Dr. Strange points his finger upwards to signal that this is the one possibility. Tony Stark interprets it as FLY UP with Gauntlet. He flies, TVA appears.
Scott Lang comes out of the van. Sees the world empty but his daughter is still alive. Decides to relax, spend time with his daughter, finds some good job as there will be a lack of people with skills. Decides to start a new peaceful life. TVA appears.
Tony Stark and Steve Rogers face off with each other at the airport. All Avengers decide to act like adults, have a deep conversation on Sokovia accords, decide to unite to get Sokovia Accords to be in favour of both sides. TVA appears.
Green Goblin decodes to pop out in Norman Osborn during their stay in Happy's house. Electro keeps calm & helps restraining Green Goblin. TVA appears.
Bully Maguire decides to go full fuckboi with the sweet girl with cookies. TVA appears.
Loki decides to join Thanos' forces on the Asgardian ship so that he can switch sides on better occasion. TVA appears.
Dr. Strange decides to solo rush Thanos. Opens portals on his limbs and slices him into pieces. Illuminati appears.
I know what it's like to lose. To feel so desperately that you're right, yet to fail nonetheless. It's frightening. Turns the legs to jelly. I ask you, to what end? Dread it. Run from it. Destiny arrives all the same. And now, it's here. Or should I say, I am.
Time is weird. The in universe best explanation is that all of those movies happened “after” Loki did or more so only were able to have happened because Loki happened.
I stopped caring after Endgame. Using time travel as plot device is not a good idea if they can’t established sets of rules that needed to be obey. General humans brain cannot process intangible concepts
>Loki decides to join Thanos' forces on the Asgardian ship so that he can switch sides on better occasion. TVA appears.
A version of that (Loki fakes his death perfectly instead of sacrificing himself) actually leads to the old Classic Loki.
Never understood why they didn’t even cover the idea that strange could just portal off Thanos’s arm, I mean he does it to someone else *in the same movie*.
My forever take on this was from Movie Bob.
Quill's entire arc up until this point is about accepting loss. In the first movie, he accepts his mother's death. In the second, he kills his father and watches his daddy sacrifice himself to save him. In Infinity War, he completes his arc by killing the person he loves the most to save the universe. In that split second, he's complete. And then...bubbles.
Fast forward to Titan, and he finds out that not only was his self-actualization taken away, not only is the universe still not safe, but he lost Gamora anyway. The only person in the MCU who has felt anything close to that was thawed out 6 years prior and told the Tesseract was being used to threaten Earth again. And Star-Lord isn't Cap (no one is).
So yeah, he's gonna act irrationally. This is the guy who immediately shot his father when he found out he killed his mother, even though he knew it would do nothing. A calm response would've been out of character.
That's the problem with his reaction... It was too tame. I think the writers just didn't want him to shoot Thanos point blank as that would be an acknowledgement that his weapons are pointless and the fight had no real stakes.
But still, the guy who shot Ego over finding out about a murder decades old shouldn't just impotently slap Thanos. It was just frustrating how slow and preventable it was. At least trying to murder Thanos would have felt a lot more justifiable.
But I think he’s wrong. It’s totally in character for him to snap and immediately start attacking. He did it to Ego. He did it to the bully that gave him a black eye in Guardians 1. The only thing out of character is that he punched instead of shooting.
I think the thought is that it undoes the emotional development he had gone throu in those 2 movies and he reverts back to his impulsive, immature ways
To be fair, he just got confirmation that the love of his life had died at the hands of her "father", who is now captured in front of him. That'd be enough to snap even the most emotionally stable people. Its not like Thanos just hit him or called him a name.
All those incidents were personal and didn't affect anyone really outside of himself. When it came to Thanos, Peter was on a mission for the sake of the universe even if emotionally compromised people wouldn't jeopardize the entire universe just to punch a dude who's asleep and fuck things up for everyone. I feel Gunn tried to rectify this idea of Peter as an emotional and incompetent goof by having him be pretty much on the ball the entire third film outside of the bits where he's trying to win over Gamora.
Because if he waited like 5 more minutes, they would’ve gotten the gauntlet, and then he could’ve killed thanos afterwards if he wanted to
Y’all I know it was the only way they could win and stuff, but that is the thought process of those who dislike him after infinity war
not a reason to get mad at this guy though, because as i said
>wanting to kill the idiot who killed the one person he hoped he would never lose.
its in character as well to burst out in a childish rage at maybe the wrong times as shown in the other films
Dude shot a planet-sized demigod while he and his friends were all separated on said demigod without a second of hesitation the demigod admitted to killing his mother. He's not really the type to give it five minutes
Honestly, the people who think it's a plothole or something are ridiculous. "It's completely illogical for him to do that because he could have just done it 5 minutes later with no consequences." It was an *emotional* response, not a logical one.
I get James Gunn saying he would have written it differently, that's understandable. There's always ways to make a story better in hindsight. That doesn't mean what we got is wrong/bad though.
He’s holding part of Thanos back with some sort of energy thing. Same convo. The shock causes him to lose momentary focus which causes Thanos to escape.
Or
Thanos just wins anyhow because he’s holding the infinity gauntlet and is able to use the mind stone to resist Mantis.
Many options, I hate the TVA/Dr Strange millions of scenarios. Feel like cop outs.
In all my years of conquest, violence, slaughter, it was never personal. But I'll tell you now, what I'm about to do to your stubborn, annoying little planet... I'm gonna enjoy it. Very, very much.
The thing is, Quill is stupid, he left earth very young and grew up with criminals from then on, I love Starlord but I won’t deny that he isn’t the brightest of the bunch
He's actually very smart. The plan that he fucked up but was the only moment where Thanos seemed he could be beaten? It was Peter's. He doesn't fail because of low IQ, he fails when he can't control his emotions.
yeah. only '14, 000, 605' futures that strange saw?
the first 7 moves in chess, which have concrete, absolute rules as to what can happen, go to over 65 trillion. with over 8 million ending in checkmate.
No, it means that in every timeline Quill loses his temper or that Thanos wins in some other way where the Avrngers have no opportunity to restore things.
In this timeline they put up a big fight to prevent Thanos from knowing they let him win. They had to have a moment where they appeared to be winning to sell their defeat. After that only the bizarre series of events, like snapping while Ant Man was in the Quantum Realm, would lead to their discovery of time travel and another set of stones. Thanos was thorough, if he even suspected they let him win he might use the time stone to stop them, or destroy the universe entirely as he stated in End Game, Strange new that a series of events had to play out just the right way without Thanos becoming suspicious, and this was part of it.
Just a reminder that the ‘one possibility in 6 million’ or whatever it was is a lazy ass cop out by the writers to justify the heroes acting like a bunch of dumbasses and to prevent fans from asking, “well, why didn’t they just do this?’.
I mean I see no logical reason for as to how Thanos could have beaten Dr Strange without the Gauntlet, Thanos needed to use all 4 Stones to counter Strange’s various attacks, without the stones he had nothing to counter Strange with.
We saw in endgame once Wanda lifted him in there air and restrained him with magic he had no way of breaking free
He also would have been stranded on Titan as he has no ship does he?
Add in that apparently strange can teleport and there was arguably nothing stopping strange from teleporting everyone out of there afterwards and coming back with heavy hitters such as Thor and Wanda and just putting Thanos down.
In fact the best explanation I’ve seen to justify that crappy line was added afterwards with the Eternals by fans, as the avengers undoing the snap made the Eternals sympathetic to humanity and prevented earth from getting wiped out as a result.
Exactly this. It was a cop out. They then have used other shows and movies to show the “see it had to happen this way”.
As you pointed out Thanos was struggling against magic. There is no reason to believe that Dr Strange couldn’t have sliced Thanos arm off using teleporting circle.
Hell teleport out of the ship and bring back everyone to take on Thanos as you said. There was numerous upon numerous ways they could have won.
I honestly see them retconning this one day to strange admitting there were other options but this had the greatest benefit overall because he saw other futures or something like that. Or that he didn’t see beyond the futures where he stayed dead or stayed snapped and so was restricted by that.
The issue I have with Quill reacting the way he did in Infinity War is that he wasn’t given a redemption act, like in the Guardians film. He’s jealous of Thor, he loses his girlfriend, he screws up, half the world disappears because of him… and that’s it! He doesn’t do anything in Endgame that would make up for it. Yes, Pratt is very funny guy, but Star-Lord is a superhero, not just comic relief, and he looks so bad in those films.
But what’s even the point of “Loki?”
Seriously, if the events of “Loki” take place outside of time itself because they’re with the TVA and eventually “He Who Remains,” then when they remove the TVA, thus allowing for new timelines to be created, it’s as though alternate timelines were always possible.
If killing “He Who Remains” at the end of time made the multiverse possible for all time, then “Loki” doesn’t have to exist because it’s as if those events never occurred since they were outside of time…
I hate how everyone blames starlord like everything would have been perfect if he hadnt hit thanos but nebula brought the idiot to the conclusion that thanos killed gamora and just like in the title of the post it was the only way
I know what it's like to lose. To feel so desperately that you're right, yet to fail nonetheless. It's frightening. Turns the legs to jelly. I ask you, to what end? Dread it. Run from it. Destiny arrives all the same. And now, it's here. Or should I say, I am.
I remember an interview where the Russos (or it might’ve been Markus/McFeely, I forget) said that, even if they had gotten the gauntlet off, Thanos would’ve still kicked their asses and reclaimed it eventually. The problem is thinking “take off the glove” = “Thanos is a non-threat”.
I will shred this universe down to its last atom and then, with the stones you've collected for me, create a new one teeming with life that knows not what it has lost but only what it has been given. A grateful universe.
Does anyone else find the idea of the TVA successfully arresting some of the more powerful heros in the MCU laughable? There's no way they're gonna take in captain marvel or vision.
I mean, it was the only one Strange *saw* out of 14 million. Had he searched prior to any of these events taking place, he could probably have seen trillions more possibilities.
Yea I’m sorry but I still don’t accept “it had to happen like this or it wouldn’t work” excuse. Every logical plan where Quill doesn’t mess it up can’t just be shielded by “nope wouldn’t have worked”.
How wouldn’t it have worked? I need a logical explanation of how it wouldn’t have worked.
Not necessarily. Dr. Strange only saw 14 million different outcomes. He may have never seen an outcome where Peter didn't lose his temper in that situation.
Dr. Strange points his finger upwards to signal that this is the one possibility. Tony Stark interprets it as FLY UP with Gauntlet. He flies, TVA appears. Scott Lang comes out of the van. Sees the world empty but his daughter is still alive. Decides to relax, spend time with his daughter, finds some good job as there will be a lack of people with skills. Decides to start a new peaceful life. TVA appears. Tony Stark and Steve Rogers face off with each other at the airport. All Avengers decide to act like adults, have a deep conversation on Sokovia accords, decide to unite to get Sokovia Accords to be in favour of both sides. TVA appears. Green Goblin decodes to pop out in Norman Osborn during their stay in Happy's house. Electro keeps calm & helps restraining Green Goblin. TVA appears. Bully Maguire decides to go full fuckboi with the sweet girl with cookies. TVA appears. Loki decides to join Thanos' forces on the Asgardian ship so that he can switch sides on better occasion. TVA appears. Dr. Strange decides to solo rush Thanos. Opens portals on his limbs and slices him into pieces. Illuminati appears.
I know what it's like to lose. To feel so desperately that you're right, yet to fail nonetheless. It's frightening. Turns the legs to jelly. I ask you, to what end? Dread it. Run from it. Destiny arrives all the same. And now, it's here. Or should I say, I am.
You talk too much
I missed the part where that's my problem.
Please don't turn down my music.
Shut the FK up Tony
Shut up
I imagine Tobey's world was outside of the Sacred timeline or if within it, would have been purged. Same with Andrew's.
Time is weird. The in universe best explanation is that all of those movies happened “after” Loki did or more so only were able to have happened because Loki happened.
Yeah, like they were purged but sprouted up again like how Kang did after Sylvie killed He Who Remains.
It's a paradox. If the TVA was shut down then that means it never existed
I stopped caring after Endgame. Using time travel as plot device is not a good idea if they can’t established sets of rules that needed to be obey. General humans brain cannot process intangible concepts
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What's wrong, little one?
My mother, where's my Mother?
And that's why fans shouldn't write movies
Isn’t Spider Man No Way Home after Loki S1? So the TVA wouldn’t show up?
Remember how Loki S1 ended? There was still a TVA, it was just not the exact same TVA
NO!
It's definitely after Endgame so the TVA wouldn't interfere with it to make sure Thanos was defeated
I'm thankful...because now...I know what I must do.
The Green Goblin one happens *after* the Infinity Saga so the TVA wouldn't interfere
>Loki decides to join Thanos' forces on the Asgardian ship so that he can switch sides on better occasion. TVA appears. A version of that (Loki fakes his death perfectly instead of sacrificing himself) actually leads to the old Classic Loki.
As long as there are those that remember what was, there will always be those that are unable to accept what can be. They will resist.
Ah yes, the Illuminati appears It was actually the Illuminati controlling the TVA all along
Never understood why they didn’t even cover the idea that strange could just portal off Thanos’s arm, I mean he does it to someone else *in the same movie*.
I'm a survivor!
Feels like I just read a "what if series script"
My forever take on this was from Movie Bob. Quill's entire arc up until this point is about accepting loss. In the first movie, he accepts his mother's death. In the second, he kills his father and watches his daddy sacrifice himself to save him. In Infinity War, he completes his arc by killing the person he loves the most to save the universe. In that split second, he's complete. And then...bubbles. Fast forward to Titan, and he finds out that not only was his self-actualization taken away, not only is the universe still not safe, but he lost Gamora anyway. The only person in the MCU who has felt anything close to that was thawed out 6 years prior and told the Tesseract was being used to threaten Earth again. And Star-Lord isn't Cap (no one is). So yeah, he's gonna act irrationally. This is the guy who immediately shot his father when he found out he killed his mother, even though he knew it would do nothing. A calm response would've been out of character.
Wow… this changes my opinion of that so much. Thank you for this lol
Did you just refer to Yondu as "daddy"?
He may be your father, but he aint your daddy
I see this same take over and over
That's because it's true
That's the problem with his reaction... It was too tame. I think the writers just didn't want him to shoot Thanos point blank as that would be an acknowledgement that his weapons are pointless and the fight had no real stakes. But still, the guy who shot Ego over finding out about a murder decades old shouldn't just impotently slap Thanos. It was just frustrating how slow and preventable it was. At least trying to murder Thanos would have felt a lot more justifiable.
When I'm done, half of humanity will still be alive. I hope they remember you.
I like how he admitted it in GotG3.
There was an interview with James Gunn criticizing that scene in the post, and saying how out of character it was
But I think he’s wrong. It’s totally in character for him to snap and immediately start attacking. He did it to Ego. He did it to the bully that gave him a black eye in Guardians 1. The only thing out of character is that he punched instead of shooting.
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yeah, after all he cant go for the head this time either because that would hit mantis 🤔
I was looking through some old photos and looks very huh… similar.
TIL the word “bully” activates you
Yeah, it's kind of itchy... and it rides up in the crotch a little bit, too.
this interaction made me die laughing
I thought it was activated by Spider-Man
I'm really gonna enjoy this.
you totally beat me to it 
I think the thought is that it undoes the emotional development he had gone throu in those 2 movies and he reverts back to his impulsive, immature ways
To be fair, he just got confirmation that the love of his life had died at the hands of her "father", who is now captured in front of him. That'd be enough to snap even the most emotionally stable people. Its not like Thanos just hit him or called him a name.
You're not the only one cursed with knowledge.
All those incidents were personal and didn't affect anyone really outside of himself. When it came to Thanos, Peter was on a mission for the sake of the universe even if emotionally compromised people wouldn't jeopardize the entire universe just to punch a dude who's asleep and fuck things up for everyone. I feel Gunn tried to rectify this idea of Peter as an emotional and incompetent goof by having him be pretty much on the ball the entire third film outside of the bits where he's trying to win over Gamora.
A small price to pay for salvation.
I’d argue attacking a god while his friends are on said god somewhere is him jeopardizing them.
i cant believe the entire internet got mad at this guy just for wanting to kill the idiot who killed the one person he hoped he would never lose.
Because if he waited like 5 more minutes, they would’ve gotten the gauntlet, and then he could’ve killed thanos afterwards if he wanted to Y’all I know it was the only way they could win and stuff, but that is the thought process of those who dislike him after infinity war
not a reason to get mad at this guy though, because as i said >wanting to kill the idiot who killed the one person he hoped he would never lose. its in character as well to burst out in a childish rage at maybe the wrong times as shown in the other films
Dude shot a planet-sized demigod while he and his friends were all separated on said demigod without a second of hesitation the demigod admitted to killing his mother. He's not really the type to give it five minutes
Honestly, the people who think it's a plothole or something are ridiculous. "It's completely illogical for him to do that because he could have just done it 5 minutes later with no consequences." It was an *emotional* response, not a logical one. I get James Gunn saying he would have written it differently, that's understandable. There's always ways to make a story better in hindsight. That doesn't mean what we got is wrong/bad though.
Finally, Someone who speaks english!
This day extracts a heavy toll.
also look at the meme lol
Even if they got the gauntlet off they still would’ve lost is quite telling of thanos’s power
I'm thankful...because now...I know what I must do.
Are you aware of the Eternals snap theory?
like how Gunn recently said when asked about this, they could've written a different scenario to avoid making Quill seem so stupid
He’s holding part of Thanos back with some sort of energy thing. Same convo. The shock causes him to lose momentary focus which causes Thanos to escape. Or Thanos just wins anyhow because he’s holding the infinity gauntlet and is able to use the mind stone to resist Mantis. Many options, I hate the TVA/Dr Strange millions of scenarios. Feel like cop outs.
In all my years of conquest, violence, slaughter, it was never personal. But I'll tell you now, what I'm about to do to your stubborn, annoying little planet... I'm gonna enjoy it. Very, very much.
He did not have the mindstone yet when he was on titan.
Fair enough. Then one of the other stones. Or his army running in.
The thing is, Quill is stupid, he left earth very young and grew up with criminals from then on, I love Starlord but I won’t deny that he isn’t the brightest of the bunch
He's actually very smart. The plan that he fucked up but was the only moment where Thanos seemed he could be beaten? It was Peter's. He doesn't fail because of low IQ, he fails when he can't control his emotions.
The only matter I do not take seriously, boy, is you. Your politics bore me. Your demeanor is that of a pouty child.
Why didn’t the tva do anything about the sudden extra gamora
\- It's a surprise tool that will help us later
It’s not the *only* possibility. It’s just the only possibility that the TVA approves of.
yeah. only '14, 000, 605' futures that strange saw? the first 7 moves in chess, which have concrete, absolute rules as to what can happen, go to over 65 trillion. with over 8 million ending in checkmate.
This is the 9th reminder I’ve gotten this week from Reddit, thanks.
No, it means that in every timeline Quill loses his temper or that Thanos wins in some other way where the Avrngers have no opportunity to restore things. In this timeline they put up a big fight to prevent Thanos from knowing they let him win. They had to have a moment where they appeared to be winning to sell their defeat. After that only the bizarre series of events, like snapping while Ant Man was in the Quantum Realm, would lead to their discovery of time travel and another set of stones. Thanos was thorough, if he even suspected they let him win he might use the time stone to stop them, or destroy the universe entirely as he stated in End Game, Strange new that a series of events had to play out just the right way without Thanos becoming suspicious, and this was part of it.
I am...inevitable.
How many catchphrases have there been?
Just a reminder that the ‘one possibility in 6 million’ or whatever it was is a lazy ass cop out by the writers to justify the heroes acting like a bunch of dumbasses and to prevent fans from asking, “well, why didn’t they just do this?’. I mean I see no logical reason for as to how Thanos could have beaten Dr Strange without the Gauntlet, Thanos needed to use all 4 Stones to counter Strange’s various attacks, without the stones he had nothing to counter Strange with. We saw in endgame once Wanda lifted him in there air and restrained him with magic he had no way of breaking free He also would have been stranded on Titan as he has no ship does he? Add in that apparently strange can teleport and there was arguably nothing stopping strange from teleporting everyone out of there afterwards and coming back with heavy hitters such as Thor and Wanda and just putting Thanos down. In fact the best explanation I’ve seen to justify that crappy line was added afterwards with the Eternals by fans, as the avengers undoing the snap made the Eternals sympathetic to humanity and prevented earth from getting wiped out as a result.
I thought by eliminating half of life, the other half would thrive, but you've shown me... that's impossible.
Character development?
Jane?
Exactly this. It was a cop out. They then have used other shows and movies to show the “see it had to happen this way”. As you pointed out Thanos was struggling against magic. There is no reason to believe that Dr Strange couldn’t have sliced Thanos arm off using teleporting circle. Hell teleport out of the ship and bring back everyone to take on Thanos as you said. There was numerous upon numerous ways they could have won. I honestly see them retconning this one day to strange admitting there were other options but this had the greatest benefit overall because he saw other futures or something like that. Or that he didn’t see beyond the futures where he stayed dead or stayed snapped and so was restricted by that.
I feel like it wouldn’t have mattered if they got the gauntlet off. Thanos would have broken out the telepathy.
When I'm done, half of humanity will still be alive. I hope they remember you.
They did my boy dirty
very much so
The issue I have with Quill reacting the way he did in Infinity War is that he wasn’t given a redemption act, like in the Guardians film. He’s jealous of Thor, he loses his girlfriend, he screws up, half the world disappears because of him… and that’s it! He doesn’t do anything in Endgame that would make up for it. Yes, Pratt is very funny guy, but Star-Lord is a superhero, not just comic relief, and he looks so bad in those films.
Really? Then why do you dress like one?
But what’s even the point of “Loki?” Seriously, if the events of “Loki” take place outside of time itself because they’re with the TVA and eventually “He Who Remains,” then when they remove the TVA, thus allowing for new timelines to be created, it’s as though alternate timelines were always possible. If killing “He Who Remains” at the end of time made the multiverse possible for all time, then “Loki” doesn’t have to exist because it’s as if those events never occurred since they were outside of time…
Huh, I guess maybe in that timeline they beat Thanos but now that they have the stones one of em goes nuts and does a little trolling.
I'm a survivor!
I hate how everyone blames starlord like everything would have been perfect if he hadnt hit thanos but nebula brought the idiot to the conclusion that thanos killed gamora and just like in the title of the post it was the only way
When I'm done, half of humanity will still be alive. I hope they remember you.
What would the TVA do if Thanos acted out of the timeline?
I know what it's like to lose. To feel so desperately that you're right, yet to fail nonetheless. It's frightening. Turns the legs to jelly. I ask you, to what end? Dread it. Run from it. Destiny arrives all the same. And now, it's here. Or should I say, I am.
Huh, I guess maybe in that timeline they beat Thanos but now that they have the stones one of em goes nuts and does a little trolling
When I'm done, half of humanity will still be alive. I hope they remember you.
I personally head canon that doctor strange saw the pruning of the timelines as opposed to them just losing against thanos.
When I'm done, half of humanity will still be alive. I hope they remember you.
There is no sacred timeline lol
I remember an interview where the Russos (or it might’ve been Markus/McFeely, I forget) said that, even if they had gotten the gauntlet off, Thanos would’ve still kicked their asses and reclaimed it eventually. The problem is thinking “take off the glove” = “Thanos is a non-threat”.
I will shred this universe down to its last atom and then, with the stones you've collected for me, create a new one teeming with life that knows not what it has lost but only what it has been given. A grateful universe.
Does anyone else find the idea of the TVA successfully arresting some of the more powerful heros in the MCU laughable? There's no way they're gonna take in captain marvel or vision.
I mean, it was the only one Strange *saw* out of 14 million. Had he searched prior to any of these events taking place, he could probably have seen trillions more possibilities.
Better yet, he could just shoot him in the head instead of punching him.
I’m confused. Isn’t loki taken place right after avengers 1(2012)? So every movie after it is free of the time masters.
Not exactly. After Loki becomes a variant, he's brought to the TVA's headquarters, which is outside the timeline.
Yea I’m sorry but I still don’t accept “it had to happen like this or it wouldn’t work” excuse. Every logical plan where Quill doesn’t mess it up can’t just be shielded by “nope wouldn’t have worked”. How wouldn’t it have worked? I need a logical explanation of how it wouldn’t have worked.
THANK YOU. I keep defending Quill's actions from everyone I know who tells me he was an idiot in Infinity War.
same here 
No. Fuck him.
Not necessarily. Dr. Strange only saw 14 million different outcomes. He may have never seen an outcome where Peter didn't lose his temper in that situation.