As a Capitals fan, I was so happy when they beat Vegas in the championship. Not only because they won but because who TF does Vegas think they are being that good right out of the gate?!
I remember feeling the same way about the Marlins winning a WS 4 years after becoming a team.
It would be great. Sonics Blazers was great. Sounders-Timbers is great. It would force the Mariners to compete regionally for fans and hopefully create some urgency. And it’s good for travel.
MLB in Portland would be great for the Mariners in my opinion. Could cut down on the insane amount of travel time the team has to deal with, especially if they’re in division.
And as a Mariner fan in Oregon I’d selfishly love to chance to watch the Mariners without having to drive 5+ hours.
As someone who moved to SW Washington, could you guys explain Bi-Mart to me? I don’t understand what market that store is supposed to fill. Especially with the memberships.
MLB in Portland should work. That golf course site is ass though without MAX expansion.
fishing lures, beef jerky, hand warmers. thats their corner of the market in my opinion. also the secret is you dont need a membership, never did, just walk in
It’s like a cross between big lots and grocery outlet if they had a baby
Overall not a bad store better when you live in Washington and shop in Oregon to avoid tax
That site is garbage. Lloyd Center would be so, so much better, and would really help revive a struggling part of the city I love. Plus it'd be near Moda Center and I think that would be great.
The best location proposals I've seen were in NW Portland, near the Port of Portland terminals off of Front Ave. This would be really similar to where T-Mobile is in relation to downtown Seattle -- a couple/few miles from downtown, in an industrial/shipping port area, with room for development of commercialization nearby. Cramming it into the Lloyd District doesn't feel right to me, even though it would be a good way to revitalize that area. It just feels way too cramped.
I only liked that site as long as it came with upgraded transit. Not a lot of great ways to get there from NW and the rest of the city. I thought one of the original proposals was water taxis. It may be silly, but I would have loved taking a taxi from Vancouver or St John’s to the stadium.
Whoa, that would be awesome! I feel like at that location it would be cool to overlook the river and have boaters hanging out if it was positioned for splash HRs. I can't remember which direction the renderings had positioned the stadium. But it would be cool the other direction too, with the outfield pointing towards downtown and providing that view.
And yeah, I imagine they could expand the streetcar in that area somewhat easily. The deep NW industrial area is already a neighborhood that has had a TONNNN of development in the last ten years and it will only continue to spread anyway.
Bi-mart is like a miniature Walmart. They have a little bit of everything in just a smaller store. Need a fishing license, a tv, sandals, lightbulbs, nails, soda, envelopes, paper, cereal, tent. Well they probably got it and you don’t need to walk a football field to get it.
It's a *bit* of an exaggeration, but it sucks to drive down there so much I'd practically rather take the train up to Seattle than go to a game at the proposed location
They’re trying to buy the RedTail Golf center. I’m guessing they think the Lloyd Center is too small to fit a major league stadium, otherwise I don’t know why they would look anywhere else because as far as location, it’s nearly perfect.
Lloyd Center is big enough for a stadium. It just has less space for all the other development these real estate groups dream of (they want to do what Atlanta did).
Apparently, there has been a lot of red tape to deal with at the Lloyd Center location as well. It sounds like the Portland Diamond Project has basically given up on it.
It's a shame because it would be the perfect location. It's central, plenty of hotels, the light rail is right there. Greedy owners just want to own everything around the ballparks too now.
this is part of the reason I don't see portland actually getting a team before other markets. you just can't balk at the prospect of having some difficulty which has happened twice now in portland (all while the league is saying they aren't expanding)
now. Portland has tried before this while no one was thinking of expanding. and unfortunately Salt Lake is coming up fast as a media market (will probably surpass Portland in the next 10 years) and Charlotte and Raleigh Duram are both bigger than Portland. and none of this even touches on Montreal trying to get a team back. I also forgot to mention Nashville. there's a lot of competition for what's expected to be a 2 team expansion
Ah, now i see what you meant. Yeah, I agree with you for the most part, although I think Portland will mostly be competing with SLC for a team. Montreal or one of the NC cities are a possibility, but Nashville seems like the frontrunner so far, and I don't think they will add two teams from the east.
If I had to bet, I would say SLC will probably get a team over Portland. I just don't think there is a huge interest in getting an MLB team here, and it seems unlikely they would get any public funding for a stadium.
yeah and it's not like most of this subs delusion that there's no interest or effort in putting a team in SLC. Gail Miller is actively working on it too. I get that a lot of people here are in and from the PNW and would love to see a Portland team. but Frankly there are better options from a business stand point. but also RSN's imploding isn't helping the expansion timeline.
I’d love to have an actual rival.
Astros only dislike us because we’re not a pushover anymore and we dislike them for their dominance, attitude and cheating. Plus both team’s fans regularly get into online spats.
Angels might be our biggest rival but it’s not mutual. And the As and Rangers are just kinda there; when we’re both good it picks up a little but that’s really the extent of it.
However I can’t imagine ownership would be thrilled. That would be a significant tv market cut out of our territory. Unless they could get some kind of deal similar to how the Os got from the Nats, I can’t see them giving that their blessing.
We’re not really that close to being any team’s biggest rival. Texas teams have each other, Angels have the Dodgers in the same city, A’s had the Giants in the same metro area and Angels in the same state.
Rivalries in general are a lot less uniform in baseball (outside of the big ones - NYY/BOS, STL/Cubs, etc.) compared to the NFL or especially college football. It ebbs and flows more based on who’s good at the same time and memorable moments.
We had the Yankees for a couple years there in the 90s but of course ownership at the time didn't want to spend to keep pace. Boy aren't we sure glad those days are over?
I mean the point I was kinda trying to make was I don’t think the Yankees ever considered us their biggest rival in that 1995-01 stretch. Or second biggest for that matter. It was very much a one-sided thing.
We beat them in ‘95, but then they won 4 titles in 5 years or whatever it was so I don’t think they really cared.
Perhaps not but they were starting to get v annoyed at the pissant Mariners from who-knows-where as we owned them in the regular season basically from 95-01 and animosity would have grown into a proper rivalry had the miserly owner$$ been willing to keep their foot on the gas
> of course ownership at the time didn't want to spend to keep pace
In fairness, no one was going keep pace with the way Steinbrenner was spending in the late 90s - and we also did spend a lot on FA under the Gillick years.
As a portlander five minutes from the proposed site, I hope that shit never happens. Tigard and Beaverton does not have the infrastructure for it
The area is super suburban
Doesn’t stop Seattle! We have T-mobile and Lumen right next to each other and the main way to get there for a big chunk of people is a 2 lane road off the freeway lol
Max doesn’t go here. 217 would be the main feed point. It gets clogged daily already. Closest bus station is small and is at the mall. And it’s two exits would be hall or Allen since they want to put it on red tail.
Let alone that that are would need so much construction to redo the sewers for the increase of people. I’d rather apartment buildings tbh
My mind slipped on Portland geography, I was thinking out east. I hate hwy 26 and that whole area from the few months I worked in Portland. Would probably be a shit show you’re right
This is a terrible generalization. The stadiums are served by commuter rail (Sounder), light rail (Link) and have relatively good access to I-5 and I-90, along with plenty of bus service
You’re right, I was being a little stinker I’m sorry. Getting to the stadium from I-90 is my experience and it’s usually not great. Could be way worse though.
Yeah but the difference is that the SEATTLE Mariners play *in* downtown Seattle. I know we're blessed and this isn't common anymore but I think it's important.
I agree, I love the location to be honest. Just a little jab at the backups that can happen, but they could be way worse. I like getting there early, parking kind of far away and enjoying the walk through the city to the stadium. It would suck if the stadium was in Kent or Everett or something, I agree.
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That’s exactly why they did it. Labor pool already existed thanks to Nike. I have a friend who owned a home in North Portland near where Adidas built their N.A. HQ. He made a fortune turning over that house after Adidas opened.
the situation with the city government and baseball lobbying group is a clusterfuck. enough people support the idea to make it happen it's just a couple of egos at the top of the totem pole holding the whole thing up.
Bring it. The ownership group up here is lackadaisical without any regional competition. Another team might actually light a fire under the collective fat ass they jointly form.
Well, one can dream, right?
Id love to see it. I've loved this team since i was a kid(am a larger kid now) and maybe thats exactly the kick in the teeth this team needs to pull their heads out of their asses. Id love the threat of 'i'll watch someone else' to mean something to this ownership group.
Logistically, it would be cool for a cross-state/city rivalry, but I don't think Portland has the Corporate dollars/largesse to support MLB. Plus the Mariners consider Portland their territory and will fight such expansion tooth and nail IMO, e.g., SF Giants legal fight to keep the A's out of San Jose.
I feel like Portland is like 4th or 5th on the list realistically to get a franchise. Nashville, SLC, Raleigh, and Montreal probably have a better shot.
Portland does not have the infrastructure to support this project. We are literally in an official state of emergency currently due to our infrastructure issues, and it's frankly not feasible that this community could foot the bill for a billionaire pet project. I love baseball, but MLB has no place establishing itself in my area under its current model of doing so.
Go M's.
I'd love another PNW team, but I think I'd rather see one in Vancouver. Canada deserves another team. Don't get me wrong, I'd be thrilled with an expansion team in Portland, but Vancouver would be a better fit.
As someone who lives an hour south of Portland, and who loves the Mariners, I would feel incredibly conflicted, and therefore unable to root for this Portland team, unless they were National League.
No but it would definitely cut into their revenue if a neighboring city found early success which might precipitate either selling the team or just trying to tank move for a decade like the A's at which point good riddance to a perennial slap-in-the-face poverty sports franchise. If you can't tell I'm deeply angry and hurt re: the fucking Mariners
Honestly if Portland gets a team my guess is that it will be the Mariners that move there. I can’t imagine two teams in the PNW when most players don’t want to come up here already 🤷🏼♂️
I would love it but it will never happen for a variety of reasons. Mariners would absolutely put the screws to MLB to stop a team from cutting into their revenue across the Northwest region. Portland metro area has absolutely no political will to get an MLB stadium done. They lost a AAA team that they were essentially offered a free stadium for and there is a strong chance they lose their A ball team this year. Absolutely zero chance an MLB stadium gets funded ever. MLB would only give them a team if a stadium deal is done first and Portland would only do a stadium if given a team first (and maybe not even then knowing the power players involved tbh).
Good lord if it takes you 3hr 45 mins to get from Portland to Seattle you must be the slowest driver. I'm in Vancouver WA and it takes me only 2hr 30min to get to the ball park.
Now to answer your question It would be great but Portland can't support it. 10 years ago Portland could absolutely support and MLB franchise. Now I think it's too late. Portland is not a sports city. The Blazers have drawn very poor attendance since the pandemic part of that is of course the performance but largely I think it's a shift in the market. You don't see Blazers and Timbers gear all over Portland like you do in Seattle for the sports teams. You can't strike up a conversation about sports with friendly strangers on the street. There's no pride for the city of Portland that makes you want to support the home team. The public has no interest in funding a stadium. What owner is going to fully fund a park (that needs a roof) and put in Portland? It's not some untapped market. Seattle is close enough that if someone has interest in baseball they already have access via the Mariners.
There's just too many things going against Portland and nothing going for Portland over other Markets.
My thoughts exactly. Is this person stopping in Wenatchee on the way? I live in Hazel Dell and it takes about two and a half hours to get from the 99th Street exit to T-Mobile. And the business about the Mariners not having a big following is an outright lie. I’ve lived my whole life in Cowlitz and Clark counties and both places have predominantly Mariners fans. Wahkiakum County is so small that it barely even registers. And for the radio, get the Seattle Sports 710AM app
Wahkiakium county is the 3rd smallest county in the state population 4,500 no Macdonalds no real stores we have a dollar general and an iga but it’s a great spot if you want a lot of land and you don’t want people bothering you
I have about 65 acres of land 300 chickens a private gun range and my own mini golf course I built.
Overall great spot I just go to Astoria to shop and avoid paying state tax
Portland doesn't have the largesse of corporations that can buy the advertising and luxury boxes, nor does it have the plethora of high earning professionals that can buy the season tickets.
Arguably easier for the NBA in Portland - good national tv deal, lower overhead costs.
I feel like there are better markets like North Carolina and Salt Lake that should get a team before Portland... Investors also would have to get the Mariners to OK moving into their broadcast rights area along with not balking when the first sign of any type of inconvenience shows up like the last 3 times
SLC is in no way a better market than Portland. North Carolina doesn't have a serious proposal in the works.
Next expansion teams will most likely be Nashville and Portland, two cities with plans already in place for it. SLC is a recent addition to the mix and they also don't have a realistic plan in place yet, as they are balls deep in the middle of upgrading their AAA team facility.
Hey I’d like that. It’d be great for a little rivalry action. I’m all for them having a team. The other points I am hearing about travel time being a big plus sounds great. Plus, we already deep down know that Portland sucks and that we will dominate that town indefinitely.😏
Portland hardly supported AAA baseball when it was there in the 2000s. I don’t think that will appreciably change with an MLB team. Having a team in Portland would cut down on travel time for the M’s, for sure, but I just don’t really see how having a team in Portland would be good for baseball, the M’s, or anybody.
Bringing the Sonics back would be great for basketball, great for Seattle, and having the rivalry again would be great for the Blazers.
I'm a lifelong Mariners fan because I'm Portland, born and raised, and we don't have a team. I've never lived in Seattle, although we did live in Lake Stevens when I was very young. I like the Timbers well enough, but I'm still sad we lost the AAA Portland Beavers because of them. I've only been to one Hops game because I don't live in the burbs. If they put a Portland team in the burbs, it would majorly suck. It would also be very weird to suddenly root against a team I've rooted for forever as our closest rival.
I live in Portland so I would love it. It would be hard because I have been a mariners fan all my life. I would probably support both as long as I could rationalize it it’s my head.
As long as the current ownership is in place, don’t even think about it. A team in Portland is another payroll cut for the M’s. Only reason I keep cable is to watch the M’s and I’d drop it in a heartbeat if I could get them on the MLB app (Central Oregon). M’s territory is huge - WA, AK, ID, MT & OR. Don’t need another team taking a bite out of the fan base (revenue).
I think it would be great for the MLB, Portland, and baseball in the PNW. The rivalry with the Ms would be awesome. It may cut into their TV revenue a bit, but I live in the Portland area, and there just isn't a ton of support for the Mariners here. I think it would increase popularity for the sport overall if you added a team in Portland. The city has great fan support for their teams.
The plan to build the stadium in Beaverton is the only thing I don't like. Logistically, it is just a terrible location, but as I've said before, I would prefer a stadium in the suburbs to no team at all.
Too close for comfort. I'd think it would be pretty weird for Oregonians who grew up as miserable Mariners fans their whole lives. I'd probably go down to Portland slightly more often for away games, though, so that would be fun.
As an Oregon resident, I'm torn on it. I'm skeptical to some extent that the city could support the team, but that may just be the Mariners side of me not wanting to lose a big chunk of the fan base. Truly though, they have no good spot to put it at the moment. The Portland Metro area needs significant infrastructure expansion to support it's growing population, and the golf course site that is currently linked to it is beyond a joke. It's on a single lane road near a busy mall next to a small highway that's already trying to expand. At the bare minimum it needs to actually be in Portland and connected in the to the Max
I like Portland, I also think Vancouver, BC would be a great spot. Canada gets another team on the opposite side of country and you know they'd be popular with the amount of Canadians that flood Seattle when the Jays are in town.
I’d root for the Portland team to be successful for good rivalry sakes (unsure how I’d feel if they were an NL team), but as someone in SW Washington whose MLB team is Seattle, it’ll continue to be Seattle. But as of right now, it’d be a giant mess to untangle if a team were to come to the Portland metro area.
As someone who has lived in Portland my whole life but has been a mariners fan the whole time, I think I’m way too engrained into being a mariners fan. But I might raise my future children as a fan of the PDX team to save him from this existence.
I live in PDX and it's a sports town for sure, I don't worry about whether or not the region would support an MLB team, it seems a given that people would show up and show out. Having said that, I think a stadium in Beaverton is a truly terrible idea and would make attending games more challenging than it should be.
Lived in the Portland area for well over a decade...the vast majority of the folks there just don't care about baseball. Rarely if ever see anyone wearing M's apparel (and no one wearing a Yankees hat on the west coast is an actual Yankees fan...just a trashy trend-follower). Any Portland-area bar you go to, you'd have to ask them to change the TV channel from the news to the M's game. Same story during the World Series, regardless of who was playing. The last time there was a movement to build a stadium there, it pivoted sideways into some weird thing about teacher pay (not disputing the need, just a typical PDX non-sequitur response).
I've been gone for a few years, so maybe that's all changed now, but the fact that the M's don't even have an AM radio affiliate in the Portland area is telling. As far as attracting a team to move there, you'd need to build in a very heavy MAX presence to and from the stadium and sell diesel/burlap-flavored craft beer on the cheap to lure the locals in. Even if someone is privately footing the bill 100%, it won't get more than tepid support.
It'd be great to have a regional rivalry, but I just don't see it happening.
I’d love it until they won a World Series before we did
Right? They’d probably have tremendous success right out of the gate, knowing our luck. That’s when I would be sad and disappointed.
It’s why every NHL fan hates Vegas
As a Capitals fan, I was so happy when they beat Vegas in the championship. Not only because they won but because who TF does Vegas think they are being that good right out of the gate?! I remember feeling the same way about the Marlins winning a WS 4 years after becoming a team.
And in come Phil Knight uhhhhhhg
100% chance of happening
It would be great. Sonics Blazers was great. Sounders-Timbers is great. It would force the Mariners to compete regionally for fans and hopefully create some urgency. And it’s good for travel.
MLB in Portland would be great for the Mariners in my opinion. Could cut down on the insane amount of travel time the team has to deal with, especially if they’re in division. And as a Mariner fan in Oregon I’d selfishly love to chance to watch the Mariners without having to drive 5+ hours.
As someone who moved to SW Washington, could you guys explain Bi-Mart to me? I don’t understand what market that store is supposed to fill. Especially with the memberships. MLB in Portland should work. That golf course site is ass though without MAX expansion.
fishing lures, beef jerky, hand warmers. thats their corner of the market in my opinion. also the secret is you dont need a membership, never did, just walk in
It’s like a cross between big lots and grocery outlet if they had a baby Overall not a bad store better when you live in Washington and shop in Oregon to avoid tax
That site is garbage. Lloyd Center would be so, so much better, and would really help revive a struggling part of the city I love. Plus it'd be near Moda Center and I think that would be great.
The best location proposals I've seen were in NW Portland, near the Port of Portland terminals off of Front Ave. This would be really similar to where T-Mobile is in relation to downtown Seattle -- a couple/few miles from downtown, in an industrial/shipping port area, with room for development of commercialization nearby. Cramming it into the Lloyd District doesn't feel right to me, even though it would be a good way to revitalize that area. It just feels way too cramped.
I only liked that site as long as it came with upgraded transit. Not a lot of great ways to get there from NW and the rest of the city. I thought one of the original proposals was water taxis. It may be silly, but I would have loved taking a taxi from Vancouver or St John’s to the stadium.
Whoa, that would be awesome! I feel like at that location it would be cool to overlook the river and have boaters hanging out if it was positioned for splash HRs. I can't remember which direction the renderings had positioned the stadium. But it would be cool the other direction too, with the outfield pointing towards downtown and providing that view. And yeah, I imagine they could expand the streetcar in that area somewhat easily. The deep NW industrial area is already a neighborhood that has had a TONNNN of development in the last ten years and it will only continue to spread anyway.
Bi-mart is like a miniature Walmart. They have a little bit of everything in just a smaller store. Need a fishing license, a tv, sandals, lightbulbs, nails, soda, envelopes, paper, cereal, tent. Well they probably got it and you don’t need to walk a football field to get it.
Membership isn't really a big deal. It is $5 for a lifetime membership
As a resident of North Clark county, i would probably attend more games in Seattle than driving to Beaverton.
I live in Portland proper and this would *still* be true for me
Why's that?
US-26 is hell with traffic
Ah yeah I forget about that. Don't go over that way during rush hour much.
Just take a helicopter
Sorry but I-5 around centralia and Olympia and the military bases is awful too.
It's a *bit* of an exaggeration, but it sucks to drive down there so much I'd practically rather take the train up to Seattle than go to a game at the proposed location
Same, as someone living it southern Clark County.
Where in Beaverton? The only sites I know are Hillsboro, port of Portland, and Lloyd center
They’re trying to buy the RedTail Golf center. I’m guessing they think the Lloyd Center is too small to fit a major league stadium, otherwise I don’t know why they would look anywhere else because as far as location, it’s nearly perfect.
Lloyd Center is big enough for a stadium. It just has less space for all the other development these real estate groups dream of (they want to do what Atlanta did).
Apparently, there has been a lot of red tape to deal with at the Lloyd Center location as well. It sounds like the Portland Diamond Project has basically given up on it. It's a shame because it would be the perfect location. It's central, plenty of hotels, the light rail is right there. Greedy owners just want to own everything around the ballparks too now.
this is part of the reason I don't see portland actually getting a team before other markets. you just can't balk at the prospect of having some difficulty which has happened twice now in portland (all while the league is saying they aren't expanding)
>all while the league is saying they aren't expanding ??? The league has said they are expanding.
now. Portland has tried before this while no one was thinking of expanding. and unfortunately Salt Lake is coming up fast as a media market (will probably surpass Portland in the next 10 years) and Charlotte and Raleigh Duram are both bigger than Portland. and none of this even touches on Montreal trying to get a team back. I also forgot to mention Nashville. there's a lot of competition for what's expected to be a 2 team expansion
Ah, now i see what you meant. Yeah, I agree with you for the most part, although I think Portland will mostly be competing with SLC for a team. Montreal or one of the NC cities are a possibility, but Nashville seems like the frontrunner so far, and I don't think they will add two teams from the east. If I had to bet, I would say SLC will probably get a team over Portland. I just don't think there is a huge interest in getting an MLB team here, and it seems unlikely they would get any public funding for a stadium.
yeah and it's not like most of this subs delusion that there's no interest or effort in putting a team in SLC. Gail Miller is actively working on it too. I get that a lot of people here are in and from the PNW and would love to see a Portland team. but Frankly there are better options from a business stand point. but also RSN's imploding isn't helping the expansion timeline.
The Rays should move to Portland and become the Blue Rays.
I’d love to have an actual rival. Astros only dislike us because we’re not a pushover anymore and we dislike them for their dominance, attitude and cheating. Plus both team’s fans regularly get into online spats. Angels might be our biggest rival but it’s not mutual. And the As and Rangers are just kinda there; when we’re both good it picks up a little but that’s really the extent of it. However I can’t imagine ownership would be thrilled. That would be a significant tv market cut out of our territory. Unless they could get some kind of deal similar to how the Os got from the Nats, I can’t see them giving that their blessing.
Angels fans definitely hate us
As it should be
Not saying they like us but I don’t think most consider us their biggest rival.
We’re not really that close to being any team’s biggest rival. Texas teams have each other, Angels have the Dodgers in the same city, A’s had the Giants in the same metro area and Angels in the same state. Rivalries in general are a lot less uniform in baseball (outside of the big ones - NYY/BOS, STL/Cubs, etc.) compared to the NFL or especially college football. It ebbs and flows more based on who’s good at the same time and memorable moments.
We had the Yankees for a couple years there in the 90s but of course ownership at the time didn't want to spend to keep pace. Boy aren't we sure glad those days are over?
I mean the point I was kinda trying to make was I don’t think the Yankees ever considered us their biggest rival in that 1995-01 stretch. Or second biggest for that matter. It was very much a one-sided thing. We beat them in ‘95, but then they won 4 titles in 5 years or whatever it was so I don’t think they really cared.
Perhaps not but they were starting to get v annoyed at the pissant Mariners from who-knows-where as we owned them in the regular season basically from 95-01 and animosity would have grown into a proper rivalry had the miserly owner$$ been willing to keep their foot on the gas
> of course ownership at the time didn't want to spend to keep pace In fairness, no one was going keep pace with the way Steinbrenner was spending in the late 90s - and we also did spend a lot on FA under the Gillick years.
> Angels have the Dodgers in the same city Lol
Let me take the Amtrak down there for a Mariners-Portland series! Gimme that!
I would love to have one in Vancouver BC also.
As a portlander five minutes from the proposed site, I hope that shit never happens. Tigard and Beaverton does not have the infrastructure for it The area is super suburban
this getting downvoted by people who don't live in Portland is funny
The traffic to/from Beaverton at rush hour is INSANE already. Imagine adding sports games to that equation.
Lol seriously. I take the exit off hall 2 times a day and it is the bane of my existence. If we get stadium traffic I’m fuckkng moving lol
I go to Washington Square maybe once a year and regret it every time.
Doesn’t stop Seattle! We have T-mobile and Lumen right next to each other and the main way to get there for a big chunk of people is a 2 lane road off the freeway lol
There is a HUUUGE difference between Beaverton and Sodo. It would be like putting a stadium on ballinger way.
I lived in Oregon for 7 years before coming back to the Seattle area. I absolutely hated hwy 26, you’re probably right lol
Max doesn’t go here. 217 would be the main feed point. It gets clogged daily already. Closest bus station is small and is at the mall. And it’s two exits would be hall or Allen since they want to put it on red tail. Let alone that that are would need so much construction to redo the sewers for the increase of people. I’d rather apartment buildings tbh
My mind slipped on Portland geography, I was thinking out east. I hate hwy 26 and that whole area from the few months I worked in Portland. Would probably be a shit show you’re right
It already is without a stadium
This is a terrible generalization. The stadiums are served by commuter rail (Sounder), light rail (Link) and have relatively good access to I-5 and I-90, along with plenty of bus service
You’re right, I was being a little stinker I’m sorry. Getting to the stadium from I-90 is my experience and it’s usually not great. Could be way worse though.
at least there is the 1 line
Yeah but the difference is that the SEATTLE Mariners play *in* downtown Seattle. I know we're blessed and this isn't common anymore but I think it's important.
I agree, I love the location to be honest. Just a little jab at the backups that can happen, but they could be way worse. I like getting there early, parking kind of far away and enjoying the walk through the city to the stadium. It would suck if the stadium was in Kent or Everett or something, I agree.
If free agents don’t want to come to Seattle, they sure as hell won’t be going to Portland
Money is king. If the owner had deep pockets they would find players. The only reason Seattle doesn't get FA is we have a cheapskate owner.
I mean Portland would be one of the smallest market baseball team. They wouldn’t have a lot of money to spend
Phil Knight has enough Fuck You money and I'm assuming he would be the most likely owner.
Phil Knight will be 86 years old next week. Even if he was interested he will be dead before there is any chance of this coming to fruition
The dude is still out here trying to own the Blazers. I'm not convinced he wouldn't be part of a baseball group until he's in the ground.
Blazers is different. Existing team, existing arena, existing fan base. If he bought it tomorrow there would be no startup work to do
Phil Knight has an ambitious son set to inherit all the money.
Nike, Intel, Adidas, and many other companies have headquarters here. There's absolutely enough money in the area.
"Adidas AG (German pronunciation: [ˈʔadiˌdas]; stylized in all lowercase since 1949) is a German athletic apparel and footwear corporation headquartered in Herzogenaurach, Bavaria, Germany. It is the largest sportswear manufacturer in Europe, and the second largest in the world, after Nike."
https://www.adidas-group.com/en/about/headquarters/ North American HQ is in Portland.
I'm sorry I didn't know. Adi got some balls moving in next to Nike.
That’s exactly why they did it. Labor pool already existed thanks to Nike. I have a friend who owned a home in North Portland near where Adidas built their N.A. HQ. He made a fortune turning over that house after Adidas opened.
Krauts, Jerrys, etc.
Bring back PGE Park and kick out the Timbers 🤣
All for it. I want the boys to not need to fly 1000 miles for a road trip.
As a Portland resident I’d love it, I’d still root for mariners first
I would support it as long as it meant we could kick the Astros out of our division
Rather have it in Vancouver, BC
the situation with the city government and baseball lobbying group is a clusterfuck. enough people support the idea to make it happen it's just a couple of egos at the top of the totem pole holding the whole thing up.
I’d love an MLB team in Portland as long as it’s not the Mariners. And yes, they’ll probably win a World Series well before we do.
Bring it. The ownership group up here is lackadaisical without any regional competition. Another team might actually light a fire under the collective fat ass they jointly form. Well, one can dream, right?
I’m in Vancouver and I would still be a mariners fan. Grew up in Everett.
Are you me? Lol. Didn’t think there would be another Everett to the Couve Mariners fan
That’s cool. I left Everett in 90 so I’m more Vancouver than Everett now.
Id love to see it. I've loved this team since i was a kid(am a larger kid now) and maybe thats exactly the kick in the teeth this team needs to pull their heads out of their asses. Id love the threat of 'i'll watch someone else' to mean something to this ownership group.
I think ownership would be more likely to increase payroll because of the competition. They wouldn't want to lose too many fans to Portland
Logistically, it would be cool for a cross-state/city rivalry, but I don't think Portland has the Corporate dollars/largesse to support MLB. Plus the Mariners consider Portland their territory and will fight such expansion tooth and nail IMO, e.g., SF Giants legal fight to keep the A's out of San Jose.
It sound great in theory, but anyone who cares about the MLB in Portland is already a Mariners fan and the concensus is most wouldn't change.
I feel like Portland is like 4th or 5th on the list realistically to get a franchise. Nashville, SLC, Raleigh, and Montreal probably have a better shot.
Portland does not have the infrastructure to support this project. We are literally in an official state of emergency currently due to our infrastructure issues, and it's frankly not feasible that this community could foot the bill for a billionaire pet project. I love baseball, but MLB has no place establishing itself in my area under its current model of doing so. Go M's.
It would really hurt the organization.
I'd love another PNW team, but I think I'd rather see one in Vancouver. Canada deserves another team. Don't get me wrong, I'd be thrilled with an expansion team in Portland, but Vancouver would be a better fit.
A Vancouver team would hurt the Blue Jays more than it would hurt the M’s which I think is a mark in its favor.
Oh, totally. I'm all for cannibalizing the Jays' fanbase in the western provinces.
It's bizarre the amount of Blue Jays fandom I encounter in BC. It's bizarre and frankly kinda sad.
As someone who lives an hour south of Portland, and who loves the Mariners, I would feel incredibly conflicted, and therefore unable to root for this Portland team, unless they were National League.
Profit-obsessed Mariners ownership wouldn't change MOs just because MLB added a team geographically closer.
No but it would definitely cut into their revenue if a neighboring city found early success which might precipitate either selling the team or just trying to tank move for a decade like the A's at which point good riddance to a perennial slap-in-the-face poverty sports franchise. If you can't tell I'm deeply angry and hurt re: the fucking Mariners
Yes! Add Portland and Nashville, do 8 divisions of 4 like the NFL. AL Pacific: Mariners, Portland, Giants, Angels AL Central: Rangers, Astros, Royals, Rockies AL North: White Sox, Tigers, Guardians, Reds AL East: Red Sox, Yankees, Orioles, Blue Jays NL Southwest: Dodgers, A's, Padres, DBacks NL Southeast: Marlins, Rays, Braves, Nashville NL Midwest: Twins, Brewers, Cardinals, Cubs NL Atlantic: Phillies, Mets, Pirates, Nationals
It would cut into revenue in a way that would turn the Mariners into Pirates East. No thank you.
Honestly if Portland gets a team my guess is that it will be the Mariners that move there. I can’t imagine two teams in the PNW when most players don’t want to come up here already 🤷🏼♂️
I would love it but it will never happen for a variety of reasons. Mariners would absolutely put the screws to MLB to stop a team from cutting into their revenue across the Northwest region. Portland metro area has absolutely no political will to get an MLB stadium done. They lost a AAA team that they were essentially offered a free stadium for and there is a strong chance they lose their A ball team this year. Absolutely zero chance an MLB stadium gets funded ever. MLB would only give them a team if a stadium deal is done first and Portland would only do a stadium if given a team first (and maybe not even then knowing the power players involved tbh).
It won't happen, but if it did, I would love the rivalry. Since we don't have one.
Less travel for the M’s and pushes the mariners to put out a better product to keep their team. I’m for it.
Good lord if it takes you 3hr 45 mins to get from Portland to Seattle you must be the slowest driver. I'm in Vancouver WA and it takes me only 2hr 30min to get to the ball park. Now to answer your question It would be great but Portland can't support it. 10 years ago Portland could absolutely support and MLB franchise. Now I think it's too late. Portland is not a sports city. The Blazers have drawn very poor attendance since the pandemic part of that is of course the performance but largely I think it's a shift in the market. You don't see Blazers and Timbers gear all over Portland like you do in Seattle for the sports teams. You can't strike up a conversation about sports with friendly strangers on the street. There's no pride for the city of Portland that makes you want to support the home team. The public has no interest in funding a stadium. What owner is going to fully fund a park (that needs a roof) and put in Portland? It's not some untapped market. Seattle is close enough that if someone has interest in baseball they already have access via the Mariners. There's just too many things going against Portland and nothing going for Portland over other Markets.
My thoughts exactly. Is this person stopping in Wenatchee on the way? I live in Hazel Dell and it takes about two and a half hours to get from the 99th Street exit to T-Mobile. And the business about the Mariners not having a big following is an outright lie. I’ve lived my whole life in Cowlitz and Clark counties and both places have predominantly Mariners fans. Wahkiakum County is so small that it barely even registers. And for the radio, get the Seattle Sports 710AM app
Wahkiakium county is the 3rd smallest county in the state population 4,500 no Macdonalds no real stores we have a dollar general and an iga but it’s a great spot if you want a lot of land and you don’t want people bothering you I have about 65 acres of land 300 chickens a private gun range and my own mini golf course I built. Overall great spot I just go to Astoria to shop and avoid paying state tax
You're from Vancouver so that's good time considering you have to stop at least twice to siphon gas from parked cars
I make it there and back on 1 tank
I live east of cathlamet in a small area called Skamokawa
My bad. I do stand by the rest of my post though.
I feel for you. I absolutely hate taking Highway 4. If you time it right, is it faster to get to I-5 by taking the Westport ferry and taking US30?
Portland doesn't have the largesse of corporations that can buy the advertising and luxury boxes, nor does it have the plethora of high earning professionals that can buy the season tickets. Arguably easier for the NBA in Portland - good national tv deal, lower overhead costs.
I live in Portland and would love it
I feel like there are better markets like North Carolina and Salt Lake that should get a team before Portland... Investors also would have to get the Mariners to OK moving into their broadcast rights area along with not balking when the first sign of any type of inconvenience shows up like the last 3 times
SLC is in no way a better market than Portland. North Carolina doesn't have a serious proposal in the works. Next expansion teams will most likely be Nashville and Portland, two cities with plans already in place for it. SLC is a recent addition to the mix and they also don't have a realistic plan in place yet, as they are balls deep in the middle of upgrading their AAA team facility.
Hey I’d like that. It’d be great for a little rivalry action. I’m all for them having a team. The other points I am hearing about travel time being a big plus sounds great. Plus, we already deep down know that Portland sucks and that we will dominate that town indefinitely.😏 
Seattle gives absolutely zero shit about what Portland does
What team would move to Portland? No disrespect, just asking
Not until after we win a WS. I’d hate for them to win one before us.
Ouch!
Oh boy the potential to have one more team to unconditionally hate fancies me. Hating the rest of the AL west is no longer enough.
Portland hardly supported AAA baseball when it was there in the 2000s. I don’t think that will appreciably change with an MLB team. Having a team in Portland would cut down on travel time for the M’s, for sure, but I just don’t really see how having a team in Portland would be good for baseball, the M’s, or anybody. Bringing the Sonics back would be great for basketball, great for Seattle, and having the rivalry again would be great for the Blazers.
Well, someone has to replace the Angels when they finally get relegated.
I'm a lifelong Mariners fan because I'm Portland, born and raised, and we don't have a team. I've never lived in Seattle, although we did live in Lake Stevens when I was very young. I like the Timbers well enough, but I'm still sad we lost the AAA Portland Beavers because of them. I've only been to one Hops game because I don't live in the burbs. If they put a Portland team in the burbs, it would majorly suck. It would also be very weird to suddenly root against a team I've rooted for forever as our closest rival.
I live in Portland so I would love it. It would be hard because I have been a mariners fan all my life. I would probably support both as long as I could rationalize it it’s my head.
What a clever idea, no one’s ever thought of this before
As long as the current ownership is in place, don’t even think about it. A team in Portland is another payroll cut for the M’s. Only reason I keep cable is to watch the M’s and I’d drop it in a heartbeat if I could get them on the MLB app (Central Oregon). M’s territory is huge - WA, AK, ID, MT & OR. Don’t need another team taking a bite out of the fan base (revenue).
The Portland Weirdos has a nice ring to it
Realistically, big picture, probably one of the best things that could happen for the Mariners.
One should first be in Salt Lake City.
Fucking hate them already make it happen.
I honestly think Vancouver (BC) would better support an MLB team than Portland.
it would be cool but i honestly don’t care too much.
I’d love another team within driving distance, whether that’s in Portland or Vancouver
I think it would be great for the MLB, Portland, and baseball in the PNW. The rivalry with the Ms would be awesome. It may cut into their TV revenue a bit, but I live in the Portland area, and there just isn't a ton of support for the Mariners here. I think it would increase popularity for the sport overall if you added a team in Portland. The city has great fan support for their teams. The plan to build the stadium in Beaverton is the only thing I don't like. Logistically, it is just a terrible location, but as I've said before, I would prefer a stadium in the suburbs to no team at all.
John Stanton would hate it.
Too close for comfort. I'd think it would be pretty weird for Oregonians who grew up as miserable Mariners fans their whole lives. I'd probably go down to Portland slightly more often for away games, though, so that would be fun.
As an Oregon resident, I'm torn on it. I'm skeptical to some extent that the city could support the team, but that may just be the Mariners side of me not wanting to lose a big chunk of the fan base. Truly though, they have no good spot to put it at the moment. The Portland Metro area needs significant infrastructure expansion to support it's growing population, and the golf course site that is currently linked to it is beyond a joke. It's on a single lane road near a busy mall next to a small highway that's already trying to expand. At the bare minimum it needs to actually be in Portland and connected in the to the Max
I couldn’t switch my allegiance, even if we got a team down here. I’d go to some games but M’s come first!
I like Portland, I also think Vancouver, BC would be a great spot. Canada gets another team on the opposite side of country and you know they'd be popular with the amount of Canadians that flood Seattle when the Jays are in town.
no, just NO
Baseball teams need a stadium. They gonna build one in wilsonville or Beaverton? 🤢🤢🤢🤮
I’d root for the Portland team to be successful for good rivalry sakes (unsure how I’d feel if they were an NL team), but as someone in SW Washington whose MLB team is Seattle, it’ll continue to be Seattle. But as of right now, it’d be a giant mess to untangle if a team were to come to the Portland metro area.
Long overdue!
As someone who has lived in Portland my whole life but has been a mariners fan the whole time, I think I’m way too engrained into being a mariners fan. But I might raise my future children as a fan of the PDX team to save him from this existence.
Fuck ‘em
No! You have the pickles already. Those games are really fun to watch.
I live in PDX and it's a sports town for sure, I don't worry about whether or not the region would support an MLB team, it seems a given that people would show up and show out. Having said that, I think a stadium in Beaverton is a truly terrible idea and would make attending games more challenging than it should be.
Lived in the Portland area for well over a decade...the vast majority of the folks there just don't care about baseball. Rarely if ever see anyone wearing M's apparel (and no one wearing a Yankees hat on the west coast is an actual Yankees fan...just a trashy trend-follower). Any Portland-area bar you go to, you'd have to ask them to change the TV channel from the news to the M's game. Same story during the World Series, regardless of who was playing. The last time there was a movement to build a stadium there, it pivoted sideways into some weird thing about teacher pay (not disputing the need, just a typical PDX non-sequitur response). I've been gone for a few years, so maybe that's all changed now, but the fact that the M's don't even have an AM radio affiliate in the Portland area is telling. As far as attracting a team to move there, you'd need to build in a very heavy MAX presence to and from the stadium and sell diesel/burlap-flavored craft beer on the cheap to lure the locals in. Even if someone is privately footing the bill 100%, it won't get more than tepid support. It'd be great to have a regional rivalry, but I just don't see it happening.