>TW questions about exercise
Are you fucking kidding me?? Is exercise really so traumatic and anxiety-inducing that FA’s literally need a trigger warning so they don’t have to think about it at all?
Yikes on bikes.
I wrote somewhere else that I despise the trend of CW/TW because people misuse them all of the time (not just the FA crowd). People use them with \*anything\* that may make someone upset or have a bad memory.
Right? Like if your mental health is so fragile, encountering the topic of exercise makes you have ptsd flashbacks, the internet is not a place for you right now.
Oh? You just mean it makes you uncomfortable? Then it’s not a trigger warning, is it? Byeeeee
Like I wasn't that good in gym class and was bad at exercising, so I have \*some\* negative memories and experiences back in the day. But it doesn't mean it falls under a "trigger" or "PTSD".
People (not just the FA crowd) really misuse this trend all of the time since it now means that it can be applied to anything that may involve a negative memory/emotion.
Yesss, and “trigger” is also mis-used the way I see/hear it so often by people who think the rest of the world is going to capitulate to every person’s specific triggers and never trigger them again. We all have things that make us feel bad, but it’s our responsibility to deal with those things, not everyone else’s responsibility to shield us from them.
Edit: fixed typo
I have a trigger related to doing a specific yoga move due to a teacher saying my knees were too high and trying to shove them lower with his body weight. Reading about yoga or seeing others do it is a nonissue, though.
Gym teacher, not anyone who was actually qualified, and yeah I realized at the time it didn't seem to be helpful. Hence me being supportive of people who only want to exercise in ways that don't remind them of gym class but who don't want to avoid it entirely.
I remember literally crying my eyes out at school because I was so far behind everyone else in a cross country race. I sucked SO hard at every sport.
I enjoy cycling as an adult, and my wife is always saying “why don’t you join a club?” But I never will because I hate the idea of having to keep up with others or racing.
But let’s be real: none of this counts as “trauma”, and to label it as such would be insulting to people who have endured really awful things.
As someone with a traumatic past, feeling mildly uncomfortable is not what a TW is for. It's for the likes of PTSD where without it, you risk having a fucking meltdown. Fuck these people.
Mmh, I tend to tag my stuff extensively and I feel like. It's not that big of a deal? Like there is such a thing to be said about curating your experience. If you know a topic is going to ick you out, not even trigger you or massively irritate you, why not avoid it? Like i feel this doesn't apply to stuff like exercise cause that's just ridiculous, it's something you NEED to do and do everyday even if you don't realise, but for stuff like worms, homophobia, idk snakes, violence...
Yeah, but what happens when someone’s “trigger” is trigger warnings themselves?
I’m all for a TW for rape, CSA, things that are truly triggering for many people. But a TW for worms? That’s going too far.
I feel like it kind of depends on what’s being discussed? Like if it’s a really detailed horror-type drawing of someone being eaten by worms or something, I think putting a CW (content warning, not trigger warning) is sensible. But yeah I probably wouldn’t warn people about it if I was just talking about my favourite worm species or those worm-on-a-string toys or something
Yeah I mean I was just saying that cause I'm in the tma fandom and discussions of worms very often involves them crawling all over someone or burrowing in skin and other gross stuff. Some people in the fandom are tired of seeing that understandably
What does that even mean? This is a nonsensical argument. Do you mean that the mere knowledge someone wants to warn on the content they're putting out is a trigger for you?
I also tag extensively on sites that allow it because I know there's topics I want to avoid and if I can help people avoid things that ick them, I will. But that's the difference between a TW and a CW
It doesn’t matter if it’s a “big deal” or not, it’s just a silly practice. If someone doesn’t want to read about a topic, they can stop rather than you refund to guess whatever topics some random person might want a warning about.
It takes me maximum ten seconds per post to assess what topics might be potentially problematic in what I'm saying and tag them appropriately. If it's no bother to me and it might help people then what's the issue?
Also, if the post/comment is short enough the first mention of the icky thing might be the only one
You can post titles, warnings everything this thread contains spiders, people will still be screaming about how arachnophobic they are. I think some things genuinely need them and I would put them on common phobias etc. But I'm not going to go watch free climbing videos to trigger my fear of heights, I want that kind of adrenaline rush I'll try to pet my cat. At some point you have to take responsibility
When I was a dumb, sheltered teenager trying to be a less-sheltered teenager, I’d look at things that upset me to try and toughen myself up.
You know what I what I’d never have dreamed of doing? Shame people for the content I sought out, or even the content I accidentally stumbled upon, even if it upset me.
If a teenager can get that the internet isn’t just for them, why can’t these people?
I personally don't use "TWs" since they are your own responsibility, and you can't depend on the internet to protect your fragile mind.
Where exactly is the cut off? Because people get upset about everything and every topic now requires a "TW", which is super silly, especially for something like exercise.
My cutoff for TWs is “would it get an R rating.”
That’s pretty much it. If I’m gonna bring gore, slurs, or sexual assault into the conversation, I’m gonna let someone know so they don’t have to dive into it.
Yeah, I think a reasonable person standard is fair in these situations. If stumbling across details of something could ruin a reasonable person’s day, adding some sort of warning instead of just blindsiding people with it is just considerate. For instance, if I’m going to actually tell someone exactly what kind of child porn Josh Duggar had, I’m going to warn people first. I will tell people because I think it’s important that people know exactly how sick it was to give the guy no plausible deniability when it comes to being a monster, but it’s going to blindside a lot of people, so it needs a warning.
I generally agree with you but I personally find it polite to warn people if I’m about to go into something about sexual violence, just cause it’s not only horrible but probably the most common big-T Trauma amongst civilians
For me common phobias that do trigger panic attacks in people, I love my little many legged friends, I get why many don't, and truly horrendous things that are going to upset most people. I couldn't buy clothes from the trendy slaving operation, this is genocide not so much
Oh, I thought you were saying the trendy slaving operation was one of the horrendous things and I was about to strongly agree with you. I wish more people were more triggered by that lol
I mean temu and shien are horrendous, as are the 3woke5you champagne socialists shilling them while saying they need to make bigger sizes. They're just gluttony incarnate
I feel it trivialises a very real symptom of post traumatic stress disorder. When someone with PTSD is triggered by something they’re not there conscious in that moment they’re remembering whatever trauma happened to them. PTSD is a messed up condition
I tend to agree. As a former anorexic, I encountered a lot of things on the Internet that DID trigger me into relapse. Remember Tumblr circa 2011? Pro-Ana content was everywhere. Ultimately it became my responsibility to take myself off that site, so I did until I knew I could handle it without spiraling. I appreciate TWs for graphic or vulgar things, but things that may mildly upset someone? Give me a break.
I've commented here before that a growing body of evidence shows that TW are actually harmful. Until research shows they actually help, I'll never use one.
I don't know a single person that actually benefits from one. It's been a trend in the past decade because mental health is now popular. People think "TW" is good for mental health, I guess?
I’ve been helped by TWs. As someone who’s a survivor of SA and has PTSD, just reading some words can trigger a lying on the bathroom floor sobbing-type meltdown. TWs protect people like me and I’m grateful when I see them.
Sure people can take it a little far, but tbh that’s not something I’d lose sleep over.
I think with extreme subjects (like sexual violence), maybe it's bad psychologically or something, but I still appreciate people warning me before I read something that ruins my day. If I stumble across a very graphic/intense description of sexual violence, I always spend the rest of the day not being able to re-block the memories that I generally try to not think about. When it's bad, I get physically nauseated to the point of throwing up, and I can't get shit done bc I end up just lying in bed trying to distract myself.
Maybe it's worse for me in the long run, idk, but I appreciate being warned before my day(s) is ruined
Idk about that. I saw a sudden car crash on TV a few years ago that left me completely sobbing. I thought I had a handle on my PTSD after my own car crash but evidently didn't. A trigger warning would have allowed me to mentally prepare for it, rather than it being bang out of nowhere here's a reminder of when your family all narrowly avoided death type of thing, but at the same time it would have likely ruined the plot point on the programme.
I think what I'm trying to say is that for some actual traumatic situations it can help you steel yourself, or choose to avoid it, but I agree that it is overused and has essentially become useless due to overuse.
My boss told me the other day that if you call 911 people might take the phone out of your hand.
Brought me back to when I was 5 and my dad was yelling at my mom and she called 911 and my dad ripped the phone out of the wall and threw it accross the room. The police came and told him he had to leave. They divorced shortly thereafter.
He was never physically abusive to me or my mom, they just were incompatible. To call it traumatic would be rather histrionic of me - it was a bad memory that had no impact on me.
The world has become so self involved that it's now acceptable to take offense to anything anyone says and make it entirely about yourself. It's so disgusting.
i'm in a historical sewing group. posts saying "i'm fat i need advice" are not allowed without CW/TWs. because i may awaken an eating disorder by saying "i'm fat" which i actually am.
And no TW for loss of mobility. They are literally talking about their mental health struggles caused by the loss of mobility and don't see any reason to warn about the topic. Just shows how performative it all is. They don't even understand what the word means.
I'm mostly annoyed by how vague the "warnings" are. TW: dog - could be someone talking about going on a jog with their dog or a post about their dog dying horribly. I just don't get the point if people won't say what's actually in the post.
I think it's added for intrigue more than helping anyone. "TW: exercise" is so pointless.
> Is exercise really so traumatic and anxiety-inducing that FA’s literally need a trigger warning so they don’t have to think about it at all?
Absolutely yes.
Every spring, when I get back on my bike, there's a particular route that's mostly downhill, with a short uphill rise, that ends at the bottom.
And I'll sprint, thinking that I have the same fitness that I did at fall/ski season. But I don't. It's different.
And I'll over do it, and for the next hour I'll feel weak and awful, and probably take a bus home, because I won't feel good for the next couple of hours.
If I was 80lbs overweight, after a couple of years of already being worn down, an overexertion situation will definitely be a crippling existential crisis. I can carry a 25 lbs back pack, but an 80lb pack is meant for the fittest of fit army rangers, that one can take off at the end of the day. I could probably do an 80lb pack for a walk around the block, and that would be enough for me.
I found a 3/4" sheet of plywood. It has plastic laminated to it (for waterproofness). It weighed probably 80-90lbs, and I carried it 6 or 7 blocks home. It nearly killed me.
So when I see trainers put fat people on a 'regimen' I shake my head. I get it. They get paid to do what they do, but IMO, the best exercises for these kinds of people, that overweight, is literally to walk around the block. That's it. Like medication. 1x around the block, 3x day. Generally after meals. That's enough. They'll be wiped out.
>So when I see trainers put fat people on a 'regimen' I shake my head. I get it.
The thing that finally put me off weight loss shows was an episode of My 600lb life where a woman who was, as the title promised, far in excess of 600lbs was being made to do a fairly intensive workout in the gym. Sure, she was only walking on a treadmill, but her body was falling to pieces as she was doing it - this woman was at *imminent* risk of a heart attack.
It was so medically against all sense to be "pushing" someone who is one gasp away from a heart attack that I just couldn't encourage them with my views anymore.
That woman could lose *lbs* a day by eating "a lot more than the average person". That's where they should have started - running her around a gym is risking a human being's life for views.
I watch a trash show called "My Big Fat Fabulous Life" She's fat, but she's an awful person first.
One fake episode was about her wanting to become a trainer, so she 'trained' a fat person fatter than her in an intro session. She had this fat person, about 400lbs do 1.7mph on a tread mill, which is really slow, and you could see the fat person wither, but not collapse, in about 10 minutes.
Here's the thing... This same 'trainer' person who was about 350lbsndid a 5km 'run' in 1:10, which is about 1.7mph and struggled a ton, all to dramatic effect while her 70 year old dad walked with her the entire time encouraging her.
The point I am trying to make, is that everyone, including fat people all buy into the delusion somewhat that fat people are just as able bodied as everyone else should they want to be.
But the reality is, they are disabled, and those limitations need to be considered in an exercise program.
As to those 600lbs people, I agree with Dr Now, a balanced and nutritious r/1200isplenty and they're not going to die of hunger, even though their psychology tells them so, and there's literally nothing else that needs/should be done to reduce weight.
If its the woman I'm thinking of, meltdown over a rented car, that wasn't prescribed by Dr Now just that she exercise. But also she was surprisingly mobile for about 700lbs
That's the one - and yeah I was amazed she was actually up and about.
And you're right, it wasn't prescribed by Dr Now (he'd definitely know that was a risk) - the producers clearly sent her to a gym, and it was a "fitness instructor" making her do it, which was why I responded that post as it was talking about how fitness instructors are essentially paid to do that and will do it without being competent to assess if it's medically appropriate.
I love Dr Now but those show runners are messed up. Paying people extra for shower scenes, encouraging overeating at the start, the worst possible camera angles, generating embarrassing situations, etc. The doctor is funny and I love the episodes where people succeed but there are a lot of not cool choices happening for more views.
Yeah, I don't like the whole "1200 calories, lots of exercise" thing Dr. Now does. I know the idea is to get their weight down fast, but to go from eating 12,000 calories per day to 1200 is a MASSIVE ask, and that's probably why so many of them fail.
When I started my weight loss, I did it little by little, whittling down until I went from eating about 3000 cals to 1500 cals, and I didn't start exercising until I'd lost about 40 lbs, which gave me back mobility. But since it was slow, it never felt like I was depriving myself, and lo and behold: it worked.
I completely agree.
When I eat 1200 I get faint regularly and I was 1/15th of the weight of these people at my heaviest, and not in any kind of metabolic dysfunction.
To be fair, one of the reasons Dr Now does it is because it puts them in a lower risk category for a surgery, so I can understand why, and I don't think he actually prescribes the exercise I think that's something the show does (I mean most of them are immobile, so I don't think they'd be able to safely prescribe any kind of exercise program).
I have to report you for mentioning bikes, which can be used for exercise, without a trigger working. You should start your comment with
TW: mentions equipment that can be used for exercise.
Yes. I know people like this. They get upset if you talk about your workout or any kind of diet you’re on. I’m sorry but you need to be working past that trigger in therapy. People will talk about their workouts or diets and you’re gonna need to be able to listen without a meltdown.
I have a friend where on my (private, friends only) Twitter I have to tw exercise and any mentions of weight loss and has questioned my mental status for wanting to lose weight so...yeah it's pretty bad. They're generally pretty nice, but I do wonder how things will shake out the closer I get to my goal weight.
>I have to
But you don't. Really. It's that simple.
I don't want to be rude here but I really have no idea how people like you even function. Why are you giving in to a despot who dictates you what you can write on your own personal page?
Not the person who replied to you, but as an oldish lady, I really hope you find the strength in you and learn to say no. For me the best way of doing it is being polite but firm. Rooting for you!
Yeah and you see you have enough of your own problems - you are not required to take on yourself problems of others and accomodate them on top of that. Of course everyone has to be considerate of others, but when someone basically orders you to control and modify behavior in your own space because they might accidentally feel bad one time - that is just throwing mental labor on you, and you are under no obligation to carry it out for them.
But as always hardest step to make it better is realisation what's wrong and that you seem to have figured out, so it will only be easier from that point on:) good luck and I'm really wishing you get stronger, believe me life gets so much easier when you don't feel like you have to accomodate everyone's problems and complaints
Pointing out to a person an issue they struggle with, and taking additional effort to make sure they don't take it wrong way is rude and "abrasive" to you.
Very telling that you got offended on behalf of the person I talked to, who took my point without any problem whatsoever. Oh what would the world do without you. (Now I am rude, and even abrasive)
Hey, maybe you should just calmly take the constructive criticism since I'm just pointing out an issue you probably struggle with (that issue being phrasing things politely).
In no world is "I don't understand how people like you even function" a kind or gentle way to say anything. If you really cared about making sure someone doesn't take something the wrong way, you'd easily be able to find a nicer way to say it. And the fact that the person you were talking to didn't snap back just means they have better manners than you do, lol.
It's interesting that you think I was offended. I really just think you're a great example of a kind of non-self aware behavior that's mildly entertaining.
Ngl I think it's good they have a TW , exercise can be super triggering for people with certain EDs, where they have the urge to just exercise and exercise to an unhealthy amount. But also I doubt this is who they're giving a TW for
Hey if you're gonna mention bicycles, could you put a TW for athletic equipment. The idea of moving my body causes me immense stress.
/s if not obvious
The comments did suggest light activities like water aerobics and yoga, but it's still very frustrating to me that losing some weight is completely off the table. In the minds of the FA crowd, you can only gain muscle to improve your stamina/mobility, but you're not allowed to lose some weight.
The FA crowd is the exact opposite of a "safe space". I'm critical of "safe spaces" since people only use them to complain about their issues, and don't actually want really advice to change for the better and/or gets upset when someone improves on something (crabs in a bucket mentality).
It's heartbreaking.
OOP seems to have no one to turn to, other than the people who have cheered her on for her to get this far.
I really hope that she figures out that there are other communities out there that will support her and her need for ~~joyful~~ basic everyday movement.
Exactly how badly has OOP been brain-washed?
Fuck. I know that we all think FA/HEAS have a cult mentality...
BUT THIS IS ACTUALLY A MOTHER FUCKING ASS CULT!!!
OOP has to crawl to the Powers that Be to ask how OOP could get in better health just to LIVE...And then they proceed think that the ask might be offensive.
It's close to "take a drug overdose so you can get on the spaceship" level brainwashing - the difference being that with fat acceptance, no one is living in a compound, having every aspect of their life controlled, and being worn down mentally over a period of years. Instead, it's denial doing most of the heavy lifting. Goes to show how powerful denial and an internet echo chamber (and a handful of predatory grifters) can be.
its always genuinely kind of depressing to me when i see one of these kinds of posts where a person just wants to improve their quality of life or something perfectly reasonable like that because ive seen the responses these get every time, crabs in a bucket
OK if you are fat and have limited mobility, you need to lose weight. Chances are someone else will have to move you and it's a courtesy to the backs of others when you can't carry your own weight
If someone is actually this scared about asking a question as simple as exercise, it should be a sign that maybe these people aren't your supporters and friends? Just maybe?
A couple weeks back there was a woman (of course part of the FA crowd) who said that being able to properly wipe yourself is "ableist". She would definitely find it offensive to be able to walk around a grocery store on your own.
I genuinely want to know at what point will the FA crowd recognize that excessive weight hinders multiple aspects of your life.
The OOP appears to be a relatively young woman and is already having mobility issues. No one should have these concerns and issues until much later in life (my grandparents are in their 80s and now are complaining about their mobility, which makes sense).
Can someone also tell me how this is "offensive"?
How big is oop to where they are having mobility issues in their 30's?
I have had to help my 87 year old grandmother get up when she fell (she fell lots of times) but she was able to get up with minimal assistance (mostly using me for balance.
ARFID is a legitimate eating disorder completely independent of the quantity of food that you eat. Buuuuut and it’s a pretty big but I highly doubt she has it as it reeks of an excuse for her over eating even though I believe it’s a bad excuse and the metaphorical chickens will be coming home to roost in the near future
You can't throw a dart without hitting an FA who says they have ARFID. Like atypical AN and "AuDHD" (a term I hate with the fire of a thousand suns), ARFID is one of the disorders they've all diagnosed themselves with.
It’s not independent of quantity. It’s right there in the name: avoidant/ *restrictive*. Weight loss or failure to gain is one of the diagnostic criteria.
ARFID does not require weight loss it can have weight loss or nutritional deficiencies and given the frequent sensory involvement because of ASD that can be the driver of the restrictions
ARFID is usually diagnosed in childhood. At one point it was exclusively a disorder of childhood but the age criteria was changed when they adjusted it for the new DSM. They usually see a doctor because of weight loss or failure to gain. The vast majority of the time this is the first sign and it’s after that that nutritional deficiencies are discovered. Yes there is wriggle room in the criteria for nutritional deficiency alone but it’s the kind of deficiency that would make someone very obviously sick. Restrictive refers to the amount of food, not just the type. The chances that someone with ARFID is also super morbidly obese are so low that it’s lottery odds. Carissa is just a big fat liar with a TikTok self diagnosis.
Yeah but with the rise of adult diagnoses of autism spectrum disorder there has been a rise in adult ARFID diagnoses, while it is not required a significant weight loss is just a contributing factor.
An FA woman got fat to the point where she couldn't wipe her own ass. She realized that it wasn't just her - that all the super-fats had the same issue, but they never mentioned it anywhere. She got pissed off and started ranting about that all over the web. That set off a hilarious chaotic mess where other FAs went either "stop, you're making us look bad" or "being able to wipe your own ass is overrated, actually."
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Yo but like real talk: ever since I got my bidet im fr fr on the “wiping your ass is overrated” train and…and…wait a minute, what sub am I on again?
Oh. Oh no. No no no.
What a terrible day to have eyes, reading comprehension and a vivid imagination
FA posted she wanted to lose weight because she couldn't wipe her own ass. One of the more infamous ones threw a multi day, multi social media tantrum about it, calling her a pick me bitch and a mean girl hater. Then wrote a whole emotionally manipulative post about how she had not been able to do so since 2020 and had forced everyone she knows to accommodate this. You wouldn't be able to waterboard that out of a lot of disabled people.
To be fair a lot of people experience mobility issues in their 30s due to a lack of mobility training! However it would not be to the extent of an overweight person. It’s like imagine the mobility of a 30 year old ADDED to obesity. Must be hard.
Barring another health condition, healthy weight individuals in their thirties should not be experiencing mobility issues. You might not be quite as flexible as you were in your twenties, but regular stretching will fix that, and that slight loss in flexibility shouldn't actually hinder your ability to perform tasks outside of a yoga studio. You might also find that you're stiff or have some back and neck pain in the morning, but, again, stretching or changing sleep position should take care of that. The fact that we're seeing so many people in their thirties complain about mobility issues is a direct result of 2/3 of the population being overweight or obese.
I actually work with a PT who specialises in mobility, and also follow a mobility specialist- a large majority of the Western population do not do any mobility work in their exercise or stretching, and therefore experience mobility issues. By this I mean in a medical sense, not that they can’t walk etc but that they may struggle to do certain things.
Loss of flexibility is a mobility issue, and yes it is massively impacted by obesity but also massively by lack of mobility WORK. Even those who exercise often won’t do any mobility work, particularly men, or stretch, and these issues come to bite them in their thirties.
I agree they should not be experiencing mobility issues at a healthy weight. The reason people do is because they do not do any mobility work or stretch, and most people work sedentary jobs. Does this explain my point better? :)
It’s offensive to them because if they’re honest with themselves, they’d have to take accountability for having caused themselves to become immobile.
They’re not wanting to be accountable for their actions.
my 70+ year old grandmother is more physically capable then these people it baffles me how they think this is at all a sustainable lifestyle, hell they probaly wont even make it to 40
I think they’ve already realised it, however, they can’t take away such a core part of their own identity. The way we can tell what’s happening is the sudden jarring change to other forms of content and stuff
No. It’s not the extra weight hindering their lives! It’s the fact that the fat-phobic world insists that all people be able to move themselves. Movement is fat-phobic! Tell all your friends!
I know the high I got when I did mountain climbers for the first time, from someone who could barely hold a plank, or a triceps dip without struggle was nothing compared to the liberation of struggling up a few flights of stairs oh wait
It's really telling how hair-trigger offended the FA community can be when people asking genuine questions about how to exercise as a fat person have to sugar coat it with apologies and trigger warnings. Even exercise?? Not even the dreaded IWL? It sounds like such a stressful community to be in, having to self-police everything.
I managed to sneak into this group years ago when there weren't security questions. Looking at the new security questions makes it so hard and frustrating to get into this group. You are always walking on eggshells just to make everyone else happy and not "offended".
I want to know how people can continue to support this group
I can't specify the group online, but they have measures against tons of people that want to join.
You have to determine what kind of fat person you are (ex. mid-size, small-fat), you need to send a full body photo of yourself to the admin team, you need to explain why you support FA, etc.
It sounds similar to a lot of Facebook groups trying to keep out trolls - I used to be in one for screencapping incel rhetoric, and our application questions were very basic, but people would still blow them and we ended up having posts that were about *applicants* who were apparently incels themselves. One of them was "how many genders are there" and literally all you had to do was give an answer more inclusive than 2. You wouldn't believe how many people went on an anti-woke rant *in the answer box* or even answered that there's 1 gender because women are property not gendered people.
The overall tone of this feels to me like this person is asking permission from the hive mind to do something she knows will benefit her. How very, very culty.
It really is. She’s crying out for permission to do what she feels she must do to survive and seems afraid of being shunned and shamed by her peers for doing so.
In the FA world is going for a walk a “literal hate crime”? Somebody talking about exercise shouldn’t be “trigger”, “offensive” or make anyone feel bad. This is the weirdest death cult where everyone seems to want or at least allow themselves to look like Jaba the Hut.
According to the FA crowd, being able to take care of yourself properly (ex. walking without a scooter, wiping yourself) is ableist. These people are trying their hardest to be victims no matter what.
JFC. “Delete… if offensive.” This person needs to get out of this space and back to reality. This is why I just *cannot* with FAs — there’s so much entitlement to everyone else’s health and bodies. OOP is out here apologizing for wanting to live their damn life? Wtf.
I mean, good on this person for waking up. But why the hell are they seeking advice from folks who get potentially offended about exercise? The internet is a vast place.
They've probably left every other space on the internet due to "rampant fatphobia," and they're still too brainwashed to go back. A classic cult technique is to convince members that everybody else has it out for them, so that even when they want to leave, they're terrified of the rest of the world.
It honestly disturbs me how I've come across more than one post like this (though usually more related to weight-related joint pain from someone under 40) and seen multiple people in the comment sections either try to dissuade the person from intentional weight loss by claiming the cause may be from something else entirely that their (ignorant and fatphobic) doctor wasn't diagnosing correctly, or try to advise them to "do stretches" instead of adopting more prominent lifestyle changes that would lead to weight loss.
Or if there comments that supported the notion of intentional weight loss, it would be followed by something like, "intentional weight loss is fine IF-" followed by a bunch of disclaimers about things like diet culture, starvation, or fatphobia. Like they're so scared of triggering or enraging someone else that even when some of them \*do\* acknowledge that IWL has actual health benefits, they can't bring it up in conversation without sandwiching it between a bunch of disclaimers to avoid upsetting the egos of their fellow cult members.
If the thing you want to do is walk, then the solution is to get up and go walk. Go walk for 5 minutes, then 10, then 20, then an hour, then two hours.
I find it insane that these people feel like they need permission to exercise from the FA crowd because they don't want to "offend" anyone.
I thought the FA crowd wanted women to have body autonomy and do whatever they want? So if someone wants to exercise, for whatever reason they choose to (ex. lose weight), then they shouldn't get shitted on right?
Here's some honest advice - if you feel you can't ask a very reasonable question without trigger warnings and fear of offending someone this might not be the right place for you. There are enough spaces where you can talk about fitness, mobility, rehab, physiotherapy etc. without fear.
As a morbidly obese person with reduced mobility, like I had to be redeployed over it, no this isn't empowering.
I wouldn't have gotten to this stage if I had the medical support I needed prior to getting worse as yes it is down to a medical issue, but also if I had actually gotten into the right frame of kind years ago to lose weight. It's now much harder to lose weight when there is a medical condition which prevents it and chronic back issues which makes genral living hard.
Being this size isn't fun, it's hell, it makes me so angry when people think being morbidly obese is healthy, it's not.
Last sentence is what terrifies me the most tbh.
Some folks have lives falling apart around their own eyes, but rather stew and wallow in denial. Damn, am I glad I caught myself early enough to come off relatively unscathed.
If idea of being able to do even basic daily tasks is triggering to one, you need help. A LOT of help.
This is why I'm closed off and contribute very little to discussion about fitness and weight. I'm fit, vanity is not important to me, my goal is to maintain good health and mobility into old age. Beyond that, I enjoy my lifestyle, my dietary habits and activity level are part of who I am. I don't ever expect compliments but sure don't like being told I'm privileged with good genetics, a fast metabolism or the time to work on myself.
Physical and mental health are very intertwined. I'm positive that the OOP has been ignoring her physical health by staying obese, that her mental health as finally reached its limit. Realistically, no one in the FA crowd has good mental health since they are very delusional and continue to use food for emotional/stress eating.
No matter how often these people act like they are in a good mental headspace, they are still unhealthy by remaining obese and it will only get worse.
I sincerely want to know why they say they want exercises when we know you can't outrun a bad diet. They need a better diet and when they start to shed pounds then they can start to add in exercise if they are truly that immobile. And no one should ever have to apologize for asking for help. It's ridiculous
I'm done helping fat people with anything unless they are trying to lose weight. I'm not going to lift a finger for someone who won't put down the fork.
I made the mistake of helping a guy off the ground and I hurt my back a little because he decided cheeseburgers were more important than being able to get up off the ground.
OOP is on the right track. If she gets far enough with exercise she will have to realize that a change in diet is necessary. And yeah she should drop the trigger warnings and reach out to people that will actually support her.
I mean can you regain mobility with exercise? Yes there are numerous exercises you can do provided you’re not super morbidly obese. However, will gaining weight eventually lead to the loss in mobility? Yup in severe cases yup or even in not so severe cases.
It never ceases to amaze me to watch a FA not make the connection that losing mobility could possibly be the result of carrying an extra 100 pounds around at all times.
At this point, the use of “TW” or “CW” is just preempting me to skip over that paragraph.
Here’s a fucking TW for them: “TW mewlings a broken down millennial or zoomer”
"Delete if **offensive**," holy shit, that's depressing.
"Shut me down if my desperate need for help with my failing body makes you feel self conscious about your own body." My biggest Yikes ever.
>TW questions about exercise Are you fucking kidding me?? Is exercise really so traumatic and anxiety-inducing that FA’s literally need a trigger warning so they don’t have to think about it at all? Yikes on bikes.
I wrote somewhere else that I despise the trend of CW/TW because people misuse them all of the time (not just the FA crowd). People use them with \*anything\* that may make someone upset or have a bad memory.
Right? Like if your mental health is so fragile, encountering the topic of exercise makes you have ptsd flashbacks, the internet is not a place for you right now. Oh? You just mean it makes you uncomfortable? Then it’s not a trigger warning, is it? Byeeeee
Like I wasn't that good in gym class and was bad at exercising, so I have \*some\* negative memories and experiences back in the day. But it doesn't mean it falls under a "trigger" or "PTSD". People (not just the FA crowd) really misuse this trend all of the time since it now means that it can be applied to anything that may involve a negative memory/emotion.
Yesss, and “trigger” is also mis-used the way I see/hear it so often by people who think the rest of the world is going to capitulate to every person’s specific triggers and never trigger them again. We all have things that make us feel bad, but it’s our responsibility to deal with those things, not everyone else’s responsibility to shield us from them. Edit: fixed typo
I have a trigger related to doing a specific yoga move due to a teacher saying my knees were too high and trying to shove them lower with his body weight. Reading about yoga or seeing others do it is a nonissue, though.
Your trainer is stupid, you don't force other people into stretches like that. It causes injury and it's not helpful at all.
Gym teacher, not anyone who was actually qualified, and yeah I realized at the time it didn't seem to be helpful. Hence me being supportive of people who only want to exercise in ways that don't remind them of gym class but who don't want to avoid it entirely.
I remember literally crying my eyes out at school because I was so far behind everyone else in a cross country race. I sucked SO hard at every sport. I enjoy cycling as an adult, and my wife is always saying “why don’t you join a club?” But I never will because I hate the idea of having to keep up with others or racing. But let’s be real: none of this counts as “trauma”, and to label it as such would be insulting to people who have endured really awful things.
As someone with a traumatic past, feeling mildly uncomfortable is not what a TW is for. It's for the likes of PTSD where without it, you risk having a fucking meltdown. Fuck these people.
It sure does trigger them into anger, though, Virgie Tovar being the most prominent offender in that regard.
Mmh, I tend to tag my stuff extensively and I feel like. It's not that big of a deal? Like there is such a thing to be said about curating your experience. If you know a topic is going to ick you out, not even trigger you or massively irritate you, why not avoid it? Like i feel this doesn't apply to stuff like exercise cause that's just ridiculous, it's something you NEED to do and do everyday even if you don't realise, but for stuff like worms, homophobia, idk snakes, violence...
Yeah, but what happens when someone’s “trigger” is trigger warnings themselves? I’m all for a TW for rape, CSA, things that are truly triggering for many people. But a TW for worms? That’s going too far.
I feel like it kind of depends on what’s being discussed? Like if it’s a really detailed horror-type drawing of someone being eaten by worms or something, I think putting a CW (content warning, not trigger warning) is sensible. But yeah I probably wouldn’t warn people about it if I was just talking about my favourite worm species or those worm-on-a-string toys or something
Yeah I mean I was just saying that cause I'm in the tma fandom and discussions of worms very often involves them crawling all over someone or burrowing in skin and other gross stuff. Some people in the fandom are tired of seeing that understandably
What does that even mean? This is a nonsensical argument. Do you mean that the mere knowledge someone wants to warn on the content they're putting out is a trigger for you?
I get the feeling you think most arguments you’re involved in are nonsensical.
I also tag extensively on sites that allow it because I know there's topics I want to avoid and if I can help people avoid things that ick them, I will. But that's the difference between a TW and a CW
It doesn’t matter if it’s a “big deal” or not, it’s just a silly practice. If someone doesn’t want to read about a topic, they can stop rather than you refund to guess whatever topics some random person might want a warning about.
It takes me maximum ten seconds per post to assess what topics might be potentially problematic in what I'm saying and tag them appropriately. If it's no bother to me and it might help people then what's the issue? Also, if the post/comment is short enough the first mention of the icky thing might be the only one
You can post titles, warnings everything this thread contains spiders, people will still be screaming about how arachnophobic they are. I think some things genuinely need them and I would put them on common phobias etc. But I'm not going to go watch free climbing videos to trigger my fear of heights, I want that kind of adrenaline rush I'll try to pet my cat. At some point you have to take responsibility
When I was a dumb, sheltered teenager trying to be a less-sheltered teenager, I’d look at things that upset me to try and toughen myself up. You know what I what I’d never have dreamed of doing? Shame people for the content I sought out, or even the content I accidentally stumbled upon, even if it upset me. If a teenager can get that the internet isn’t just for them, why can’t these people?
I personally don't use "TWs" since they are your own responsibility, and you can't depend on the internet to protect your fragile mind. Where exactly is the cut off? Because people get upset about everything and every topic now requires a "TW", which is super silly, especially for something like exercise.
My cutoff for TWs is “would it get an R rating.” That’s pretty much it. If I’m gonna bring gore, slurs, or sexual assault into the conversation, I’m gonna let someone know so they don’t have to dive into it.
I can understand and support that at least
Eh, a content warning for sexual violence or other kinds of serious violence makes sense in some cases.
Yeah, I think a reasonable person standard is fair in these situations. If stumbling across details of something could ruin a reasonable person’s day, adding some sort of warning instead of just blindsiding people with it is just considerate. For instance, if I’m going to actually tell someone exactly what kind of child porn Josh Duggar had, I’m going to warn people first. I will tell people because I think it’s important that people know exactly how sick it was to give the guy no plausible deniability when it comes to being a monster, but it’s going to blindside a lot of people, so it needs a warning.
I generally agree with you but I personally find it polite to warn people if I’m about to go into something about sexual violence, just cause it’s not only horrible but probably the most common big-T Trauma amongst civilians
I agree on that, one of the books I've ever thrown at a wall was Benedict Bridgerton's for that reason. It's such a common thing, warn about it
For me common phobias that do trigger panic attacks in people, I love my little many legged friends, I get why many don't, and truly horrendous things that are going to upset most people. I couldn't buy clothes from the trendy slaving operation, this is genocide not so much
Oh, I thought you were saying the trendy slaving operation was one of the horrendous things and I was about to strongly agree with you. I wish more people were more triggered by that lol
I mean temu and shien are horrendous, as are the 3woke5you champagne socialists shilling them while saying they need to make bigger sizes. They're just gluttony incarnate
I feel it trivialises a very real symptom of post traumatic stress disorder. When someone with PTSD is triggered by something they’re not there conscious in that moment they’re remembering whatever trauma happened to them. PTSD is a messed up condition
I tend to agree. As a former anorexic, I encountered a lot of things on the Internet that DID trigger me into relapse. Remember Tumblr circa 2011? Pro-Ana content was everywhere. Ultimately it became my responsibility to take myself off that site, so I did until I knew I could handle it without spiraling. I appreciate TWs for graphic or vulgar things, but things that may mildly upset someone? Give me a break.
Thank you for taking the responsibility. Too many “recover” by just avoiding everything and never getting over it.
I knew a person who used TW before talking about poor people…
I've commented here before that a growing body of evidence shows that TW are actually harmful. Until research shows they actually help, I'll never use one.
OOP is a growing body of evidence that obesity is unhealthy and they can outrun the cult simply by logging out and walking away.
I don't know a single person that actually benefits from one. It's been a trend in the past decade because mental health is now popular. People think "TW" is good for mental health, I guess?
I’ve been helped by TWs. As someone who’s a survivor of SA and has PTSD, just reading some words can trigger a lying on the bathroom floor sobbing-type meltdown. TWs protect people like me and I’m grateful when I see them. Sure people can take it a little far, but tbh that’s not something I’d lose sleep over.
I think with extreme subjects (like sexual violence), maybe it's bad psychologically or something, but I still appreciate people warning me before I read something that ruins my day. If I stumble across a very graphic/intense description of sexual violence, I always spend the rest of the day not being able to re-block the memories that I generally try to not think about. When it's bad, I get physically nauseated to the point of throwing up, and I can't get shit done bc I end up just lying in bed trying to distract myself. Maybe it's worse for me in the long run, idk, but I appreciate being warned before my day(s) is ruined
Idk about that. I saw a sudden car crash on TV a few years ago that left me completely sobbing. I thought I had a handle on my PTSD after my own car crash but evidently didn't. A trigger warning would have allowed me to mentally prepare for it, rather than it being bang out of nowhere here's a reminder of when your family all narrowly avoided death type of thing, but at the same time it would have likely ruined the plot point on the programme. I think what I'm trying to say is that for some actual traumatic situations it can help you steel yourself, or choose to avoid it, but I agree that it is overused and has essentially become useless due to overuse.
My boss told me the other day that if you call 911 people might take the phone out of your hand. Brought me back to when I was 5 and my dad was yelling at my mom and she called 911 and my dad ripped the phone out of the wall and threw it accross the room. The police came and told him he had to leave. They divorced shortly thereafter. He was never physically abusive to me or my mom, they just were incompatible. To call it traumatic would be rather histrionic of me - it was a bad memory that had no impact on me.
The world has become so self involved that it's now acceptable to take offense to anything anyone says and make it entirely about yourself. It's so disgusting.
I was the kid who sucked at PE too, but a mean lady with a whistle is not making me do sit ups anymore.
i'm in a historical sewing group. posts saying "i'm fat i need advice" are not allowed without CW/TWs. because i may awaken an eating disorder by saying "i'm fat" which i actually am.
>Yikes on bikes Bikes? You didn't put TW and now I'm triggered. /s
Yeah, what about those of us who prefer our yikes on trikes? Inclusivity matters!!
And no TW for loss of mobility. They are literally talking about their mental health struggles caused by the loss of mobility and don't see any reason to warn about the topic. Just shows how performative it all is. They don't even understand what the word means.
I'm mostly annoyed by how vague the "warnings" are. TW: dog - could be someone talking about going on a jog with their dog or a post about their dog dying horribly. I just don't get the point if people won't say what's actually in the post. I think it's added for intrigue more than helping anyone. "TW: exercise" is so pointless.
> Is exercise really so traumatic and anxiety-inducing that FA’s literally need a trigger warning so they don’t have to think about it at all? Absolutely yes. Every spring, when I get back on my bike, there's a particular route that's mostly downhill, with a short uphill rise, that ends at the bottom. And I'll sprint, thinking that I have the same fitness that I did at fall/ski season. But I don't. It's different. And I'll over do it, and for the next hour I'll feel weak and awful, and probably take a bus home, because I won't feel good for the next couple of hours. If I was 80lbs overweight, after a couple of years of already being worn down, an overexertion situation will definitely be a crippling existential crisis. I can carry a 25 lbs back pack, but an 80lb pack is meant for the fittest of fit army rangers, that one can take off at the end of the day. I could probably do an 80lb pack for a walk around the block, and that would be enough for me. I found a 3/4" sheet of plywood. It has plastic laminated to it (for waterproofness). It weighed probably 80-90lbs, and I carried it 6 or 7 blocks home. It nearly killed me. So when I see trainers put fat people on a 'regimen' I shake my head. I get it. They get paid to do what they do, but IMO, the best exercises for these kinds of people, that overweight, is literally to walk around the block. That's it. Like medication. 1x around the block, 3x day. Generally after meals. That's enough. They'll be wiped out.
>So when I see trainers put fat people on a 'regimen' I shake my head. I get it. The thing that finally put me off weight loss shows was an episode of My 600lb life where a woman who was, as the title promised, far in excess of 600lbs was being made to do a fairly intensive workout in the gym. Sure, she was only walking on a treadmill, but her body was falling to pieces as she was doing it - this woman was at *imminent* risk of a heart attack. It was so medically against all sense to be "pushing" someone who is one gasp away from a heart attack that I just couldn't encourage them with my views anymore. That woman could lose *lbs* a day by eating "a lot more than the average person". That's where they should have started - running her around a gym is risking a human being's life for views.
I watch a trash show called "My Big Fat Fabulous Life" She's fat, but she's an awful person first. One fake episode was about her wanting to become a trainer, so she 'trained' a fat person fatter than her in an intro session. She had this fat person, about 400lbs do 1.7mph on a tread mill, which is really slow, and you could see the fat person wither, but not collapse, in about 10 minutes. Here's the thing... This same 'trainer' person who was about 350lbsndid a 5km 'run' in 1:10, which is about 1.7mph and struggled a ton, all to dramatic effect while her 70 year old dad walked with her the entire time encouraging her. The point I am trying to make, is that everyone, including fat people all buy into the delusion somewhat that fat people are just as able bodied as everyone else should they want to be. But the reality is, they are disabled, and those limitations need to be considered in an exercise program. As to those 600lbs people, I agree with Dr Now, a balanced and nutritious r/1200isplenty and they're not going to die of hunger, even though their psychology tells them so, and there's literally nothing else that needs/should be done to reduce weight.
If its the woman I'm thinking of, meltdown over a rented car, that wasn't prescribed by Dr Now just that she exercise. But also she was surprisingly mobile for about 700lbs
That's the one - and yeah I was amazed she was actually up and about. And you're right, it wasn't prescribed by Dr Now (he'd definitely know that was a risk) - the producers clearly sent her to a gym, and it was a "fitness instructor" making her do it, which was why I responded that post as it was talking about how fitness instructors are essentially paid to do that and will do it without being competent to assess if it's medically appropriate.
I love Dr Now but those show runners are messed up. Paying people extra for shower scenes, encouraging overeating at the start, the worst possible camera angles, generating embarrassing situations, etc. The doctor is funny and I love the episodes where people succeed but there are a lot of not cool choices happening for more views.
Yeah, I don't like the whole "1200 calories, lots of exercise" thing Dr. Now does. I know the idea is to get their weight down fast, but to go from eating 12,000 calories per day to 1200 is a MASSIVE ask, and that's probably why so many of them fail. When I started my weight loss, I did it little by little, whittling down until I went from eating about 3000 cals to 1500 cals, and I didn't start exercising until I'd lost about 40 lbs, which gave me back mobility. But since it was slow, it never felt like I was depriving myself, and lo and behold: it worked.
I completely agree. When I eat 1200 I get faint regularly and I was 1/15th of the weight of these people at my heaviest, and not in any kind of metabolic dysfunction. To be fair, one of the reasons Dr Now does it is because it puts them in a lower risk category for a surgery, so I can understand why, and I don't think he actually prescribes the exercise I think that's something the show does (I mean most of them are immobile, so I don't think they'd be able to safely prescribe any kind of exercise program).
Its hard to find bikes with a weight limit over 300 pounds.
Please add TW for mention of the word >!bikes!<
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I have to report you for mentioning bikes, which can be used for exercise, without a trigger working. You should start your comment with TW: mentions equipment that can be used for exercise.
Its 2024, this is the era of victim olympics. We have to be upset about something at least once a day or we arent worthy.
Yes. I know people like this. They get upset if you talk about your workout or any kind of diet you’re on. I’m sorry but you need to be working past that trigger in therapy. People will talk about their workouts or diets and you’re gonna need to be able to listen without a meltdown.
I have a friend where on my (private, friends only) Twitter I have to tw exercise and any mentions of weight loss and has questioned my mental status for wanting to lose weight so...yeah it's pretty bad. They're generally pretty nice, but I do wonder how things will shake out the closer I get to my goal weight.
>I have to But you don't. Really. It's that simple. I don't want to be rude here but I really have no idea how people like you even function. Why are you giving in to a despot who dictates you what you can write on your own personal page?
Fair, I'm fully aware that I'm a chronic pushover and people pleaser. It's just something I personally struggle with for a variety of reasons.
Not the person who replied to you, but as an oldish lady, I really hope you find the strength in you and learn to say no. For me the best way of doing it is being polite but firm. Rooting for you!
Yeah and you see you have enough of your own problems - you are not required to take on yourself problems of others and accomodate them on top of that. Of course everyone has to be considerate of others, but when someone basically orders you to control and modify behavior in your own space because they might accidentally feel bad one time - that is just throwing mental labor on you, and you are under no obligation to carry it out for them. But as always hardest step to make it better is realisation what's wrong and that you seem to have figured out, so it will only be easier from that point on:) good luck and I'm really wishing you get stronger, believe me life gets so much easier when you don't feel like you have to accomodate everyone's problems and complaints
"I don't want to be rude"... Proceeds to be terribly rude If you're going to be an abrasive butthead just own it, lol
Pointing out to a person an issue they struggle with, and taking additional effort to make sure they don't take it wrong way is rude and "abrasive" to you. Very telling that you got offended on behalf of the person I talked to, who took my point without any problem whatsoever. Oh what would the world do without you. (Now I am rude, and even abrasive)
Hey, maybe you should just calmly take the constructive criticism since I'm just pointing out an issue you probably struggle with (that issue being phrasing things politely). In no world is "I don't understand how people like you even function" a kind or gentle way to say anything. If you really cared about making sure someone doesn't take something the wrong way, you'd easily be able to find a nicer way to say it. And the fact that the person you were talking to didn't snap back just means they have better manners than you do, lol. It's interesting that you think I was offended. I really just think you're a great example of a kind of non-self aware behavior that's mildly entertaining.
Ngl I think it's good they have a TW , exercise can be super triggering for people with certain EDs, where they have the urge to just exercise and exercise to an unhealthy amount. But also I doubt this is who they're giving a TW for
Oh boy, yikes on bikes. I love that. So cool, yet so wholesome.
For FA's? Yes it is
What sub is this from?
Hey if you're gonna mention bicycles, could you put a TW for athletic equipment. The idea of moving my body causes me immense stress. /s if not obvious
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The comments did suggest light activities like water aerobics and yoga, but it's still very frustrating to me that losing some weight is completely off the table. In the minds of the FA crowd, you can only gain muscle to improve your stamina/mobility, but you're not allowed to lose some weight.
Vegetables are completely off the table. Just ask virgie Tovar.
And if I put them back *on* the table?
But isn’t going to a pool or doing yoga just contributing to the big bad *diet industry* they are always harping on?
You can go to the gym and exercise, but you can't have a weight loss goal! That is the only thing off the table!
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The FA crowd is the exact opposite of a "safe space". I'm critical of "safe spaces" since people only use them to complain about their issues, and don't actually want really advice to change for the better and/or gets upset when someone improves on something (crabs in a bucket mentality).
It's heartbreaking. OOP seems to have no one to turn to, other than the people who have cheered her on for her to get this far. I really hope that she figures out that there are other communities out there that will support her and her need for ~~joyful~~ basic everyday movement.
"tw exercise" bro is in the fitness protection program
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Exactly how badly has OOP been brain-washed? Fuck. I know that we all think FA/HEAS have a cult mentality... BUT THIS IS ACTUALLY A MOTHER FUCKING ASS CULT!!! OOP has to crawl to the Powers that Be to ask how OOP could get in better health just to LIVE...And then they proceed think that the ask might be offensive.
Not merely a cult, a full-fledged death cult. They seem to flourish in 2020s America.
It's close to "take a drug overdose so you can get on the spaceship" level brainwashing - the difference being that with fat acceptance, no one is living in a compound, having every aspect of their life controlled, and being worn down mentally over a period of years. Instead, it's denial doing most of the heavy lifting. Goes to show how powerful denial and an internet echo chamber (and a handful of predatory grifters) can be.
Given the most famous case of that at Jonestown involved most people being forced to drink it including children, it's not far off
also a lot of injection marks, IIRC.
The Heaven's Gate cult. I remember the "I was late for Heaven's Gate" t-shirts.
Ouch, how heavy must denial lift?
its always genuinely kind of depressing to me when i see one of these kinds of posts where a person just wants to improve their quality of life or something perfectly reasonable like that because ive seen the responses these get every time, crabs in a bucket
She has to crawl because when she falls she can't get up.
OK if you are fat and have limited mobility, you need to lose weight. Chances are someone else will have to move you and it's a courtesy to the backs of others when you can't carry your own weight
The fact that they’re *so* scared of asking questions about something as simple as exercise, is absolutely mad.
If someone is actually this scared about asking a question as simple as exercise, it should be a sign that maybe these people aren't your supporters and friends? Just maybe?
They think it might be offensive to want to walk around the grocery store? That’s very sad
A couple weeks back there was a woman (of course part of the FA crowd) who said that being able to properly wipe yourself is "ableist". She would definitely find it offensive to be able to walk around a grocery store on your own.
I genuinely want to know at what point will the FA crowd recognize that excessive weight hinders multiple aspects of your life. The OOP appears to be a relatively young woman and is already having mobility issues. No one should have these concerns and issues until much later in life (my grandparents are in their 80s and now are complaining about their mobility, which makes sense). Can someone also tell me how this is "offensive"?
How big is oop to where they are having mobility issues in their 30's? I have had to help my 87 year old grandmother get up when she fell (she fell lots of times) but she was able to get up with minimal assistance (mostly using me for balance.
Wipe gate woman can't be much older right?
Carissa is in her late thirties, she has avoidant restrictive food intake disorder however that doesn’t justify over eating
That is no excuse for eating as much as you do. - I have become Dr now, destroyer of fatlogic.
ARFID is a legitimate eating disorder completely independent of the quantity of food that you eat. Buuuuut and it’s a pretty big but I highly doubt she has it as it reeks of an excuse for her over eating even though I believe it’s a bad excuse and the metaphorical chickens will be coming home to roost in the near future
Even if she does have it, she's still harming her health by overeating to the point of disability.
Yes I agree she shouldn’t do that nor should she get mad at someone else for losing weight
You can't throw a dart without hitting an FA who says they have ARFID. Like atypical AN and "AuDHD" (a term I hate with the fire of a thousand suns), ARFID is one of the disorders they've all diagnosed themselves with.
My apologies, this isn’t me saying that that’s how they self identify
It’s not independent of quantity. It’s right there in the name: avoidant/ *restrictive*. Weight loss or failure to gain is one of the diagnostic criteria.
ARFID does not require weight loss it can have weight loss or nutritional deficiencies and given the frequent sensory involvement because of ASD that can be the driver of the restrictions
ARFID is usually diagnosed in childhood. At one point it was exclusively a disorder of childhood but the age criteria was changed when they adjusted it for the new DSM. They usually see a doctor because of weight loss or failure to gain. The vast majority of the time this is the first sign and it’s after that that nutritional deficiencies are discovered. Yes there is wriggle room in the criteria for nutritional deficiency alone but it’s the kind of deficiency that would make someone very obviously sick. Restrictive refers to the amount of food, not just the type. The chances that someone with ARFID is also super morbidly obese are so low that it’s lottery odds. Carissa is just a big fat liar with a TikTok self diagnosis.
Yeah but with the rise of adult diagnoses of autism spectrum disorder there has been a rise in adult ARFID diagnoses, while it is not required a significant weight loss is just a contributing factor.
Who is wipe gate woman? Did I miss something?
An FA woman got fat to the point where she couldn't wipe her own ass. She realized that it wasn't just her - that all the super-fats had the same issue, but they never mentioned it anywhere. She got pissed off and started ranting about that all over the web. That set off a hilarious chaotic mess where other FAs went either "stop, you're making us look bad" or "being able to wipe your own ass is overrated, actually." 🤡
Being able to wipe your own arse is so fucking ableist!!1eleven!
Yo but like real talk: ever since I got my bidet im fr fr on the “wiping your ass is overrated” train and…and…wait a minute, what sub am I on again? Oh. Oh no. No no no. What a terrible day to have eyes, reading comprehension and a vivid imagination
Bidets are better for sure, but losing the ability to wipe your ass is still a major concession to Fat Activism.
Yeah, I feel like that’s pretty far down the dignity hole
Ass-wiping is notoriously fat-phobic.
FA posted she wanted to lose weight because she couldn't wipe her own ass. One of the more infamous ones threw a multi day, multi social media tantrum about it, calling her a pick me bitch and a mean girl hater. Then wrote a whole emotionally manipulative post about how she had not been able to do so since 2020 and had forced everyone she knows to accommodate this. You wouldn't be able to waterboard that out of a lot of disabled people.
To be fair a lot of people experience mobility issues in their 30s due to a lack of mobility training! However it would not be to the extent of an overweight person. It’s like imagine the mobility of a 30 year old ADDED to obesity. Must be hard.
Barring another health condition, healthy weight individuals in their thirties should not be experiencing mobility issues. You might not be quite as flexible as you were in your twenties, but regular stretching will fix that, and that slight loss in flexibility shouldn't actually hinder your ability to perform tasks outside of a yoga studio. You might also find that you're stiff or have some back and neck pain in the morning, but, again, stretching or changing sleep position should take care of that. The fact that we're seeing so many people in their thirties complain about mobility issues is a direct result of 2/3 of the population being overweight or obese.
I actually work with a PT who specialises in mobility, and also follow a mobility specialist- a large majority of the Western population do not do any mobility work in their exercise or stretching, and therefore experience mobility issues. By this I mean in a medical sense, not that they can’t walk etc but that they may struggle to do certain things. Loss of flexibility is a mobility issue, and yes it is massively impacted by obesity but also massively by lack of mobility WORK. Even those who exercise often won’t do any mobility work, particularly men, or stretch, and these issues come to bite them in their thirties.
I agree they should not be experiencing mobility issues at a healthy weight. The reason people do is because they do not do any mobility work or stretch, and most people work sedentary jobs. Does this explain my point better? :)
Yes, definitely
Awesome!! ❤️ glad I could clarify
Well now you are just being ableist. Maybe her body was just not meant to move. We should be celebrating and worshiping her new body/s
It’s offensive to them because if they’re honest with themselves, they’d have to take accountability for having caused themselves to become immobile. They’re not wanting to be accountable for their actions.
my 70+ year old grandmother is more physically capable then these people it baffles me how they think this is at all a sustainable lifestyle, hell they probaly wont even make it to 40
I think they’ve already realised it, however, they can’t take away such a core part of their own identity. The way we can tell what’s happening is the sudden jarring change to other forms of content and stuff
No. It’s not the extra weight hindering their lives! It’s the fact that the fat-phobic world insists that all people be able to move themselves. Movement is fat-phobic! Tell all your friends!
This is sad AF.
I know the high I got when I did mountain climbers for the first time, from someone who could barely hold a plank, or a triceps dip without struggle was nothing compared to the liberation of struggling up a few flights of stairs oh wait
It's really telling how hair-trigger offended the FA community can be when people asking genuine questions about how to exercise as a fat person have to sugar coat it with apologies and trigger warnings. Even exercise?? Not even the dreaded IWL? It sounds like such a stressful community to be in, having to self-police everything.
I managed to sneak into this group years ago when there weren't security questions. Looking at the new security questions makes it so hard and frustrating to get into this group. You are always walking on eggshells just to make everyone else happy and not "offended". I want to know how people can continue to support this group
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I can't specify the group online, but they have measures against tons of people that want to join. You have to determine what kind of fat person you are (ex. mid-size, small-fat), you need to send a full body photo of yourself to the admin team, you need to explain why you support FA, etc.
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It sounds similar to a lot of Facebook groups trying to keep out trolls - I used to be in one for screencapping incel rhetoric, and our application questions were very basic, but people would still blow them and we ended up having posts that were about *applicants* who were apparently incels themselves. One of them was "how many genders are there" and literally all you had to do was give an answer more inclusive than 2. You wouldn't believe how many people went on an anti-woke rant *in the answer box* or even answered that there's 1 gender because women are property not gendered people.
The overall tone of this feels to me like this person is asking permission from the hive mind to do something she knows will benefit her. How very, very culty.
You can tell she's walking on eggshells. I'm not even trying to be snide or funny, it's just sad and disturbing.
It really is. She’s crying out for permission to do what she feels she must do to survive and seems afraid of being shunned and shamed by her peers for doing so.
TW: Getting out of bed
In the FA world is going for a walk a “literal hate crime”? Somebody talking about exercise shouldn’t be “trigger”, “offensive” or make anyone feel bad. This is the weirdest death cult where everyone seems to want or at least allow themselves to look like Jaba the Hut.
According to the FA crowd, being able to take care of yourself properly (ex. walking without a scooter, wiping yourself) is ableist. These people are trying their hardest to be victims no matter what.
JFC. “Delete… if offensive.” This person needs to get out of this space and back to reality. This is why I just *cannot* with FAs — there’s so much entitlement to everyone else’s health and bodies. OOP is out here apologizing for wanting to live their damn life? Wtf.
For the love of Bob Ross and all that's holy, I hope this person realizes this is a wake up call.
I mean, good on this person for waking up. But why the hell are they seeking advice from folks who get potentially offended about exercise? The internet is a vast place.
They've probably left every other space on the internet due to "rampant fatphobia," and they're still too brainwashed to go back. A classic cult technique is to convince members that everybody else has it out for them, so that even when they want to leave, they're terrified of the rest of the world.
It honestly disturbs me how I've come across more than one post like this (though usually more related to weight-related joint pain from someone under 40) and seen multiple people in the comment sections either try to dissuade the person from intentional weight loss by claiming the cause may be from something else entirely that their (ignorant and fatphobic) doctor wasn't diagnosing correctly, or try to advise them to "do stretches" instead of adopting more prominent lifestyle changes that would lead to weight loss. Or if there comments that supported the notion of intentional weight loss, it would be followed by something like, "intentional weight loss is fine IF-" followed by a bunch of disclaimers about things like diet culture, starvation, or fatphobia. Like they're so scared of triggering or enraging someone else that even when some of them \*do\* acknowledge that IWL has actual health benefits, they can't bring it up in conversation without sandwiching it between a bunch of disclaimers to avoid upsetting the egos of their fellow cult members.
If the thing you want to do is walk, then the solution is to get up and go walk. Go walk for 5 minutes, then 10, then 20, then an hour, then two hours.
I find it insane that these people feel like they need permission to exercise from the FA crowd because they don't want to "offend" anyone. I thought the FA crowd wanted women to have body autonomy and do whatever they want? So if someone wants to exercise, for whatever reason they choose to (ex. lose weight), then they shouldn't get shitted on right?
Here's some honest advice - if you feel you can't ask a very reasonable question without trigger warnings and fear of offending someone this might not be the right place for you. There are enough spaces where you can talk about fitness, mobility, rehab, physiotherapy etc. without fear.
Losing mobility? I would not only focus on starting exercise but would starts weight loss at once. That would also help with mobility and exercise.
As a morbidly obese person with reduced mobility, like I had to be redeployed over it, no this isn't empowering. I wouldn't have gotten to this stage if I had the medical support I needed prior to getting worse as yes it is down to a medical issue, but also if I had actually gotten into the right frame of kind years ago to lose weight. It's now much harder to lose weight when there is a medical condition which prevents it and chronic back issues which makes genral living hard. Being this size isn't fun, it's hell, it makes me so angry when people think being morbidly obese is healthy, it's not.
Last sentence is what terrifies me the most tbh. Some folks have lives falling apart around their own eyes, but rather stew and wallow in denial. Damn, am I glad I caught myself early enough to come off relatively unscathed. If idea of being able to do even basic daily tasks is triggering to one, you need help. A LOT of help.
> anyone have links or advice? Put the fork down.
Straightforward
This is why I'm closed off and contribute very little to discussion about fitness and weight. I'm fit, vanity is not important to me, my goal is to maintain good health and mobility into old age. Beyond that, I enjoy my lifestyle, my dietary habits and activity level are part of who I am. I don't ever expect compliments but sure don't like being told I'm privileged with good genetics, a fast metabolism or the time to work on myself.
"Delete if not allowed or if offensive." What the fuck is offensive about that!
I have yet to get a solid answer when I also asked myself why it's offensive
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Physical and mental health are very intertwined. I'm positive that the OOP has been ignoring her physical health by staying obese, that her mental health as finally reached its limit. Realistically, no one in the FA crowd has good mental health since they are very delusional and continue to use food for emotional/stress eating. No matter how often these people act like they are in a good mental headspace, they are still unhealthy by remaining obese and it will only get worse.
Sadly, this person is in an echo chamber that will not give them the advice they need.
Why does everything need a TW? TW this. TW That. Jesus Christ. Do I have to put a TW if I say fuck?
I sincerely want to know why they say they want exercises when we know you can't outrun a bad diet. They need a better diet and when they start to shed pounds then they can start to add in exercise if they are truly that immobile. And no one should ever have to apologize for asking for help. It's ridiculous
Delete if offensive… wtf kind of world do we live in today? If someone has cancer & asks a question about chemotherapy is that offensive too?
TW for exercise? This just makes a mockery of what trigger warnings are supposed to be used for
I'm surprised they didn't suggest a mobility scooter. Having said that there isn't enough room in most houses/apartments to manoeuvre on a scooter.
I'm done helping fat people with anything unless they are trying to lose weight. I'm not going to lift a finger for someone who won't put down the fork. I made the mistake of helping a guy off the ground and I hurt my back a little because he decided cheeseburgers were more important than being able to get up off the ground.
Fuck your trigger warning
TW unassisted locomotion
OOP is on the right track. If she gets far enough with exercise she will have to realize that a change in diet is necessary. And yeah she should drop the trigger warnings and reach out to people that will actually support her.
I mean can you regain mobility with exercise? Yes there are numerous exercises you can do provided you’re not super morbidly obese. However, will gaining weight eventually lead to the loss in mobility? Yup in severe cases yup or even in not so severe cases.
It never ceases to amaze me to watch a FA not make the connection that losing mobility could possibly be the result of carrying an extra 100 pounds around at all times.
At this point, the use of “TW” or “CW” is just preempting me to skip over that paragraph. Here’s a fucking TW for them: “TW mewlings a broken down millennial or zoomer”
Woof. Too much to form a comment.
“Delete if not allowed or if offensive”. 😂
"Delete if **offensive**," holy shit, that's depressing. "Shut me down if my desperate need for help with my failing body makes you feel self conscious about your own body." My biggest Yikes ever.