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kwagenknight

[Here is the drone view of this fight](https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineConflict/comments/195hocl/ukrainian_m2a2_bradley_facing_off_against_a/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3) of the M2A2 Bradley hitting the T-90M in Stepove (8+min video) Here is a better video and [2nd angle showing more of the fight](https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineConflict/comments/199gz53/another_angle_of_the_m2a2_bradley_tearing_up_the/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3)


Villhunter

They didn't use apfsds, they used HE tracers which is even more embarrassing


BillMcN3al

Don't show this


Asstronutttt

Uhh why not? You can literally find patents online. This isn't confidential and is a relatively basic style of projectile. It's not black magic, just very hard and dense metal in a sabot moving very quickly. Russia, China, North Korea, and all of our "enemies" use very similar ammunition that does the same thing. If they were showing how the targeting system works on a Bradley, yeah that probably wouldn't be so good. This is harmless (the video, not the murder pencil)


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I'm using murder pencil from now on in conversation.


Villhunter

Why not lol. It's a steel rod with a sabot. Hardly bleeding edge tech


Connect-Ad9647

Two months late and not to be pedantic but I believe those are made of tungsten so as to better penetrate the steel armors. Little mini "rods from god," if you will. Although instead of being dropped from satellites in space, they are fired from a ground based cannon. So "rods from man," perhaps would be a better nomenclature which sounds much less cool lol


HansBrickface

Very interesting, but it was HE rounds that disabled the T-90.


kwagenknight

In the longer video you can see them both theres also a video of the Bradley unit talking about this engagement


HansBrickface

Oh okay, I’m just going off someone else’s comments on that video. If they were right, the Bradley crew tried AP rounds but switched to HE and that’s when the tank kill happened.


ExdigguserPies

I read they switched to HE because AP ran out.


ithappenedone234

In an interview with one of crewman he said the feed mechanism for the AP malfunctioned so they switched to HE.


Justeff83

The brakes gunner gave an interview and he said that the AP rounds jammed, that's why they switched to HE round and they were literally blinding the T 90 by destroying their optics


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Reminder: Bushmaster is dual feed.


HansBrickface

Yeah, I’m only relating what I heard second hand, but the Bradley crew either went through all their AP or decided it wasn’t working and switched to HE. That’s the part of the video that most people saw, where their optics etc were getting destroyed before the tank finally crashed.


Max_Oblivion23

Depleted uranium sabot ignites fire when it touches air or water, it kinda looks like HE rounds.


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Dont know much about rounds but that looks scary.


blkpingu

It’s a sabot round. Basically a non-explosive, armor piercing kinetic penetrator.


RemnantsEcho

That sounds sick


blkpingu

Sub caliber munitions are fun. They are sub caliber, because they are made of dense metal, like tungsten, and heavy as fuck. But light enough so that they can get faster with the same amount of propellant compared to a full caliber round. They are stabilized by these plastic things, called sabots. They shed off when exiting the barrel, giving spin and stability to the round. Darts are faster than full caliber munitions by at least a factor of x1.3 and made to defeat armor. They come for tanks, and chain guns like for the Bradley.


sisiliskosihisihissi

How much can one of these penatrate steel plate?


blkpingu

Depends on the RHA value of the plate. Modern ammo for the newest version of the L55 are able to use darts that can pen over 800mm


sisiliskosihisihissi

Shit! That was ALOT more than Id imagine. I thinked like Max 100-200mm.. :O Wow!


FunnyPain01

That is for the large calibre cannons of Leo 2, Abrams etc Supposedly Russia's new Vacuum 1 has like 1000mm One of the other things with modern APFSDS rounds of Abrams and Chally 2 for example is they can be made of Depleted Uranium, which when penetrates armour of the target sharpens itself and also causes an incindiary effect, causing very high temperatures inside said vehicle. These smaller ones of the 25mm-30mm cannons on Bradley's and other such vehicles can be like ~100-120mm of rha penetration at close range Not enough to go through front armour of the heaviest of vehicles But enough to take out lighter vehicles frontally Though these can disable or kill mbts from the rear and sides if accurate


sisiliskosihisihissi

Sick rounds tbh. Very fasinating


FunnyPain01

They very much are, and are like basically developed from the APDS rounds from WW2 era. Usually countries use them made out of Tungsten Carbide as it isn't radioactive like Proven to be effective against heavy German armour being used by guns like the 6pdr anti tank gun. One of the APDS of this gun went through front of a Jagdpanther.


Adihd72

Basically a posh pencil!?🤯


Immediate-Grade-8846

25mm sabot round.....sexy as fuck and so cool being used on a T90


ContentSecretary8416

Fucking hectic watching it hit. So much cheaper than tank rounds too.


ithappenedone234

Remember when people said the main gun was worthless on a tank? It’s far from ideal and I’ll always prefer a TOW shot to the M242 (and a Jav shot to everything currently available), but I always said the 242 can kill a tank (mobility, optics, fun or otherwise) you just have to have the guts to sit there and bang it out with the tank. And for the tank crew to be so incompetent they don’t fire their cannon accurately.


Immediate-Grade-8846

Definitely 


Only_Razzmatazz_4498

Somehow I expect the sabot to fall of with much less force. Almost like it just falls of sitting there once out of the brass. That was surprisingly tough to take apart.


Tobi18x

Those look nasty, wouldn't want them raining down on me. Glad they're on the Ukrainian side


Ohbertpogi

I now have an idea to print a 1:1 for my 3D printer.


vilius_m_lt

Oh, now I know why it’s called a chaingun


Drunk_on_Swagger

🤤 Playing darts with M2A2


AccurateAnybody2995

Used to clean that bolt and chain regularly 😏🇺🇦🇺🇸🇮🇱🇪🇺 first gulf war 🥃 Slava Ukraine


Striking_Stable_235

Thank you for your service and Slava Ukraine 🇺🇦🇨🇦🇱🇷


ordobellatores

That's a lot of packaging


sm1ng

It's essential to how a sabot round works of course. Without the jacket to snugly fill the barrel (the barrel's internal cross-section/diameter that is) and to thus harness all the directed explosive energy of the charge, the dart would likely just plop out the barrel and land a pitiful distance away. And/or ruin the barrel.


romionu

Wow! Its such in a good condition after it disabled a tank? Damn. Did they look around a lot for it?


sm1ng

Ho ho!


BornToSweet_Delight

Tungsten? Or DU?


Max_Oblivion23

It's an aluminum sabot with a DU penetrator.


Mysterious_Variety76

Thank you for showing the Tech behind it so Rissians can do something about it!...why do we need to show off all the time, c'mon people!


Ichthius

You know they have them in their own hands from the battlefield right?


ribbitreddit100

Why is this guy wearing gloves?? It’s not DU so if it’s tungsten is that a health issue?


Max_Oblivion23

Those have DU penetrators but it doesn't matter you should still wear gloves when handling explosives.


dsmerritt

Tungsten is a poisonous heavy metal. Depleted uranium is arguably, and surprisingly, not as dangerous as tungsten as a material. Really. Conventional mythology not withstanding. And yes, gloves are a good idea with any toxic heavy metals.


Max_Oblivion23

It's better to think ''Good thing I was wearing gloves'' than ''Oh shit I should have put gloves on''


escyeph

Talk about lethal darts, Christ!


Jaytee303

Tip made of used uranium?


Tommy_613

Now I see why they call it a chain gun


Reegz63

Looks like a mini sabo round


InstanceDry3128

We still fight with arrows they just look a little different lol


Electronic-Shoe7864

It just disabled all the sensors, optics they were essentially blind at that point, 25mm tungsten rounds unfortunately won’t punch through the front of a t90 the big puff of smoke was either the crew detonating their smoke screen or one of the rounds causing it to explode.


Referer99

Do you guys know if the barrel for that type of ammunition is a smooth bore or rifled? I ask because the projectile has fins, a bit like the ammunition of tanks like the 120 / 125 mm which is smoothbore


[deleted]

Worlds deadliest game of darts


EndFinal8647

That's the round I had no idea was so advanced.


Spankknight

I call it: the ex wife


meistercheems

The round your gf told you not to worry about


CameronsParadise

Ribbed, for her pleasure.


cashredd

What's the tip made out of?


Informal-Spend-7670

The fudge? It’s just a Home Depot gutter screw?


Free_Fee

I’d think even if it can’t penetrate the armor of the tank, I sure can damage the optics right?


Fair-Doughnut6933

E uranio impoverito


SFB2022

Awesome show the whole world a military secret by disassembling in and post it. Way to go. Dmf


SFB2022

High velocity rounds


Tanckers

*nom


CDsDontBurn

They're ribbed for their "pleasure" 😉.