Not normal, no, because there are different types of product managers with different skill sets. The point of the JD is to help potential candidates identify whether they're a fit and indicate which skills they should highlight.
To be fair, this could be obvious to anyone who sees the full ad. We've got no idea what other info the rest of the ad contains all and I can absolutely We have no idea what other info the full ad gives but it has to be more the single line were able to see.
Ha!!! It's funny, but it's a hard pass on this position. This is a first seeing something like that. If they can't provide detailed responsibilities and tasks for this position, I can only imagine the horror that awaits should someone accept this position.
Well you could stick to your responsibilities if you're hired and if they ask why you're under performing or not taking up additional tasks, you could always refer to this job description and tell them that you know exactly what your responsibilities are.
"Hello, yes, I'm here for the Project Manager position"
"Fantastic! And you know what responsibilities you have?"
"I do indeed"
"Well... What are they?"
"the ones that I know?"
"Yes"
"Do you not know them?"
"Of course we do -"
"Fantastic, so we're all on the same page! See you on Monday"
>I can reasonably claim my responsibilities to be whatever I want.
As can they, and there's the catch...
ETA: They'll simply claim you should have known that those were your responsibilities.
The posting was drafted, reviewed, approved, and published by the organisation. It is an insight into the company. If they are not bothered with drafting the description properly, then you can imagine how they deal with anything related to employees.
MASSIVE red flag. Had a job like that. Upper management was absolutely clueless, and I was basically tasked with saving a burning house. I sort of succeeded and as reward my position was terminated.
More and more companies are expecting this. I recently had an interview and they kept saying, “We need you to know what you’re doing and not ask too many questions.”
My very first job interview was like that. I think god took a shit on me that year because my very first job (not with them) was "figure out what to do with no training and not even being told what the job is"
This just makes me assume the person who posted the job is the one with no clue what the responsibilities are for the position. I can only imagine how the interviews will go down....
That’s a huge red flag for the company. If they’re too lazy to type out the job description, I guarantee you they will not provide you adequate training.
Run. Do not give them the time of day. I guarantee this is one of those jobs where they’ll yell at you for not doing something you were never asked to do, because, “you should have known” that you needed to do it.
In short "EVERYTHING IS YOUR RESPONSIBILITY - YOU'RE A MANAGER" is what this feels like, they'll shit on your head because of something you didn't do - all because *you should have known...*
Was once a new (several months in) Team Leader/Supervisor and got disciplined for not doing something. My response was I didn't know that thing existed, it's never been mentioned and I haven't seen it mentioned in the training materials. The manager and area manager response was 'it's part of your job, we're not going to spoon feed you'.
Left that room completely baffled as to how I was supposed to know to do it.
Idk, sometimes going into companies that don’t know what they’re doing can be a benefit. You bring the tiniest bit of common sense into the situation and fix a bunch of stuff and everyone thinks you’re a genius. If you screw up and suck, they don’t know the difference anyway. As long as they pay you. Hell, sometimes the really dumb ones will overpay you to do an easy job.
As long as they pay well, I will “should know what my responsibilities are” to the best of my abilities. If someone ask “Do you know what your responsibilities are ?” My answer will be “Shouldn’t I know? Why else would they have given me the job?”
The least they could have done was get ChatGPT to come up with something random. Hard pass.
Or maybe this is a good malicious compliance candidate, i can’t tell
This is actually an opportunity for a leech/parasite personality type to get a foothold into a company and assume control and responsibilities outside the scope for which they were hired.
The old guard of VPs may not care who's running the factory, so long as they still meet deadlines and make profits. A wily character could assume control of various production processes or product lines - simply because his job descriptions doesn't limit him in any way.
The company may actually want someone like that to take over and run things.
No. I would ask your boss for a more concrete list, for clarity's sake.
This is most likely a trick from your Boss. Since your responsibilities are not written down, you cannot argue if something isn't "in your responsibilities."
Done people are saying to pass, or it's a hard pass, lol. Why? If it's offered, why not take the job, and the money btw. If they want the job done right they'll train you. I've never had a job where there is not at the very least, a walkthrough.
EVERYTHING will be your responsibility, EVERYTHING!
And they'll grind your ass for not knowing...
Done people are done for a reason, and anyone who accepts that job is about to find out why.
Good luck out there kiddo, lol kek.
It's cute that you tell grown ass man to grow up, all while you are displaying nothing but naivety.
Enjoy licking the boot until it kicks you in the teeth. I earnestly hope for your sake that you never have to find out first hand, what I'm on about...
Kind of like when I got a sales job, and Al they did was show me how to get to the call list, with a script that gave me no answers to what people might have questions for.
The best interpretation I can give to this is that PM jobs are not entry-level roles, the job poster is calling out they are only seeking those with past PM experiences.
However, this is just laziness on poster and is a red flag to any prospective candidates. PMs positions are notorious for having different roles & responsibilities even within the same company, let alone from companies to companies or industries to industries. Beyond that, there are different scope a PM is responsible for (backend, growth, etc.). It also speaks to me that the poster doesn't really know what or why they are seeking a PM for, which is never a good sign.
TLDR: Run, don't walk, from this.
Yes. I was offered a job just like this.
It's great for filtering out idiots who just rephrase the job description. Supririsingly effective, actually. 1000 applicants can be reduced to 5 potentials with just a few keyword filters.
It is bonkers. To be able to know anything by yourself, you should be given the power to manage it. Otherwise the decision is not yours and you can only follow the company's standards.
Whoever wrote this is a fuckin prick. Whoever allowed it to go public is an idiot. My assumption is that it's the same person, and that person would be your boss. Hard fuckin pass lol
All I can see is a job description for a job the company have no clue about. It’s like someone read somewhere oh companies have product managers we should hire 1. Can you imagine the meeting.
What does a product manager do?
I don’t know, maybe when we hire one they can tell us what they are meant to do.
The ultimate comedy sketch.
It's sadly also normal for companies to make **everything** YOUR responsibility, in case someone needs to be blamed, you see... Lack of concise duties, means you cannot refuse to do something well beyond the scope of your employment, since you should have known that those were your responsibilities. Good luck with your performance review at such a place. You'll never be eligible for a raise.
What's considered "normal" for them, might be very far removed from the norm, yet you're expected to have known.
GOOD LORD HAHAHA WHAT
Not normal, no, because there are different types of product managers with different skill sets. The point of the JD is to help potential candidates identify whether they're a fit and indicate which skills they should highlight.
To be fair, this could be obvious to anyone who sees the full ad. We've got no idea what other info the rest of the ad contains all and I can absolutely We have no idea what other info the full ad gives but it has to be more the single line were able to see.
Ha!!! It's funny, but it's a hard pass on this position. This is a first seeing something like that. If they can't provide detailed responsibilities and tasks for this position, I can only imagine the horror that awaits should someone accept this position.
Well you could stick to your responsibilities if you're hired and if they ask why you're under performing or not taking up additional tasks, you could always refer to this job description and tell them that you know exactly what your responsibilities are.
"Hello, yes, I'm here for the Project Manager position" "Fantastic! And you know what responsibilities you have?" "I do indeed" "Well... What are they?" "the ones that I know?" "Yes" "Do you not know them?" "Of course we do -" "Fantastic, so we're all on the same page! See you on Monday"
😂 🤣
It doesn't even look like a joke? I'd like to see the rest of the listing for some possible self awareness.
OP stated in another comment that this is all the company wrote.
There was only one other section about the company
Or the horror for the company when I tell them I thought I was responsible for giving myself a raise.
Oh God I thought the screenshot was cut off. No.
unfortunately that was all they wrote edit: for this section
Ah yes, because you, the applicant, can read their minds.
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It's a choose-your-own-story!
Agreed. Normal, no. Acceptable, yes. I can reasonably claim my responsibilities to be whatever I want.
>I can reasonably claim my responsibilities to be whatever I want. As can they, and there's the catch... ETA: They'll simply claim you should have known that those were your responsibilities.
No. It’s not normal.
The posting was drafted, reviewed, approved, and published by the organisation. It is an insight into the company. If they are not bothered with drafting the description properly, then you can imagine how they deal with anything related to employees.
MASSIVE red flag. Had a job like that. Upper management was absolutely clueless, and I was basically tasked with saving a burning house. I sort of succeeded and as reward my position was terminated.
That's just the 2024 standard.
Skip lol
More and more companies are expecting this. I recently had an interview and they kept saying, “We need you to know what you’re doing and not ask too many questions.”
My very first job interview was like that. I think god took a shit on me that year because my very first job (not with them) was "figure out what to do with no training and not even being told what the job is"
Yikes. They clearly don't know their own responsiblities.
This just makes me assume the person who posted the job is the one with no clue what the responsibilities are for the position. I can only imagine how the interviews will go down....
Oh that one is easy. "I have people skills." Done. I thought it would be tough !
Let me guess. No salary listed?
bingo
This is the most passive aggressive shit lol
That’s a huge red flag for the company. If they’re too lazy to type out the job description, I guarantee you they will not provide you adequate training.
Run. Do not give them the time of day. I guarantee this is one of those jobs where they’ll yell at you for not doing something you were never asked to do, because, “you should have known” that you needed to do it.
My thoughts exactly.
It’s the perfect position. You can do whatever you want and if they call you out on it tell them you know what your responsibilities are, but do they?
In short "EVERYTHING IS YOUR RESPONSIBILITY - YOU'RE A MANAGER" is what this feels like, they'll shit on your head because of something you didn't do - all because *you should have known...*
Was once a new (several months in) Team Leader/Supervisor and got disciplined for not doing something. My response was I didn't know that thing existed, it's never been mentioned and I haven't seen it mentioned in the training materials. The manager and area manager response was 'it's part of your job, we're not going to spoon feed you'. Left that room completely baffled as to how I was supposed to know to do it.
Idk, sometimes going into companies that don’t know what they’re doing can be a benefit. You bring the tiniest bit of common sense into the situation and fix a bunch of stuff and everyone thinks you’re a genius. If you screw up and suck, they don’t know the difference anyway. As long as they pay you. Hell, sometimes the really dumb ones will overpay you to do an easy job.
As long as they pay well, I will “should know what my responsibilities are” to the best of my abilities. If someone ask “Do you know what your responsibilities are ?” My answer will be “Shouldn’t I know? Why else would they have given me the job?”
Ok, nobody ever hears me out on this.. "You should know.." IS NEVER EVER A FUCKING HELPFUL STATEMENT. ITS JUST ****NOT****
I assume it's a small place. It's their way of saying "Your job will be everything since we didn't define it"
Yup!
The least they could have done was get ChatGPT to come up with something random. Hard pass. Or maybe this is a good malicious compliance candidate, i can’t tell
This is actually an opportunity for a leech/parasite personality type to get a foothold into a company and assume control and responsibilities outside the scope for which they were hired. The old guard of VPs may not care who's running the factory, so long as they still meet deadlines and make profits. A wily character could assume control of various production processes or product lines - simply because his job descriptions doesn't limit him in any way. The company may actually want someone like that to take over and run things.
This is beyond a red flag, this is a red carpet, minefield included.
This made me chuckle, but yeah, definitely a red flag lol
No lmfao. I'd make up my own responsibilities. The sillier the better.
And they'll make even sillier ones, and institute disciplinary action for not "knowing" you should have done it.
Apply and when they ask if you know what the responsibilities are tell them they should already know.
HR is now getting absract. I hope AI take their jobs and at least not being this lazy.
This isn’t a reflection of all who work in HR. And, for all we know, the person who posted this job may not even be in an HR position.
Toxic. P
Major, major red flag.
My mom writing a job listing
No. I would ask your boss for a more concrete list, for clarity's sake. This is most likely a trick from your Boss. Since your responsibilities are not written down, you cannot argue if something isn't "in your responsibilities."
>Since your responsibilities are not written down, you cannot argue if something isn't "in your responsibilities." BINGO!
Thing is, you'll find out at review time. Surprise!
LOLZ
Oh this place is gonna be toxic hahahah don’t apply
That’s hilarious, only thing better would be "managing the product"
Thank them for showing their toxicity. It reeks of cynicism.
No??? Every organization has slightly different responsibilities, expectations and software.
😂😂😂😂😂
Well, it was normal when I was performing that job. That should go towards how shit that job is
That's a red flag, bruh.
Done people are saying to pass, or it's a hard pass, lol. Why? If it's offered, why not take the job, and the money btw. If they want the job done right they'll train you. I've never had a job where there is not at the very least, a walkthrough.
EVERYTHING will be your responsibility, EVERYTHING! And they'll grind your ass for not knowing... Done people are done for a reason, and anyone who accepts that job is about to find out why. Good luck out there kiddo, lol kek.
Oh my bad, yeah, that was supposed to say dumb. But anyway, so you would turn down money for the chance that you might get told something? Grow up
It's cute that you tell grown ass man to grow up, all while you are displaying nothing but naivety. Enjoy licking the boot until it kicks you in the teeth. I earnestly hope for your sake that you never have to find out first hand, what I'm on about...
Lmao no
OMG. Is this for a senior role? If not, take it as a warning and stay away!
Its for a junior role 😂
RUN!
Crimson red flag, do NOT apply.
Hahaha no, but I’d apply anyway just to experience the interview process and ask them questions to tease out how much they actually know.
Kind of like when I got a sales job, and Al they did was show me how to get to the call list, with a script that gave me no answers to what people might have questions for.
Lmao, what. Might be a clever way to get people to read the job description… but wait, lol😂
Toxic.
The best interpretation I can give to this is that PM jobs are not entry-level roles, the job poster is calling out they are only seeking those with past PM experiences. However, this is just laziness on poster and is a red flag to any prospective candidates. PMs positions are notorious for having different roles & responsibilities even within the same company, let alone from companies to companies or industries to industries. Beyond that, there are different scope a PM is responsible for (backend, growth, etc.). It also speaks to me that the poster doesn't really know what or why they are seeking a PM for, which is never a good sign. TLDR: Run, don't walk, from this.
I kinda like that for that job.
Choose your own adventure!! Lol 😂 (yes, this is whack. Hard pass on what would obviously be a total shitshow)
They should use this as an example of employer red flags
This is rude
"Before we begin, do you have any questions for me?" "No. I know everything. I am God. Alpha and Omega" "Great. I think you'll fit right in!"
Yes. I was offered a job just like this. It's great for filtering out idiots who just rephrase the job description. Supririsingly effective, actually. 1000 applicants can be reduced to 5 potentials with just a few keyword filters.
Absolutely fucken not.
This kind of arrogance and unprofessionalism is all the red flag you need to indicate this company should be avoided.
No
wow how "professional"
They don't know either
It is bonkers. To be able to know anything by yourself, you should be given the power to manage it. Otherwise the decision is not yours and you can only follow the company's standards.
HAHAHAHAHAHA ABA NANGHAHAMON?
I would immediately say that's a toxic work environment and run away!
I’ve seen it before. So every question they have on there that is answered on my resume, I put exactly that. “Example on my resume.”
NOPE! Red Flag! Block, ignore, remove from results, whatever. Omfg.
This is funny as fuck
This screams I don't train or even have the ability to.
Good way to let us know not to apply.
Whoever wrote this is a fuckin prick. Whoever allowed it to go public is an idiot. My assumption is that it's the same person, and that person would be your boss. Hard fuckin pass lol
That’s trash!!!
All I can see is a job description for a job the company have no clue about. It’s like someone read somewhere oh companies have product managers we should hire 1. Can you imagine the meeting. What does a product manager do? I don’t know, maybe when we hire one they can tell us what they are meant to do. The ultimate comedy sketch.
Which is code for: We will be able to add to your list of duties as we see fit, and you'll end up doing the work of at least 3 people.
Apply, get to interview. "What made you apply?" "You should know what made me apply..."
I refuse to believe half of the stuff people post here are real. I hate how this place got filled with trolls
nah unfortunately this was a legit job posting
Was it for what position on what field of industry?
First time interacting with HR?
I mean…. You should?
Yes it's normal to know what your responsibilities are 😂 🤣
It's sadly also normal for companies to make **everything** YOUR responsibility, in case someone needs to be blamed, you see... Lack of concise duties, means you cannot refuse to do something well beyond the scope of your employment, since you should have known that those were your responsibilities. Good luck with your performance review at such a place. You'll never be eligible for a raise. What's considered "normal" for them, might be very far removed from the norm, yet you're expected to have known.