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azurewillz

[New actually weekly thread](https://www.reddit.com/r/VirtualYoutubers/comments/1cnrk5c/ninja_narcotics_nightmare_weeklyish_discussion/)


luorela

[Shishiron MHW](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VAA_ANJbB6w). First time playing. [Haato](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hg75ss2ZK28)/[Anya](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pV4n9wRcvUw)/[Zeta](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U71x_y51Djg)/[Ririka](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vmVP6BJe-u0) has all the warning of contents.


Strong_Beat_holo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BhosmMOfcDU Nerrisa unarchived karaoke later today. 


iamwooshed

[Ashumi is playing Apex right now](https://www.youtube.com/live/vKkxh5P2m0k?si=M8pkot0tFLNMKZKD)


DreadPirateFishTaco

[one must imagine jurard happy](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BBHNtEKZjb0) man somehow went on a whole bit about dick sucking and hakka in chat with the fucken perfect alley oop "cool thing about jurard is that his jaw unhinges, just saying" anyway dicksucking aside awww shikamane is the best for helping him all throughout the bladderstone saga and props to hakka for noticing it wasn't appendicitis ^(meanwhile axel and bettel being the classic webmd doctors)


75Centz

[Ghost x Ghost Hakka Collab shirts are restocked!](https://twitter.com/banzoinhakka/status/1788450116753674589?t=8Sek7OJ5qxgFBJbR2oDyTA&s=19)


luorela

Hiyori Lara singing stream https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZCqPaF8lWyg


Qwaztop

[Doki and Hiiro Chinese stream](https://www.youtube.com/live/WSIk50tlU9k?si=touxl3wMZXwpptB9) (initial yap in english cannot be stopped)


NatiBlaze

Move over rappers, it's time for the yappers to take center stage


Hausenfeifer

For some reason whenever Randon is live, his stream lags like crazy for me. However, it's ONLY his stream. Earlier today when he was live Kiara was as well, and I could watch her stream just fine, but the minute I switched over to Randon it kept spazzing out every 5 seconds and skipping like crazy. This happened the last time I wanted to watch him as well - what gives? Anyone know why that's happening to me?


Dvalinn25

It's the reverse for me. Randon works fine, but Kiara's streams often spazz out like crazy if I have the chat open recently. And it's the same with other members.


azurewillz

This started happening to me a couple months back, but only on PC using Firefox, and only for Randon. I just switch browsers now to watch him because nothing else I tried seemed to work.


BighatNucase

Try switching browsers.


Lightseeker2

Have you try viewing on the mobile YT app? When this issue happened to me on desktop, switching to mobile kinda fix the issue for me. What would happen is that your stream will lag behind the actual stream by a few more seconds, but there will be less stuttering.


dcresistance

Having chat open has been lagging some streams real bad, doesn't happen to every single one tho. Might be that?


blueaura14

you might try switching regions with a half-decent VPN and seeing if it's some sort of CDN issue.


KyoTheLorebreaker

I'm thinking it might at least be partially something on youtube's end. The connection was much more stable when I started watching his Subnautic streams on Twitch. Could experiment more and hop between each service next time he goes live.


Mattriel_Alter

No idea! I get the same thing with Bae and Beni's streams, and only those ones, everyone else is fine


Adza_03

Same with me for Beni. Quite odd that none of the vspo girls or any JP vtubers I watch lags so bad as Beni. I'm guessing its the OBS setting that different?


aMinerInconvenience

I suspect it's some kind of low latency streaming setting. If I don't turn that off on twitch the stream becomes very low quality, if only youtube allows me to turn it off.


bnbros

[The next HoloEN 3D Repeat episode features DrunkRyS](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TnKbXFWPPXM)


Mattriel_Alter

OMG yes!


iamwooshed

[HanaLisa](https://www.youtube.com/live/-AqDTw3TFZg?si=NjUfLFqaNP_clGda), [Ramuchi](https://www.twitch.tv/ramuneshiranami), [Uouo](https://www.youtube.com/live/k84ifePgbbA?si=htZuCZb1WiUudtZk), [Vdk](https://www.twitch.tv/vodkavdk) and Amatsuki Valorant right now!


bnbros

[An excerpt from Calli's guest appearance on NHK Radio with Suisei](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hTVaPEXDRfQ)


MerissJoeo

And the Idol advertising machine kicks into high gear, three vtuber related videos with her channel trailer on them. Funnily enough, I'm pre subbed to her. Probably her past life or (original life?) I don't care. New cute vtuber!


Clover_Zero

I forgot to say it here when it started and I was taken hostage by the stream for hours. Anyway. After days of no stream, Kishido Temma is finally back with [Buckshot Roulette](https://www.youtube.com/live/E87Mq6VuhWw?si=YDwJBCrbci25WMpM)!! Another Holostars member recommended it to him, saying that he'll like it...and indeed he does! It's peak Kishido Temma experience. He's so competitive and wants to become number 1 in Holostars (even wants to do PvP if possible lol). When he checked friends scores/rankings, turns out Aruran is 2nd (around 300K) and Astel is 1st (710K), so he got fired up to beat Astel and take first place. He failed so far and rage quit, ending the stream with a scream of agony (that funnily enough got looped a few times for me, Android YouTube weirdness probably). 😂 Anyway, I'm finally free...gonna go to sleep now.


Phantom_Floof

[Shiori movie talk](https://youtube.com/watch?v=YNAoNL1r74M). No Rissa today since she’s tired


Kreceir

[Shiori's zatsudan stream!](https://youtu.be/YNAoNL1r74M) Movie talk! She escaped from Nerissa's claws and gonna be talking about Fnaf, The Nun 2 and A haunting in Venice. And knowing Shiori shes probably gonna talk anything else other then the movies cause she got into the tangent lol. Talking about Nerissa, this is her schedule lmao. https://preview.redd.it/l77dmdw76bzc1.jpeg?width=4096&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a913e72dc2319b35f2fd085e97dd5f31026ff85f


gosukhaos

Haven't watched Nun 2 yet but boy was FNAF a let down. Can excuse bad acting and a bad script but it wasn't even really scary or had particularly memorable jump scares


Kreceir

https://preview.redd.it/pohp38ot7bzc1.png?width=1920&format=png&auto=webp&s=2318c1cbf463975cd7cfe39f5be8e0ec12dca934 Incase you guys forgot.


Mattriel_Alter

[IRyS Buckshot Roulette soon](https://www.youtube.com/live/RkKY5l-oudo?si=KyGYHXjge1V-Au9U)


bnbros

[Gibby will be entering the garden of bunnies too](https://twitter.com/goldbullet_en/status/1788353002501267959?t=gHVilXhXjdNPqKmjwNNKeQ&s=19) The last two sentences though...


Random-Rambling

[Ame's bringing back her gun! BUCKSHOT ROULETTE!](https://www.youtube.com/live/y3QpnBzetJ4?si=Ct4XObohUkNudh__)


luorela

Rofl the Ame way to end the stream, man I missed her so much. (She back to superchat reading)


HaLire

ame is just winning like 70% of her 50/50s lol


luorela

That was an impressive auto-win AI.


px1099

Ame wins by doing absolutely nothing at the end of that round The AI literally shot himself 5 times in a row: * Dealer cuff Ame * Dealer use magnifying glass - see blank * Dealer shot himself - blank * Dealer shot himself - blank * Dealer shot himself (??) - blank * Dealer shot himself (????) - live * Ame cuffed - skipped turn * Dealer shot himself (??????) - live


throwaway321768

Ame with that time-travelling protagonist luck.


HaessSR

She jumped ahead to see what the AI would do.


AccomplishedSize

Dealer-san are you ok?


luorela

Oh just noticed, Linglan Lily did a 3D birthday stream, showing off the model outside the concert. She has Xbox mic, yes she knows. It starts very strange, lol. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8xm9m7YNST8


rosalldnb

minto live learning japanese playing shashingo [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D8ZJ2gkzhqA](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D8ZJ2gkzhqA)


pastelnurse

Angie new dog https://preview.redd.it/cpwtlo00oazc1.png?width=755&format=png&auto=webp&s=b848dce5a243ec4d5165cb4f1f47c2bdb5edffbc


dcresistance

[biboo had a messed up dream](https://twitter.com/kosekibijou/status/1788361701085385196)


farranpoison

Reminds me of when I once had a dream that I got my head cut off. I remember sort of waking up after that, and checking my neck to see if it was still there. But in my sleepiness, I actually missed my neck entirely and felt nothing, so I actually did think my head was off... but I was just like "well dang that sucks" and went back to sleep lmao.


AlexHero1999

[Hakka's Bunny Garden stream](https://www.youtube.com/live/veIlRGYmxlw) https://preview.redd.it/nveyb5oolazc1.png?width=1920&format=png&auto=webp&s=e59d676b383187bde276724130aa8bd57e57e1ea I'd say that those assets he's got are the most unsettling thing I've seen today, but I've seen worse stuff today. Hopefully this will make for a chill stream while making some food. He's trying so hard to focus on the eyes... this' gonna be fun.


mp3max

> He's trying so hard to focus on the eyes He's given up and being ultra brazen with his staring. Poor guy knows he'd go broke if he went to one of those places irl


ShadowCrossZero

Ultra brazen and ultra dehydrated all right


AlexHero1999

He actually held on for longer than I thought. Sure, my expectations weren't even that high, but still.


Jetjagger22

Stupid sexy Hakka


Fenr_

Watching Ohapol Polka goes over the Holostreams schedule Hakka Bunny Garden stream thumbnail pops up [I now have questions](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=veIlRGYmxlw)


LocknDoTs

You know what? >!Would!<


luorela

Seems normal to me.


AzureGale4

[Flayon](https://youtu.be/rPoS935mGfE) and [Bonnie](https://youtu.be/lpzY4oZbNkg) get together for an art collab. Let's see if they can synchronize and draw something cool :o And in about 30 minutes, chaos crew ([Monarch](https://www.twitch.tv/leeandlie), [CyYu](https://www.twitch.tv/cyyuvtuber), [PorcelainMaid](https://www.twitch.tv/porcelainmaid), [MissShadowLovely](https://www.twitch.tv/missshadowlovely)) will get together because they have Uno. Hopefully :p


dcresistance

[New $14, 3-week Humble Bundle of Metroidvanias](https://www.humblebundle.com/games/metroidvania-mania) * 9 Years of Shadows * Axiom Verge 1 & 2 * Cookie Cutter * Ghost Song * Death's Gambit: Afterlife (+50% off Ashes of Vados DLC) * The Knight Witch


iamwooshed

[Tsumugi’s OW2 stream will start at 11:00 JST today!](https://www.youtube.com/live/PxjG0NZuju4?si=W9pCWpBxyygCdJh2)


Qwaztop

[Dokibird Party Animals Twitch Rivals](https://www.twitch.tv/dokibird) with BriAtCookie, Dtto, and Surefour


Snake_hugger

Unrelated to vtuber but something that's probably in the alley of some people here. Question for the VN (also dating sim) enthusiasts: is there any VN from big name developer that uses L2D for its CG or bust image? L2D seems to be underutilized in the VN medium, which is strange because it's EVERYWHERE in the gacha market (which is heavily influenced by the VN medium) and, of course, in vtubing. Even TM did not use L2D for both Tsukihime remake and Mahou Tsukai no Yoru port and I'm sure that they have the money for that. Admittedly, I rarely follow the VN/dating sim industry nowadays so maybe I'm missing something recent from the likes of Nitro+ or Key. Nevertheless, I think L2D could be something that can reignite some interest in this old medium. >!Also don't get me started on its potential for games on the ero side of things.!<


kancolyasen

Both [Lose's Maitetsu](https://www.dlsite.com/pro/work/=/product_id/VJ013196.html)(1) and [Alcot's Clover Day's Plus](https://www.alcot.biz/product/cld_p/cdpe.html) use a similar technology called [E-mote](https://emote.mtwo.co.jp), so the technology is there and being utilized. As for the ero potential, Clover Day's H-scenes does use it pretty well imo, can totally recommend it(thanks Elite Miko for introducing the game to me). Though if you're focusing on the erotic aspect of L2D sprites, there's an entire bucketload of R18 gacha games with L2D at Fanza that you can download through the DMM Games Store app. I personally recommend Twinkle Star Knight, which is based off [Lillian's Twinkle☆Crusaders](https://www.lillian.jp/kurukuru/index.html) series, notably implementing an updated version of the [battle system](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mWLWC2KoCeE) from the original games that is honestly quite addictive. (1) linking to DLsite since the original developer already ceased operations.


viridiian

Can't help with your question but I recently started a sci-fi yuri ADV VN called [Hayasaki no Kuroyuri](https://store.steampowered.com/app/1931940) and it uses Live2D. It seems to be the debut work of an indie dev and Fukahire-sensei does the art.


Seijass

Nikke is one of the few gacha that actually utilizes full size (instead of chibis) L2D in both VN cutscenes/lobby and gameplay that did get big.


CivicTera

Nikke uses Spine, not Live2D. Most of the [Nikke Asset visualizers](https://nikke-db.pages.dev/visualiser) call the models "Live2D," but they're actually utilizing Spine for the animations, as [the game files they use](https://github.com/Nikke-db/Nikke-db.github.io/tree/main/l2d) are in the .skel format, from Spine, rather than the [Live2D file formats](https://docs.live2d.com/en/cubism-editor-manual/file-type-and-extension/), which makes me think they're using Live2D as a misnomer for character models. From scanning forums it seems like Spine is more popular because skeletal animation is more common in general and is better for posing characters, as opposed to Live2D's mesh animation which is great for real-time face tracking but not very useful for video game animations.


NatiBlaze

Ngl, Gacha games have kinda become the more popular VNs, it's literally the same but live service model


Snake_hugger

Yup. I also consider gacha as the main successor of VNs but with its monetization on steroid. Heck, most modern gacha games such as Arknights and FGO are basically VN with gameplay slapped on it.


nolonger1-A

I also haven't been touching VNs for so long. I was really big on Key before but I haven't touched their Summer Pockets or Stella of the End. But I remember a nukige that has very animated sprites and CGs that the quality really impressed me despite it being, well, a nukige. Not sure if it comes from a big VN dev, but anyway the title is >!Rondo Duo!<. But anyway, I'd imagine if the sprites move too much, it'd probably be a bit distracting readers from the story. But if the goal is to become a proper side dish like nukige, I think it'd serve its purpose.


Snake_hugger

Holy Matsuri! I just checked Rondo Duo and turns out that the dev is Tinkelbell, an old player in the nukige industry. Technically they can be considered as the early adapter of proto-L2D technology since the 2000s. It's funny to think that the vtubing industry might have one of its roots connected to nukige lol.


lernz

Nekopara?


Snake_hugger

Oof, that one flew under my radar. Thanks! I will check it out.


lernz

No problem. Also I remembered that vndb has tags so you can try [checking this out.](https://vndb.org/g2038)


secret_jackoff

Also: Love Cube. This game is from a sister company of Neko Works, Neko Work H.


Enough-Run-1535

Not much in the mainstream VN games, but you are seeing more erogames on dlsite using L2D. The circles there have a more ‘can-do’ attitude and learn to animate + rig their own models for their games, which justifies adding on another ¥500 for making the extra effort. I feel mainstream VN publishers are stuck having too low sales and higher overhead costs to make that effort.


Snake_hugger

Yeah, I also suspected that money would be the main issue. The industry is past its heyday and now is difficult to make profit. That's why most of the big names moved or diversified to other media such as conventional game development (Leaf), anime production (Nitro+) or franchise licensing (TM).


phantombloodbot

as a professional sex pervert i really really really doubt most of these companies have enough money to do l2d. zero fuckin chance, this shit does not sell to a wide enough audience and you're not exactly getting much reuse out of a custom rigged animation that doesn't even have an actual human behind it. h-l2d is mostly done by smaller artists as far as i can see and from what implementations I've actually seen of it it kind of gets repetitive? sex scenes are usually longer than like...4 minutes or whatever. sex movements are repetitive, why bother animating something so repetitive? not a good use of one time resources imo, also games are long as fuck not to mention do you want to open up the annoying gate that is lip syncing a 2d model?


Strong_Beat_holo

It's not a VN, but I believe the Neptunia games use live2D.


dcresistance

[Ina playing Depersonalization in member's in 4m!](https://youtu.be/wgU2kUIt5vM)


NatiBlaze

Oh hey! For the people looking for a Vtuber Rep that will try out Marvel Rivals, Doki's got our back. https://preview.redd.it/gsumr7jof9zc1.png?width=1200&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=045c844b5e699e714acd4d47ea104ff75ecc467e [Tweet](https://twitter.com/dokibird/status/1788291443288658040?t=QdB7hZjvw5qhsoQMmEI1jw&s=19)


Drospri

Ame, [guns, and gambling](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y3QpnBzetJ4) tonight.


RootsTheory

Ame back. Life is complete again.


HaLire

ameeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!


AkhasicRay

Reddit has ruined me, I see gyatt and I think of funny reaction memes https://preview.redd.it/w34jmu9rb9zc1.jpeg?width=616&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=169e2b14e6f0560532f3fb3ee70b42ebb34801c8


AzureGale4

Two Content Warning collabs incoming Happening now is one with [Dr.NOVA(e)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iVkOG0Gd58c), [Jesse Llum](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9F9Na1oEqDI), [Miki Hitsugi](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g2lfOqGw5q0), and Abi Kadabura And in about 20 minutes is another with [Poko Rakun](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eYK-Njor8Os), [Kai Saikota](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_p5z6bKBfE4), [Remilia Nephys](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HUhRdVtPTes), and [Muu Muyu](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=biB4t0lXMQM) :o


Qinglianqushi

I don't know if any other JP Holomem has talked about the new 3D Live system before, but Kanata did in her Bunny Garden stream yesterday, and she mentioned that the Live she just had might be her last Live with guests, in particular now that Cover only promises Holomem one Live a year. To be sure, her last Live with guests was like 2 years ago, and Kanata has always been really focuses on solo Live, since she has serious musical aspirations. But still, it was at least possible in theory and now the chance of a Live with guests is apparently vanishingly small, which I think is unfortunate. But I suppose Kanata has to do what is best for her, and her duet with Risu (or Ayunda, rather) and her performance with AZKi, Ayame, and Lamy are probably the best sending off possible.


DiGreatDestroyer

So does this mean Kanata won't miss a 3D anniversary even after hosting today's 3D concert?


SFTSmileTy

Hope they remove the restriction once the studio is adequately staffed and there is no problems with the Schedule.


Skellum

> Hope they remove the restriction once the studio is adequately staffed and there is no problems with the Schedule. I would imagine it gets more due to the quality of the studio. I doubt cover will stop picking up more talents and the only real way to get more throughput from the studio would be to have more studios. But, if it's worth it from someone to pay for their live provided they have guaranteed studio time and fly there from the US to do so then they're apparently very much worth it.


GravityGalaxy

So it seems she said that because she mainly does solos? Or is there some policy about who they can invite now?


Qinglianqushi

Oh, I was just referring to how JP Holomem were not quite guaranteed 2 3D live one for their BD and one for their anniversary, so even someone who's really serious about her music like Kanata could have a Live with guests once in a while. But now that the policy is explicitly 1 Live a year, Kanata would (presumably) want to focus on herself first.


GravityGalaxy

Got ya, so it's not new info. It does suck for her if she's going to focus on solo 3Ds. Hope she can get invited to other 3D lives and official 3D events


xorrag

weird, I can't imagine there won't be any lives with guests going forward. and there is simply too many people to do more than 1 per year. previous system screwed en and id completely


Qinglianqushi

I suppose? I was very specifically talking about Kanata in the context of her being one of the small number of Holomem who are really serious about their music, and she's always prioritized solo Live anyway. There is no reason to think that Holomem *can't* invite guests if they want, I don't think.


zetarn

It's just her choice for the content she want to push. It's doesn't effect the other. Other holomens still can invite other members normally just fine.


xorrag

[karaoke rerebroadcast](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZCfu2xo6Imo)


MyrMindservant

Youtube algorithm has just suggested me a [flute playing stream by Ouga Ruki](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zyBGBxzM5es), and I'm glad it did. It's still ongoing atm.


dualcalamity

thanks for the recommendation. I just tuned into her playing "You raise me up". Great song choice and an instant sub.


AzureGale4

[Vance Van Creed](https://youtu.be/VCrYR-xNy_g) and [Scarlett Flameheart](https://youtu.be/xiEdIh4ICUE) are talking about tabletop RPGs. Pull out your dice and character sheets for this one :o


SlothOfShadows

[Reine will be teaching Miko Indonesian this week.](https://www.youtube.com/post/UgkxeT61c0wKHFTXH_QxMtphsDmltOJEKlZG) Friday night at 8 PM Pacific, 11 PM Eastern / Saturday at 12 PM JST. The Elite will consume another language.


Random-Rambling

Who would win? A language created to unite millions of people across thousands of miles, and succeeding? OR One elite girl?


SlothOfShadows

Reine is an experienced teacher with 17 previous students. (18 if you count Fuwamoco as separate students.) She even survived a certain dragon's attempt to turn her into Thanksgiving dinner. But the Eliteness has an untold power to subsume languages into itself. So we'll find out.


Noxdit77

[Pippa](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q-q8cRT8tCg) and [Luca](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KvBmenvowKA) from Globie are playing Left 4 Dead 2, don't ask about Pippa's attachment


adalhaidis

I always confuse her with another Pippa. But then again, in real life when people talk about football player Ronaldo I have sometimes to clarify which one they mean - Brazilian or Portuguese?


HumanBeing23627

well most of the times people call the portuguese one Cristiano to avoid this issue xD, Cristiano, Cris, El Bicho


extralie

[Kiara playing Headbangers in 2 minutes.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bR9Sl9HEDsk)


Shuriken_2393

[Akutan is going to do her 2 million karaoke endurance stream tomorrow at 2000 JST!](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vwYTxvBANHQ)


NatiBlaze

>2 million karaoke endurance Damn, the next 2 million milestones are coming, I saw Noel pulling up the sub counter for a vertical superchat stream as well https://preview.redd.it/lwou7br7e8zc1.png?width=1200&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=da9f25c1a477dac153b1f145985d3e3b1352a4a8


diego1marcus

i saw this in r/kurosanji, and wtf Anycolor right now has a collaboration with ASAP Club, an energy drink, with Kanae and Kuzuha doing a stream promoting it. i dont know the exact details, but i think part of the promotion was their recommendations with the energy drink. for some reason, anycolor staff recommended that you can mix the energy drink with soju, [as seen on this tweet ASAP Club did](https://twitter.com/asapclub_/status/1787865623214850092). i couldnt find any tweets or reports, but supposedly, there were reports of japanese fans actually attempting to mix the energy drink with soju and then ended up going to the hospital due to palpitations and other bad symptoms. whether those reports are true or not, regardless, it was bad enough that the actual Japanese Ministry of Agriculture, Forestry, and Fisheries [tweeted out a PSA to not mix caffeine with alcohol](https://twitter.com/MAFF_JAPAN/status/1788118637293051965). ASAP Club then [tweeted this out which was basically damage control](https://twitter.com/asapclub_/status/1788147522927829221), saying that they proved that mixing soju with their energy drink is safe to consume, but also ends the tweet saying that you should be drinking alcohol in moderation if theres anyone that somewhat knows more about this, please let me know. but man, this just screams pure sheer incompetence


Barchow

Doesn't JP have those really strong energy drinks as well?


Solar424

2434Loko


Kreceir

All they had to do was to shill and promote a energy drink. ***Thats what they all had to do.*** And yet they fucked it up to the point where the official Japanese goverment had to do a PSA warning people not to mix a energy drink with alcohol.


HaessSR

"Hey, this is good!" "What's it called?" "It's X!" -this was all they had to do. Baseball players do this all the time. They didn't have to add anything.


fhota1

Alcohols a depressant, caffeines a stimulant, general rule dont mix the 2.


rosalldnb

i too like a good drink sometimes but this is p irresponsible for people with such a following to essentially promote \[tho i think its irrespossible to do in general\] and please please dont mix alcohol and energy drinks, that is genuinely quite dangerous specially if you have some kind of heart condition, getting drunk a lil faster isnt worth a risk of death


Necessary-Ability-57

Given their practice of hiring students as staff, it's not surprising. However I am curious about whether the company will choose to collaborate with them again, especially in light of unconfirmed reports of hospitalizations and damage control tweets.


phantombloodbot

yeah no fuckin shit they're unsubstantiated it's been like a day and a half


Psyzhran2357

Even after knowing the dangers of mixing alcohol and caffeine stuff like Jaegerbombs and Irish Coffee still persist, but I read that people were mixing the energy drink with soju 1:1? WTF??? Putting aside the health risks for a moment, why would you mix liquor with anything other than another type of liquor or a flavoring bitter/liquer 1:1? Highballs like gin&tonic or rum&coke are at the bare minimum 2:1 mixer to liquor; if the ratio's smaller than that you're just destroying the flavour of both the mixer and the liquor. Am I just being a snob? Then again, back when I drank I'd drink whisky and gin neat; the only cocktails I regularly ordered were Caesars because I really like Clamato. So I'm probably the weird one here.


Few_Fortune5414

Tbf you normally should drink soju in a soju/shot glass (60ml), so 1:1 from a soju glass (30ml of soju, 30ml energy drink) sounds tame and safe to me, but personally I would only be able to drink 2-3 shots since I have a low alcohol tolerance


aMinerInconvenience

I used to add a bit of baileys to my coffee like once a week or so, I was wondering how would that send anyone to a hospital until I saw the 1:1 ratio. That's wild.


HaessSR

No, you're sane. Whoever decided to add that to the script either doesn't drink....


nsleep

The problem with energy drinks + alcohol is that people who drink alcohol often don't know what "moderation" means and both energy drinks and alcohol on their own can fuck someone up when consumed in excess. Like, what could ever go wrong after popping 3 cans of red bull and two bottles of soju in one go, right?


RootOfOrigin

Mixing with soju is yikes - it has a reputation of a very easy to drink alcohol but because its alcohol content is somewhere around 16-25%, that shit can hit in really bad. Mixing it with caffeine seems like a recipe for disaster.


Recioto

Mixing redbull and strong alcohol is nothing new. Have you youngsters never drunk a Jägerbomb?


Enough-Run-1535

Problem is that soju is extremely easy to drink, like I have more trouble drinking a can of coke than soju. Mix it 1:1 with an energy drink is a one way ticket to Crunkville if you’re not careful or can’t moderate.


TaffySebastian

I miss when I was 20 and was downing monster and vodka/rum, good times, bad times lol.


AccomplishedSize

As a person who would regularly go twelve loco deep before the formula changed, this is kind of a head scratcher. Like yeah, don't mix your uppers and downers in large quantities, but also that's ultimately the responsibility of the person doing the mixing and drinking to moderate themselves.


rpsRexx

Seems like a bad idea for an energy drink company to advertise something like this directly even with it being very common. I know Redbull has put it doesn't recommend mixing with alcohol on cans in the past probably to avoid liability for people screwing it up/not understanding moderation.


Random-Rambling

Considering their viewerbase is largely composed of teens and young adults, the type of people who are famously bad at moderating themselves, this was understandable.


HaessSR

Don't forget that in the West, there's already been a lot of trouble over energy drink promotions by influencers, which Vtubers can be seen as. Like holy shit, couldn't someone have reviewed what they were doing and said something ahead of time?


Recioto

I mean, if their audience really is mainly teens and young adults the issue is suggesting alcohol at all, at least in a country with a drinking age of 20.


MyrMindservant

Niji is very large in Japan, with 100+ talents in that country alone. And their audience is correspondingly diverse, with different vtubers catering to different age groups and genders. If anything, median Niji fan in Japan should be on the older side, when compared to a more general vtuber audience, simply because the company has been active and popular there for so many years. The fact that some people here are claiming that Niji audience mostly belongs to one specific age group just shows how little they know about the topic at hand. All that being said, I agree that suggesting an alcohol + energy drink combo was really irresponsible on their part. Alcohol alone is a touchy subject, but a public figure should not suggest a cocktail like that to a general audience, regardless of age groups.


luorela

Going by this, Niji has a relatively younger audience on average, compared to Holo anyways. Actually somehow both what I expected and not. https://www.reddit.com/r/HoloStatistics/comments/1ax18l2/hololive_demographic_with_age_gender/ Niji 24-25.


MyrMindservant

That data looks way too weird. I can't believe Touhou (東方Project) fans would be that young (23-24 on that chart) on average. I would expect them to be above 30 at least, considering that Touhou franchise has been going since 1996 and has passed its peak of popularity a decade and a half ago. Edit: And it's not just that Touhou fans are way younger than they realistically should be, that graph also shows them as one of the youngest demographics period. A video game series originating in the 90s, which was known for its very high difficulty and fairly poor graphics, which has been past its peak of popularity for more than a decade now (or even a decade and a half), to have one of the youngest demographics? Even when compared to franchises that are way newer, more casual friendly and more kid friendly? There is something wrong with that chart.


MahdeenSky

I've also seen somewhere that even teenagers were doing it. It became a bigger deal so much that the Japan's Ministry had to take action.


diego1marcus

yeah, although i couldnt find anyone reporting about the teens doing it, but i did link the tweet from the Ministry of Agriculture, Forestry, and Fisheries, so its very likely that it was happening


Few_Fortune5414

https://preview.redd.it/242809tvdfzc1.jpeg?width=916&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e3d8f2d3482d568bf78e749ea7fc265958804d54 Or it could be the government tweeted in response from this viral jp tweet, 14 year old claim that they drink monster with strong zero (beer) everyday


NatiBlaze

Can anyone that can speak Japanese/watched the stream expand on this? >for some reason, anycolor staff recommended that you can mix the energy drink with soju Did the staff talk on stream? Did ChroNoir follow a script from staff? Was staff on chat/pinned chat sharing this big brained idea?


iamwooshed

It’s the second. Kanakana basically said “based on staff’s recommendation” if I’m not wrong.


DiGreatDestroyer

Sucks to be that - likely overworked - staff member who must have been like, "time to do my guys a solid and share them my favorite secret drink for their stream \^\^" and has now caused these big health and PR issues.


NatiBlaze

Thank you!


legaldrinkingage

Oh no, they recommended people the equivalent of a vodka+redbull... one of the most basic drinks ever. Like, nice that they gave out a PSA, but this is nothing.


phantombloodbot

professional alcoholic in the hizzouse


diego1marcus

i think you kinda missed the point it doesnt matter if vodka + red bull is a commonly mixed drink, what matters is the content of said drink. there should be some moderation in mixing said drinks due to the level of caffeine mixed with alcohol. having unmoderated amounts of caffeine mixed with alcohol is highly dangerous and shouldnt really be casually said in a promotional stream like this


Recioto

Unmoderated amounts of caffeine mixed with alcohol is no more dangerous than unmoderated amounts of just alcohol.


NixAvernal

No, it’s worse because the coffee will basically dull the buzz that you get from alcohol, leading you to drink more of the coffee and alcohol mix. Even someone who can drink in moderation might end up over drinking just because they don’t “feel” drunk. Edit: [While researching I also found out that the US has banned all sale of caffeinated alocoholic beverages since 2010]( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ban_on_caffeinated_alcoholic_drinks_in_the_United_States)


Recioto

Feeling drunk has never been a deterrent for drinking more at a party and the US has also banned the sale of Kinder Eggs, so excuse me for not caring about what you guys ban over there.


legaldrinkingage

No, I got the point just fine. I just think its dumb. If I recommend someone a whiskey, I don't have to tell them to not drink the entire bottle. In moderation should go without saying when alcohol is involved, and knocking them for recommending a basic highball is silly to me.


HaessSR

You're forgetting who their fans are, and some of their actions. Moderation is not something I think of when I hear about them, and it's also a legal liability issue too - that's why you get all those small text warnings in commercials now, along with the rapid fire "side effects may include" speeches in commercials.


legaldrinkingage

Mate, your first sentence already gives away you're going into this with a bias. OP literally got this from a subreddit called "kurosanji". If you guys want to engange with this with a side already picked, that's fine, but I just think it's a bit ridiculous.


xorrag

why those tweets essentially don't have any comments? you'd think it would be a hot topic. also that second tweet is hardly damage control if they doubled down


NatiBlaze

It's all Quote retweets, are they afraid of replying to a government entity? But even the energy drink company tweet also had loads of quote retweets, I don't understand


ranyi

oh shit that's news to me, i've drunk a good amount of jaeger bombs and thankfully i'm still ok


Known-Ad64

What you drink is a cocktail recipe vetted by professional bartender. 1 or 2 shot every now and then is fine. However, that recommendation was from an amateur with no bartender qualification. Let's do some math. One bottle of soju is about 350 ml. Adjust for alcohol content, it's about 250 ml of Jaeger. And one can of energy drink is about 250 ml. So it's a total amount of 500ml of caffein cocktail. Which means they has just recommended you to drink something equal to 10 shots of Jägerbomb. And because this mixture will mask the drunken effect of alcohol, you will be more likely to finish the whole thing. That will fry your throat, your brain, your liver and your kidneys.


Recioto

Lol, if by "professional bartender" you mean my friend Ivan who is much less sober than me at any given time then sure, the cocktail was vetted. Also, no, 10 shots of Jägerbomb will not fry anything, you will maybe feel like shit the day after, but that's it. 10 shots a day for a prolonged period of time is another story, though.


Slim_Charles

Indeed, every Jägerbomb I've ever consumed was handed to me by a drunk college student.


Few_Fortune5414

As a guy who drinks on rare occasions, I thought the 1:1 ratio recommendation was based on a soju/shot cup? So 30ml of asap and 30ml of soju, and not 250 ml of asap and 250 soju, which sounds crazy lot for 1 person


Recioto

250ml of soju is just a fairly carburated session of DnD with the boys and the gals on a Friday evening.


Few_Fortune5414

Just 250ml of soju is fine, but mixed with 250ml of energy drink sounds a bit too much for me. The best I can do is 2-3 shots before I feel like pounding which is already 60-90ml of energy drink


money-is-good

But why? Thats double whammy on your body, caffeine + ethanol = fuck your liver.


HaessSR

It's a well known problem. [Has been for over a decade](https://www.cdc.gov/alcohol/fact-sheets/caffeine-and-alcohol.htm), even. Remember about ten or so years ago, with all the talk about Red Bull deaths? That was people overdosing with it and booze. I'm just glad that the Japanese government stepped in before someone had serious issues and started suing them and the people promoting it.


xorrag

the government didn't do anything though. the chance that people who follow that promotion will see this tweet is minimal. and the company confirmed themselves it's ok and didn't take the first tweet down. so nothing changes


HaessSR

I look forward to the hysterical news articles that may be forthcoming then.


JimmyBoombox

Also the four loco stuff.


LocknDoTs

Damn, thought they just had ENcompetence, but not checking the dangers of that combination? Not sure who's more at fault, ASAP or Anycolor.


Enough-Run-1535

The fault should be slightly be more on ASAP. Red Bull has had similar controversies. They learned by labeling all of their cans to not mix with alcohol, and sponsors can’t use or condone alcohol with Red Bull. Of course, [it doesn’t stop Red Bull from publishing ‘mocktail’ recipes](https://www.redbull.com/in-en/red-bull-mocktail-recipes) that could be easily altered with a few key ingredients.


diego1marcus

it was an anycolor staff member that recommended that combination based on what i gathered. ASAP just relayed the recommendation in their tweet


NatiBlaze

Why is it only ASAP apologizing? It's Anycolor Staff with the bright idea


HaessSR

Anycolor apologizing? [Insert sound effect here.](https://youtu.be/_uWxu4DvYpc?si=Zhn87d46YkGXUIVH)


RootOfOrigin

[My choice of sound effect](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lhckuhUxcgA)


shdwdrgnix

Anycolor really put themselves in a hard place. They're never going to admit they messed up and blaming the livers could risk causing the jp equivalent of the Selen incident. Only option is to stay silent and hope everyone forgets the stream happened.


Barchow

At most you might see the talents who were involved "take a break"


HaessSR

That's the smart thing to do. Shame that not all of their management could take that advice.


Stuart98

Wtf


luorela

Towa Fighter 6 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nkmtY8hUXUI


iamwooshed

[Chloe’s unarchived English karaoke practice membership stream will start in a minute!](https://www.youtube.com/live/Hg7Gcba7HOU?si=88HQAnF8md4Fq4Pu)


Kreceir

[Its time for FuwaMoco morning!](https://youtu.be/jxsLZqPS--M) Something silly, but I like the running joke of the chat going # # / Hashtag Hashtag whenever they explain their #FWMCMORNING lol. And another Pero sighting! And hes seen in a Kaiju battle with Fubuzilla at Mt. Fuji?! Edit: FuwaMoco finished their signing their merch! And apparently some lucky ruffians might get a chance of getting Mococo signed ones that she might have sneezed on lol. Edit 2: Oh nyo the cup noodle incident! Mococo got distracted and accidentally misplaced her cup and it fell of the table. (I know the feeling of spilled noodles...) Edit 3: Mococo pup talk! She still sounds fuzzy, but shes sounding a lot better. She started screaming and now she sounds extra fuzzy again LOL. Edit 4: https://preview.redd.it/n6cua0gyz7zc1.png?width=675&format=png&auto=webp&s=60546aead4af8191437379279f1d0c79b87ed5b4 Edit 5: And the FuwaMocode for the archived viewers for today is: BAU BAU Spilled Noodles!


bnbros

>Edit: FuwaMoco finished their signing their merch! And apparently some lucky ruffians might get a chance of getting Mococo signed ones that she might have sneezed on lol. Limited sneeze merch is the new meta now


Fenr_

Let the mococloning begin!


NatiBlaze

Mogojan.... https://preview.redd.it/4x2nhbc4z7zc1.png?width=1200&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=1b5b7b5ac62a7a8321f934eac896a6c1dab9d0bc At least it's a cup, I elbowed a whole ceramic bowl one time thus there's broken pieces and spilled noodle 😞 Edit: It's good that Mococo is starting to sound better


luorela

Rip cup noodles.


ZaBlancJake

[Hanaka Kotone explaining that she caught because Traffic Violation ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hGvSgd6VpiE) https://preview.redd.it/iatyci7ht7zc1.png?width=1920&format=png&auto=webp&s=c750669efbb3f68eef902efefb0f826b06614db2


Adza_03

[4th CR Cup Street Fighter 6 IKZ!!](https://twitter.com/crazyraccoon406/status/1788206951421329793) This is actually the tourney to watch for, no Master, just bunch of newbies and regular players who gonna use different character. Personally I gonna root for Team 3 (Towa, Karubi, Sumire) and Team 4 (Totochi, Akirose, Hinano). Scrims start tomorrow.


sodasofasolarsora

Toto and Aki... Daugher and Mother vibes 


Adza_03

Funnily, Toto is using A.K.I while Aki dropped A.K.I for Guile. Looking forward seeing their interaction tomorrow!


luorela

Go team 3 go!


iamwooshed

Man I can’t choose who to root for, each team has someone I really like (except for Team 2. Akarin who?).


xorrag

damn I wonder why Holostars are never in this...


Adza_03

If you mean by this particular event, I think all Stars who play SF6 are overqualified. Other than that, I guess none of the Star or Star's managers particularly have close connection with Ojiji


Drospri

Usui is having a watchalong of [Starlinlk 6-56](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XiLz9qsDhPw) at 14:30 EST. Incidentally, SpaceX may be doing a static fire of their 5th Starship orbital test article sometime later today. You can watch [here](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ENxjR--cVHg).


JustaHappyGuy5

VEE has finally released the MV for their first ever group single "Absolute Zero" that was released a couple months ago. [Music Video](https://youtu.be/ND-rGqxXA4U?si=WhZEx87uCgzGp6iT) / [Music Streaming Link](https://lnk.to/absolutezero)


shimofune

I'm very late on posting this but [Kannagi Tenri](https://www.youtube.com/@KannagiTenri) is collabing with [Otsuka Ray](https://www.youtube.com/@OtsukaRay) [right now!](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=59sdy1r4qrc) EDIT: Wow that was such a blast, I really wish I had remembered to post it before it started rather than just before it ended. I've only had some really minor exposure to Ray before, mostly through this sub itself, so I had very little idea of what to expect but she was such a bundle of chaos, energy and joy. She was a perfect pairing for Tenri who always loves getting a little crazy here and there. They both had a ton of fun and it really showed and made it all the more enjoyable of a viewing experience. Tenri also said she doesn't feel like she's sang enough so she will be doing a guerilla stream to sing some more shortly. EDIT #2: [Guerilla is live now!](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FI4LfXy8904) (No live TL from me on the guerilla because I need to lie down and get some extra rest since I didn't sleep enough last night)


Necessary-Ability-57

Mio will be back hopefully by next week https://twitter.com/ookamimio/status/1788189980957012159?s=46&t=IQ79cksnUeCTRZ7I8SmoqQ truly sorry for causing you all so much concern!!! I am alive!!! I don't know when I'll be back yet, but I think I might be able to return next week or so 🙇‍♂️ I'm making a full recovery so that I can smile with everyone again in good health ✨ Sorry for worrying you


Pentao

Just a small fix, it's not next week (in the tweet), but the week after the next. 再来週 not 来週. Still possible she either recovers fast enough to show up next week anyway, but yeah, her current estimate is the week after next, which happens to be the week of Gamers Fes. Given how Mio was with covid, she's probably itching to get back to things ASAP but since she had to be hospitalized this time, we'll have to see how things go.


CannonGerbil

[Kaela became a victim of credit card fraud](https://twitter.com/kaelakovalskia/status/1788191752563921321)


nolonger1-A

Ah, that really sucks especially it's running for so long. I suppose she doesn't have two factor authentication or regularly checks her credit card statement?


Dvalinn25

[The way she was talking, she didn't check it for a while, apparently.](https://twitter.com/kaelakovalskia/status/1788193173581521229)


ezkailez

Maybe she's using debit cards that doesn't notify you when transactions are made. Pair that with some websites (such as airbnb) somehow not needing OTP to do transactions, well that'll be hell. Most of the credit cards i know of here provides notification either by SMS or apps


DanteKir

It was credit card. Debit card fraud is very hard to address and takes months to fix. They have to confirm it since it's money that is already out. Very likely, she does many transactions with her card that the suspicious transactions get lost in the list and the extra expenses go unnoticed.


ArchusKanzaki

It really depends on her bank whether to give notification by default or not. Mine does not, although I do check my statement before I paid for it (and to ask for annual fee waiver if that appear)