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> # [Russian elite leaves Moscow on private planes en masse](https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2023/06/24/630)
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> Russian oligarchs and politicians are leaving Moscow en masse on private planes, some of which have already landed outside the Russian Federation.
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> **Source:** [Vazhnye Istorii](https://t.me/istories_media/2854?fbclid=IwAR12sRxa-L7lxXPGT8kYw73SfPpJbgM95YqiMYNili9zKrWefVTBNrP6iQg) (Important Stories), a Russian website focused on investigative journalism.
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> **Details**: For example, Vladimir Putin's Il96-300PU, which is equipped with army control equipment, flew from Moscow to St Petersburg. The aircraft disappeared from the radar near Tver in Russia.
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> In addition, the second presidential plane, a Tu-214PU, departed from Moscow to St Petersburg at 14:44, which is also equipped in case of war. It disappeared from the radar over the Russian town of Gatchina.
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> Advertisement:
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> A business jet belonging to oligarch Arkady Rotenberg, a Bombardier BD-700, took off from Moscow today at 11:30 and landed in Baku at 15:04 (Moscow time). The flight was scheduled for yesterday evening.
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> An aircraft belonging to Denis Manturov, Russian Deputy Prime Minister, took off from Moscow at 07:00 and landed in Dalaman, Türkiye at 12:06.
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> Oligarch Vladimir Potanin's Gulfstream G650 business jet is expected to take off from Moscow to fly to Istanbul today at 17:00.
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> > **[/pravda\_eng](/pravda_eng)**
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> A Bombardier Global Express XLS belonging to state-owned company Inter RAO [headed by Boris, the son of Putin's friend Yury Kovalchuk – ed.] took off from Moscow and landed in St Petersburg at around 15:00 (Moscow time).
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> Ordinary residents of the Russian Federation are unlikely to be able to fly anywhere today, as the prices for air tickets to visa-free countries have skyrocketed. For example, a ticket for a direct flight from Moscow to Yerevan costs up to 200,000 roubles [about US$2,363 – ed.] and to Dubai – up to 350,000 roubles [about US$4,136 – ed.]. There are no tickets left for Istanbul, Astana and Tbilisi.
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> **Background:**
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> Wagner Group leader[Yevgeny Prigozhin has claimed](https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2023/06/23/7408266/) that the regular Russian army had launched a missile strike on the Wagnerites’ rear camps. Prigozhin claimed that Russian Defence Minister Sergei Shoigu had arrived in Rostov, where he personally conducted an operation to wipe out the mercenaries.
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> According to Prigozhin, 25,000 of his mercenaries are allegedly going to "restore justice". At the same time, he asked not to call their actions a "military coup". Prigozhin added that Shoigu had fled Rostov like a coward and "this creature will be stopped". The Russian Defence Ministry called the information a provocation.
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Not really. There is going to be a lot of political falout and unless you need to be present to profit staying away from moskau is going to be your best health insurance.
>In July 2021, the Russian activist Alexander Ionov demanded the Russian government to designate IStories as a "foreign agent". On 20 August 2021, the Ministry of Justice of the Russian Federation designated the legal entity of IStories, IStories fonds, and its journalists Anin, Shmagun, Alesya Marokhovskaya [ru], Roman Shleynov (Роман Шлейнов), Irina Dolinina [ru], Dmitry Velikovsky (Дмитрий Великовский) as "foreign agents". In 2021, IStories closed its operations in Russia.
Yup.
That's simply what Russia has been doing to any news source that isn't directly or indirectly controlled by the Kremlin in past years.
"Designated as a foreign agent" simply means "Not a Kremlin mouthpiece" at this point.
>Alexander Ionov was charged by a US Dept. of Justice indictment unsealed on July 29, 2022. He is accused of working on behalf of the Russian government and in conjunction with the Russian Federal Security Service (FSB) and orchestrating a years-long foreign malign influence campaign that used various U.S. political groups to sow discord, spread pro-Russian propaganda, and interfere in elections within the United States.
That's just how it goes.
And yet some countries call **everything** that doesn't 100% match the government line "propaganda" while others allow for *some measure* of dissent.
As with all things, degree matters.
Yeah, somehow it's question of nation security, to make few hundred people outside Russia think, that there's no more space on flights from Moscow.
I wonder what they meant by this.
Flight info is public knowledge. How do you think people track all those billionaire jets? You can verify it yourself if you so choose. A little bit of skepticism is healthy, but you may as well be asking for proof the sky is blue. The original source is Russian as well.
It's a bit more murky. ADS-B relies on the honesty of everyone involved and the fact that messing around with it is a serious crime almost everywhere in the world - but similar to AIS, it's marine equivalent, there's nothing stopping even a moderately skilled radio amateur from broadcasting their own faked beacon data. No digital signatures, no encryption, nothing.
The way these things work is decades old technology - an air- or watercraft has a GPS unit onboard and continuously broadcasts its position, identifier, heading, speed, altitude and other information, which is a legal requirement in many parts of the world. Other vehicles as well as control stations or radio amateurs in a range of up to 300-400km can then pick up the signal and generate real-time maps. These can then be used for anything from surveillance over flight / navigation planning to collision avoidance - the latter has independent systems aboard aircraft as well though, so even a control station fuck-up, outage or whatever doesn't pose a danger to anyone.
And as you can guess, there have been issues with it all the time. Military vehicles are allowed to turn the broadcast off, pirates and illicit fishers do it to avoid being tracked, and malicious agents plant false leads.
You'd generate fake waypoints and broadcast them on ADS-B, either from one or more ground stations or from a small aircraft if you want it to be picked up from more far-away receivers.
Ok, I guess one could coordinate several stations to cover the range, but wouldnt all the ATC stations scream that there's a mismatch?
And what about the destination airports?
I'm not convinced...
I am more than a little confused by this. Can anyone explain whathis means?
*"Vladimir Putin's Il96-300PU, which is equipped with army control equipment, flew from Moscow to St Petersburg. The aircraft disappeared from the radar near Tver in Russia.*
*In addition, the second presidential plane, a Tu-214PU, departed from Moscow to St Petersburg at 14:44, which is also equipped in case of war. It disappeared from the radar over the Russian town of Gatchina."*
##### ###### #### > # [Russian elite leaves Moscow on private planes en masse](https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2023/06/24/630) > > > > Russian oligarchs and politicians are leaving Moscow en masse on private planes, some of which have already landed outside the Russian Federation. > > **Source:** [Vazhnye Istorii](https://t.me/istories_media/2854?fbclid=IwAR12sRxa-L7lxXPGT8kYw73SfPpJbgM95YqiMYNili9zKrWefVTBNrP6iQg) (Important Stories), a Russian website focused on investigative journalism. > > **Details**: For example, Vladimir Putin's Il96-300PU, which is equipped with army control equipment, flew from Moscow to St Petersburg. The aircraft disappeared from the radar near Tver in Russia. > > In addition, the second presidential plane, a Tu-214PU, departed from Moscow to St Petersburg at 14:44, which is also equipped in case of war. It disappeared from the radar over the Russian town of Gatchina. > > Advertisement: > > A business jet belonging to oligarch Arkady Rotenberg, a Bombardier BD-700, took off from Moscow today at 11:30 and landed in Baku at 15:04 (Moscow time). The flight was scheduled for yesterday evening. > > An aircraft belonging to Denis Manturov, Russian Deputy Prime Minister, took off from Moscow at 07:00 and landed in Dalaman, Türkiye at 12:06. > > Oligarch Vladimir Potanin's Gulfstream G650 business jet is expected to take off from Moscow to fly to Istanbul today at 17:00. > > > **[/pravda\_eng](/pravda_eng)** > > A Bombardier Global Express XLS belonging to state-owned company Inter RAO [headed by Boris, the son of Putin's friend Yury Kovalchuk – ed.] took off from Moscow and landed in St Petersburg at around 15:00 (Moscow time). > > Ordinary residents of the Russian Federation are unlikely to be able to fly anywhere today, as the prices for air tickets to visa-free countries have skyrocketed. For example, a ticket for a direct flight from Moscow to Yerevan costs up to 200,000 roubles [about US$2,363 – ed.] and to Dubai – up to 350,000 roubles [about US$4,136 – ed.]. There are no tickets left for Istanbul, Astana and Tbilisi. > > **Background:** > > Wagner Group leader[Yevgeny Prigozhin has claimed](https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2023/06/23/7408266/) that the regular Russian army had launched a missile strike on the Wagnerites’ rear camps. Prigozhin claimed that Russian Defence Minister Sergei Shoigu had arrived in Rostov, where he personally conducted an operation to wipe out the mercenaries. > > According to Prigozhin, 25,000 of his mercenaries are allegedly going to "restore justice". At the same time, he asked not to call their actions a "military coup". Prigozhin added that Shoigu had fled Rostov like a coward and "this creature will be stopped". The Russian Defence Ministry called the information a provocation. > > **Journalists fight on their own frontline.** [**Support**](https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/supportus/) **Ukrainska Pravda or become** [**our patron**](https://www.patreon.com/pravdaua)**!** - - - - - - [Maintainer](https://www.reddit.com/user/urielsalis) | [Creator](https://www.reddit.com/user/subtepass) | [Source Code](https://github.com/urielsalis/empleadoEstatalBot) Summoning /u/CoverageAnalysisBot
Yeah cool, it's time to come back
Was Wagner working for the airlines all along?
Nope
but due to his actions, there were more ticket sales
This is just collateral damage. The main idea is different.
but how can that be? surely they must be in cahoots.
Guided by the same logic I may come to a conclusion that Putin worked with airlines in September. But lol
They're being facetious.
Who they?
my dude you have been hit with the classic r/sharksaresmooth edit: forgot blackout was happening, just look up sharks are smooth
That sounds reasonable. There must be a bigger plot happening behind the curtains.
Al Qaeda were in league with Amtrak! Follow the money people
It was Wagner! It was Wagner! It was Wagner All Along!
Not really. There is going to be a lot of political falout and unless you need to be present to profit staying away from moskau is going to be your best health insurance.
I've stayed away from Moscow long enough. My place is here
you do you guy. Just bring a good helmet
Spoken like a billionaire descending to the wreck of the Titanic, in a tin can.
Not to insult op or nothing but is Ukrainska Pravda the best source?
Nope
Source: Vazhnye Istorii (Important Stories), a Russian website focused on investigative journalism.
>In July 2021, the Russian activist Alexander Ionov demanded the Russian government to designate IStories as a "foreign agent". On 20 August 2021, the Ministry of Justice of the Russian Federation designated the legal entity of IStories, IStories fonds, and its journalists Anin, Shmagun, Alesya Marokhovskaya [ru], Roman Shleynov (Роман Шлейнов), Irina Dolinina [ru], Dmitry Velikovsky (Дмитрий Великовский) as "foreign agents". In 2021, IStories closed its operations in Russia. Yup.
That's simply what Russia has been doing to any news source that isn't directly or indirectly controlled by the Kremlin in past years. "Designated as a foreign agent" simply means "Not a Kremlin mouthpiece" at this point.
>Alexander Ionov was charged by a US Dept. of Justice indictment unsealed on July 29, 2022. He is accused of working on behalf of the Russian government and in conjunction with the Russian Federal Security Service (FSB) and orchestrating a years-long foreign malign influence campaign that used various U.S. political groups to sow discord, spread pro-Russian propaganda, and interfere in elections within the United States. That's just how it goes.
Hmm, if I compare credibilities, I know who I trust less.
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And yet some countries call **everything** that doesn't 100% match the government line "propaganda" while others allow for *some measure* of dissent. As with all things, degree matters.
We've always been at war with Eastasia...
Why have you though? I can understand your government doing it, but why have you?
Yeah, somehow it's question of nation security, to make few hundred people outside Russia think, that there's no more space on flights from Moscow. I wonder what they meant by this.
That just makes them sound more credible
Do you believe Russia Today is credible simply because it was banned in the U.S.?
Nope, because USA doesnt ban everyone who disagrees with the government
Right, they just label them far-right conspiracy theorists or Russian assets.
Glad you get it
By the way, you should go read about the "Twitter Files".
RT isn't banned in the US and whataboutism is lame.
Flight info is public knowledge. How do you think people track all those billionaire jets? You can verify it yourself if you so choose. A little bit of skepticism is healthy, but you may as well be asking for proof the sky is blue. The original source is Russian as well.
It's a bit more murky. ADS-B relies on the honesty of everyone involved and the fact that messing around with it is a serious crime almost everywhere in the world - but similar to AIS, it's marine equivalent, there's nothing stopping even a moderately skilled radio amateur from broadcasting their own faked beacon data. No digital signatures, no encryption, nothing. The way these things work is decades old technology - an air- or watercraft has a GPS unit onboard and continuously broadcasts its position, identifier, heading, speed, altitude and other information, which is a legal requirement in many parts of the world. Other vehicles as well as control stations or radio amateurs in a range of up to 300-400km can then pick up the signal and generate real-time maps. These can then be used for anything from surveillance over flight / navigation planning to collision avoidance - the latter has independent systems aboard aircraft as well though, so even a control station fuck-up, outage or whatever doesn't pose a danger to anyone. And as you can guess, there have been issues with it all the time. Military vehicles are allowed to turn the broadcast off, pirates and illicit fishers do it to avoid being tracked, and malicious agents plant false leads.
So how would you fake the departure of a big number of elite aircraft?
You'd generate fake waypoints and broadcast them on ADS-B, either from one or more ground stations or from a small aircraft if you want it to be picked up from more far-away receivers.
Ok, I guess one could coordinate several stations to cover the range, but wouldnt all the ATC stations scream that there's a mismatch? And what about the destination airports? I'm not convinced...
They seem to be a reliable source but many of their articles def have a motive. So you can use them for info but not for reason.
They are about as reliable as Russia Today or Radio Free Europe are.
Thought I was in r/worldnews with these sources
Source: Vazhnye Istorii (Important Stories), a Russian website focused on investigative journalism.
Latvian, not russian
Russians operating in Latvia are still Russian.
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Ok.
It's the same quality astroturfing and botting now in this sub too!
War is fought by the poor.
Bluballed Sadge
Found the bajs
Airlines around the world suddenly realize a way to increase profits world wide
But... I thought they calmed down??
it's outdated "news"
It's amazing how fast, "Fuck the poor," becomes, "Fuck! The poor!"
The poor are revolting.
"I know they're revolting, but why are they attacking us??"
"Finally, something we agree on."
You said it, they drink on ice
They show their true grit and resolve right there. Lol.
Like rats
WHY DO THEY ALWAYS SEND THE POOR
Where's the aa when you need it
I am more than a little confused by this. Can anyone explain whathis means? *"Vladimir Putin's Il96-300PU, which is equipped with army control equipment, flew from Moscow to St Petersburg. The aircraft disappeared from the radar near Tver in Russia.* *In addition, the second presidential plane, a Tu-214PU, departed from Moscow to St Petersburg at 14:44, which is also equipped in case of war. It disappeared from the radar over the Russian town of Gatchina."*
It 'disappeared' because they turned off the transponders.
that is what I thought, so they thought their own armed forces might shoot it down if they could find it? is that what is happening here?
Cockroaches that they are