I hope we can defeat you in the second leg and win our 15th one. However, if it’s not us, I believe it should definitely be your team—a true football club with strong ethics and a loyal global fanbase. I’m glad that City has been eliminated, but there’s another oil-funded club still in the running. I trust that Dortmund will handle their business, but if they somehow fail, I’m quite confident that whoever wins between us will take down PSG.
I don’t watch too much of PSG’s games but hasn’t Mbappe been ghosting in the CL since Real Sociedad? I don’t count the two goals against Barca, he basically did nothing to score those.
Yeah, he has been ghosting on both legs against Barca and today against Dortmund. PSG can't do shit without him so teams have figured out you just have 3 players to press him 24/7 and they are toothless.
He is going to be much more lethal in Real though, because you can't do that shit against them without opening space for Vinicus or Rodrygo
I will really be so happy if we take out Real tbf. The hype around them is insanely overblown. I know they pull stuff out of thin air but a lot of people online come up with ridiculous takes and blatantly ignore their shortcomings. Saw someone on yt say Madrid closing the roof will give them an advantage bc the crowd will be louder which guarantees their win or something. Have these guys seen their matches at home in the UCL. Congrats to Dortmund tonight tho. We go again next week.
With me, honestly, it has mostly to do with their history in the CL and how they manage to win over and over again. They won 14 of their 17 appearances in the final. Thats over 80% of the time. They just have cheat codes in this competition
> They won 14 of their 17 appearances in the final. Thats over 80% of the time. They just have cheat codes in this competition
That's why you have to eliminate them before the final. The Bayern - Real tie is the most frequent in UCL (27) but it has never been played in the final.
I think they aren't unbeatable in 2 legs, but in a final you only get 1 shot to beat them so mentality and experience will be the difference maker. They are pretty good in that regard as we saw yesterday.
As it was already mentioned it was just introduced as marketing, like the NT was called "Die Mannschaft". They wanna market it as German "El clasico" but it isn't really a classic. Barca and Madrid is a rivalry of decades while Dortmund wasn't a real Bayern contender most of the time. If we only go by "matches played against" it's wrong aswell.
We HAVE to. Seriously can't have Real in another final and people gassing them up when they are mid and pull stuff out of mid air. That Bernabeu fortress thing must be debunked next week 🙏. And picturing Kane lifting that trophy is just something I need to see.
since we talked about this earlier, one of my guys in hamburg just texted me the following from insider sources
in case st pauli is about to win direct bundesliga promotion on friday, hsv ultras are planning to try and get the match abandoned to prevent a normal finish
oh boy
If you’re a Kim enthusiast don’t do what I just done and watch the highlights from all of our losses and draws this season.
I love and rate the guy - but my god he’s had so many defensive errors this season and until I watched them back, didn’t quite realise myself.
He's very aggressive and a terrific tackler. He does have surprisingly big deficiencies though.
He needs defensive cover (IE a DM or a CB to tell him what to do) and he'll be better.
It isn't a surprise that he paired well with Upamecano, Upa is mobile and explosive and good on the ball. Kim plays the stopper next to Upa the covering CB. Unfortunately for us, Upa's a headcase.
Meh - him being paired well with Upa is something we have kept in a bit of an echo chamber. I believed it to be true, too.
Then I checked the results and watched them back. When they have been tested they have struggled.
I mean in terms of playing profile they matched well.
Kim and DeLigt are very similar with DeLigt being more disciplined, less aggressive, and more vocal. Upamecano has a different profile entirely.
But you're 100% correct the goals they conceded were not exactly worldies. A lot of errors -- particularly in marking and decisionmaking. Kimmisexuals need to accept reality.
It took me by surprise honestly. I thought apart from the last couple of months he’s had a good season. That may still be true - but the weaknesses in his game are so apparent and he’s been responsible for some really important goals this season that he could have and should have done better in.
>ÖFB president Klaus Mitterdorfer says he's still hoping Ralf Rangnick would stay: "It's still open. I hope there will be a decision in our favour in the very near future. The final decision is up to him. He's not made a final decision yet. We're still trying to tell him that it would be valuable if he stayed in Austria, if he continued on this path with us. He has opportunities to shape things with us, and we are thinking of a longer-term agreement with him
>There has been no contact with Bayern yet, and I'm not concerned with this topic. Our main goal is to keep Ralf Rangnick, as a great coach, with us in Austria"
>\[[ORF](https://twitter.com/ORF)\]
Pretty sure he is using both offers against each other to see where he can get the most influence and a better environment during the negotiations with both sides currently.
Guys if the tie against Madrid goes to penalties, who’d be your first 5 penalty takers?
Mine would be:
- Harry Kane (first pen)
- Müller
- Neuer
- Kimmich
- Gnabry
Question:
Has Rangnick ever coached a team that plays the majority of their games against a low block?
How effective would his usual tactics (High Press) be against a low block? Assuming not very...
Follow up question:
Has he used other tactics and were they actually successful or can he only work with high pressing teams?
>Has he used other tactics and were they actually successful or can he only work with high pressing teams?
I asked that question in the ManUtd sub a week ago. They said he tried to implement the RB style at United but abandoned it, since the players didn't have the fitness for that. He then went back to what the team knew under Ole Gunnar. Seems like high pressing football is his favourite tactic.
Fabrizio just said that both de zerbi and ragnick were the part of list for bayern's managerial job after jullian and xabi . I wonder what made the board choose ragnick over de zerbi
Rangnick has a better portfolio and I think he has a much better ppg than 1.48 which is De Zerbi's number. He is also German so no language problem too.
It probably went like this:
Kalle and Uli: What is a da Zeri?
Eberl: de Zerbi
Uli: Huh?
Kalle: Hey, Ralle could work! Remember he's been around forever and he's German!
Eberl: But his football doesn't fit our...
Uli: Give Kalle what he wants! I have another interview to give. I need to make sure they know how much Tuchel sucks!
Eberl: Yes, Emperor...
Just bears repeating, every process that involves having the playstyle of de Zerbi and Rangnick as options on the same level means the process isnt worth the paper its printed on. Either you go for pressing with Rangnick or similar coaches, or for possession with de Zerbi etc., but not interchangeably.
What even are the options after Rangnick then? Every coach that has ever coached Red Bull at some point, like Rose/Nagelsmann or do you go for a complete different coach in Hoeneß? The transition to Hoeneß after Rangnick might be brutal, especially if Rangnick has a major say in the transfer window to bring in players that fit **his** style.
Well, there are plenty of coaches from the RB school that are successful and might become options depending on their development, like Hütter, Glasner, Jaisle or Rose, but yes, we would be somewhat boxed in if we were to change our identity too much to make Rangnicks signature style work.
Earlier today I posted that a friend of mine got an autograph from Robben. That's not everything. What Robben signed was a carbon piece of the interior of a Audi Q7. This Q7, which my friend just bought, was previously owned by Robben. I'm so jealous I wanna kick him.
I thought mazraoui had a sneaky good game. He seems to have better decision making compared to Davies. Only issue is he can’t cross with his left. I’d like to Guerrero play against Madrid.
Leave this thread alone with the shit show that is the English national team call up. The worst topic with the least amount of relevancy on r/soccer, as if it matters from which mid table club the 5th English CB comes from.
Are you imagining me raging through my flat, destroying some glassware, or why do you think I need to chill. I just think the discussion about the English nt is annoying.
Its basically a tiny Maine Coon. My family had a Maine when I was a kid, and that beast of a cat weight around 8-9kg, this one is as grown as she will ever be and barely weighs more than 4kg. A former street cat saved from Bulgaria, so no clue where the long hair comes from lol.
And I also said mid table English club, are we a mid table English club? I was just giving a wide example about a typical topic that arises when the call up is mentioned. It's just so irrelevant if Guehi, Konsa, Dunk, Kilman, Branthwaite, Minks, Tarkowski or Holgate get the 5th spot when the first CB on the team sheet are Maguire and Stones are starters anyway.
The "as if it matters" was in relation to the online discourse of which player deserves it more.
The only good thing with rangnick is that the club is now experienced and well vetted top to bottom.
No more Brazzo, Kahn, and Julian just haphazardly making high impact decisions.
Unfortunately I fear a return to the Julian style of playing football which drove me crazy
I was over the moon with the Ancelotti appointment a few years ago. I was really excited for Nagelsmann and, despite the way he was hired, happy we landed Tuchel last year. All 3 were disappointments in their own ways.
I'm not at all intrigued or enthused about Rangnick but maybe he'll surprise us all.
Real Madrid is not the monster we believe at Bernabéu, sadly they have the black magic and the refs on their side, but they’re far from being unbeatable at home. If Bayern keep the hype and the ambition they showed yesterday, I’d say they have a pretty high chance to make it to the final.
The problem is it seems quite easy to outplay Real Madrid, but it seems almost impossible to get far enough ahead in terms of score. They always keep you within touching distance, and they can always score. So we find that the balance of play doesn’t matter. At least I don’t feel as nervous watching us play them, compared to City or prime Liverpool. I’m calmer, even if we’re just as likely to lose
To be honest though outside of two major errors… they presented really no threats yesterday.
Yes yes Black Magic and all that but we should have no reason to fear them.
I have a question especially for the guys who follow our younglings, with Davis leaving could Aznou step up and play in the position? I don't mean as a starter, just a prospect, so we fill that position with Maz,Rapha and Aznou as a potential player for the future?
Imo yes he has the potential, but he still needs 2 years surely. Overall we have quite a few LBs with Vinlöf and Hennings and another one I forgot right now. u/thraff1c probably knows.
I would like to see him getting some appearances here and there
>[Tonline] After the game ended, Kim Min-jae walked towards the reporters waiting in the mixed zone without stopping, bowing his head. He looked at the reporters with a sad expression and said only one word in Korean: "I'm really sorry."
He doesn’t have the rhythm atm and it’s his first year with us.
Meanwhile, Vini and Kroos have played together for like 5(?) years already!
Shit happens, stand up again and continue, that’s all that matters!
We are still behind you, Mia San Mia
those are three words and not korean either
he must be pretty devastated, this sucks
E: holy shit, I really didn't think I'd need to add /s. what a time to be alive
I thought Neuer was washed before the skiing injury and thought we should have just stuck with Sommer.
I was completely wrong -- Neuer is still world-class
Neuer against Arsenal would've gotten to the ball before Vini as well, that has nothing to do with age, he was just asleep a bit in that moment, shit happens, but the next throughball like that is his again.
This year he played 5 out of 11 Championsleague matches and 20 out of 31 (32 if you count the game against Stuttgart) Bundesliga matches. Only one of the games he missed in Bundesliga was because of yellow card suspension, the rest was due to injury (mostly ligament injuries).
He isn't. It's just a bad year for him injury wise. Other than that, he had a really bad 20-21 season where he missed a lot of time with a shoulder injury and covid.
It's just bad luck but most seasons, he's mostly healthy
Too bad. I remember Kim and DeLigt playing together quite well against Mainz, Galatasaray and the 8-0 against Darmstadt. Then DeLigt injured himself early in the Saarbrucken match which Bayern lost and then they never played together again.
What do people think of Muller's performance? I think he had some nice moments in pressing and organizing up front (it's funny to see him yell at Kane), but didn't think he offered much else. Curious to see if Tuchel will start with him there again in the next leg. His leadership in these big games is equally important, too, but I feel like Musiala is a better option there with Gnabry/Sane on the wing.
I agree regarding pressing, hence my first point. I don't see Tuchel changing the lineups given the nice early moments we had in the match, maybe he will tweak the midfield with Rapha for Gortezka.
Side note, never understand how downvotes work in this subreddit. Must be used as an "I disagree" button instead of "this does not contribute to discussion" button.
I didn’t see it either - but his game surpasses most of us honestly it’s so technical.
Directly after the game, Henry said he recognised the positions Muller was taking up, the work he was doing to drag players out of position, and actually accredited him for having such a helping hand in multiple chances and the goals.
It was very telling when Müller replied that he sees these things as being easy and he sometimes struggles to understand why other players aren't doing similar things to make it easier for themselves.
They were talking a different language to me - but the fact they understood each other perfectly tells me just how important and intelligent Muller was last night if we have Henry paying him such compliments directly after the game.
> Bayern Munich see Ian Maatsen as a potential replacement for Alphonso Davies. Maatsen looks unlikely to return to Chelsea. Release clause: £35m (€41m) [@NizaarKinsella]
For me I’m at the point where I’d only accept Theo as Davies replacement, otherwise stick with Maz. So far he’s had a great campaign there and if he finishes it strong he’s earned a place for next season. Maz/Rapha/Kratzig/Aznou/a LCB if we have one is solid rotation, although 2 are really injury prone
No matter how bad Kim was yesterday, it's just unacceptable for Tuchel to openly trash him publicly after the game. A Heynckes or Guardiola would never have done that
> "He was too 'greedy' twice. He made the first move too early against Vinicius in the first goal and got caught by Toni Kroos' pass. He speculated and was too aggressive. In the second goal, unfortunately it was another mistake. We were 5 against 2, we had the numbers. There was no need to defend that aggressively against Rodrygo. The moment Eric was about to help, he [Kim] brought him [Rodrygo] down. Unfortunately with their quality, these mistakes get punished. But well, it happens. We have to move on"
Explaining the tactical breakdown is not exactly “trashing”. In any case, it is well established by Bayern Munich that criticism of another to the media is not just acceptable but the preferred response in many ways.
Imo what is unacceptable is demanding managers win the CL with players who make schoolboy errors… and then trashing them in the media for falling short.
Agreed. A manager who isn't auditioning for a new job probably doesn't feel the need to cover his own ass in that situation. Tuchel called a great game plan and we should have won by 2 or 3 goals, but publicly throwing a player under the bus is never the way to go. He did the same with Upa back in Feb.
[Interesting angle](https://x.com/box2boxbola/status/1785414276188103081?s=46&t=hacgkqIkuQx2rbKlGAfLwg) showing the seconds before Real scored their 1st goal. Looks like KMJ told Kimmich to cover his space/mark Vinicius and then repeating himself after the goal
edit: the replies to my comment are funny lol. where am i saying that it is kimmich’s fault? i’m not pointing fingers to anyone. i’m simply stating what can be seen in the video 🥲
Even if that's the case and Kimmich ignored him, there isn't any reason for KMJ to get out of position there. It was definitely on him. He opened that space alone. An organized defense in the CL doesn't work like that, you don't just tell your RB "cover for me" and go Leroy Jenkins.
Unless they talked about it before. There were a couple of situations where Kim went out and the space behind was indeed covered by the other defenders. And then there were like two situations where he wasn't covered.
Then the interesting question is: did Tuchel advise his players to do so? If so, Tuchel is sacrificing Kim to protect the decision of playing Kimmich as RB. If Kim came up with that idea on his own and it didn't work out, I actually support Tuchel openly addressing the mistakes because even as a trainer I wouldn't take the blame for my players deciding on their own tactics
There have been similar situations around the 8th minute where he goes out to Vini and Kimmich and Dier cover. Also you can see right before the goal that Kimmich looks to the right when Kim runs forward so he might not have seen it. But overall Kimmich is the senior player so that's life I guess.
I fully expect us to beat madrid in bernabeu just to lose in the final against dortmund or paris...Will be the most bayern thing ever and somehow i can imagine it happning. Auf gehts tho
We were pretty close to "football champagne" in his last season. Atlético's bus was just on it's prime and Alaba's off side trap was so terrible that Griezmann took that 1 chance.
I really miss Pep's football.
Still dont get why we are getting Rangnick, when he plays a total different football then we do. especially after the other canidates(alonso, hoeneß, de zerbi, etc...) play a fluid possession type football. Feels like we get him because he is "experienced" and german speaking, not because what he actually can do.
Also in the only top club he coached he got like 1,x points per game, that was bad even for that United team.
How was Arne Slot for example never a canidate? He would have been a obvious good choice for us, plays exactly our style and is promising. And is super loved by fans and players.
Be honest have u actually watched feyenoord play under slot or you’re just basing youre opinion on what u see online about him? Dutch mangers that go to a bigger and harder league don’t seem to do well. Just look at ten haag and bosz
Just stats,what I read online and what people whos opinion i trust say etc.
I would take Ten Haag in a heartbeat over Rangnick btw. For the chaosclub Manu is, he really does fine. Also bayern past.
Rangnick ha 1.45 points per game with United. Ten Hag has 1.93. That's not that bad.
>Rangnick ha 1.45 points per game with United. Ten Hag has 1.93.
Two completely different situations that they were in. Not really representative.
ten Hag as a personality seems to be a proper cunt considering he defends sexual harrassment and he's completely delusional about his team, considering he bigged up a 120 min + penalty shootout against Coventry, a game where they were 3:0 up in. And that wasn't the only occasion he's done that.
Rangnick's clear and seems to have way more ambition when it comes to his current team. If you've watched Austria in recent years, we had games where we beat Croatia 3:0, Germany 2:0 and so on and while the pundits were hyped, he always basically said "yeah, was okay, but we should've done this and that better.". He isn't easily satified. When we drew against France in the beginning of his tenure, the TV host congratulated him and Rangnick got almost furious because we get the win over the line and that no congratulations were in order. That's the kind of ambition and perfectionism I want to see at the club, not "us shitting ourselves to the final against Coventry was a great achievement"
You must understand that Uli is the one deciding the coach. Do you think he knows de Zerbi, Arne Slot or a coach named Motta? There is a german quote that says "Was der Bauer nicht kennt, frisst er nicht" and that applies 100% to Uli.
https://old.reddit.com/r/fcbayern/comments/1chu2oa/rival_watch_borussia_dortmund_vs_pg/?sort=new Rival watch is live
I’m praying for Tuchel haram ball vs Terzic haram ball
Haram ball classsico
I hope we can defeat you in the second leg and win our 15th one. However, if it’s not us, I believe it should definitely be your team—a true football club with strong ethics and a loyal global fanbase. I’m glad that City has been eliminated, but there’s another oil-funded club still in the running. I trust that Dortmund will handle their business, but if they somehow fail, I’m quite confident that whoever wins between us will take down PSG.
I'm insanely stressed for next week ngl
I don’t watch too much of PSG’s games but hasn’t Mbappe been ghosting in the CL since Real Sociedad? I don’t count the two goals against Barca, he basically did nothing to score those.
Yeah, he has been ghosting on both legs against Barca and today against Dortmund. PSG can't do shit without him so teams have figured out you just have 3 players to press him 24/7 and they are toothless. He is going to be much more lethal in Real though, because you can't do that shit against them without opening space for Vinicus or Rodrygo
I will really be so happy if we take out Real tbf. The hype around them is insanely overblown. I know they pull stuff out of thin air but a lot of people online come up with ridiculous takes and blatantly ignore their shortcomings. Saw someone on yt say Madrid closing the roof will give them an advantage bc the crowd will be louder which guarantees their win or something. Have these guys seen their matches at home in the UCL. Congrats to Dortmund tonight tho. We go again next week.
With me, honestly, it has mostly to do with their history in the CL and how they manage to win over and over again. They won 14 of their 17 appearances in the final. Thats over 80% of the time. They just have cheat codes in this competition
> They won 14 of their 17 appearances in the final. Thats over 80% of the time. They just have cheat codes in this competition That's why you have to eliminate them before the final. The Bayern - Real tie is the most frequent in UCL (27) but it has never been played in the final. I think they aren't unbeatable in 2 legs, but in a final you only get 1 shot to beat them so mentality and experience will be the difference maker. They are pretty good in that regard as we saw yesterday.
>They just have cheat codes in this competition yes, it's called buying the refs
Real Madrid close the roof on every home game, even against Almeria. It's not something special for the UCL.
Considering what happened these past 2 seasons it would be in the top 3 best moments of my time as a Bayern supporter man, I'd be over the moon
Der Klassiker is written in the stars.
>der Klassiker Why does this doesn't die out
What’s wrong w it? I just remember the VW publicity w it lol
As it was already mentioned it was just introduced as marketing, like the NT was called "Die Mannschaft". They wanna market it as German "El clasico" but it isn't really a classic. Barca and Madrid is a rivalry of decades while Dortmund wasn't a real Bayern contender most of the time. If we only go by "matches played against" it's wrong aswell.
Cos it’s not supposed to. It’s a marketing ploy.
But why in this sub reddit. We complain everytime about it and it won't just die 😭
Yeah it’s annoying but just shows that it works.
It's funny that either option is a rematch of our last 2 CL wins. We just gotta get there.
We HAVE to. Seriously can't have Real in another final and people gassing them up when they are mid and pull stuff out of mid air. That Bernabeu fortress thing must be debunked next week 🙏. And picturing Kane lifting that trophy is just something I need to see.
UCL Terzic is a different animal
Stuttgart in the UCL, man
Lol Jamie Carragher looks drunk doing the interviews
Sancho out here playing like Ribery-light and United are sticking with Antony.
things you love to see
Jungs, bitte bitte, wir müssen nächste Woche gewinnen. Die Gelegenheit ist so was von da, wir müssen uns nur zusammen reißen.
My hot take is that we should steal Sancho from Dortmund. Sell Coman to PSG or something and give us this gem
Dortmund don't even own Sancho, he's there on loan. If ten Hag doesn't survive the season, he might just go back.
He played really well today but considering all season this is a massive overreaction
He should stay at Dortmund, he just fits there.
Least impulsive r/fcbayern take.
I'm heating up even more impulsive takes in my head
I'm ready, hit me with em!
I was literally thinking the same thing lmao. he absolutely cooked mendes today who is usually pretty decent
Officially 5 CL spots next season, good fucking job Dortmund
Hope Xabi and Hoeness Ball will be glorious in UCL next season
Juppel vs Kloppzic in the final. I will be there
since we talked about this earlier, one of my guys in hamburg just texted me the following from insider sources in case st pauli is about to win direct bundesliga promotion on friday, hsv ultras are planning to try and get the match abandoned to prevent a normal finish oh boy
I do have to respect the pettiness, it's really all HSV left
Wouldnt surprise me, these guys tried sabotaging the game that got them relegated aswell
Nah, we'd *never* be lucky like that, ever
If you’re a Kim enthusiast don’t do what I just done and watch the highlights from all of our losses and draws this season. I love and rate the guy - but my god he’s had so many defensive errors this season and until I watched them back, didn’t quite realise myself.
Yeah, these issues have been prevalent most of the season and isn't due to lack of form.
He's very aggressive and a terrific tackler. He does have surprisingly big deficiencies though. He needs defensive cover (IE a DM or a CB to tell him what to do) and he'll be better. It isn't a surprise that he paired well with Upamecano, Upa is mobile and explosive and good on the ball. Kim plays the stopper next to Upa the covering CB. Unfortunately for us, Upa's a headcase.
Meh - him being paired well with Upa is something we have kept in a bit of an echo chamber. I believed it to be true, too. Then I checked the results and watched them back. When they have been tested they have struggled.
I mean in terms of playing profile they matched well. Kim and DeLigt are very similar with DeLigt being more disciplined, less aggressive, and more vocal. Upamecano has a different profile entirely. But you're 100% correct the goals they conceded were not exactly worldies. A lot of errors -- particularly in marking and decisionmaking. Kimmisexuals need to accept reality.
How dare you. We are all haters that criticize him. What do you mean. He messed up more than in one game?
You are a clown because you want him sold after half a season. Don't pretend like you get hate for some kind of nuanced opinion.
It’s not nuanced. Just wrong scouting Nuanced was that Pau Gomes was a better fit
Pau torres
One off the Paus
Better fit but you don’t even know his name?
It took me by surprise honestly. I thought apart from the last couple of months he’s had a good season. That may still be true - but the weaknesses in his game are so apparent and he’s been responsible for some really important goals this season that he could have and should have done better in.
>ÖFB president Klaus Mitterdorfer says he's still hoping Ralf Rangnick would stay: "It's still open. I hope there will be a decision in our favour in the very near future. The final decision is up to him. He's not made a final decision yet. We're still trying to tell him that it would be valuable if he stayed in Austria, if he continued on this path with us. He has opportunities to shape things with us, and we are thinking of a longer-term agreement with him >There has been no contact with Bayern yet, and I'm not concerned with this topic. Our main goal is to keep Ralf Rangnick, as a great coach, with us in Austria" >\[[ORF](https://twitter.com/ORF)\]
It sounds like the deal isn't as certain as journalists reported
Pretty sure he is using both offers against each other to see where he can get the most influence and a better environment during the negotiations with both sides currently.
Ye, i havent read anything the last few days that wasnt overoptimistic guesswork adorned with clickbait titles (cough cough, BILD, cough cough)
Guys if the tie against Madrid goes to penalties, who’d be your first 5 penalty takers? Mine would be: - Harry Kane (first pen) - Müller - Neuer - Kimmich - Gnabry
I have a feeling I’d trust de Ligt or Goretzka to take one
Not Choupo
Müller stopped taking pens after Atletico didn't he?
Kane & Kimmich top 2 The other 3 would be de Ligt, Neuer & Gnabry
Maybe someone else instead of Müller, he’s not that good at pens iirc. Apart from that I’d say same
Will there be a rival match thread for Dortmund - PSG ?
Doing it
Thank you! I feel this will be a good show. Hope Dortmund wins too.
mods should start one so we can discuss things there
Question: Has Rangnick ever coached a team that plays the majority of their games against a low block? How effective would his usual tactics (High Press) be against a low block? Assuming not very... Follow up question: Has he used other tactics and were they actually successful or can he only work with high pressing teams?
>Has he used other tactics and were they actually successful or can he only work with high pressing teams? I asked that question in the ManUtd sub a week ago. They said he tried to implement the RB style at United but abandoned it, since the players didn't have the fitness for that. He then went back to what the team knew under Ole Gunnar. Seems like high pressing football is his favourite tactic.
Pass the ball to low block player and start to press him! 
Wieffer is injured until the end of the season, maybe missing out on the Euros too.
The latest rumors also heavily linked him with Atletico iirc, so we probably weren’t too close anyway.
Also one thing: yesterday was the single most insane atmosphere Ive witnessed in the last 5 years
It was amazing - had goosebumps during huge parts of the match honestly
Were you there against arsenal? I don't know, but my ears hurt more after or during the arsenal game lol
Best I’ve seen and witnessed live, since at least 2016! The Tifo was beautiful and the whole stadium singling Gute Freunde was also amazing.
Even just watching it on TV it was absolutely on fire
Absolutely amazing by the fans. That tifo was great as well.
Maybe the same script from the quarter finals will repeat, the stars need to align for that.
They will
Fabrizio just said that both de zerbi and ragnick were the part of list for bayern's managerial job after jullian and xabi . I wonder what made the board choose ragnick over de zerbi
Rangnick has a better portfolio and I think he has a much better ppg than 1.48 which is De Zerbi's number. He is also German so no language problem too.
I honestly wonder why anyone would take De Zerbi... If anything it looks like he have been figured out in the Prem.
It probably went like this: Kalle and Uli: What is a da Zeri? Eberl: de Zerbi Uli: Huh? Kalle: Hey, Ralle could work! Remember he's been around forever and he's German! Eberl: But his football doesn't fit our... Uli: Give Kalle what he wants! I have another interview to give. I need to make sure they know how much Tuchel sucks! Eberl: Yes, Emperor...
If I had to guess it would be Brighton’s recent form, the cost, and backroom clear out necessary.
Just bears repeating, every process that involves having the playstyle of de Zerbi and Rangnick as options on the same level means the process isnt worth the paper its printed on. Either you go for pressing with Rangnick or similar coaches, or for possession with de Zerbi etc., but not interchangeably.
What even are the options after Rangnick then? Every coach that has ever coached Red Bull at some point, like Rose/Nagelsmann or do you go for a complete different coach in Hoeneß? The transition to Hoeneß after Rangnick might be brutal, especially if Rangnick has a major say in the transfer window to bring in players that fit **his** style.
it was said that rangnick is well aware that he would have to adapt to a more posession oriented football. so let's see.
Well, there are plenty of coaches from the RB school that are successful and might become options depending on their development, like Hütter, Glasner, Jaisle or Rose, but yes, we would be somewhat boxed in if we were to change our identity too much to make Rangnicks signature style work.
Kalle is my guess
Earlier today I posted that a friend of mine got an autograph from Robben. That's not everything. What Robben signed was a carbon piece of the interior of a Audi Q7. This Q7, which my friend just bought, was previously owned by Robben. I'm so jealous I wanna kick him.
Kick him, then kick his car
Make sure you cut inside on your left before you kick him
Kick his car, that'll show him!
Kick him from me aswell
I thought mazraoui had a sneaky good game. He seems to have better decision making compared to Davies. Only issue is he can’t cross with his left. I’d like to Guerrero play against Madrid.
If Southgate is smart, he would call up Dier for the Euros
Leave this thread alone with the shit show that is the English national team call up. The worst topic with the least amount of relevancy on r/soccer, as if it matters from which mid table club the 5th English CB comes from.
Dude chill. Dier is playing well for Bayern and I think he deserves a spot on that team, especially when looking at his competition. Thats all
Are you imagining me raging through my flat, destroying some glassware, or why do you think I need to chill. I just think the discussion about the English nt is annoying.
I'm definitely imagining that now..
To help you, I am a tall lad, and you can add a cat running away in fear in your imagination.
Need picture of cat
[Cat](https://ibb.co/L9c2rkK)
Now that is one cute cat 😍
Looks like a standard issues cat but veeeeery fluffy, almost like a maincoon. 10/10 would snuggle
Its basically a tiny Maine Coon. My family had a Maine when I was a kid, and that beast of a cat weight around 8-9kg, this one is as grown as she will ever be and barely weighs more than 4kg. A former street cat saved from Bulgaria, so no clue where the long hair comes from lol.
I'm sure Dier will care about being part of a potentially title winning England squad, no matter if he's 1st or 5th centreback.
Didn't dispute that? I am just saying that the discourse surrounding the English nt call up is one of the worst topics.
You said "as if it matters" and I disagree, going to the Euros or not matters
And I also said mid table English club, are we a mid table English club? I was just giving a wide example about a typical topic that arises when the call up is mentioned. It's just so irrelevant if Guehi, Konsa, Dunk, Kilman, Branthwaite, Minks, Tarkowski or Holgate get the 5th spot when the first CB on the team sheet are Maguire and Stones are starters anyway. The "as if it matters" was in relation to the online discourse of which player deserves it more.
The only good thing with rangnick is that the club is now experienced and well vetted top to bottom. No more Brazzo, Kahn, and Julian just haphazardly making high impact decisions. Unfortunately I fear a return to the Julian style of playing football which drove me crazy
I was over the moon with the Ancelotti appointment a few years ago. I was really excited for Nagelsmann and, despite the way he was hired, happy we landed Tuchel last year. All 3 were disappointments in their own ways. I'm not at all intrigued or enthused about Rangnick but maybe he'll surprise us all.
So if you were happy about the coach that "failed" with us, and you are not happy with Rangnick, does confirm we will win the treble next season?
I think so
Real Madrid is not the monster we believe at Bernabéu, sadly they have the black magic and the refs on their side, but they’re far from being unbeatable at home. If Bayern keep the hype and the ambition they showed yesterday, I’d say they have a pretty high chance to make it to the final.
To be fair, the Ref did a very good job yesterday.
Yeah, he was pretty good yesterday but you won’t see that every match, specially against them.
I think they lost 2 games at home since the start of last season. They are pretty good at home.
The problem is it seems quite easy to outplay Real Madrid, but it seems almost impossible to get far enough ahead in terms of score. They always keep you within touching distance, and they can always score. So we find that the balance of play doesn’t matter. At least I don’t feel as nervous watching us play them, compared to City or prime Liverpool. I’m calmer, even if we’re just as likely to lose
To be honest though outside of two major errors… they presented really no threats yesterday. Yes yes Black Magic and all that but we should have no reason to fear them.
I have a question especially for the guys who follow our younglings, with Davis leaving could Aznou step up and play in the position? I don't mean as a starter, just a prospect, so we fill that position with Maz,Rapha and Aznou as a potential player for the future?
Imo yes he has the potential, but he still needs 2 years surely. Overall we have quite a few LBs with Vinlöf and Hennings and another one I forgot right now. u/thraff1c probably knows. I would like to see him getting some appearances here and there
>[Tonline] After the game ended, Kim Min-jae walked towards the reporters waiting in the mixed zone without stopping, bowing his head. He looked at the reporters with a sad expression and said only one word in Korean: "I'm really sorry."
Feel bad for him :( heads up kim, you're gonna be a stud for bayern
He doesn’t have the rhythm atm and it’s his first year with us. Meanwhile, Vini and Kroos have played together for like 5(?) years already! Shit happens, stand up again and continue, that’s all that matters! We are still behind you, Mia San Mia
those are three words and not korean either he must be pretty devastated, this sucks E: holy shit, I really didn't think I'd need to add /s. what a time to be alive
No, "those" is only one word and not three.
I think I've just been checkmated
It’s ok I thought it was funny
thank you 🥲
Reminds me of Horst Hrubesch: „Ich brauch glaub ich nur dieses eine Wort sagen - Herzlichen Dank“ 😂 legend
Read it again
Doesn’t take logic to work out that the “I’m so sorry” in Korean might only be 1 word ?
Maybe he just said sorry
I thought Neuer was washed before the skiing injury and thought we should have just stuck with Sommer. I was completely wrong -- Neuer is still world-class
I think he was pretty integral to the Arsenal tie too. A couple of sweeper keeper moments that really saved us. Love to see it!
Agree, but I do think a 30 year old Neuer would have stopped the first Vini goal by coming for the Kroos pass
Neuer against Arsenal would've gotten to the ball before Vini as well, that has nothing to do with age, he was just asleep a bit in that moment, shit happens, but the next throughball like that is his again.
Is it just me or is DeLigt constantly injured.
Didn’t he play like every match last season?
This year he played 5 out of 11 Championsleague matches and 20 out of 31 (32 if you count the game against Stuttgart) Bundesliga matches. Only one of the games he missed in Bundesliga was because of yellow card suspension, the rest was due to injury (mostly ligament injuries).
He isn't. It's just a bad year for him injury wise. Other than that, he had a really bad 20-21 season where he missed a lot of time with a shoulder injury and covid. It's just bad luck but most seasons, he's mostly healthy
Pretty often, yes
Too bad. I remember Kim and DeLigt playing together quite well against Mainz, Galatasaray and the 8-0 against Darmstadt. Then DeLigt injured himself early in the Saarbrucken match which Bayern lost and then they never played together again.
What do people think of Muller's performance? I think he had some nice moments in pressing and organizing up front (it's funny to see him yell at Kane), but didn't think he offered much else. Curious to see if Tuchel will start with him there again in the next leg. His leadership in these big games is equally important, too, but I feel like Musiala is a better option there with Gnabry/Sane on the wing.
müller is stopping so many attacks and passes with his relentless pressing
I agree regarding pressing, hence my first point. I don't see Tuchel changing the lineups given the nice early moments we had in the match, maybe he will tweak the midfield with Rapha for Gortezka. Side note, never understand how downvotes work in this subreddit. Must be used as an "I disagree" button instead of "this does not contribute to discussion" button.
>never understand how downvotes work in this subreddit. It’s simple, if you put a button in a room full of monkeys they will all want to press it.
You demonstrated it beautifully, hahaha
😭
I didn’t see it either - but his game surpasses most of us honestly it’s so technical. Directly after the game, Henry said he recognised the positions Muller was taking up, the work he was doing to drag players out of position, and actually accredited him for having such a helping hand in multiple chances and the goals.
It was very telling when Müller replied that he sees these things as being easy and he sometimes struggles to understand why other players aren't doing similar things to make it easier for themselves.
They were talking a different language to me - but the fact they understood each other perfectly tells me just how important and intelligent Muller was last night if we have Henry paying him such compliments directly after the game.
I expect the exact same lineup as the first leg against Arsenal away but with Mazraoui at LB
> Bayern Munich see Ian Maatsen as a potential replacement for Alphonso Davies. Maatsen looks unlikely to return to Chelsea. Release clause: £35m (€41m) [@NizaarKinsella]
For me I’m at the point where I’d only accept Theo as Davies replacement, otherwise stick with Maz. So far he’s had a great campaign there and if he finishes it strong he’s earned a place for next season. Maz/Rapha/Kratzig/Aznou/a LCB if we have one is solid rotation, although 2 are really injury prone
Maatsen is am good option but how much would theo cost eventually?
Wouldn’t be mad at this but the rc is a little high. Wonder if we could negotiate
No matter how bad Kim was yesterday, it's just unacceptable for Tuchel to openly trash him publicly after the game. A Heynckes or Guardiola would never have done that
Tuchel's response was more an observation than outright criticism. There was nothing wrong with it.
> "He was too 'greedy' twice. He made the first move too early against Vinicius in the first goal and got caught by Toni Kroos' pass. He speculated and was too aggressive. In the second goal, unfortunately it was another mistake. We were 5 against 2, we had the numbers. There was no need to defend that aggressively against Rodrygo. The moment Eric was about to help, he [Kim] brought him [Rodrygo] down. Unfortunately with their quality, these mistakes get punished. But well, it happens. We have to move on" Explaining the tactical breakdown is not exactly “trashing”. In any case, it is well established by Bayern Munich that criticism of another to the media is not just acceptable but the preferred response in many ways. Imo what is unacceptable is demanding managers win the CL with players who make schoolboy errors… and then trashing them in the media for falling short.
Agreed. A manager who isn't auditioning for a new job probably doesn't feel the need to cover his own ass in that situation. Tuchel called a great game plan and we should have won by 2 or 3 goals, but publicly throwing a player under the bus is never the way to go. He did the same with Upa back in Feb.
He analyzed what went wrong in these situations. At no point did he throw Kim under the bus. You're reading way too much into it.
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[Interesting angle](https://x.com/box2boxbola/status/1785414276188103081?s=46&t=hacgkqIkuQx2rbKlGAfLwg) showing the seconds before Real scored their 1st goal. Looks like KMJ told Kimmich to cover his space/mark Vinicius and then repeating himself after the goal edit: the replies to my comment are funny lol. where am i saying that it is kimmich’s fault? i’m not pointing fingers to anyone. i’m simply stating what can be seen in the video 🥲
Don’t bring kimmich into this no reason for Kim to leave that space opened when he had it covered
Even if that's the case and Kimmich ignored him, there isn't any reason for KMJ to get out of position there. It was definitely on him. He opened that space alone. An organized defense in the CL doesn't work like that, you don't just tell your RB "cover for me" and go Leroy Jenkins.
Unless they talked about it before. There were a couple of situations where Kim went out and the space behind was indeed covered by the other defenders. And then there were like two situations where he wasn't covered.
Then the interesting question is: did Tuchel advise his players to do so? If so, Tuchel is sacrificing Kim to protect the decision of playing Kimmich as RB. If Kim came up with that idea on his own and it didn't work out, I actually support Tuchel openly addressing the mistakes because even as a trainer I wouldn't take the blame for my players deciding on their own tactics
There have been similar situations around the 8th minute where he goes out to Vini and Kimmich and Dier cover. Also you can see right before the goal that Kimmich looks to the right when Kim runs forward so he might not have seen it. But overall Kimmich is the senior player so that's life I guess.
Earlier in the match, I think around 8 minutes in, almost a same situation and Kimmich does fill the gap.
Putting this on Kimmich is crazy lmao, Kim got dragged way out of position and opened up the space
I fully expect us to beat madrid in bernabeu just to lose in the final against dortmund or paris...Will be the most bayern thing ever and somehow i can imagine it happning. Auf gehts tho
> Will be the most bayern thing ever I think you are confusing us with Dortmund
The most Bayern thing is going to win the final with a Robben style Sane’s goal and let Harry get his first title at home.
Most Bayern thing is to lose in the final?
Dortmund wants Klopp after his break, coincidentally Pep's contract at City also expires in 2025. Bring them home
i want to believe so badly that pep is not happy that bayern is the one team he hasnt won the CL with and thats why he'll come back
We were pretty close to "football champagne" in his last season. Atlético's bus was just on it's prime and Alaba's off side trap was so terrible that Griezmann took that 1 chance. I really miss Pep's football.
Still dont get why we are getting Rangnick, when he plays a total different football then we do. especially after the other canidates(alonso, hoeneß, de zerbi, etc...) play a fluid possession type football. Feels like we get him because he is "experienced" and german speaking, not because what he actually can do. Also in the only top club he coached he got like 1,x points per game, that was bad even for that United team. How was Arne Slot for example never a canidate? He would have been a obvious good choice for us, plays exactly our style and is promising. And is super loved by fans and players.
Be honest have u actually watched feyenoord play under slot or you’re just basing youre opinion on what u see online about him? Dutch mangers that go to a bigger and harder league don’t seem to do well. Just look at ten haag and bosz
If the big brains over at Liverpool want him, then he must be good. I trust that Edward's guy infinetly more than any decision maker at this club.
Just stats,what I read online and what people whos opinion i trust say etc. I would take Ten Haag in a heartbeat over Rangnick btw. For the chaosclub Manu is, he really does fine. Also bayern past. Rangnick ha 1.45 points per game with United. Ten Hag has 1.93. That's not that bad.
>Rangnick ha 1.45 points per game with United. Ten Hag has 1.93. Two completely different situations that they were in. Not really representative. ten Hag as a personality seems to be a proper cunt considering he defends sexual harrassment and he's completely delusional about his team, considering he bigged up a 120 min + penalty shootout against Coventry, a game where they were 3:0 up in. And that wasn't the only occasion he's done that. Rangnick's clear and seems to have way more ambition when it comes to his current team. If you've watched Austria in recent years, we had games where we beat Croatia 3:0, Germany 2:0 and so on and while the pundits were hyped, he always basically said "yeah, was okay, but we should've done this and that better.". He isn't easily satified. When we drew against France in the beginning of his tenure, the TV host congratulated him and Rangnick got almost furious because we get the win over the line and that no congratulations were in order. That's the kind of ambition and perfectionism I want to see at the club, not "us shitting ourselves to the final against Coventry was a great achievement"
You must understand that Uli is the one deciding the coach. Do you think he knows de Zerbi, Arne Slot or a coach named Motta? There is a german quote that says "Was der Bauer nicht kennt, frisst er nicht" and that applies 100% to Uli.
Lmao, Uli wanted Nagelsmann Kalle is the one that has led us to Ragnick