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Trainman1351

All we really need for this to become a reality is stronger alloys so that the rails don’t disintegrate in 10 shots


vegarig

> stronger alloys so that the rails don’t disintegrate in 10 shots Or a way to rapidly swap rails out. [Perhaps like here?](https://youtu.be/uqd88M62Wpk?feature=shared&t=53)


Trainman1351

I mean, it might work. The US has used somewhat similar loading systems for their early naval missile systems. The main problem would probably be that such a system would negate two of the main advantages of gun-based systems, their density and cost effectiveness. In the space where you have 50 VLS cells, you can have 500 shells and charges. If you need to store gun barrels as well as shells, that advantage is greatly diminished. These barrels are also not likely to be cheap.


vegarig

> If you need to store gun barrels as well as shells, that advantage is greatly diminished. I guess that might depend on what kinda mileage can be squeezed out of barrel. It's likely to only be an intermediate solution anyway, until alloys become good enough to withstand a lot of firings.


Trainman1351

Ye. Though the effort to create such a system would probably not be seen as worth it. For missiles they were offering a completely new capability, so the cost was deemed acceptable. However, railguns really just provide a more cost-effective way to strike long-range targets. An intermediate system would likely not possess that advantage to the degree necessary to be worth it, and at most would see limited service on a single ship modified to take the system.


vegarig

> and at most would see limited service on a single ship modified to take the system That's what I was thinking - a "shakedown" ship to get some real-life railgun usage data, with successor hopefully not needing such rail reload system anymore. More or less a glorified test vehicle


Trainman1351

Ah. I thought you were talking about something more like the AA missile systems on US warships pre- Arleigh Burke.


vegarig

> Ah. I thought you were talking about something more like the AA missile systems on US warships pre- Arleigh Burke I mean, that can still kinda sorta happen, IF 1. Railguns show enough performance that using them would provide far greater capability than staying with conventional systems 2. Material science fails to develop drastically more durable rails, but manages to majorly shave off the price for decently more durable ones, making it acceptable to have rail magazine and autoloader aboard the ship. 3. Some kinda threat appears that'd necessitate provision of at least one railgun ship per carrier strike group But that'd, once again, require all those conditions to get fulfilled somehow. And it's not too likely.


Schellwalabyen

We could also try levitating the rod inside the railgun not letting it touch the gun, but they probably do that already.


crankbird

You’d probably want to turn the inside of the tube into a reasonably high quality vaccum before the shot .. but then you’d need something that can open inside of a few microseconds and also form an airtight seal and have that cycle a few hundred times before needing a replacement


Damian_Cordite

There’s a niche use as a “cheap” Martian orbital delivery system. No counterballast issues. Enough atmosphere to cool. Gun strong enough to shoot stuff into space. Could be a good way to refine asteroid ore, just crash it into Mars and send it back into space purified.


calfmonster

You been watching the expanse or something? (I have been)


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felixthemeister

You can probably intercept them, especially if the target is carrying the AA. It's just that intercepting the rounds is unlikely to have much, if any, effect.


carpcrucible

Ok easy solution, just replace the ships instead


Illustrious_Mix_1064

3000 one-time-use railgun boats of the USN


CyberV2

Gattling Railgun when?


pythonic_dude

Make it rotate through 6-8 rails on each side (think like two gattlings next to each other for visual reference). Optionally add active cooling for the rails not currently firing.


just_a_bit_gay_

If you’re using an explosive harpoon to kill whales, why not just have a guided torp then harpoon the carcass so this doesn’t happen?


vegarig

Cost-cutting, most likely. Much like all the other things in Avatar. Especially after Karl Falco managed to break ***MULTIPLE*** Dragon Assault Ships during his time in Hell's Gate


Zednot123

> Much like all the other things in Avatar. We have to remember, that the whole purpose of human presence is commercial exploitation of resources. So doing shit as cheap as possible, fits the narrative.


Johnny12Guitars

Just fire the rails


Glass1Man

The rails are essentially propellant at this point.


dutch_connection_uk

Rebrand it as a plasma cannon.


Hyperious3

Coat the rails in vapor deposition grown diamond. Diamond is pure carbon, a conductor itself, and the hardest material known to man. Basically unlimited barrel life.


caveTellurium

OK. Replace every 10 shots. Plenty of rails available (think railroads). Old technology. Or: Recycle rails with movable small and cheap furnace from Hone Depot (uses electricity from same generator).


Trainman1351

I mean, if you check my thread with u/vegarig you will see why I think that even though it would probably work, it would probably not be used


useablelobster2

That's why coilguns are the real dark horse. Sure muzzle velocities are piddly right now, and will never reach the same potential as railguns, but they also don't need fantasy materials to work. They could at least displace conventional firearms, while being almost completely silent, with simpler and lighter ammo (i.e. a lot more of it), and less moving parts (just ammo feeding, no bolt or ejection), no fouling or barrel wear. Railguns are the Tiger tank, Coilguns are the Sherman. Less flashy, but far more practical in every way which counts.


Trainman1351

Exactly. I have always thought of railguns as the go-to for main guns thanks to their higher power, while coil systems are great for secondaries and gauss-assisted cannon because of lower maintenance.


low_priest

Much of the sound from a conventional firearm is from breaking the sound barrier, it's why you use subsonic rounds with suppressors if you want to be quiet. It won't be *as* loud, but "completely silent" is a myth. Ammo is cheaper and easier for something like a shipboard application, where you've got room for capacitors and electrical generation capability. But a personal scale coilgun would need a shitton of battery power. You're just changing the form you store the energy in. You've got to get the projectile moving somehow, after all. And currently, gunpowder is like an order of magnitude more energy dense than batteries. You're going to end up with heavier ammo, not lighter.


Oh_ffs_seriously

>And currently, gunpowder is like an order of magnitude more energy dense than batteries. So just detonate a small amount of gunpowder to charge a capacitor that powers the coilgun, duh.


BigHardMephisto

Or improve the projectile so firing it at a huge maintenance cost doesn’t seem so silly. What if we use the magnetic propulsion to eject a guided missile a great distance away, then before it completely slows down the rocket motor is ignited thus increasing the total range?


low_priest

Or: just add another stage and/or more fuel. We can already build rockets that fly around the globe.


Rocket_Fiend

What if we made it similar to caseless ammunition. Rail and round integrated. I guess it would really be more of a “barrel” magazine… Cycling them into the turret, integrating them with power once “chambered” and expending them when done. Likely get several uses out of each before needing to toss the whole thing.


Imperium_Dragon

Well you’d also need a lot of extra rails, which takes up space. At that point you might as well just pack a bunch of missiles.


Rocket_Fiend

I think, my noncredible friend, you have missed the point. The rounds and the rails would be packaged together. Expendable. Since the rails would likely hold up for a number of firings you could refit them with projectiles and then put them back into service. I’ve absolutely no idea how much rail is needed for proper effect, but let’s just pretend it’s about ten feet. So a bunch of 10-foot long rail/inner barrel/projectile containers.


Hyperious3

Costs a shitload less. On a ship size doesn't matter so much


cis2butene

magnetic containment so it is contactless. While I'm dreaming I'd like a pony (technical).


Boulderfrog1

Xcom gaming


bazilbt

I'm interested in these helical railguns that combine a coil gun and Railgun. Apparently they significantly improve efficiency and reduce the current used at the rails, which should increase lifespan.


Distinct-Dress-93

Or, hear me out, make a gatling gun style rail gun so that the barrels don't wear out quickly


omeggga

Curious, what are your thoughts on [Helical Railguns](https://youtu.be/Xll9rIzZPeQ)?


epicwinguy101

Well make better alloys then! What are you people waiting for?


Kamiyoda

Or Japanese Teenagers >!This is a To aru reference!<


Skraekling

You jest but my wife is convinced (she did the math) she can jury rig a nuclear powered railgun on a cargo ship if needed (she probably can).


General_Totenkoft

After reading *The Sum of All Fears,* of the great Tom Clancy, I assumed I could jury rig my own nuclear device, given the base mats


squeakyzeebra

I really wanna see an Apache refuel from an ICBM


General_Totenkoft

That's easy, just strap it to the missile before launch


seancbo

Problem: attack helicopters are highly vulnerable to manpads during their slow approach Solution: intercontinental ballistic attack helicopters


SkedaddlingSkeletton

Real solution: [put some jet engines and an 80s theme song on it](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yW9SDuJHk94) Only shit the 80 lacked was a tank, you got the chopper, [the car](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5BsFnk83NMI) and [the bike](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6c_-KvMTOOc)


General_Totenkoft

Yeeeees


squeakyzeebra

I’m just now realizing I meant to say SSBN as a reference to the scene from debt of honour but I’m not changing it bcuz it’s too noncredible


Squidking1000

Get me the enriched plutonium and so can I (or anyone). A gun type nuke is as simple as it gets.


useablelobster2

Still pretty complicated, but a fizzle is still plenty big enough to do a funny.


pinkmeanie

In Sum of All Fears they did an implosion device, with local lens grinders providing the precision machining.


iAmODST

That is truly one of the books of all time.


SoylentRox

Israeli nuclear weapons only right.  Cuz it's infused with evil magic.


51ngular1ty

Worst comes to worst you create a spectacular dirty bomb.


CyberV2

Your wife sounds powerful congrats on the score


PM_Me_A_High-Five

Need perun PP of this


Blackhero9696

She’s a keeper.


thank_burdell

Using cargo containers as ammunition would be peak credibility. Pretty sure Amazon would like to know more.


AndyTheSane

Delivery in 30 minutes to anywhere in the world!


countfizix

Like FedEx breaching pod in Expanse?


TheAgentOfTheNine

The thing is the huge amount of energy you need to store and deliver extremely fast into the projectile. Closest thing today is the electric catapult system of modern carriers, and that still delivers less energy and way slower than required. You need a huge bank of capacitors and that has even less power density than the wheels used in the carrier.


ThatGuyNikolas

Metal Gear?


Verbose_Code

Issue is the rails wear insanely fast. They also must be super precisely manufactured, which means super expensive. It’s a material science problem, not an electrical engineering one


low_priest

where's she gonna find the reactor?


Dirt_boy336

Shoulder mounted Rail guns for anti-armour? Personally, ive always been a fan of the Spartan laser


Boulderfrog1

The giant fuck off fire hazard battery on the soldier's back:


bittercripple6969

That's a funny way to spell "nuclear reactor".


anotheralpharius

Nah trebuchets are better, you don’t even need electricity


Clearly_a_Lizard

Warwolf my beloved


Ancient_Demise

Okay but what if you used a rail gun to accelerate the trebuchet's counterweight downwards?


actuallyiamafish

QK-class end of world scenario. I'm still down to try it though.


RaiaTheTrovian

For those people that aren't well versed in SCP stuff, QK-Class means a End of the World scenario with some sort of physics shenanigans going on.


wasmic

Huh, never heard of that designation before. Only XK (end of the world), XC (societal restructuring) and XZ (reality failure). With the X being constant and the second letter denoting the scope of things breaking.


actuallyiamafish

There are actually a ton of K class scenarios. A lot of them only appear in one or two containment files or some random tale somewhere so most people only know the really popular ones: https://scp-wiki.wikidot.com/k-class-complete-list


Nota7andomguy

[It’s usually the other way around.](https://scp-wiki.wikidot.com/k-class-complete-list) The K stays and the other letter signifies the kind of disaster.


anotheralpharius

I just came up with an amazing idea, launch a railgun with a trebuchet and time it so the railgun acts as a top attack weapon


MasterKiloRen999

We need to contact Raytheon immediately


actuallyiamafish

Operation Angry Birds


FlthyCasualSoldier

Amateurs talk strategy, professionals talk logistics, We talk cool guns.


LethalDosageTF

But if sound moves faster than tomahawks, can’t we just try asking people not to be mean?


AndyTheSane

You mean.. don't blow stuff up? I'm afraid that's not an option around these parts.


GloryGreatestCountry

Consider the following: Coilguns.


Monneymann

Arma 3 had a variant of the erstaz black eagle armed with one. I think they finally released that tank.


useablelobster2

Actually too credible, get out of here with your far more practical suggestion.


NorthLogic

You're missing one of the best parts of railguns: they don't need the previous projectile to leave the barrel before firing the next one. The only limit to the rate of fire is power and loading time.


this_shit

And barrels and heat dissipation.


NorthLogic

Don't you dare bring things like "physics" and "material science" into my NCD.


this_shit

OMG I'm so sorry


slaveofficer

We'll shoot them from a really cold place. Like the Arctic or my ex's heart. Problem solved!


Glass1Man

That’s just a long range flamethrower with extra steps.


Tanckers

Well actually Effects of relativistic speeds start to occur at ~11% of c. Railguns go at 0.00001% c. No relativistic effects for you


nickierv

No, you have to account for relativistic effects once your at orbital velocity, see GPS. But it depends on what sort of effects and what magnitude you can ignore.


useablelobster2

For ultimate precision, yes, but for this kind of application not so much. 1 / sqrt(1 - v^2) is the gamma factor, where v is the fraction of c. So at 0.1c, your factor is around 1.005, half a percent. That's a rounding error for most uses. We aren't talking "but officer, the red light looked green to me" kinds of speed here.


Boulderfrog1

I mean I assume the bullets aren't going to need to calculate earth time accurate to the microsecond or whatever the GPS needs to perform its black magic


Chubb-R

"Mom they're making fucking Metal Gear agai-"


Rivetmuncher

Get them to declassify MARAUDER, then we'll talk.


john_andrew_smith101

This guy over here making a big deal about .001% of lightspeed, meanwhile MARAUDER hit 3% before it was classified 30 years ago.


MainsailMainsail

Classified? No no no my friend, it was simply discontinued :) definitely non-viable :) please stop asking questions :):):)


Shaun_Jones

I will continue to spread the good word of plasma railguns until the day I die. Literally their only flaw is that they don’t work in a vacuum.


Rivetmuncher

Blow a few kilos of gas over the thing just before the shot?


Shaun_Jones

Still doesn’t work. The projectile is only held together by atmospheric pressure differentials, which means that you need to have some kind of atmospheric pressure along the entire flight path. 


TeaMoney4Life

Sounds like we need to make a fighter or ship from Ace Combat now.


RBloxxer

SALVATION!


CaptHorizon

#3000 Stonehenge railguns of the (US)ean Armed Forces


Chara_cter_0501

Give a french woman enough time and she will put one on a fighter jet


erlulr

Coils are the solution. Rail is just LCD eqivalent, we should skip it


MindwarpAU

Absolutely. A bit more complex than rail, but coil is more reliable, actually works and you can easily dial a speed.


communistyankee871

Railgun the Kerch Bridge for the ultimate funni


nickierv

Somehow I read that as 'convert the Bridge to act as a railgun'. Got any suggestions for ammo for that?


communistyankee871

Too unknown for Russia. Them seeing a railgun would be the equivalent to humans discovering fire


Kishandreth

Mach 9 is amateur numbers. I fully support the development of rail guns into the beasts they will eventually become. However, other weapons can do the same or close enough to the same for far less cost. Once railguns or MACs (magnetically accelerated cannons) start hitting 30km/s then things get really spicy. Another possibility is if we fine tune railguns energy requirements so a modern tank can provide enough power. A big issue with railguns is over penetration. If a round is punching through the target, then a lot of force isn't being distributed to the target. The biggest drawback of a railgun at 3km/s is that the earth is round. That slug is going to punch right through the target and make for a bad day for some random person half a hemisphere away. 3km/s may not reach escape velocity (~11.2 km/s) but it'll travel quite the distance punching a hole through everything before the target and beyond.


nickierv

No, you need to account for shock heating. SR71 had all sorts of heating problems and it was only hitting \~1/3 that speed. Even with a pointy dart, once you hit something remotely solid your aerodynamics are less credible than NCD and your dealing more with a fluid than a solid mass.


Iulian377

Nonono. I saw the Spacedock video. What you need is that 3 propulsion system rail-coil gun with gas expansikn boost.


Unistrut

One of the guys working with Survival Research Labs made a rail gun. It would charge up a bank of capacitors and then slam a copper rod across the rails. The rod would melt almost instantly but the molten copper would get blasted out the front in a glowing spray. You can see it in operation in their [Carnival of Misplaced Devotion](https://youtu.be/ODSQpgMBR5I?t=190) show. The big white PVC bit at the bottom left of the frame is the "barrel" although it doesn't guide the projectiles at all and mostly just keeps bits from hitting the audience and keeps your fingers out of it. You can also see it firing at 2:38 and 2:58 in that video although you can't see the projector itself. It's not much to look at though, looks like an old stick welder box with a wide but short PVC barrel on top. I think that's the same guy who built an EM pulse generator as an installation art piece.


SirDogeTheFirst

In the future we will have reactors small enough to put on planes, then we will have electric A-10s with railguns for CAS. Just imagine being a random rebel in a civil war, hiding on your fort, protected from dangers behind your reinforced concrete walls, to be jump scared by tungsten roads piercing through the walls and moving towards you at the speed of MACH fuck you.


low_priest

>future A-10s NCD is dead


SirDogeTheFirst

Look, if I am arming a plane with an electromagnetic-powered minigun, I might well light it like an upper-middle-class suburban in the Christmas season to show the enemy what they will be killed in seconds later. And the A-10 is not that bad tbh, it has a pretty good record against British armed vehicles, which are considered NATO level is in quality.


Parking_Scar9748

We should use rail guns for artillery. Conventional artillery is known to give operators long term brain damage due to the explosions. Railguns should mitigate that.


Hypertension123456

You can avoid brain damage by using a brainless firing crew. Like robots or Russian conscripts.


khares_koures2002

DON'T TALK TO ME ABOUT "CLASSIFIED"!


potato_control

Pfff…Outdated 😎 Portable fusion reactor + directed energy weapon = Unlimited ammo & Speed of Light Velocity


copingcabana

And, in a pinch, you can cannibalize scrap metal for more ammo.


sweipuff

*They're charging at us !!! Load the grapeshot !!!* Some ~~Napoleonian~~ sci-fi soldiers.


copingcabana

Or the cutlery. Imagine charging a position with 20,000 of your closest friends and getting taken out by a butter knife going Mach 9.


Drake_the_troll

VLS about to become HLS


infamousstray

The size of the one you show firing the iron arrow is quite big and only for naval ships In theory i think and i would also question the effectiveness of the smaller handheld one but if there's a video of that firing and showing some results than that'd be awesome


pietya

"Operation: Only my RAILGUN can shoot it. imasugu" commences under General Biri-Biri


an_agreeing_dothraki

can we put a magnetic launch weapon on a Gustov?


niktznikont

i will never get over the fact that the current flows in the opposite direction to the electrons


this_shit

Sure but then they get a power cycling failure at a critical moment and boom there goes argentina to a martian nuke.


just_a_bit_gay_

Bring back big-gun battleships but with scramjet-assisted, nuclear-tipped, guided railgun shells


IronBabyFists

Coincidentally 400 km is roughly the distance it takes to go past being frighteningly powerful and wrap back around to funni


AutismFlavored

Can the projectile be fitted with some sort of DU tip?


Megalomaniakaal

Railguns? is the question. And the answer is 'Yes'


OldSkoolPantsMan

Okay, folks while we’re talking railgun technology. Whatever happened to Metal Storm - that company that developed the railgun technology and was listed on the stock exchange. It seems to have disappeared as well as the tech? I was convinced there was so much potential in that tech.


Shaun_Jones

There were some problems with it. The first was that to reload meant you had to replace the entire barrel assembly, and I’m not sure that reloading spent barrels in the field was possible. This also meant that the guns were very heavy for their ammo capacity (the 40mm grenade launcher version was like the size of a 120mm mortar). Finally, each round would have a different amount of barrel length and therefore a different muzzle velocity, which was not good for accuracy. These aren’t necessarily unsolvable issues, but it would have taken a lot of development time that wasn’t considered worth it for how niche the weapon was.


got-trunks

The problem was the current literally melted the structure. Figure that out. Nerd. (I am just being sarcastic, I know OP is being like us)


Playful_Pollution846

I want it like halo where instead of installing railguns on ships we build ships around railguns


unicodePicasso

The problem with the railgun is that it’s so powerful it guts its own barrel when fired. Source: trust me bro.


crappy-mods

I should probably finish my prototype and get it patented…


MrWaffleBeater

If someone is shot by one do they just disintegrate?


Pappa_Crim

Japan is still working on theirs


barukatang

Curios droid providing dazzle camo for the ground troops.


ralphington

I keep ripping my nipple rings out when I use the shoulder-fired variant... anybody have a fix for that?


nolanicious_one

based curious droid enjoyer


SanDiegoThankYou_

Forgot to say it can run on solar power, so remote bases are not a logistical nightmare


sicpsw

You know if you had a portable generator capable of enough electric power for a rail gun with KE near a 120 x 570mm NATO round I feel like more than half of the world's reason for conflicts will be solved.


Outrageous_Hope_18

Why not just take the ULTRAKILL approach to things and make the guns shoot metal flakes at mach jesus that can be reflected from coins, and also industrial nailgun minigun


Warshitarse

Shortcomings: The amount of electrical power required to generate enough current for a decently sized projectile to achieve a speed like that is huge. The rails wear out over time and need to be checked and replaced frequently in order to prevent catastrophe. Still very cool and effective, it's just because of those two points that mass adoption is coming later.


Schrodinger_cube

you know hes spent the last few years looking at the data because his shirt looks like a repeating pattern of the compressible flow data and he thinks it is a flex on his colleges.


Puzzled_Advisor_2133

This would kind of take "know what's behind your target" to a whole new level.


Tea_Fetishist

Do these actually do much damage with a 10lbs dart or do they just leave a small hole all the way through a ship?


Shaun_Jones

Plasma railguns are even funnier; there is no other way to kill fools and break stuff with a donut of air moving at three percent of the speed of light.


radik_1

Bonus: it's carbon negative. Use reactor to power the condensers, kill those dirty diesel vessels. We should arm the just stop oil protesters with it and let them loose in the Black sea


sync-centre

Rods from god?


Boulderfrog1

Not even remotely, unless your criteria is just thing go fast