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I know... i kinda killed myself with that one... reversed cooked xD... i for some odd reason wrote purple... probably cuz all i could think of was beerus at the time lmao
The angel should be allowed to fight and their full power grand priest maybe can apply his erasure technique to other we don't see grand priest fight they should win.
Every single angel is multiversal with time rewind abilities and matter creation
Hell multiversal is the pre requisite for being a angel, just being multiversal isn’t a win con here
True
But it's DC comics
Their universos are way too big, with diferent dimensions and crazy Space stuff
That's only talking about one, you can imagine the rest
It's unfair
Eh I don't think I'd say super has shown much of them being multiversal... Zeno is the only one shown to actually destroy universes. The only universal feat any other characters have is Beerus and Goku fighting nearly destroying the universe, but that is kinda retconned by the fact bigger fights (Broly, Moro, Granolah, Gas, and Cell Max) are happening with no real repercussions. At most its been localized rips in space like with the Broly fight which is hardly a universal feat in my book.
The guy you commented above is either playing stupid or is stupid. Almost all fictional works that scale to even planetary heavily reduce the environmental damage the attacks do. To try and use that as an anti feat is idiotic. Nah, let’s just have any story that gets to that point take place solely in the vacuum of space because any time a character seriously fights every thing that doesn’t scale to universal plus in durability is evaporated.
Martian Manhunter for one. He’s described as being a physical equal to Superman (who punched a multiversal creator and shattered their replacement multiverse) and survived being completely obliterated by the evil mother of all of creation. And his telepathic abilities are second to none as he can read any mind in the universe.
Flash is another one and all of them can run faster than light, can travel through time and (if they really wanted to) undo the Big Bang. Wally West especially is in a whole other league of power and speed that can’t even be understood by literal gods.
Excluding Batman, green arrow and black canary, the two hawk mfs and the red tornado or whatever his name is, the rest of the characters highballed easily get to outer with irrelevant speed especially because they scale relative to Superman. They should all be able to neg-diff on their own.
Batman can also win on his own with prep-time ofc
It’s not, Superman solos
Edit: they hated me cuz I was right
https://preview.redd.it/fmadrqf0l6ad1.jpeg?width=1041&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=aefdf2b0d1971a3383b3fd8f3a0cc12b47b0bbd1
So again clearly just don't know anything about DB universe. Angels can rewind time, faster than light, and can create matter. Before he knew what was happening they would be able to create a kryptonite dome to encase him and then shrink the dome down until he literally couldn't even move. Now there's versions of Superman that aren't as vulnerable to kryptonite but the capabilities of the angels are without a doubt holding their own against him
https://preview.redd.it/o0mz07d336ad1.png?width=720&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=27985635e71522bb77383865e7e1dcc0c84561b8
Is that supposed to be impressive? Superman can time travel too. The angels aren't doing shit lmao.
[kryptonite??? it's not gonna do anything ](https://imgur.com/a/OxR7uv4)
One shotted barbatos while weakened greatly. Who killed the world forger. Who also created hypertime. It's even worse, Barbatos being punched alone is **high high feat**.
Barbatos is cosmic dark God who was created for consumers and destroy universes/multiverses.
His [job is destroy universes/multiverses](https://imgur.com/IcL6Iba) and have [destroy billions and countless universes](https://gyazo.com/f60b1a1343fb6ca3f83ce98a41aa4aa5).
[*His scream is the dark chord that shakes the strings of the multiverse*](https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/vsbattles/images/b/b3/Anti-Music1.jpg/revision/latest?cb=2019011905022).
[*which threatened the multiverse, break laws of physics*](https://imgur.com/a/u0izRLh) as well as the universal music that the Ultima Thule use to travel between realities
[**Had chained Mandrakk with some effort**](https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-d40c9b18f283314c665d7750cbcafa87-lq), you know Manddark who fought CAS!
[*Barbatos actions affected the Dreaming, starting by burning the Lucien's Library then the whole Dreaming could have been destroyed if Barbatos was not stopped*](https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-c2e578f8248dba36fd7dd071d30f2a15-lq).
The Dreaming is realm of Dream of Endless where Gods born and all dreams and fiction of sentient begins exists.
[The Dreaming Realm](https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-302da12b44b3dae9f76aef1c5c3cf402-lq) [sails outside of space or time](https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-e84200db051babdb801dc326e63d2701-lq) , in [**nowhere and nothing outside of Destiny's Book, which hold all existence**](https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-665a81b4c4961a23330f5869199c0e12-lq).
[*The aspects of Dream exist in a notional place, neither real or unreal*](https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-d25b3aaa50f9dc226d4a7233767f0c3d-lq).
[*Barbatos would create worlds to torture the superheroes for eternity*](https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/vsbattles/images/9/94/KFAfsHe.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20191205051917) and those worlds are universes and [he have created countless universes for that](https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-0a9761946fc94e566af0c01a62e20b86-lq).
Each one is [endless and infinite](https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-e7019ac196d57a4ccb2ae41f65114184-lq).
I can gave more about Barbatos is solidly high outer, he chained Mandrakk is most powerful feat he do, the Dark Monitor.
Yeah I'm not saying angels win I'm saying the fight is just ridiculous and very close. For example beerus erased an entire universe from existence because it was messing up timelines and whis, his angel is stated as being stronger than beerus and could kill him if needed. Whis isn't the strongest angel. So there's angels stronger and more capable than the angel who is capable of killing the destroyer god that we watch erase a universe.
The entire battle becomes multiple entities from each side just erasing everything, rewinding time and re-erasing things, fabricating things, teleporting things over and over faster than the speed of light, until they literally just all drop dead from their brains melting at the ridiculousness/stupidity of the fight lol.
I can flip it on you and say you don’t know much about DC universe then. Hell, even WW, Dr Fate, Lantern, Shazam, and Flash all would walk out with the dub. I don’t think it’s remotely close.
But current Supes is at a pretty bonkers level right now
Flash is getting wrecked unless he's capable of living in space without air. The fight really comes down to a few of the top guys with everyone else like flash being largely irrelevant
Considering they're each stronger than their respective destroyer gods, all naturally mastered ultra instinct and has the grand priest I think green arrow n his green boots shorts gonna get slapped up faster he can say "I'm batman"
Ah yes. The beings that can destroy and rebuild the planet as they please vs.. fucking homeless guys with superhero costumes
https://preview.redd.it/h879jywam6ad1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=9060eb6e1493b8133a69339285fad57e1e7e73ca
I mean any speedster or green lantern can too... Also in some continuities its just anyone who is fast or has magic. Plus the angels can only go back five minutes and are super obvious when they are going to do it.
It's not and I'm new to comics and scaling in general, only a few months in lmao.
I get people say rebirth is composite so there can be confusion but come on lol
Yeah I will say just to clarify tho anything POST crisis is composite or canon besides the obvious like black label. Post crisis earth is earth 2 not prime earth anymore and subsequently if I remember correctly silver and golden age would apply to that as well I can post a map my bud made that further helps
https://preview.redd.it/wwdt06dpb8ad1.jpeg?width=452&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=15c998fb42c574947c503dd2dfdc48a3466ea41a
Edit: it’s not updated for infinite frontier or dawn of dc cause it was made before it but you get the jist also sorry for the quality
Definitely the angels since all of them can rewind time and may be able to move as fast as the flash or faster. If speed is based on power level. I can only imagine how fast each of them are. Whis isn't even the strongest among his siblings. They can travel across the universe in less than an hour. Going from Beerus's planet to Earth on 30 minutes. That's fast af.
*sighs*
One shotted barbatos while weakened greatly. Who killed the world forger. Who also created hypertime. It's even worse, Barbatos being punched alone is **high high feat**.
Barbatos is cosmic dark God who was created for consumers and destroy universes/multiverses.
His [job is destroy universes/multiverses](https://imgur.com/IcL6Iba) and have [destroy billions and countless universes](https://gyazo.com/f60b1a1343fb6ca3f83ce98a41aa4aa5).
[*His scream is the dark chord that shakes the strings of the multiverse*](https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/vsbattles/images/b/b3/Anti-Music1.jpg/revision/latest?cb=2019011905022).
[*which threatened the multiverse, break laws of physics*](https://imgur.com/a/u0izRLh) as well as the universal music that the Ultima Thule use to travel between realities
[**Had chained Mandrakk with some effort**](https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-d40c9b18f283314c665d7750cbcafa87-lq), you know Manddark who fought CAS!
[*Barbatos actions affected the Dreaming, starting by burning the Lucien's Library then the whole Dreaming could have been destroyed if Barbatos was not stopped*](https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-c2e578f8248dba36fd7dd071d30f2a15-lq).
The Dreaming is realm of Dream of Endless where Gods born and all dreams and fiction of sentient begins exists.
[The Dreaming Realm](https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-302da12b44b3dae9f76aef1c5c3cf402-lq) [sails outside of space or time](https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-e84200db051babdb801dc326e63d2701-lq) , in [**nowhere and nothing outside of Destiny's Book, which hold all existence**](https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-665a81b4c4961a23330f5869199c0e12-lq).
[*The aspects of Dream exist in a notional place, neither real or unreal*](https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-d25b3aaa50f9dc226d4a7233767f0c3d-lq).
[*Barbatos would create worlds to torture the superheroes for eternity*](https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/vsbattles/images/9/94/KFAfsHe.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20191205051917) and those worlds are universes and [he have created countless universes for that](https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-0a9761946fc94e566af0c01a62e20b86-lq).
Each one is [endless and infinite](https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-e7019ac196d57a4ccb2ae41f65114184-lq).
Barbatos is solidly high outer
Superman broke through hypertime https://imgur.com/a/PYLDARD
Hypertime is beyond the Omniverse, it's high Outerversal realm.
All DC stories and canon coexistence through the Hypertime [which why Morrison created the concept since the first place](https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-7d06b86739e0248e34d63b4279542d0f-lq)
[Grant morrison explanation for it](https://youtu.be/90bdtAElbRk).
[*Hypertime contains all published dc comics both canon and non canon*](https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-f968372dd6f62958b748a46f46b8289e-pjlq).
[All infinite realities, metaversea, multiverses, etc](https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-6a43ce391278127bf411243b5e12fdf2-lq) coexistence [in the Hypertime](https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-28b984affd7f19f93eb1b7bb7e194969-lq) and [Limbo exists in the Hypertime](https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-c9403124e6e816b47df9efe722502c1d-lq) and continues [all and everything](https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/quoradebating/images/5/5a/Hypertime2.png/revision/latest?cb=20210829072643) and [original in-comic depiction](https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/quoradebating/images/3/36/Hypertime1.png/revision/latest?cb=20210829072642).
the Omniverse itself is High Outerversal, meanwhile Hypertime is the half of the Divine continuum and outside of the Omniverse.
I knew this sub used to wank Dragon Ball but holy shit tf is this 😭💀
So you're telling me you're using DBS Versions of Angels & putting them against the likes of Comics Superman, Shazam, The Flash & Dr Fate?
Fuck are the Angels gonna do?
Sure Angels can rewind time via Hax & by FEATS only this Time Rewind is upto 3 minutes.
Base Shazam can Break the Barriers of Time & go back billions of Years into the Past upto the Big Bang via his Sheer Speed.
https://gyazo.com/2a5c12b7e59a1e93a692684293220c1f
Base Flash outran the Black Racer to the end of Time and the Universe until Death no longer existed on a Conceptual Level.
https://m.imgur.com/a/w6loP
And Don't get me started on Supes, who outran the Source itself, with the Source being the "ultimate concept" that contains life-death, good-evil, black-white & all dualities within it, it is all & beyond all, it is the featureless black canvas of the story itself.
https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/vsbattles/images/3/33/%E5%9B%BE%E5%83%8F_2023-12-12_204959954.png/revision/latest?cb=20231213045003
Not to mention that Concepts like Time is literally meangingless to Superman.
https://imgur.com/jUOnsRY
Talking about Strength, Supes alone one shot Imperiex-Prime, who contains the power of & can cause a Twelve & a third Dimensional Big Bang. (1-B, Hyperversal)
https://i.gyazo.com/909a3228144c83978de09739a2e85b78.png
Supes also causally one shotted Dominus, who created the Phantom Zone, The Phantom Zone is described as a Boundless Dimensionless Dimension between being and nothingness, and it resides within the Sphere of the Gods, described multiple times as a Platonic, archetypal world, Beyond & Transcendental to the Bleed, the Bleed said to contain an Infinite Number of Dimensions. (Bleed is High 1-B, Phantom Zone is 1-A Outerversal)
Bleed's Infinite Number of Dimensions
https://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/vsbattles/images/5/5f/Beyond_Time.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20161001232411
https://gyazo.com/7e627caaef2039c49533c13bc27d8e74
The Phantom Zone
https://gyazo.com/4a24547cca9315ca82d5d2fec2ef0773
God Sphere
https://www.dccomics.com/sites/default/files/Multiversity_Map_2400_53ee6b4c22d9a9.11031355.jpg
https://gyazo.com/0a726b897a74920991a9dc729ba2f43d
It is beyond the Bleed
https://gyazo.com/860c4769ed5cea5aa4c85d63520554ce
Dominus created his own Phantom Zone
https://gyazo.com/860c4769ed5cea5aa4c85d63520554ce
Superman ragdolls him
https://2.bp.blogspot.com/8QFO-1-xrQ9Z-crVci8IViTRt4rRHsxeUvKeEuf5qOv6aRtFcS6YPMdd5Fv5ID6cuzsLZ7v_N1rH=s0
And this is me just giving 1% of their Feats.
Any one member of the Justice League solos The Angels, No Concept Of Diff.
u/Key_1996 Bro see the comment section 💀💀💀
You were always right.It's legit hilarious how this sub is the Goku wank Hub.
Like Current Base Superman >>>> Xeno Goku, & people are delusional enough to put fodder DBS Characters against the entire Justice League 😭💀
Literally all of them. Flash would be punching empty space while the Angels autododge everything in thier sleep and that's not even an exaggeration. Green Lantern is even more cooked. Tf is he gonna do against a guy that can make souls alive in an instant, make a human give birth way before naturally possible, rewind time, dodge teleportation (Gogeta) and knock down someone as powerful as Beerus with a single chop?
Leave it to the DC fan to settle for "nuh uh" as the final retort. Yeah dude the beings who can move a staff and make a dead guy alive again will be erased by green superman but weaker in every way lmao. And no Flash ain't touching any of them when they can auto dodge teleportations.
we have no idea the full extent of the Angels powers, but they are at leas LMulti. u also need to specify which version of the HQ heroes because they can go from Wall to Extra
The League because they actually gave feats. This is even worse if you use strongest versions, cause then you have people like God of Death Flash, Crisis Energy Wonder Women, Darkest Knight, etc.
Angels mid diff. Only person on the JL that is really doing any damage and keeping up with the Angels speed is Superman depending on which one (typical comic book character bs). Grand Priest is more than enough tho.
If you think that Superman is the only one who can keep up with the angels speed then I must tell you that one of the other heros is know quite wel for being fast
Edit: the fast boy I have in mind is not in the pic
If the angels can bring people back to life like how whis did with frieza
What's stopping them from bringing themselves back to life should the justice league find a way to kill them ?
Even if we say each Angel is as strong as CC Goku, there are still more than half a dozen people in that picture alone (Superman, current Wonder Woman, the Flash, Hal, Martian Manhunter, Shazam, Doctor Fate, and Zatanna) that can solo them. The DC cosmology is so much larger and more layered than DB’s that the latter’s characters have no way of competing with the top tiers.
unfortunately as a DB fan i will tell you the angles arent shi💀 there is so many versions of DC hero that in some they are straight up beyond universal and got wierd hax. angles just got MUI and some creations powers
At their absolute best? The JLA wins. Golden Wonder Woman is stronger than Zeno by comparison of scale. At base, the JLA still probably win cuz the Angels are specifically ordered not to fight and only observe and only guide.
Depends on the versions. For example, current Superman is composite Superman damn near and would probably beat a large majority of the angels by himself, but there are some versions that wouldn’t be nearly as effective. I think it’s pretty common sense that dc wins, especially the front runners (MMH, Flash, WW, Shazam, Lantern, and Fate).
No clue how the others would fare, and depending on which Zatana, she could be massively fodder, or stronger than all of the angels combined, but 🤷♂️.
People in these comments who say the Angels win are being delusional. Who cares if they can rewind time and have mutilversal AP when Flash and Superman both scale to H1A-1S with irrelevant speed.
The Angles get speedblitzed and one shot before they could even register anything happening.
There's absolutely no evidence to suggest that MUI can counter irrelevant speed. Flash and Superman can also time travel/rewind time. Not to mention Flash's arch nemisis is someone who regularly messes with time.
Poorly written in what sense?
DB is mid at best in writing thorougout all it's mediums and there's numerous DC comic storylines/arcs with peak writing that shits on anything ever cooked up in DB.
Dr Fate definitely has a chance with Zatana and Flash supporting. Strength really doesn't mean too much here. It's going to be a technical battle and Dr Fate is the strongest on DC side as far as haxing goes.
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Angels can make women just instantly give birth. Thats OP they win.
exactly and you got people here think you can just punch them to death grand priest likely soloes by himself
Grand priest is an overkill
Damn we thought goku stans were tough but whoa flash Stans are a different breed of annoying 😂
Forget the fight who the fuck is that goofy ass mf in front of Whis 😭
One of his fat ass brothers.
Must suck being one of the most powerful beings in existence and somehow still fat.
I'm sure he's going to end up being the strongest angel.
Actually a lot of people say Kusu(the loil angel girl) since she is the oldest she is the strongest of the angels(beside her father)
Loil?
The God Ki is stored in the fat Hence why he must be one of the strongest angels in the family
The angel with the best universe
DB fans don't watch the damn show
U/hassennik when I don’t remember every single angel from every individual universe despite not having watched DBS anime in over a year: 😡
Relax, I'm a Dragon Ball fan that didn't watch the whole thing, I'm included in the bunch
Any time I use an emoji I’m joking 😭
So did you just joke about joking there or?
Whip cream
brother looks like his name is william 😭
Looks like james corden lmao
Light Blue skinned people vs random homeless people with superhero constumes (batman exeption)
No joke, I think you might be color blind. The dragon ball angels have blue skin
Nah they're obviously purple what're you talking about
Counter argument: Nah ah
Counter counter argument: Yuh uh
That's a good point man, can't argue with that
Bruv ive killed myself lmfao how did i even write purple xD the only thought that came to my mind was beerus which is why i wrote purple xD💀💀💀
Oh man do I have some news for you
I know the skin color right💀💀💀
They have blue skin
I know... i kinda killed myself with that one... reversed cooked xD... i for some odd reason wrote purple... probably cuz all i could think of was beerus at the time lmao
Beerus is yellow now???
Call bro the cooking genius cause he just cooked himself again😂
Tf is green arrow gonna do
He says "You have failed this city" becomes ARROW and solos
Arrowverse green arrow solos the angels
Arrowversal 🗣️🔥
There's a Staaaaaaaarmaaaan...
waiting in the sky
He'd like to come and meet us, but he thinks he'd blow our minds!
The angel should be allowed to fight and their full power grand priest maybe can apply his erasure technique to other we don't see grand priest fight they should win.
https://preview.redd.it/5v9obl0vv6ad1.jpeg?width=1200&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=763c87897031e27e0cd0a2ae405f1e19344cf9a4 Air bud wins
This might be bait for a massive argument
I can take Vados
Ha In a fight right?
https://preview.redd.it/grg6nd4em8ad1.jpeg?width=680&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=111d8d9a05d148d380c2de0fb0b00f0c4c74bb0c
IN A FIGHT RIGHT😨😰!???
https://i.redd.it/6m3lz8g4v8ad1.gif
There are Multiple Characters on the League that Win by themselves.
Who and how?
Multiverse stuff Everyone in there has a few tricks with that word
Every single angel is multiversal with time rewind abilities and matter creation Hell multiversal is the pre requisite for being a angel, just being multiversal isn’t a win con here
True But it's DC comics Their universos are way too big, with diferent dimensions and crazy Space stuff That's only talking about one, you can imagine the rest It's unfair
Cosmology doesn’t equate to character
In this case, it does lmao
Eh I don't think I'd say super has shown much of them being multiversal... Zeno is the only one shown to actually destroy universes. The only universal feat any other characters have is Beerus and Goku fighting nearly destroying the universe, but that is kinda retconned by the fact bigger fights (Broly, Moro, Granolah, Gas, and Cell Max) are happening with no real repercussions. At most its been localized rips in space like with the Broly fight which is hardly a universal feat in my book.
I mean supposedly Superman is complex multiversal and yet he can fight other characters of similar power on earth without earth getting destroyed.
The guy you commented above is either playing stupid or is stupid. Almost all fictional works that scale to even planetary heavily reduce the environmental damage the attacks do. To try and use that as an anti feat is idiotic. Nah, let’s just have any story that gets to that point take place solely in the vacuum of space because any time a character seriously fights every thing that doesn’t scale to universal plus in durability is evaporated.
They're not all multiverse level The only one's is Dr fate and Flash and maybe GL and Superman But Wonder Women is the strongest one by technically
Wonder Woman is NOT the strongest one
She killed an outerversal entity in a fist fight
Stop being so vague… and also basically every member of the JLA can do this
Nuh uh. Im silly brain :3
Martian Manhunter for one. He’s described as being a physical equal to Superman (who punched a multiversal creator and shattered their replacement multiverse) and survived being completely obliterated by the evil mother of all of creation. And his telepathic abilities are second to none as he can read any mind in the universe. Flash is another one and all of them can run faster than light, can travel through time and (if they really wanted to) undo the Big Bang. Wally West especially is in a whole other league of power and speed that can’t even be understood by literal gods.
Excluding Batman, green arrow and black canary, the two hawk mfs and the red tornado or whatever his name is, the rest of the characters highballed easily get to outer with irrelevant speed especially because they scale relative to Superman. They should all be able to neg-diff on their own. Batman can also win on his own with prep-time ofc
Anyone thinking DC dunks is wanking or doesn't know enough about the angels from DB. This is actually a VERY close fight.
It’s not, Superman solos Edit: they hated me cuz I was right https://preview.redd.it/fmadrqf0l6ad1.jpeg?width=1041&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=aefdf2b0d1971a3383b3fd8f3a0cc12b47b0bbd1
So again clearly just don't know anything about DB universe. Angels can rewind time, faster than light, and can create matter. Before he knew what was happening they would be able to create a kryptonite dome to encase him and then shrink the dome down until he literally couldn't even move. Now there's versions of Superman that aren't as vulnerable to kryptonite but the capabilities of the angels are without a doubt holding their own against him
https://preview.redd.it/o0mz07d336ad1.png?width=720&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=27985635e71522bb77383865e7e1dcc0c84561b8 Is that supposed to be impressive? Superman can time travel too. The angels aren't doing shit lmao. [kryptonite??? it's not gonna do anything ](https://imgur.com/a/OxR7uv4) One shotted barbatos while weakened greatly. Who killed the world forger. Who also created hypertime. It's even worse, Barbatos being punched alone is **high high feat**. Barbatos is cosmic dark God who was created for consumers and destroy universes/multiverses. His [job is destroy universes/multiverses](https://imgur.com/IcL6Iba) and have [destroy billions and countless universes](https://gyazo.com/f60b1a1343fb6ca3f83ce98a41aa4aa5). [*His scream is the dark chord that shakes the strings of the multiverse*](https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/vsbattles/images/b/b3/Anti-Music1.jpg/revision/latest?cb=2019011905022). [*which threatened the multiverse, break laws of physics*](https://imgur.com/a/u0izRLh) as well as the universal music that the Ultima Thule use to travel between realities [**Had chained Mandrakk with some effort**](https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-d40c9b18f283314c665d7750cbcafa87-lq), you know Manddark who fought CAS! [*Barbatos actions affected the Dreaming, starting by burning the Lucien's Library then the whole Dreaming could have been destroyed if Barbatos was not stopped*](https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-c2e578f8248dba36fd7dd071d30f2a15-lq). The Dreaming is realm of Dream of Endless where Gods born and all dreams and fiction of sentient begins exists. [The Dreaming Realm](https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-302da12b44b3dae9f76aef1c5c3cf402-lq) [sails outside of space or time](https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-e84200db051babdb801dc326e63d2701-lq) , in [**nowhere and nothing outside of Destiny's Book, which hold all existence**](https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-665a81b4c4961a23330f5869199c0e12-lq). [*The aspects of Dream exist in a notional place, neither real or unreal*](https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-d25b3aaa50f9dc226d4a7233767f0c3d-lq). [*Barbatos would create worlds to torture the superheroes for eternity*](https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/vsbattles/images/9/94/KFAfsHe.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20191205051917) and those worlds are universes and [he have created countless universes for that](https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-0a9761946fc94e566af0c01a62e20b86-lq). Each one is [endless and infinite](https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-e7019ac196d57a4ccb2ae41f65114184-lq). I can gave more about Barbatos is solidly high outer, he chained Mandrakk is most powerful feat he do, the Dark Monitor.
Yeah I'm not saying angels win I'm saying the fight is just ridiculous and very close. For example beerus erased an entire universe from existence because it was messing up timelines and whis, his angel is stated as being stronger than beerus and could kill him if needed. Whis isn't the strongest angel. So there's angels stronger and more capable than the angel who is capable of killing the destroyer god that we watch erase a universe. The entire battle becomes multiple entities from each side just erasing everything, rewinding time and re-erasing things, fabricating things, teleporting things over and over faster than the speed of light, until they literally just all drop dead from their brains melting at the ridiculousness/stupidity of the fight lol.
Beerus NEVER erased an entire universe, you’re literally lying
Oh you're right I misremembered, zeno erased it not beerus
I can flip it on you and say you don’t know much about DC universe then. Hell, even WW, Dr Fate, Lantern, Shazam, and Flash all would walk out with the dub. I don’t think it’s remotely close. But current Supes is at a pretty bonkers level right now
Flash is getting wrecked unless he's capable of living in space without air. The fight really comes down to a few of the top guys with everyone else like flash being largely irrelevant
Speed Force is a helluva drug.
Considering they're each stronger than their respective destroyer gods, all naturally mastered ultra instinct and has the grand priest I think green arrow n his green boots shorts gonna get slapped up faster he can say "I'm batman"
Ah yes. The beings that can destroy and rebuild the planet as they please vs.. fucking homeless guys with superhero costumes https://preview.redd.it/h879jywam6ad1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=9060eb6e1493b8133a69339285fad57e1e7e73ca
Angels blow up the earth and take out everyone but Superman and Martian Manhunter. Angels the kill them in space
[all the angels can do this](https://youtu.be/J_e7btKE1mQ?si=INUOaUzXXUASlvhw)
That's impressive but can they do 100 sit-ups, 100 pushups, 100 squats, and a 6.2-mile (10-km) run every day?
Probably
Oh wow then they must be really strong
Not that impressive
I mean any speedster or green lantern can too... Also in some continuities its just anyone who is fast or has magic. Plus the angels can only go back five minutes and are super obvious when they are going to do it.
Goku solos as usual
Feat? Feat
FEET 
Feat?
People are delusional if they they think the justice league could take on the whole angel roster 💀. Each is leagues above goku.
The angels blink
Angels for the win
JL at least has feats
Superman one taps all of them
Kept hearing from DC fans that Superman was officially composited, now he's outer-high outer in base at a low ball.
Rebirth is a composite from post crisis & N52 but any other versions would not apply.
Current isn't rebirth, infinite frontier is. Which is a composite of rebirth, pre crisis, golden and silver age
Nice to see a person on here who knows his comic continuity timelines mfs be so confused when it’s not that complicated💀
It's not and I'm new to comics and scaling in general, only a few months in lmao. I get people say rebirth is composite so there can be confusion but come on lol
Yeah I will say just to clarify tho anything POST crisis is composite or canon besides the obvious like black label. Post crisis earth is earth 2 not prime earth anymore and subsequently if I remember correctly silver and golden age would apply to that as well I can post a map my bud made that further helps https://preview.redd.it/wwdt06dpb8ad1.jpeg?width=452&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=15c998fb42c574947c503dd2dfdc48a3466ea41a Edit: it’s not updated for infinite frontier or dawn of dc cause it was made before it but you get the jist also sorry for the quality
Definitely the angels since all of them can rewind time and may be able to move as fast as the flash or faster. If speed is based on power level. I can only imagine how fast each of them are. Whis isn't even the strongest among his siblings. They can travel across the universe in less than an hour. Going from Beerus's planet to Earth on 30 minutes. That's fast af.
https://preview.redd.it/yqfj246rg6ad1.png?width=640&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=1cb2052dfb525e1ecd055a5b32aa36200f2d9559
goku solos 🥱🥱
Every Angel would slam the Justice League imo.
https://preview.redd.it/0o7begcyr4ad1.jpeg?width=736&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=66675928d5b29c3e96c5d8f092ed44001677490e
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half the justice league solo the verse.
How they normally operate they would assemble the whole league for one angel let alone all of them
well yeah, its better to overkill rather than underkill if that much is at stake also im using their upper scaling, not random depictions of them.
Whis negs em by himself
Feat?
Angels cannot be killed unless they are erased. These niggas aren't erasing them.
Angels neg diff No Pseudoscience necessary.
Feat?
Feat? Lmao im an Angel.
And how does being angle mean they win?
Angels blink and it's over
justice league extreme high diff
Low
grand priest should be enough by himself
Feat?
Team dc, low diff.
I'M MATING PRESSING VADOS
Angels and it's not close.
Justice league mid to high. Too many broken characters who can negate the angles hacks
Can you give an example?
HIM https://preview.redd.it/6jdi5k4ns4ad1.jpeg?width=1280&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=90d703f7d2f396e3ed5b8a069f329d13cf758a32
ahh yes... Starman
flash almost broke the dc multiverse by running. dc's universe alone is like 1 billion times bigger than db's, imagine multiverses
*sighs* One shotted barbatos while weakened greatly. Who killed the world forger. Who also created hypertime. It's even worse, Barbatos being punched alone is **high high feat**. Barbatos is cosmic dark God who was created for consumers and destroy universes/multiverses. His [job is destroy universes/multiverses](https://imgur.com/IcL6Iba) and have [destroy billions and countless universes](https://gyazo.com/f60b1a1343fb6ca3f83ce98a41aa4aa5). [*His scream is the dark chord that shakes the strings of the multiverse*](https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/vsbattles/images/b/b3/Anti-Music1.jpg/revision/latest?cb=2019011905022). [*which threatened the multiverse, break laws of physics*](https://imgur.com/a/u0izRLh) as well as the universal music that the Ultima Thule use to travel between realities [**Had chained Mandrakk with some effort**](https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-d40c9b18f283314c665d7750cbcafa87-lq), you know Manddark who fought CAS! [*Barbatos actions affected the Dreaming, starting by burning the Lucien's Library then the whole Dreaming could have been destroyed if Barbatos was not stopped*](https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-c2e578f8248dba36fd7dd071d30f2a15-lq). The Dreaming is realm of Dream of Endless where Gods born and all dreams and fiction of sentient begins exists. [The Dreaming Realm](https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-302da12b44b3dae9f76aef1c5c3cf402-lq) [sails outside of space or time](https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-e84200db051babdb801dc326e63d2701-lq) , in [**nowhere and nothing outside of Destiny's Book, which hold all existence**](https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-665a81b4c4961a23330f5869199c0e12-lq). [*The aspects of Dream exist in a notional place, neither real or unreal*](https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-d25b3aaa50f9dc226d4a7233767f0c3d-lq). [*Barbatos would create worlds to torture the superheroes for eternity*](https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/vsbattles/images/9/94/KFAfsHe.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20191205051917) and those worlds are universes and [he have created countless universes for that](https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-0a9761946fc94e566af0c01a62e20b86-lq). Each one is [endless and infinite](https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-e7019ac196d57a4ccb2ae41f65114184-lq). Barbatos is solidly high outer Superman broke through hypertime https://imgur.com/a/PYLDARD Hypertime is beyond the Omniverse, it's high Outerversal realm. All DC stories and canon coexistence through the Hypertime [which why Morrison created the concept since the first place](https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-7d06b86739e0248e34d63b4279542d0f-lq) [Grant morrison explanation for it](https://youtu.be/90bdtAElbRk). [*Hypertime contains all published dc comics both canon and non canon*](https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-f968372dd6f62958b748a46f46b8289e-pjlq). [All infinite realities, metaversea, multiverses, etc](https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-6a43ce391278127bf411243b5e12fdf2-lq) coexistence [in the Hypertime](https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-28b984affd7f19f93eb1b7bb7e194969-lq) and [Limbo exists in the Hypertime](https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-c9403124e6e816b47df9efe722502c1d-lq) and continues [all and everything](https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/quoradebating/images/5/5a/Hypertime2.png/revision/latest?cb=20210829072643) and [original in-comic depiction](https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/quoradebating/images/3/36/Hypertime1.png/revision/latest?cb=20210829072642). the Omniverse itself is High Outerversal, meanwhile Hypertime is the half of the Divine continuum and outside of the Omniverse.
This sub is a DB circlejerk
Like how am I getting down votes lmao, they don't stand a chance against superman. Nevermind the whole league lmao
I thought the Goku Solos meme were funny but when i realized they are actually serious its kinda cringe now
I knew this sub used to wank Dragon Ball but holy shit tf is this 😭💀 So you're telling me you're using DBS Versions of Angels & putting them against the likes of Comics Superman, Shazam, The Flash & Dr Fate? Fuck are the Angels gonna do? Sure Angels can rewind time via Hax & by FEATS only this Time Rewind is upto 3 minutes. Base Shazam can Break the Barriers of Time & go back billions of Years into the Past upto the Big Bang via his Sheer Speed. https://gyazo.com/2a5c12b7e59a1e93a692684293220c1f Base Flash outran the Black Racer to the end of Time and the Universe until Death no longer existed on a Conceptual Level. https://m.imgur.com/a/w6loP And Don't get me started on Supes, who outran the Source itself, with the Source being the "ultimate concept" that contains life-death, good-evil, black-white & all dualities within it, it is all & beyond all, it is the featureless black canvas of the story itself. https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/vsbattles/images/3/33/%E5%9B%BE%E5%83%8F_2023-12-12_204959954.png/revision/latest?cb=20231213045003 Not to mention that Concepts like Time is literally meangingless to Superman. https://imgur.com/jUOnsRY Talking about Strength, Supes alone one shot Imperiex-Prime, who contains the power of & can cause a Twelve & a third Dimensional Big Bang. (1-B, Hyperversal) https://i.gyazo.com/909a3228144c83978de09739a2e85b78.png Supes also causally one shotted Dominus, who created the Phantom Zone, The Phantom Zone is described as a Boundless Dimensionless Dimension between being and nothingness, and it resides within the Sphere of the Gods, described multiple times as a Platonic, archetypal world, Beyond & Transcendental to the Bleed, the Bleed said to contain an Infinite Number of Dimensions. (Bleed is High 1-B, Phantom Zone is 1-A Outerversal) Bleed's Infinite Number of Dimensions https://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/vsbattles/images/5/5f/Beyond_Time.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20161001232411 https://gyazo.com/7e627caaef2039c49533c13bc27d8e74 The Phantom Zone https://gyazo.com/4a24547cca9315ca82d5d2fec2ef0773 God Sphere https://www.dccomics.com/sites/default/files/Multiversity_Map_2400_53ee6b4c22d9a9.11031355.jpg https://gyazo.com/0a726b897a74920991a9dc729ba2f43d It is beyond the Bleed https://gyazo.com/860c4769ed5cea5aa4c85d63520554ce Dominus created his own Phantom Zone https://gyazo.com/860c4769ed5cea5aa4c85d63520554ce Superman ragdolls him https://2.bp.blogspot.com/8QFO-1-xrQ9Z-crVci8IViTRt4rRHsxeUvKeEuf5qOv6aRtFcS6YPMdd5Fv5ID6cuzsLZ7v_N1rH=s0 And this is me just giving 1% of their Feats. Any one member of the Justice League solos The Angels, No Concept Of Diff.
u/Key_1996 Bro see the comment section 💀💀💀 You were always right.It's legit hilarious how this sub is the Goku wank Hub. Like Current Base Superman >>>> Xeno Goku, & people are delusional enough to put fodder DBS Characters against the entire Justice League 😭💀
Angels bro, anyone who thinks the justice league wins is delusion
The Flash alone dogwalks + solos the verse
https://preview.redd.it/wzu8oqqpw4ad1.jpeg?width=650&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=df8f531dd964544d0a0ddc0cda9a44e50199ca75 The angels SLAM
Feat?
To many, watch dragon ball
None that’s above complex multiversal
 Fe at
Whis alone tears these goofy costume wearing idiots limb from limb. All the Angel's tiger is one of the biggest murderstomps imaginable.
Feat?
Feat?
Name how any of them would get pass the flash and green lantern
Literally all of them. Flash would be punching empty space while the Angels autododge everything in thier sleep and that's not even an exaggeration. Green Lantern is even more cooked. Tf is he gonna do against a guy that can make souls alive in an instant, make a human give birth way before naturally possible, rewind time, dodge teleportation (Gogeta) and knock down someone as powerful as Beerus with a single chop?
None of them are as fast as the flash GL can just use the white lantern to erase them
Leave it to the DC fan to settle for "nuh uh" as the final retort. Yeah dude the beings who can move a staff and make a dead guy alive again will be erased by green superman but weaker in every way lmao. And no Flash ain't touching any of them when they can auto dodge teleportations.
we have no idea the full extent of the Angels powers, but they are at leas LMulti. u also need to specify which version of the HQ heroes because they can go from Wall to Extra
which version
The only people I see actually having an edge is superman, Dr fate and Zatanna. other then that they dead
Whis effortlessly dodges instant transmission in the broly movie. He was able to easily dodge an instantaneous "attack"
The League because they actually gave feats. This is even worse if you use strongest versions, cause then you have people like God of Death Flash, Crisis Energy Wonder Women, Darkest Knight, etc.
Superman solos, Wonder Woman solos, Flash solos. Shazam and Fate idk that much about, but they’d probably solo as well
Fate solos the verse
Angels mid diff. Only person on the JL that is really doing any damage and keeping up with the Angels speed is Superman depending on which one (typical comic book character bs). Grand Priest is more than enough tho.
If you think that Superman is the only one who can keep up with the angels speed then I must tell you that one of the other heros is know quite wel for being fast Edit: the fast boy I have in mind is not in the pic
There are many that massively outscale
If the angels can bring people back to life like how whis did with frieza What's stopping them from bringing themselves back to life should the justice league find a way to kill them ?
Supes solos
Even if we say each Angel is as strong as CC Goku, there are still more than half a dozen people in that picture alone (Superman, current Wonder Woman, the Flash, Hal, Martian Manhunter, Shazam, Doctor Fate, and Zatanna) that can solo them. The DC cosmology is so much larger and more layered than DB’s that the latter’s characters have no way of competing with the top tiers.
https://preview.redd.it/qv4uopugd8ad1.jpeg?width=1474&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ce2a7d01ed0c10681c053377dcb71b538a6c98cd JL Slams
unfortunately as a DB fan i will tell you the angles arent shi💀 there is so many versions of DC hero that in some they are straight up beyond universal and got wierd hax. angles just got MUI and some creations powers
Justice league wins no concept of diff
JL clears easily
Superman alone wins because I believe he can
Broo why do you even asked 💀💀💀☠️☠️💀 (The angels, only the weakest of them can destroy them easly!)
With or without prep time?
We don’t know enough about the Angel’s to say
Wonder woman ,flash,green lantern,superman is enough by themselves and as a team? Its overkill of the highest order
https://preview.redd.it/pi52s8dnx9ad1.jpeg?width=750&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=af091a64641a7d843d18c4563702a99e38511ab9
Idk why, but I would think that the power scaling subreddit would *know* about power scaling. Just Superman is needed.
Angel's win
At their absolute best? The JLA wins. Golden Wonder Woman is stronger than Zeno by comparison of scale. At base, the JLA still probably win cuz the Angels are specifically ordered not to fight and only observe and only guide.
Depends on the versions. For example, current Superman is composite Superman damn near and would probably beat a large majority of the angels by himself, but there are some versions that wouldn’t be nearly as effective. I think it’s pretty common sense that dc wins, especially the front runners (MMH, Flash, WW, Shazam, Lantern, and Fate). No clue how the others would fare, and depending on which Zatana, she could be massively fodder, or stronger than all of the angels combined, but 🤷♂️.
The Justice League smokes the angels. Cry about it. Dr. Fate and zantana on the same team that's bad for the other team
angels neg
People in these comments who say the Angels win are being delusional. Who cares if they can rewind time and have mutilversal AP when Flash and Superman both scale to H1A-1S with irrelevant speed. The Angles get speedblitzed and one shot before they could even register anything happening.
MUI + auto time rewind = no speedblitz
There's absolutely no evidence to suggest that MUI can counter irrelevant speed. Flash and Superman can also time travel/rewind time. Not to mention Flash's arch nemisis is someone who regularly messes with time.
DB fans are for sure more cringe than SCP.
Batman alone would solo
DBZ characters can't do shit against magic, fate easily takes down a couple of them
He doesn't even need to, he can just absorb them into his Helmet and they get erased by the lord of order.
This sub really love to wank dragon Ball high 🥴🥴🥴🥴.
Dr. Fate folds everyone, and the others are overkill.
I don't believe Angels have enough feats. DC is just poorly written and has 5 year old's spamming infinte feats.
Poorly written in what sense? DB is mid at best in writing thorougout all it's mediums and there's numerous DC comic storylines/arcs with peak writing that shits on anything ever cooked up in DB.
Depends on the iteration of the League, but most versions of them have a Flash & Superman that can win on their own.
Dr Fate definitely has a chance with Zatana and Flash supporting. Strength really doesn't mean too much here. It's going to be a technical battle and Dr Fate is the strongest on DC side as far as haxing goes.
Dr. Fate diff
Why are angels suddenly being wanked
Batman solos dragon ball
I bet you are serious
I bet you never heard of sarcasm
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