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This is nothing new.
The Himalayas are a tough place to live which creates hardy men. It's difficult bringing employment and progress to the mountainous country. Nepali Gorkhas have a long history of being stellar soldiers and going out to seek employment in foreign armies. The Indian, British and Singaporean armies have Gorkha regiments. Many people who don't make the cut and former soldiers go out in the world, join private security and similar businesses. So much so, it had become a stereotype in India, that Gurkhas in India are employed as watchmen. Nepalis hate that stereotype.
No wonder Wagner PMC is hiring from Nepal. Hopefully these men come back safe.
I remember watching an old british training video where the gurkha potential recruits were running up a mountain carrying heavy rocks.
Hundreds flew up the mountain.
But they only took the top 3.
So many of them would make good recruits and likely now go to these other army's.
One of my old commanders was a FFL (French Foreign Legion) dropout. IIRC this dude made it all the way through the pipeline then decided he didn't want to be part of a foreign legion, then decided to join the US military and deployed several times. Dude had his face blown off by an IED and still kept fighting. Toughest dude I've ever met.
Same even happens in the US military, I knew a few really tough corpsmen that were seal dropouts, except that they didn't make it through the program. Really weird seeing a green side corpsman outshine your units heavy guns section (50 cal, mk 19, etc.)
Sometimes dudes that don't make it well in one place will still do well in another place. I have a ton of respect for the Gurkhas, but when the other person put it in the context of them not having enough opportunities I can kinda understand it a little better. I've been to a fair amount of countries that were really rough to live in, and some of the people living there take desperate measures just to put some food on the table.
This sucks all around. Sucks for the dudes they're going up against, sucks got the Gurkhas that are going to be used as cannon fodder, and sucks that the region isn't going to be stable again for a long time.
Low paying job
Also people call all of them 'bahadur' meaning 'brave'. They don't like that stereotype. I know it sounds like an okayish thing but they don't seem to like it.
> hopefully these men come back safe
Hopefully they don't. I don't wish them ill personally much more than the average mobik, but this is war and the way for the invasion to end is for more of the invaders to die.
>Even during the training period, the salary is about fifty thousand Nepalese rupees(400$), along with insurance. After one year, citizenship is also available. If I don’t die in one year, I will live here,” the Nepali youth from Koshi says
Bloody hell, that exchange rate is ridiculous o.O
For that kind of money there’s people on benefits I know who could afford two or more Gurkhas then
Does put into perspective how desperate things might be in Nepal though, shame those lads are left considering that as the best choice :(
I've noticed over the years that redditors are, generally speaking, absolutely clueless about what people earn in less prosperous parts of the world. Like, not even the faintest idea
> I've noticed over the years that redditors are, generally speaking, absolutely clueless about what people earn in less prosperous parts of the world.
you're assuming the loudest redditors are people with jobs and not commentators perched from the commanding heights of their mother's basement
Generally we’re pretty clueless about what people next door are earning too to be fair - but yes it’s still staggering to me quite how massive the difference actually is between countries on either end of the current prosperity scale
Exposure and word of mouth are the big factors in how well people can perceive things like that, and unfortunately most of us don’t really go all that far or experience all that much from places so different from home
Let me give you an example.
I’m traveling in Tajikistan in a rented van I’m driving. I took 2 elderlies in at a checkpoint, we’re driving along the Afghan border.
At a narrow point in the road we cross a car, I end up denting the rear door and side panel of the car with my van’s bull bar.
I get out, 4 soldiers come out of the car. To my luck everybody is quiet and friendly. We discuss damages and agree it’s shared fault. I end up giving 20$ for repairs and we all move on.
Get back in the van, drive along. Elder lady explains she saw me giving money to the soldiers, explains I shouldn’t have.
Tell her I think 20$ for the amount of damage isn’t much at all, considering it’s also partly my fault.
She explains her monthly retirement allowance is 30$. I felt terribly ashamed.
At the end of the ride she still wanted to pay for her ride. Of course I refused.
I watched a recent travel video in Dubai.
The guy said he would fly to the country of the first macdonald's workers he talked to.
Ended up being Nepal.
I though oh that will be a tricky flight to get.
There was 8 per day direct from Dubai.
Yeah but that’s explicitly worth 400$usd, which in the developed world (depending on country ofc, but *generally*) isn’t a major amount of money and could be gained by a Nepali for less risk working in the UK for instance
For context that’s currently about £314 in the UK (back when I worked in a warehouse on night shifts I would have got somewhere around that weekly) and if those Gurkhas had instead decided to Join the British army as many more Gurkhas have done throughout history they’d instead be getting closer to £1,200 as a starting (Monthly) salary, which isn’t fantastic in the UK, but can be built on over time and with promotions; converting that £1,200 figure back to Nepali rupees directly though that’s about 122,000 RS, which is over four times higher than what those guys headed to Wagner are getting (and generally with less risk)
I know on the Nepali side both of those figures are pretty good anyway, but imagine signing up for what could end up killing you for a 1/4 of the wage your neighbour down the street did because they picked a different army
Getting into the Gurkha regiment is insanely difficult and the vast majority of applicants don't make it, not to mention with the current downsizing in the British army it's going to get even harder. Getting an actual work visa in the US also has a very stringent set of requirements despite what the average conservative would tell you.
Unless you've already found an employer that is willing to go through with the onerous and expensive H1B paperwork, provide documented proof they found no US citizens able to do the job, are willing to pay you atleast 50,000 bucks or so and you have a college degree you're automatically disqualified from even applying for an H1B visa.
For context a newly enlisted private (jawan) in the Indian army would make around 200 dollars.
You’re spot on there - iirc the British-Gurkhas have been downsized a fair bit in recent years already, so it could be a strong possibility the old Gurkha units might get dissolved outright in the future
Saying that, I’m surprised there hasn’t been a big movement of lads from the programme directly into private security - especially in the UAE for example; Gurkhas have a strong reputation globally for good reason, but are seemingly non-existent in the security field where they’d also excel massively
Instead the trend seems to be a lot of Nepalis move to work in Malaysia and the Gulf states as labourers, only to get screwed hard by the temperature difference, dehydration and lack of adequate protections/breaks - kidney disease and outright kidney failure are disturbingly common in a lot of returnees from those jobs I’ve heard
Not an easy task that’s true, but probably a little less risky than getting shelled in Donetsk for the chance of a Russian passport
That and there’s already an established Nepali community in the UK that can at least provide some help with the entry process
> along with insurance
curious how insurance works when there is such a high chance of death and injury. The insurance premiums must be massive and the payouts very low.
Same poor citizens from 3^(rd) world countries working for peanuts in miserable conditions was/is not a "concerning trend"?
Apparently, they were/are part of "globalisation efforts", fitting perfectly in the supply-demand schema.
Yeah they could but only a few hundred make the cut every year plus U.K has been downsizing thier military that includes Gurkha brigades aswell they had 7000 Gurkhas in 2012 now they have only 4000 and those numbers are only gonna decrease.
In contrast they had over 110000+ Gurkhas serving in the British Army during WW2.
Being genetically Nepalese doesn't matter.
Living your entire life in the mountains, in conditions that cause average people to collapse unconscious from oxygen deprivation however, does.
Martial race theory is dumb, but Gorkhas still make quite fine soldiers due to the challenging geography they grow up in that improves their average fitness levels.
It’s not that their Nepalese, it’s that they live at high altitudes in the mountains. We know that high altitude training significantly improves your physical fitness and endurance. The mindset that is required to live on such a hostile environment is also highly valued in a military setting.
I think once you look past the race part, it is more of environment, long standing tradition and prevailing socio-economic conditions.
I am reminded of Frank Herbert - writer of the Dune series - and his interest in how environment shapes humans.
For Norway the central parts and northern sections are heavily overrepresented in the military.
Basically the areas where hunting and outdoor life traditions remain high.
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There is no PMC Wagner anymore. Those guys are all being moved to the Russian MOD command. Sign the contracts or go home without a check
That's just speculation, but doing so would be a wise move on thier part considering what Prigozin tried to do with his private army.
This is nothing new. The Himalayas are a tough place to live which creates hardy men. It's difficult bringing employment and progress to the mountainous country. Nepali Gorkhas have a long history of being stellar soldiers and going out to seek employment in foreign armies. The Indian, British and Singaporean armies have Gorkha regiments. Many people who don't make the cut and former soldiers go out in the world, join private security and similar businesses. So much so, it had become a stereotype in India, that Gurkhas in India are employed as watchmen. Nepalis hate that stereotype. No wonder Wagner PMC is hiring from Nepal. Hopefully these men come back safe.
I remember watching an old british training video where the gurkha potential recruits were running up a mountain carrying heavy rocks. Hundreds flew up the mountain. But they only took the top 3. So many of them would make good recruits and likely now go to these other army's.
One of my old commanders was a FFL (French Foreign Legion) dropout. IIRC this dude made it all the way through the pipeline then decided he didn't want to be part of a foreign legion, then decided to join the US military and deployed several times. Dude had his face blown off by an IED and still kept fighting. Toughest dude I've ever met. Same even happens in the US military, I knew a few really tough corpsmen that were seal dropouts, except that they didn't make it through the program. Really weird seeing a green side corpsman outshine your units heavy guns section (50 cal, mk 19, etc.) Sometimes dudes that don't make it well in one place will still do well in another place. I have a ton of respect for the Gurkhas, but when the other person put it in the context of them not having enough opportunities I can kinda understand it a little better. I've been to a fair amount of countries that were really rough to live in, and some of the people living there take desperate measures just to put some food on the table. This sucks all around. Sucks for the dudes they're going up against, sucks got the Gurkhas that are going to be used as cannon fodder, and sucks that the region isn't going to be stable again for a long time.
Hopefully anyone joining Wagner turns into en example for the rest of the idiots considering doing the same
Why being a watchman is considered bad? Just curious
Low paying, not prestigious etc.
Low paying job Also people call all of them 'bahadur' meaning 'brave'. They don't like that stereotype. I know it sounds like an okayish thing but they don't seem to like it.
> hopefully these men come back safe Hopefully they don't. I don't wish them ill personally much more than the average mobik, but this is war and the way for the invasion to end is for more of the invaders to die.
Waste of good Gurkhas I say - got to wonder how much Wagners offering that it seems like a good deal for them though?
>Even during the training period, the salary is about fifty thousand Nepalese rupees(400$), along with insurance. After one year, citizenship is also available. If I don’t die in one year, I will live here,” the Nepali youth from Koshi says
Bloody hell, that exchange rate is ridiculous o.O For that kind of money there’s people on benefits I know who could afford two or more Gurkhas then Does put into perspective how desperate things might be in Nepal though, shame those lads are left considering that as the best choice :(
I've noticed over the years that redditors are, generally speaking, absolutely clueless about what people earn in less prosperous parts of the world. Like, not even the faintest idea
> I've noticed over the years that redditors are, generally speaking, absolutely clueless about what people earn in less prosperous parts of the world. you're assuming the loudest redditors are people with jobs and not commentators perched from the commanding heights of their mother's basement
> of their mother's basement **studio** FTFY
THANK YOU
Generally we’re pretty clueless about what people next door are earning too to be fair - but yes it’s still staggering to me quite how massive the difference actually is between countries on either end of the current prosperity scale Exposure and word of mouth are the big factors in how well people can perceive things like that, and unfortunately most of us don’t really go all that far or experience all that much from places so different from home
Let me give you an example. I’m traveling in Tajikistan in a rented van I’m driving. I took 2 elderlies in at a checkpoint, we’re driving along the Afghan border. At a narrow point in the road we cross a car, I end up denting the rear door and side panel of the car with my van’s bull bar. I get out, 4 soldiers come out of the car. To my luck everybody is quiet and friendly. We discuss damages and agree it’s shared fault. I end up giving 20$ for repairs and we all move on. Get back in the van, drive along. Elder lady explains she saw me giving money to the soldiers, explains I shouldn’t have. Tell her I think 20$ for the amount of damage isn’t much at all, considering it’s also partly my fault. She explains her monthly retirement allowance is 30$. I felt terribly ashamed. At the end of the ride she still wanted to pay for her ride. Of course I refused.
They tend to live in Economies that are over financialized garbage.
I think a large part of that is the changing age demographics of reddit. Much of reddit, nowadays, is made up of people under the age of 18.
I watched a recent travel video in Dubai. The guy said he would fly to the country of the first macdonald's workers he talked to. Ended up being Nepal. I though oh that will be a tricky flight to get. There was 8 per day direct from Dubai.
A sobering thing to see I imagine
Mate, 50,000 bucks is a pretty decent sum. It's more than what most people make here.
Yeah but that’s explicitly worth 400$usd, which in the developed world (depending on country ofc, but *generally*) isn’t a major amount of money and could be gained by a Nepali for less risk working in the UK for instance For context that’s currently about £314 in the UK (back when I worked in a warehouse on night shifts I would have got somewhere around that weekly) and if those Gurkhas had instead decided to Join the British army as many more Gurkhas have done throughout history they’d instead be getting closer to £1,200 as a starting (Monthly) salary, which isn’t fantastic in the UK, but can be built on over time and with promotions; converting that £1,200 figure back to Nepali rupees directly though that’s about 122,000 RS, which is over four times higher than what those guys headed to Wagner are getting (and generally with less risk) I know on the Nepali side both of those figures are pretty good anyway, but imagine signing up for what could end up killing you for a 1/4 of the wage your neighbour down the street did because they picked a different army
Getting into the Gurkha regiment is insanely difficult and the vast majority of applicants don't make it, not to mention with the current downsizing in the British army it's going to get even harder. Getting an actual work visa in the US also has a very stringent set of requirements despite what the average conservative would tell you. Unless you've already found an employer that is willing to go through with the onerous and expensive H1B paperwork, provide documented proof they found no US citizens able to do the job, are willing to pay you atleast 50,000 bucks or so and you have a college degree you're automatically disqualified from even applying for an H1B visa. For context a newly enlisted private (jawan) in the Indian army would make around 200 dollars.
You’re spot on there - iirc the British-Gurkhas have been downsized a fair bit in recent years already, so it could be a strong possibility the old Gurkha units might get dissolved outright in the future Saying that, I’m surprised there hasn’t been a big movement of lads from the programme directly into private security - especially in the UAE for example; Gurkhas have a strong reputation globally for good reason, but are seemingly non-existent in the security field where they’d also excel massively Instead the trend seems to be a lot of Nepalis move to work in Malaysia and the Gulf states as labourers, only to get screwed hard by the temperature difference, dehydration and lack of adequate protections/breaks - kidney disease and outright kidney failure are disturbingly common in a lot of returnees from those jobs I’ve heard
> could be gained by a Nepali for less risk working in the UK for instance Requires the Nepali person to go to the UK first I assume.
Not an easy task that’s true, but probably a little less risky than getting shelled in Donetsk for the chance of a Russian passport That and there’s already an established Nepali community in the UK that can at least provide some help with the entry process
> along with insurance curious how insurance works when there is such a high chance of death and injury. The insurance premiums must be massive and the payouts very low.
Same poor citizens from 3^(rd) world countries working for peanuts in miserable conditions was/is not a "concerning trend"? Apparently, they were/are part of "globalisation efforts", fitting perfectly in the supply-demand schema.
It's a shame us Brits don't take in the Ghurkas after their service. They are literally some of the best troops in the world
we do gurkhas can join the wider army after 5 years or use their service to count towards naturalisation
Can't gurkas join the UK military?
Yeah they could but only a few hundred make the cut every year plus U.K has been downsizing thier military that includes Gurkha brigades aswell they had 7000 Gurkhas in 2012 now they have only 4000 and those numbers are only gonna decrease. In contrast they had over 110000+ Gurkhas serving in the British Army during WW2.
Marital race theory still being alive is stupid.
Being genetically Nepalese doesn't matter. Living your entire life in the mountains, in conditions that cause average people to collapse unconscious from oxygen deprivation however, does.
Martial race theory is dumb, but Gorkhas still make quite fine soldiers due to the challenging geography they grow up in that improves their average fitness levels.
It’s not that their Nepalese, it’s that they live at high altitudes in the mountains. We know that high altitude training significantly improves your physical fitness and endurance. The mindset that is required to live on such a hostile environment is also highly valued in a military setting.
I think once you look past the race part, it is more of environment, long standing tradition and prevailing socio-economic conditions. I am reminded of Frank Herbert - writer of the Dune series - and his interest in how environment shapes humans.
When you think about it, it's just like how Yunan is known to be the military hotspot of China so to speak.
For Norway the central parts and northern sections are heavily overrepresented in the military. Basically the areas where hunting and outdoor life traditions remain high.
What must poor Joanna Lumley think of this?!