guessing that his lack of screen time might be on purpose since we're following how sougo's future will go, and he also might still exist as evident to 01 movie having him regulating the riders to their proper plotline (for reason that if so their respective plot goes too far to bad future that sougo might interfere), despite seeing him fade way behind the pleated curtain during the ending.
about ZX... well... it's not a retcon since he's literally a ninja-themed rider according to wiki and other infos lol. but also he's just a special-exclusive rider due to the fact that he hadn't got his own series aired and having low tv ratings by 6.5%, but instead it got skipped to kr black for hiatus reason of 3 years
I was so excited when I heard about this special being made and I thought to myself, LIKE EVERYONE ELSE... It will be the great Kamen Rider fight in history... and we got was shit, doodoo crap and MOLDY! WTF HAPPENED?! I keep telling myself "It has to be the virus, it has to be it". It had to be because the writers and directors they got for this must have NEVER WATCHED KAMEN RIDER BEFORE or were out of it for a long time. I hate it. I hate it because THEY NERF TSUKASA, AGAIN, killed him FOR GOOD and his final extra form... I like the cape idea. I hate the crown and everything else I'm not at all surprised but my god; they couldn't bother to let Decade Complete 21 to summon the Neo Heisei Final forms? Not even ZERO-TWO?! WHAT?! Geiz Majestry BOTHERS to make Geiz look cool. Decade 21 does NOTHING. "Oh but he got the Diendriver" SO?! In fact, why couldn't they get Daiki's actor since well... THIS IS THE LAST ROLE FOR TSUKASA'S ACTOR IN KAMEN RIDER. WHY?! Why can't we get a proper Decade reunion, why couldn't we learn who the fuck Narutaki really is and just like a fart, Tsukasa died so epic that it suck the life out of me.
And Sougo didn't get any respect either. Did I care to see his many personalities? Wasn't there that Disney or- the one with the emotions. Like that had more heart THAN THIS. And Kid Ohma- AW. JUST because you laugh evil, doesn't make you Ohma Zi-O! And Zi-O Decade Armor Saber... stupid. Couldn't it be Crimson Saber? Or at least a peak of Dragonic Knight? No? PFF.
And the plot was stupid, a waste of time, and the worst way to end Decade's ending and even a continuation of Zi-O. Senki GAVE MORE RESPECT to Zi-O than this special did.
All I wanted was to see Decade VS Zi-O, the greatest fight and instead it was a fart because the title was a lie and the fights suck.
... You know... maybe Ohma is a Paradox now? Like because of Sougo's actions, his "future self" that cease away didn't or maybe Zi-O future has changed again since again, Superhero Senki we saw Ohma, briefly, and Sougo. So... maybe... hmm. I don't mind this but I just prefer if Ohma remain as the big bad.
I feel bad for the Showa Era rider production. They just didn't know how to handle some stuff and I guess the ratings. I'm glad KR didn't die at the Showa era though. A relief.
my simple explanation to Ohma still existing: since the reiwa riders kept picking up huge dark arcs that his demon king persona grew stronger, leaving the supposed goal sounds like a child said it (for some reason)
and again, the evidence are at the endings of geiz majesty spin-off v-cinema, and 01 movie ending (Hero Senki might be one, but it's more like it is focused on the creator's legacy)
Guess we'll find out the truth in... 44 years from now... or sooner. I mean I don't want Ohma to be surpassed, he is supposed to be the strongest rider period and his twisted ideal of saving the world is interesting enough. Honestly, he should have been the final boss of Zi-O than some guy with parent issues. Then again, Ohma has parent issues too but he's cooler than Swartz.
The latter part, yes! I agree. The AR Riders were a great concept... the problem was the second "half" of Decade with the crossover with Shinkenger (WHY?), Amazon (WHY?), Black and RX (... Okay) and obviously enough Dai-Shocker (other than Apollogeist, MEH!). It also didn't help Decade had 30 episodes unlike other Rider seasons and even though yes, shorter seasons means the quality will be good... IN THIS CASE NO. Not at all.
I feel like as soon the World of Negative was done, the writers had NO CLUE what to do for the main plot. Seeing Daiki's World, cool. Everything else, WHY?! Maybe if the season had more episodes sure, maybe if we knew more, a better plot to explain Decade's role, WHO THE HELL IS NARUTAKI. Like I like Decade a lot but I feel like Zi-O handle their plot SLIGHTLY BETTER than Decade's.
I 100% agree. When I watched decade, I already felt like these 2 ep per rider was already formulaic enough and then I was hoping for more fleshing out of Decade and fixing some plot holes once we finish the 9th legend rider but no we decided to go to the negative dimension which debut of final form is cool but besides that, it did not need to exist. Honestly crossover with shinkenger is super cool the fact it was actually clearly canon as well but agree it had nothing to do with the plot
Side note this is why I love the movie so much cause it fixed up so many plot holes
Decade wasnt the strongest season but as an anniversary season, decade did it's job better than zi o
Idk if this is just me but the fight scenes were super fun to watch and decade didnt just use the legend forms as decorations, he actually used them and their other forms (ie, kuuga gun, kuuga titan, kiva gun, etc)
I honestly didn't mind the World of Negative... if it was flesh out better and had another meaning. Like what-if the world was conquered by that world's version of Decade hmm? A Dark Decade. Would have been interesting if that was a thing hmm... maybe the games- OH WAIT THEY DID and this would have worked! But nope, just a world to introduce Decade's Final Form...
It was cool to confirm that Kamen Rider and Super Sentai could exist... if it was a Special. IT DIDN'T need to fill in 2 episodes of the actual Decade season. WTF?
Most. For Decade, though... it fixed some issues but not all of it. And I mean All Riders vs Dai-Shocker. The Final Decade Chapter did not fix anything. Only dumb down everything and skipped way too much. Also didn't help that it had to share its run time with W's origin (WHY?! FOR THE CROSSOVER NEAR THE END?!).
This bother me so much I had to make a fanfic to do my version of how Decade should have been... borrowing the TV series but up to the 9th world.
I'm glad Tsukasa at least show up in Zi-O... surprised his role there wasn't just "He's that pink guy" and it wasn't bad... until it was bad when we get to Decade vs Zi-O special and I'm just "Why".
I wish he did that for Zi-O when he turned into any of the Neo Heisei riders... but nope.
I wish we got to see decade more in zi o. It wouldve been cool to see him use that neo heisei belt more since zi o sucked at being an anniversary rider
Also of course this is zi o's season but I felt decade was less in control of things, less than what he usually is in his season which was part of his charm
I cant do anything but to agree with you. Its just a pity when you buy ride watches that are final forms of riders but you can’t actually see the actual final forms of the riders in zi-o
It would have been cool to see what like an Armor form Wizard Infinity or Armed Hibiki or any final form in Armor form would look like on Zi-O or Geiz... or Woz.
Other than Shinobi which it should be its own season than a "future" rider and Ginga should have been a Dark Rider for Fourze... no one ask for a Kamen Rider base on quizzes or one base on Yugioh's Impachi. Like the ONLY reason they exist was to give Woz more forms... which I don't know... THE ARMOR FORMS CAN'T DO THAT TOO?!
Some Legend Riders more than others... though the only one that was given any respect was Tsukasa/Decade... and Kagami/Gatack/Kabuto(?).
I also didn't get the purpose of Trinity. Cool, Sougo, Geiz and Woz can fight together- What was the point of introducing Zi-O II or Geiz Revive if Trinity is "stronger"? Like I rather not. And it was only useful like... twice, once with Another Blade and "again" with Ohma.
Decade Armor was supposedly for Zi-O to use the Riders' Upgrade and Super form (Final Form in Ryuki's case since he has nothing).
But just as he only used a few regular armors, he used even less with Decade Armor. So starting with Zi-O II the froms are no longer linked to forms from other riders.
I expected Zi-O's Final Form to use the power of the Riders' final forms, but that wasn't what happened (He can still summon them though).
To be quite honest with you, to do something like Zi-O decently, they would to have a lot of budget, they couldn't even make all the armors in the show.
Tbf if remember correctly Decade never transformed into a final form rider himself but at least he summons them via his own final form though.
Feel free to correct if I'm wrong.
about 40% of Zi-O's suits in the show are just lazy Decade Riderwatch variants. To say I'm disappointed is an understatement.
If they wanted to do it right there should never have been a Decade Riderwatch at all. That way we can see more heisei riderwatch forms and Decade's position as anniversary rider isn't affected
I really love the armors...I think is cool how they enhance a specific elemento yo the extremes. Thats kinda why Gotchard's legend rider forms feels mid, they are just two elements glued with not actual intention to look to the theme.
The problem with the armors is they’re too bulky in the shoulders, and it just makes the whole armor look ridiculous. The kanji eyes also just don’t really work. It’s fine on his own forms, but when the change the kanji, it doesn’t always look right, OOO armor for example the eyes don’t look right, the color of the eyes also doesn’t work on most armors, pink clashes with a lot of colors. If they ditched the crazy shoulder pad concept, kept the kanji on the eyes the same as base form but changed the colors to match the armor, then they would be good
I get the idea with the armors. Make it decade-like without being decade. But so many armors are ugly because they are just over designed. like too much going. The armors that look best imo are the simplest, such as build double Kuuga and OOO. OOO works because it covers the whole body and doesn't just cram a bunch of stuff on the arms and shoulders but keeps it somewhat streamlined unlike Gaim. And the decade watch forms... First, I never liked the flat card esque helmet, just made me think his face was squished in there the whole time. Second, some of the chosen forms for it were definitely debatable. I was never sure if it was meant to be based around upgrade or super forms. Seemed like they just wanted to pick and choose randomly. Now I can see choosing something like mighty action double x over maximum x and tajador is fine but really, I think rabbit rabbit and tank tank could have worked over sparkling
But then I can kinda make sense of it all with budget restrictions and reusing parts from past suits and what was in the best shape made the cut. But if the original armors were simpler, hey look more available budget. Heck they could have done it as simple color changing and maybe mask too. Like, turn Zio's purple pieces appropriate colors for the rider who's watch is being used and give him their masks. Maybe built in weapons like OOO claws if they have any. Call it over soul or something instead of armor time/ as flashy? No, but saves budget that can go to make other aspects of the show that much better
Ziku driver really (in the show) really feels limited when using other Rider powers except Zi-O itself. Decadriver feels like actually using those powers despite only copy not inheriting like Ziku driver. At this point, it is better just using Ridewatch directly like in the Kabuto arc and the Hibiki arc.
I meant needing to use Decade Ridewatch to unlock higher forms is kind of pathetic... You can see they tried to bypass this limitations with Grand Zi-O by summoning those Riders directly rather than using Driver...
Only Oma Zi-O feels like inheriting those powers...
I feel this was all a mix of budget issue only having so many episodes. If it had a larger budget, we could've afforded more costume molds (maybe even getting each main rider ride-armor a unique design that actually captures the vibe of the rider its based on), and if it were the length of something like Naruto then there'd be enough time to use all the different forms multiple times
It just woulda been too many suits. As a tribute season, it makes more sense to go with the base forms if you have to choose just one. It would have been nice if Grand Zi-o used the final forms though, that’s true.
Personally, I love the Zi-o suits! They’re kinda busy and overdesigned, but that was an intentional design choice and it’s part of the visual language of Zi-o. I have a lot of Zi-o figures and that really helped me come to appreciate the suits a lot more. They’re some of my favorites now!
I didn't care too much. We had Decade do a crossover too, as well as his rival Diend. All things considered, we got lots to see. Heck, even the guy with decades powers summoned villain riders.
I think with only one season, it's a big ask to do all of the riders. On top of it, with decade being there, it also needed something to make it different.
I think the armor and the big mecha suit was done just for that. Granted I think the movie had the other ride watches made available.
Also there were villain monster suits for each rider. I think production threw out a gimmick and as much as they possibly could to make it all happen. Credit were credit is due.
Now I will admit, I'm not a fan of the armor line. But I get it. It was to sell more toys for kids. And they did pretty cool things with OOOs, W, and Fourze. Both of those armors did something kind of cool. OOOs got some extra love with some extra watches. Gain even tried to reference the gimmick a little bit by making it all collapsible. The team did one he'll of a job on this.
I was wanting to see OOO Tajador form used on the Zi-O suit instead of the Time Mazine, so this made me mad
They did with the Decade and OOO watch but it didn't feel the same, as it was just the regular OOO watch
There's still a lot of watches I wish they make. The rest of the Showa Riders, Black Sun and Shadow Moon, even some more female riders, felt so weird that all we got was poppy.
It feels like the show wanted to be an anniversary season, but midway through they wanted to be it’s own separate thing. Like how the kamen rider references stop the moment Zi-O II appears, or how most episodes past it didn’t include tributes to past seasons. Some seasons didn’t even get their own tribute episodes (Drive, Ryuki (no, the Another Ryuga arc doesn’t count), W, and some others who had characters appearing but the episodes didn’t really focus on their series’ elements).
It doesnt look good anyway why would anyone even think having the final forms as additional forms lol... having ride watches for final forms is good enough
Yeah, not much use on the ride watches if the monsters can be defeated by better upgrades.
Someone on youtybe DID show Zi-o in rider forms that weren't just advertisers like ryuki, Faiz, and Hibiki and Blade. Zi-O Faiz armor looked better anyway.
Did people not watch the show? They literally explain how the Ride Watches work. When the Ride Watches are created, they're created from that moment in time. That's why a Ryuga Ride Watch was never possible to be made, because Ryuga is not part of the Ryuki timeline that successfully becomes part of the Heisei Timeline. When the Ride Watches are created, they're created in the past prior to the creation of the Another Rider. And that means that Zi-O does not get Super or Final forms of said Riders, without the help of an outside tool. Because Another Riders generally don't get Final forms because they replace the original history if they're made in the past. Then going back to Ryuga, because Sougo created the Zi-O II Ride Watch, there was no reason to need the respective Ride Watch to defeat the Another Rider, they were only needed to create Grand Zi-O.
I HATE THIS ABOUT ZI O!!!!
When I watched decade, I thought I could see why people would dislike this but I enjoy it and CANT wait for zi o i bet its as good as decade
NO ITS NOT!!
Zi o's armor forms SUCK!!! Decade used the forms like how ben 10 uses his watch, specific for the situation. Like a good example is in super hero taisen and decade kept switching forms according to gokai red, that was beautiful. Another example; decade used kuuga against kiva cause they both have very similar upgrade forms
Zi o didnt do any of that, his armor forms were decoration, nothing more (besides decade). Another thing I disliked how they focused more on zi o forms in later half (zi o 2, grand zi o etc). Like I respect super and final form for that formula/tradition but they did more than that and that made them ignore the armor forms more
And like you said, they didnt take advantage of the riders other forms like fang joker, ratorata, fire state. I understand that they probably dont have the time for that tho. Decade was the only way they showcased other forms, decade ridewatch allowed for build sparkling for example.
After decade finished the 9th rider I thought they would delve into decade's story but they kept going to random universes like negative dimension which I thought was a missed opportunity and they needed movie to tie up plotholes but zi o did opposite and showed too much zi o's plot and not enough of the legend riders
Also, armor forms ugly
ALSO, legend secondary riders didnt get enough spotlight.
Ok slow down the hate, another riders are some of the best villain designs and woz is a lovable character
Another thing, another riders werent scary enough, you couldnt get attached to them cause they are always a rando person and anyone could become any another rider
I mean, that's kinda what the legacy riders do. They are just meant to reference the other riders.
"Legacy riders" are what I call kamen riders that use the powers of riders to transform constantly and not just a one time special like decade.
there was some scrapped designs for other forms like kabuto and blade form sadly, they arent in the show ;0;
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Not just the Decade/Upgrade/Super Forms. Some armors were used once & never again, others just have concept art or only exist in Ganbarizing. Geiz is even worse as he has armor for only seven Riders.
And, if I'm not mistaken, neither of them ever uses any non-primary rider armors other than genm, despite them clearly existing in the show.
It honestly would have just been easier for them to only have the primary Rider Ridewatches existing. It would make sense with the lore and goal of the series and have them not add something they're not going to use.
Yup, completely agree. Why'd they give Geiz the Cross ridewatch if he's never going to use it lol
And a lot of the form Ridewatches (e.g. OOO Tajador) were just totally unnecessary- especially considering that the Ridewatches are supposed to be tied to the Rider powers as a whole, which would include alternate forms.
Yup, like what would the difference be between using tatoba ridewatch with decade's and using tajador with decade's lol
Actually I remember they used cross z or maybe that was only on the mazine
Probably a mazine, they never used it to actually transform
remember when he got the ooo final form then never used the ride watch outside of one giant robot fight
Ha got TaJaDor not PuToTyra.
You count the final forms one two and three let’s go Kamen rider ooo, the way I see it ooos has three final forms super tatoba puto and tajador
The toy itself counts PuToTyra as his final form and no other rider has multiple final forms.
Strange part is that there are Final Form Ridewatches. SO this is valid... answer: Production. Simply production from either the budget and the director/writers. In this case, that would be the main issue about that issue and others I've read in the comments. Not to mention most of the Armor forms were "fake" like Drive or how others were given on the Final Heisei Movie crossover. I mean give them some props though, making all the suits is one thing but also additional suits for the Decade Armor, Zi-O II, Zi-O Trinity, Grand, Ohma- hell even Reverse Zi-O; that's all a lot of budget NOT to mention the ones with Geiz, Woz- WAIT A MINUTE... Here's a complain, Zi-O or any of the Zi-O riders ever used the Armor forms that never came out like Kabuto or Blade. Was it really necessary for Woz to have his own unique forms and base 2 episodes for said- ALL EXCEPT SHINOBI (which we do need a main Ninja Kamen Rider); which one of you cared for Quiz or Ginga (why couldn't this have been a Fourze Dark Rider?). SIGH, but I'll admit Zi-O should have been better prepared. Just another reason why Kamen Rider has a curse with anniversary seasons.
tl:dr, it actually isnt the production that was the problem since that season was at the start of the "world event" so having tons of budget cuts just happened, and it could be possible that the other armor forms might have gotten scrapped for said reason. also, if the series were been properly polished, it might be instead incorporated to the time mazine (their other rider machine that they use to travel anywhere in time) lol also, have you watch Geats Extra" kr tycoon meets kr shinobi? because they declared that ZX was a ninja-themed kamen rider lol
I suppose but it still upsets me that this shouldn't have been issue. Zi-O is supposed to be the anniversary season, 20 years of the Heisei era... and they couldn't at least give us all the Armor Forms? In fact, the few we did got didn't get a proper call back to that series, the two prime examples being Kuuga and W. I know the reasons behind why these two (Yusuke's actor is that big of a deal and busy to all heck and the whole Philip actor issue) but like they could have done more. And don't get me started how the writing here is very water down to something like Build or Gaim. Like Ohma is a BIG deal... and instead he's not the main big bad but Swartz... and boy he is... he's better than Kai from Den-O or Alain's brother from Ghost but like... bro thinks he's better than Ohma. NO. Not even close! I just wish they put more effort with Zi-O but at least it's better than Decade- AW. WELL at least Tsukasa showed up (remembers Decade vs Zi-O) AAWWWW. Oh I heard... but that's like a retcon? Or what? Never watched ZX so it's really off.
up to this moment, i still convince myself that that VS special didn't exist because of how the production team terribly trashed our destroyer of worlds with a "new" extra final form that looked like they hired highschoolers to design decade 21 (geiz majesty somehow have decency despite having secondary rider ridewatches glued around his body), and i kinda wish what they did to LeGeNd should be his new extra final form. as for Ohma, I'm guessing that his lack of screen time might be on purpose since we're following how sougo's future will go, and he also might still exist as evident to 01 movie having him regulating the riders to their proper plotline (for reason that if so their respective plot goes too far to bad future that sougo might interfere), despite seeing him fade way behind the pleated curtain during the ending. about ZX... well... it's not a retcon since he's literally a ninja-themed rider according to wiki and other infos lol. but also he's just a special-exclusive rider due to the fact that he hadn't got his own series aired and having low tv ratings by 6.5%, but instead it got skipped to kr black for hiatus reason of 3 years
I was so excited when I heard about this special being made and I thought to myself, LIKE EVERYONE ELSE... It will be the great Kamen Rider fight in history... and we got was shit, doodoo crap and MOLDY! WTF HAPPENED?! I keep telling myself "It has to be the virus, it has to be it". It had to be because the writers and directors they got for this must have NEVER WATCHED KAMEN RIDER BEFORE or were out of it for a long time. I hate it. I hate it because THEY NERF TSUKASA, AGAIN, killed him FOR GOOD and his final extra form... I like the cape idea. I hate the crown and everything else I'm not at all surprised but my god; they couldn't bother to let Decade Complete 21 to summon the Neo Heisei Final forms? Not even ZERO-TWO?! WHAT?! Geiz Majestry BOTHERS to make Geiz look cool. Decade 21 does NOTHING. "Oh but he got the Diendriver" SO?! In fact, why couldn't they get Daiki's actor since well... THIS IS THE LAST ROLE FOR TSUKASA'S ACTOR IN KAMEN RIDER. WHY?! Why can't we get a proper Decade reunion, why couldn't we learn who the fuck Narutaki really is and just like a fart, Tsukasa died so epic that it suck the life out of me. And Sougo didn't get any respect either. Did I care to see his many personalities? Wasn't there that Disney or- the one with the emotions. Like that had more heart THAN THIS. And Kid Ohma- AW. JUST because you laugh evil, doesn't make you Ohma Zi-O! And Zi-O Decade Armor Saber... stupid. Couldn't it be Crimson Saber? Or at least a peak of Dragonic Knight? No? PFF. And the plot was stupid, a waste of time, and the worst way to end Decade's ending and even a continuation of Zi-O. Senki GAVE MORE RESPECT to Zi-O than this special did. All I wanted was to see Decade VS Zi-O, the greatest fight and instead it was a fart because the title was a lie and the fights suck. ... You know... maybe Ohma is a Paradox now? Like because of Sougo's actions, his "future self" that cease away didn't or maybe Zi-O future has changed again since again, Superhero Senki we saw Ohma, briefly, and Sougo. So... maybe... hmm. I don't mind this but I just prefer if Ohma remain as the big bad. I feel bad for the Showa Era rider production. They just didn't know how to handle some stuff and I guess the ratings. I'm glad KR didn't die at the Showa era though. A relief.
my simple explanation to Ohma still existing: since the reiwa riders kept picking up huge dark arcs that his demon king persona grew stronger, leaving the supposed goal sounds like a child said it (for some reason) and again, the evidence are at the endings of geiz majesty spin-off v-cinema, and 01 movie ending (Hero Senki might be one, but it's more like it is focused on the creator's legacy)
Guess we'll find out the truth in... 44 years from now... or sooner. I mean I don't want Ohma to be surpassed, he is supposed to be the strongest rider period and his twisted ideal of saving the world is interesting enough. Honestly, he should have been the final boss of Zi-O than some guy with parent issues. Then again, Ohma has parent issues too but he's cooler than Swartz.
Decade is far better, decade handled being an anniversary season better. Granted, decade had fewer riders to handle but still
The latter part, yes! I agree. The AR Riders were a great concept... the problem was the second "half" of Decade with the crossover with Shinkenger (WHY?), Amazon (WHY?), Black and RX (... Okay) and obviously enough Dai-Shocker (other than Apollogeist, MEH!). It also didn't help Decade had 30 episodes unlike other Rider seasons and even though yes, shorter seasons means the quality will be good... IN THIS CASE NO. Not at all. I feel like as soon the World of Negative was done, the writers had NO CLUE what to do for the main plot. Seeing Daiki's World, cool. Everything else, WHY?! Maybe if the season had more episodes sure, maybe if we knew more, a better plot to explain Decade's role, WHO THE HELL IS NARUTAKI. Like I like Decade a lot but I feel like Zi-O handle their plot SLIGHTLY BETTER than Decade's.
I 100% agree. When I watched decade, I already felt like these 2 ep per rider was already formulaic enough and then I was hoping for more fleshing out of Decade and fixing some plot holes once we finish the 9th legend rider but no we decided to go to the negative dimension which debut of final form is cool but besides that, it did not need to exist. Honestly crossover with shinkenger is super cool the fact it was actually clearly canon as well but agree it had nothing to do with the plot Side note this is why I love the movie so much cause it fixed up so many plot holes Decade wasnt the strongest season but as an anniversary season, decade did it's job better than zi o Idk if this is just me but the fight scenes were super fun to watch and decade didnt just use the legend forms as decorations, he actually used them and their other forms (ie, kuuga gun, kuuga titan, kiva gun, etc)
I honestly didn't mind the World of Negative... if it was flesh out better and had another meaning. Like what-if the world was conquered by that world's version of Decade hmm? A Dark Decade. Would have been interesting if that was a thing hmm... maybe the games- OH WAIT THEY DID and this would have worked! But nope, just a world to introduce Decade's Final Form... It was cool to confirm that Kamen Rider and Super Sentai could exist... if it was a Special. IT DIDN'T need to fill in 2 episodes of the actual Decade season. WTF? Most. For Decade, though... it fixed some issues but not all of it. And I mean All Riders vs Dai-Shocker. The Final Decade Chapter did not fix anything. Only dumb down everything and skipped way too much. Also didn't help that it had to share its run time with W's origin (WHY?! FOR THE CROSSOVER NEAR THE END?!). This bother me so much I had to make a fanfic to do my version of how Decade should have been... borrowing the TV series but up to the 9th world. I'm glad Tsukasa at least show up in Zi-O... surprised his role there wasn't just "He's that pink guy" and it wasn't bad... until it was bad when we get to Decade vs Zi-O special and I'm just "Why". I wish he did that for Zi-O when he turned into any of the Neo Heisei riders... but nope.
I wish we got to see decade more in zi o. It wouldve been cool to see him use that neo heisei belt more since zi o sucked at being an anniversary rider Also of course this is zi o's season but I felt decade was less in control of things, less than what he usually is in his season which was part of his charm
Yea... Me too. And fair.
I cant do anything but to agree with you. Its just a pity when you buy ride watches that are final forms of riders but you can’t actually see the actual final forms of the riders in zi-o
It would have been cool to see what like an Armor form Wizard Infinity or Armed Hibiki or any final form in Armor form would look like on Zi-O or Geiz... or Woz.
I hated that the spent so much time on future riders, they clearly didnt bother with legend riders
Other than Shinobi which it should be its own season than a "future" rider and Ginga should have been a Dark Rider for Fourze... no one ask for a Kamen Rider base on quizzes or one base on Yugioh's Impachi. Like the ONLY reason they exist was to give Woz more forms... which I don't know... THE ARMOR FORMS CAN'T DO THAT TOO?! Some Legend Riders more than others... though the only one that was given any respect was Tsukasa/Decade... and Kagami/Gatack/Kabuto(?).
Also trinity did not need to exist, they wasted so much time with a horrible form
I also didn't get the purpose of Trinity. Cool, Sougo, Geiz and Woz can fight together- What was the point of introducing Zi-O II or Geiz Revive if Trinity is "stronger"? Like I rather not. And it was only useful like... twice, once with Another Blade and "again" with Ohma.
Decade Armor was supposedly for Zi-O to use the Riders' Upgrade and Super form (Final Form in Ryuki's case since he has nothing). But just as he only used a few regular armors, he used even less with Decade Armor. So starting with Zi-O II the froms are no longer linked to forms from other riders. I expected Zi-O's Final Form to use the power of the Riders' final forms, but that wasn't what happened (He can still summon them though). To be quite honest with you, to do something like Zi-O decently, they would to have a lot of budget, they couldn't even make all the armors in the show.
Tbf if remember correctly Decade never transformed into a final form rider himself but at least he summons them via his own final form though. Feel free to correct if I'm wrong.
about 40% of Zi-O's suits in the show are just lazy Decade Riderwatch variants. To say I'm disappointed is an understatement. If they wanted to do it right there should never have been a Decade Riderwatch at all. That way we can see more heisei riderwatch forms and Decade's position as anniversary rider isn't affected
Most of Zi-O’s forms look terrible, with a few exceptions
yeah i think build and ex-aid are the best ones, in my opinion
Of the armor times maybe, but I personally wouldn’t really put any of the armor times in Zi-O’s good looking form category
Zi-O II was the only one I really liked.
Base, 2 and Ohma Zio are good. Just about everything else is mid at best
I can agree with that.
I really love the armors...I think is cool how they enhance a specific elemento yo the extremes. Thats kinda why Gotchard's legend rider forms feels mid, they are just two elements glued with not actual intention to look to the theme.
The problem with the armors is they’re too bulky in the shoulders, and it just makes the whole armor look ridiculous. The kanji eyes also just don’t really work. It’s fine on his own forms, but when the change the kanji, it doesn’t always look right, OOO armor for example the eyes don’t look right, the color of the eyes also doesn’t work on most armors, pink clashes with a lot of colors. If they ditched the crazy shoulder pad concept, kept the kanji on the eyes the same as base form but changed the colors to match the armor, then they would be good
Some do look pretty good, others are okay, just uninspired or uninteresting, and a few are quite ugly.
Ah yes big shoulder armor Rider. At least it looks better than Revice form. Revice upgrade forms are cool, it's just the rider reference forms
I get the idea with the armors. Make it decade-like without being decade. But so many armors are ugly because they are just over designed. like too much going. The armors that look best imo are the simplest, such as build double Kuuga and OOO. OOO works because it covers the whole body and doesn't just cram a bunch of stuff on the arms and shoulders but keeps it somewhat streamlined unlike Gaim. And the decade watch forms... First, I never liked the flat card esque helmet, just made me think his face was squished in there the whole time. Second, some of the chosen forms for it were definitely debatable. I was never sure if it was meant to be based around upgrade or super forms. Seemed like they just wanted to pick and choose randomly. Now I can see choosing something like mighty action double x over maximum x and tajador is fine but really, I think rabbit rabbit and tank tank could have worked over sparkling But then I can kinda make sense of it all with budget restrictions and reusing parts from past suits and what was in the best shape made the cut. But if the original armors were simpler, hey look more available budget. Heck they could have done it as simple color changing and maybe mask too. Like, turn Zio's purple pieces appropriate colors for the rider who's watch is being used and give him their masks. Maybe built in weapons like OOO claws if they have any. Call it over soul or something instead of armor time/ as flashy? No, but saves budget that can go to make other aspects of the show that much better
He did use ooo tajadoru ridewatch for the time mazine in the ooo episode so that something🤷 didn't give him armor thought
Ziku driver really (in the show) really feels limited when using other Rider powers except Zi-O itself. Decadriver feels like actually using those powers despite only copy not inheriting like Ziku driver. At this point, it is better just using Ridewatch directly like in the Kabuto arc and the Hibiki arc. I meant needing to use Decade Ridewatch to unlock higher forms is kind of pathetic... You can see they tried to bypass this limitations with Grand Zi-O by summoning those Riders directly rather than using Driver... Only Oma Zi-O feels like inheriting those powers...
yeah pretty pathetic if i think about it. Without decade means that they cant progress lol
Personally? Don't really care about that. Partially glad they didn't. Otherwise it really *would* be Decade Season 2.
for real
I feel this was all a mix of budget issue only having so many episodes. If it had a larger budget, we could've afforded more costume molds (maybe even getting each main rider ride-armor a unique design that actually captures the vibe of the rider its based on), and if it were the length of something like Naruto then there'd be enough time to use all the different forms multiple times
Tsukiyomi was the most annoying character I've ever seen
So true LMAO
It just woulda been too many suits. As a tribute season, it makes more sense to go with the base forms if you have to choose just one. It would have been nice if Grand Zi-o used the final forms though, that’s true. Personally, I love the Zi-o suits! They’re kinda busy and overdesigned, but that was an intentional design choice and it’s part of the visual language of Zi-o. I have a lot of Zi-o figures and that really helped me come to appreciate the suits a lot more. They’re some of my favorites now!
I'm glad he didn't use the other Rider's Final Forms, frankly. The Final Forms should remain exclusive to their respective Rider.
yeah but i mean if there was a little bit here and there, it would have made it even better
yeah but i mean if there was a little bit here and there, it would have made it even better
I didn't care too much. We had Decade do a crossover too, as well as his rival Diend. All things considered, we got lots to see. Heck, even the guy with decades powers summoned villain riders. I think with only one season, it's a big ask to do all of the riders. On top of it, with decade being there, it also needed something to make it different. I think the armor and the big mecha suit was done just for that. Granted I think the movie had the other ride watches made available. Also there were villain monster suits for each rider. I think production threw out a gimmick and as much as they possibly could to make it all happen. Credit were credit is due. Now I will admit, I'm not a fan of the armor line. But I get it. It was to sell more toys for kids. And they did pretty cool things with OOOs, W, and Fourze. Both of those armors did something kind of cool. OOOs got some extra love with some extra watches. Gain even tried to reference the gimmick a little bit by making it all collapsible. The team did one he'll of a job on this.
Yeah i guess it really depends on personal liking and preferences
I don't personally like them too much. But I will say, effort was given to give us something people would like.
I mean, most of Zi-O’s suits are ugly af. Too bulky, too rigid, the only exception is the base forms and Oma Zi-O.
I was wanting to see OOO Tajador form used on the Zi-O suit instead of the Time Mazine, so this made me mad They did with the Decade and OOO watch but it didn't feel the same, as it was just the regular OOO watch
No drive
There's still a lot of watches I wish they make. The rest of the Showa Riders, Black Sun and Shadow Moon, even some more female riders, felt so weird that all we got was poppy.
It feels like the show wanted to be an anniversary season, but midway through they wanted to be it’s own separate thing. Like how the kamen rider references stop the moment Zi-O II appears, or how most episodes past it didn’t include tributes to past seasons. Some seasons didn’t even get their own tribute episodes (Drive, Ryuki (no, the Another Ryuga arc doesn’t count), W, and some others who had characters appearing but the episodes didn’t really focus on their series’ elements).
It doesnt look good anyway why would anyone even think having the final forms as additional forms lol... having ride watches for final forms is good enough
Yeah, not much use on the ride watches if the monsters can be defeated by better upgrades. Someone on youtybe DID show Zi-o in rider forms that weren't just advertisers like ryuki, Faiz, and Hibiki and Blade. Zi-O Faiz armor looked better anyway.
Did people not watch the show? They literally explain how the Ride Watches work. When the Ride Watches are created, they're created from that moment in time. That's why a Ryuga Ride Watch was never possible to be made, because Ryuga is not part of the Ryuki timeline that successfully becomes part of the Heisei Timeline. When the Ride Watches are created, they're created in the past prior to the creation of the Another Rider. And that means that Zi-O does not get Super or Final forms of said Riders, without the help of an outside tool. Because Another Riders generally don't get Final forms because they replace the original history if they're made in the past. Then going back to Ryuga, because Sougo created the Zi-O II Ride Watch, there was no reason to need the respective Ride Watch to defeat the Another Rider, they were only needed to create Grand Zi-O.
I HATE THIS ABOUT ZI O!!!! When I watched decade, I thought I could see why people would dislike this but I enjoy it and CANT wait for zi o i bet its as good as decade NO ITS NOT!! Zi o's armor forms SUCK!!! Decade used the forms like how ben 10 uses his watch, specific for the situation. Like a good example is in super hero taisen and decade kept switching forms according to gokai red, that was beautiful. Another example; decade used kuuga against kiva cause they both have very similar upgrade forms Zi o didnt do any of that, his armor forms were decoration, nothing more (besides decade). Another thing I disliked how they focused more on zi o forms in later half (zi o 2, grand zi o etc). Like I respect super and final form for that formula/tradition but they did more than that and that made them ignore the armor forms more And like you said, they didnt take advantage of the riders other forms like fang joker, ratorata, fire state. I understand that they probably dont have the time for that tho. Decade was the only way they showcased other forms, decade ridewatch allowed for build sparkling for example. After decade finished the 9th rider I thought they would delve into decade's story but they kept going to random universes like negative dimension which I thought was a missed opportunity and they needed movie to tie up plotholes but zi o did opposite and showed too much zi o's plot and not enough of the legend riders Also, armor forms ugly ALSO, legend secondary riders didnt get enough spotlight. Ok slow down the hate, another riders are some of the best villain designs and woz is a lovable character Another thing, another riders werent scary enough, you couldnt get attached to them cause they are always a rando person and anyone could become any another rider
I mean, that's kinda what the legacy riders do. They are just meant to reference the other riders. "Legacy riders" are what I call kamen riders that use the powers of riders to transform constantly and not just a one time special like decade.
there was some scrapped designs for other forms like kabuto and blade form sadly, they arent in the show ;0; https://preview.redd.it/wb1xagsar0dc1.png?width=485&format=png&auto=webp&s=eae6a4680f7dd2171e7c2f120af15e1afd86298a