I fear that this past season was our shot. The West will get better as a whole and I’m not sure what moves we could make with our salary cap situation being so dire.
Sorry to be so negative. It’s part of being a MN sports fan I guess.
Edit: I appreciate all of the follow ups. Perhaps I’m being too negative regarding the Wolves future lol.
I mean Edwards could definetly take a leap and become superstar which takes Minny to another level.
Right now they don't have a best player on the court against most of the contenders.
Exactly. Whether or not we can continue to contend at a high level is on Ant’s shoulders. If he can continue to grow and consistently be the best player on the court (or compete with the best) he will take the team far.
But at the moment he has flashes of playing like Kobe, but isn’t able to do it every night regardless of competition like Kobe.
Luckily Ant is very very young. He’ll have plenty of time to develop as a player. The big question is how fast he can get more consistent. One night he looks like prime MJ then the next he shoots like I would out there
Ant is 22. He has 4-6 years before he peaks. This year was great experience for him. It took Tatum getting to the finals to turn up his conditioning, and he's still figuring it out. And even if y'all lose KAT, y'all have some really good other pieces. I didn't realize Naz is only 24
You guys made a trade to compete for five years.
Year 1 was working out the kinks.
Year 2 was gelling together.
Years 3 & 4 should be putting it all together. I’d be highly shocked if Minnesota doesn’t sniff the Finals once in the next two seasons. I also don’t see the West getting better as a whole. Of the teams that made the playoffs, I only see OKC and your Wolves just being better. Phoenix isn’t built to compete. Kawhi isn’t getting any younger and Harden is who Harden is, and he also isn’t getting any younger. I feel that Dallas over achieved by lucking into matchups that won’t go the same next year. New Orleans isn’t taking some jump towards the top of the conference. Memphis may be healthier next season but I don’t see a revenge tour. And, Golden State is more or less done if they can’t get creative.
Oh, and as far as my Lakers go? LeBron’s wind isn’t getting any better and neither Austin Reaves nor D’Lo Russell is a third option on a championship caliber team level player at this stage in LeBron’s career. Maybe they would’ve been at some point when he was 27-36 but not now. Even if our coaching staff is heads and shoulders better, there’s just certain teams we aren’t getting by. And, if D’Lo walks for less money and more long term stability elsewhere, LA is done. Just like with Schröder, that’s $20M in bird rights that cannot be replaced.
Denver i think is still the favorite in the west but they might lose KCP without anyway of replacing him, They need their young guys to actually be playable so bad.
I’m with everyone else. This notion that not winning the championship means you have to shake things up and make moves is way to dramatic most of the time. The wolves made huge strides this year from a competitive standpoint, but even bigger than that established a real identity where by the end of the season people were not looking forward to playing Minnesota at all.
Another season letting everyone build off that + the frustration from losing and seeing how close they were should put them in an even better spot next year.
The best active NBA players I can think of who will *almost certainly* not get into the HoF:
Bradley Beal
- 3x All-Star
- All NBA 3rd Team
- Very light playoff resume
Julius Randle
- 3x All-Star
- 2x All-NBA
- MIP
- Has consistently underperformed in the playoffs
Khris Middleton
- 3x All-Star
- NBA Champion
- US Olympic Gold Medalist
- Injuries derailed his prime/Buck’s championship window
He's just not THAT good. He's a ball dominant scorer who couldn't even make it out of the second round in the East. His career +/- in the playoffs is -73. Beal was just the top dog on a shit team for so long that we saw his numbers and said, 'hey. That guy can hoop.'
Using +/- while acknowledging his teams sucked is pretty unfair. +/- relies on the other 4 players you are playing with, it's a really bad stat that I rarely see used anymore.
Derrick White and Sam Hauser have a higher +/- than Luka and Giannis
Beal is what happens when you give any above average scorer a 34% usage rate, an unlimited green light, and a pass to play no defence. Hes good, but nowhere near a HOF level talent.
How was Beal an ‘above average scorer’ when he averaged 31ppg on 58% TS in that season
You know how hard it is to have that level of efficiency on that volume lol?
I get there’s a circlejerk against Beal because of his horrible contract, but calling him an ‘above average scorer’ that season is an understatement
I came here to write this. While it’s true that he is neither a HOFer or an elite career player, his scoring peak was way better than just “above average.” Same for Lavine.
Not to mention it’s not like opposing teams needed to worry about multiple threats. Outside of a few players here and there Beal was alone on Washington.
Beal is not even close imo…he finally got onto a decent team and was awful.
Lot of empty calories in Washington imo, I don’t even think he’s remotely in the conversation for a fringe HOFer. There are a lot of more impactful players that you could make over him for OPs question.
beal showed up in the playoffs for the Wiz in multiple runs and put up 38 points against the #1 seed in a game 7 with an ECF berth on the line. why do people here pretend they actually watched him play before he suffered multiple significant injuries and went to play the wrong role in Phoenix
It would be a much stronger case if he had been selected to at least one All-NBA team.
IIRC, he was really close in 2020, but Westbrook had more guard votes, while Middleton had more All-NBA votes overall but they were split between guard and forward.
It’s crazy to think how different it would have looked for Middleton if some things had changed earlier. Like in that case he probably could have gotten all nba if it was positionless like it is today. And not to mention if conference finals mvp had been introduced just a year earlier he would have an ECF MVP as well.
I think Middleton will probably get in after a few years on the ballot. Getting a ring and being a hero to get there adds **a ton** of weight for the voters. When Giannis went down with that knee injury Khris went off and saved the season. The voters remember stuff like that.
Also important to note, the basketball HOF is far and away the easiest HOF to get into.
Just checked to see how many players made the HOF with 0 all-NBA selections and damn, there're 27 guys who did it lol. Includes a lot of European players tbf, along with some players who're helped by college accolades
Yeah still people don’t realize there’s no “NBA HOF” it’s the basketball HOF. All of your accolades and accomplishments as a basketball player at all levels are considered
I think if Randle comes back and produces how he has been for 5-6 more years it’ll look pretty good. He’s only 29 and just started to hit all star form in the last 4 seasons. Add the fact that the Knicks are good and can win it all if things go well, Randle 100% has a shot. No defensive counting stats but shoots the 3 and is a good passer for a black hole big
KAT’s probably gonna be on the fringe by the time he retires.
If we stay good and win a chip and KAT is a contributor in the playoffs for that period I can see him making it though.
Its crazy, he played 16 seasons and averaged 1000 a season for his entire career, and gets no respect
Torry Holt had 6 consecutive 1300+ yard seasons and has been waiting to get in for years
Jared Allen has been waiting too long, there are a ton of unsung heroes on O/D-Line that have been waiting too long. Sucks to see overly-worthy players not get in year after year
Jrue will make the Hall of Fame if he wins another gold. Winning NBA championships and gold medals in the same year on multiple occasions has to count for something. Who else has done that?
Might not happen for him immediately but I agree, he probably will. 20 years down the line I could see him being a guy they dig up highlights for and tout as an underrated star from the 2010s.
Yeah, Demar would be about 3,000 points above the next guy on the list who isn’t in the hall, if he retired today. People still saying he’s borderline at the end of his career are delusional at this point.
If he destroys the USA Men’s Team this coming Olympics, maybe he’ll get inducted. The guy didn’t played college ball. No NBA awards. It’s hard even for people with achievements greater than his to get in
Eh - it bleeds through in a ton of places. Penny was a much better player than many guys who made the Hall, his career just got derailed by injury before he even hit his prime, which is why he didn't make the Hall.
Chauncey Billups is a textbook Hall of Very Good guy and he just got in. And why is Michael Cooper in the Hall but not Horace Grant?
Michael Cooper was a better player than Horace Grant, at least on paper. 5 titles, DPOY, 8 time all defensive team selection (5 first team) vs Horace Grant’s 4 titles, one all star and 4 second team defensive team selections.
Why do people think “Very Good” and “Fame” are measures on some quality scale? “Fame” doesn’t mean “Excellent.”
No sports “Hall of Fame” includes only those participants who displayed singular unparalleled excellence. If they did they wouldn’t be able to have a museum.
by the trend of the last decades that would be around 30 hof players actively playing per season. with around 550 players each season that would be about 5% of the total active players will end in the hof.
last season that would be: James, Curry, Durant, Westbrook, Harden, Antetokounmpo, Jokic, Embiid, Doncic, Tatum, Leonard, Paul, Lillard, Davis, Green, Irving, George, Thompson, Butler, Gobert, Lowry
that leaves 10 spaces for the rest.
I disagree. If he had a couple more seasons at that level, sure. But you’d effectively be giving him a career award for a single season in this case. The MVP is already the recognition of that season.
Other than that he had a decent rookie season, 1.5 run of the mill all star seasons, and then a decade as a 6th man type on mediocre teams. No rings (barely any playoff wins), no awards outside that season, nothing interesting in his career stats.
I get it - he was derailed by injury and the Hall lets in anybody. But Rose would be the weakest case possible, truly on the back of one year. I can see it going either way.
It's not even that his career was derailed, it's just that the Hall lets anyone in and Drose was the youngest MVP in NBA history. If the purpose of the Hall of Fame is to preserve the history of the game as completely as possible, and that's the reason why so many guys make it in, then I don't see why Derrick Rose can't be included.
I mean, for what it's worth, we may not see a player that young dominate the league like that ever again. Legends of the game who were noted as transitioning to professional play well, like Kareem, Lebron, Larry, Magic, MJ, etc. never won THAT young. Hell, not to say Luka belongs in this conversation, but Luka was already a league MVP by the time he was drafted, and he STILL hasn't won MVP. It's not even about "what could've been," it's what was, if only for a season.
> If the purpose of the Hall of Fame is to preserve the history of the game as completely as possible
It's not. It's to preserve the history of the game, but nowhere near "completely". Preserving the game anywhere near "completely" would have to let in like 10x the number of people currently in. There's all sorts of one year accolades, amazing performances, great careers, stellar postseasons, etc that aren't currently in.
> we may not see a player that young dominate the league like that ever again.
He didn't dominate the league. He won MVP in a down statistical year and got wiped in the ECF. It was a great season, but it wasn't dominant. And I still don't understand to this day how anyone voted for Rose over Lebron (I'd also put Howard ahead of him that year, but I digress).
And Rose was 22 that year and put up a 25/4/8. Recent 22 year old performances - Luka 28/9/9, Tatum 26/8/4, Edwards 26/5/5, SGA 24/5/6. Seems to be pretty much par for 22 year old blossoming stars to be honest. What do you think Wemby is going to put up in 2 more years when he's 22?
We’re still watching the highlights 14 years later. You’re right on the stats and the record, but the NBA is an entertainment product, and he produced the shit outta some entertainment. I wouldn’t be surprised if he got in.
Realistically DRose played in a slower era, that 25-8 ppg adjusted for increase in pace would be close to 27-9 today. He also had to play with absolutely atrocious spacing: 2 complete non-shooters in Noah and Boozer occupying the paint. And then Bulls had the best record in the NBA ahead of LBJ (who had 2 all-stars on his team in Wade and Bosh) and Spurs (who have been team-first team for a decade by then). Maybe one could argue for Dwight (Howard in the same situation as Rose with the amount of help), but 10 wins behind a player who had equally impressive stats is difficult to overcome.
Prople in this sub have convinced other people in this sub that the hall of fame is so easy to get into anyone whose made an all star game has made it in
Note that I said, there are only 110 NBA players in the hall of fame. There are 177 players total, including women (mostly from the WNBA), and players from other pro leagues.
There are 436 inductees total, which is the number people usually site, but they are mostly coaches, contributors, referees and historical teams, like the first team, original Celtic team, first all black team, harlem globetrotters, etc.
I was just there this weekend for the first time, so it was surprising to me to see how few players there actually are.
The popular r/nba sentiment that the Naismith HoF is so easy to get into is, in my personal opinion, mostly the result of an overreaction to Mitch Richmond making it in and the echo chamber that the upvote downvote system encourages (and r/nba makes no effort to combat).
I think it’s exaggerated too, but there are 273 players in MLB HoF for a league that has a much longer history and a a larger roster. The NFL has about 325 former players in but that’s with a starting roster of 22 players. For percentages, about 1.5% of MLB players have made the Hall. About 1.2% of NFL players have made the Pro Football HoF. And about 3.4% of NBA players make it. So 2-3x the other two leagues.
There are contextual reasons for this (some positions in NFL are very hard to make it in from, the number of players that cycle in and out of majors from minors is high, NBA players have more ability to impact each play, etc), but it’s not just made-up sentiment.
I think it’s trickier for DRose than people even realize because the basketball Hall of Fame includes all of their basketball experience and his college stuff doesn’t count since it all got wiped away by the NCAA.
His college career doesn't move the needle for his HOF case regardless. One good season at Memphis with no championship and a 3rd-team All-American. He wasn't even the best player on his team. It's meh for an NBA player.
I don’t think rose deserves to get in. If a player with 5 all nba teams in 12 years to rose’s 1 all nba team in 15 years , who finished his college career as the school’s leader in points, assists, and steals. And was the first player to have their jersey retired by the university doesn’t get into the Basketball hall of fame then Rose doesn’t either. I’m talking about Kevin Johnson. It’s a separate issue and I’m not saying everyone does it but people look a little too fondly at Rose’s career. It was a great 3 year run but that was it. He is a great “what could have been” player. His accolades are a bit comparable to what Ben Simmons has now (3 all stars, ROY, 1 all nba,) Simmons has 2 all defensive teams and finished 2nd one year for DPOY. In less than half the time that Rose played. Nobody is saying Simmons is hall of fame worthy.
DRose is getting in
People can try to logic their way out of this as much as they want based on what *should* happen, but that’s not how the HoF works lol
I think it’s closer to no than yes. He’s 1x All-Star and All-NBA with seven seasons. Granted, he can shoot threes now, so maybe he goes on a run, but it’ll be tough (especially if LeBron, KD, and Steph are all healthy the next three seasons)
Kyle Lowry? I like him but he has 6 all star teams (2 as a starter) when the east was extremely weak and he benefited from that, one all nba team, but he won a ring where he played well and he won a gold medal. That’s probably enough to get him in.
It seems the average “good enough to get in” hall of famer checklist is:
- Play in the league for 10-15 years.
- Have 5+ All-Star selections.
- At least one All-NBA selection.
- Win a championship as a significant player.
Gonna be close but I’d say he doesn’t make it. Also throw in he joined the Heat and they made a finals run and came up short, but 2x appearances for him.
I know the HOF is WAY too lenient for basketball. The line should be someone like Paul George. He's been a very good player, but there is nothing remarkable about the career Paul George has had.
9x All Star 6x All-NBA 4x All Defensive 1x Most Improved and a Gold Medal. Elite 2 way player for lil over a decade. That would be an insanely high bar.
Had to scroll way too far down to see this comment. This is exactly my stance on the HoF and on PG. Just because we’ve been lenient for players in the past doesn’t mean we can’t course correct for the future
If we break it down by active players in the NBA.
Locks: LeBron, KD, Curry, Westbrook, Harden, CP3, Lillard, AD, Klay, Draymond, Giannis, Jokic, Kawhi, PG, Kyrie, Embiid
Very likely: Derozan, Butler, Lowry, Love, Gobert
Younger but looking good: Luka, Tatum, Shai, Mitchell, Booker, KAT
If we factor out those guys and factor out guys who have played less than 5 years like Ant, Wemby, etc., we’re left with a wide range of guys like Trae Young, Jaylen Brown, Derrick Rose, Al Horford, Brad Beal, Jrue Holiday, Khris Middleton, Jalen Brunson, Julius Randle, Pascal Siakam, Damontas Sabonis and Bam Adebayo. Since it’s the basketball hall of fame, I’d bet the majority of this list above ends up making it, though I would guess Khris, Randle and Siakam have the slimmest chance.
Tatum and Luka are absolutely locks already. Luka’s been first team All NBA five seasons straight added to all his accolades from Europe. Tatum’s got three first teams and a ring.
The rest of the those guys could go either way depending on the next decade. Never know.
Based on what, 3 All Stars and 1 All NBA, 0 rings, 0 All Defense, never led the league in any stats, a voided NCAA career and 0 Olympic Gold Medals? I like D Rose too but let's be real here I don't think the criteria for the HOF is that loose even for second or third balloters.
Historically, the line to make the Hall of Fame is 5 or 6 All-Star appearances. Even at 6, some notable names, like Shawn Kemp and Jermaine O'Neal haven't been selected.
Jrue has only two All-Star appearances, and has essentially zero chance at making the Hall of Fame. [Basketball Reference's Hall of Fame Probability model puts Jrue's chances at 0.0167%](https://www.basketball-reference.com/leaders/hof_prob.html).
Among current players, the most borderline guy who could still miss is Al Horford. He's at 5 All-Stars, which is right on the threshold, and obviously won't be making another before he retires. His only All-NBA appearance was one Third Team slot in 2011. [BBRef puts his odds at 23.78%](https://www.basketball-reference.com/leaders/hof_prob.html). That having been said, I think Horford will probably squeak in. The BBRef odds don't calculate in non-NBA achievements, and Horford's back to back NCAA championships will probably be enough to push him over the line. He's got some international success representing the Dominican Republic, too, which should give another little bump. Getting the NBA title this year was pretty big for his candidacy, too.
Another guy who technically counts as a current player, since he hasn't announced his retirement, is John Wall. He's also on that 5-All-Star threshold, with only one Third Team All-NBA appearance. Unlike Horford, however, Wall has little playoff success, nothing relevant in his College career, and no international resume to speak of. It feels like cheating to name Wall, because he didn't play in the NBA this past year, but he's probably the easiest pick for best player to miss the Hall.
Kemp would probably be in already if he won a championship or MVP.
But his prime was too short, and pretty much became a bad player at age 29, when he should have been in the middle of his prime.
Maybe Jamal Murray? I mean of course he has the chip, but aside from that not a TON of playoff success, 0 all star selections, 0 all nba, 0 awards or defensive teams.. his resume is extremely light for how good he actually is
Oladipo being thrown in there really made me do a double take lol. I could have literally taken days to try to think of players who would be close to making it to the hall and his name would never have popped up in my mind.
Likely finish in the top 25? Dudes production could absolutely fall off a cliff and still sleepwalk to top 25. At this point he's basically a shoe-in to get to top 20 and has a very good shot at getting top 15. At that point he's a guarantee for HOF.
Yeah, getting a major injury within the next year or so is really the only thing that could possibly prevent him from getting in I would say. Even with that though, he could get sympathy votes due to the injury limiting his obvious pace.
DeMar has 2 more all NBA appearances which matter more than all star appearances and 3000 more points scored than him. DeRozan will likely end up top 20 in all time points scored by the time he retires, he has a very strong chance of making the hall of fame.
And an Olympic gold medal which Joe doesn’t have.
It doesn’t add that much to your resume but it still matters that he was good enough to make it once (admittedly the weakest post-redeem team roster.)
Yeah, not Dame specifically who is a lock (he made the All 75 team), but there are some names people are throwing around as locks that are making me feel like a small hall curmudgeon.
I'm not sure we've ever seen a "post peak" career like Horford's. Like, guys peak...lose a step and are immediately out of the league. Very good players might stick around with mediocre production for another year or two after they begin their decline.
Horford has "been in decline but still useful" for longer than the vast majority of NBA careers. It's genuinely nuts.
Vinsanity and Lebron are the only two guys I can think of that had anything comparable to him. Maybe Mutombo?
2016 chip + dominant 10 year run, rebounding champion several times, and continued to be productive into his later years, including a finals appearance with the Heat last year. 4x finals appearances.
His peripherals are great as well. He’s a lock
- Olympic gold medal
- Final 4, first team all American
- FIBA gold
- Three point champ + Rebounding champ.. how many will ever do that?
On the latter, it’s more common like but he was also ahead of his time. Dominant rebounder that can hit threes… how many of those came before him?
He's 5x all star and 2x all nba which is tough even for the easy Bball HOF.
He could get in, but saying he's "absolutely" getting in is a bit much, which I think his point was.
There’s a website that tracks HoF probabilities and they put him at 73.5%.
Going off that, I was possibly being hyperbolic, but I genuinely believe he’s getting in.
Yea the [Basketball Reference HOF probability table](https://www.basketball-reference.com/leaders/hof_prob.html) has him at that percentage, with Jimmy Butler and Klay Thompson in the same neighbourhood as far as percentage goes. Definitely a fun scroll through for anyone with some time to kill
jrue probably wont make it on the first chance he is eligible (unless it's a weak class). but i think he will eventually make it
id reckon probably sabonis? unless he can bring sacramento to a conference finals at least once and get out of the 1st round more often, i think he's not a lock to be in the hall of fame. jalen brunson needs to play the same level for about 4 or 5 more seasons before he'll be considered a hall of fame. the other all nba players are either a sure lock already or still very young that they can still build a name for themself
i could totally see sabonis keeping up this production for a couple more years, ending with 6 all stars 3-4 all nba and a couple more rebounding titles. unless sacramento makes a finals run is that enough for the hall? it was for chris webber
Jimmy Butler
Mike Conley
Khris Middleton
Pascal Siakam
Maybe even guys like Kevin Love and DeRozan. They only let in 4 players, max, per year, and there are a lot of guys in front of them.
In their current form? Jamal Murray easily.
He still doesn't have an All Star selection to his name but has had huge moments that most all stars can only dream of having. I don't think he'll have enough time to rack up the All Star games needed for HOF consideration -- but going into next season, he's better than Conley, Beal, Randle, Middleton -- so probably the best?
Nahhh.
KAT is indisputably better than Wiggins and I can’t foresee him making the HOF. I’m just using him as a reference because they were back to back rookie of the year for the wolves.
Mike Conley
He's in the "best player to never...." hall of fame. First ballot.
Hoping Minnesota Mike gets a ring next season!
I fear that this past season was our shot. The West will get better as a whole and I’m not sure what moves we could make with our salary cap situation being so dire. Sorry to be so negative. It’s part of being a MN sports fan I guess. Edit: I appreciate all of the follow ups. Perhaps I’m being too negative regarding the Wolves future lol.
Your best player is 22 years old. It’s very possible you’ll be better next year with no moves
Ant was struggling to keep his legs underneath him with more conditioning I don't see why he just wouldn't get better the next season.
Naz and McDaniels are young too
I mean Edwards could definetly take a leap and become superstar which takes Minny to another level. Right now they don't have a best player on the court against most of the contenders.
Exactly. Whether or not we can continue to contend at a high level is on Ant’s shoulders. If he can continue to grow and consistently be the best player on the court (or compete with the best) he will take the team far. But at the moment he has flashes of playing like Kobe, but isn’t able to do it every night regardless of competition like Kobe.
Luckily Ant is very very young. He’ll have plenty of time to develop as a player. The big question is how fast he can get more consistent. One night he looks like prime MJ then the next he shoots like I would out there
You don't take into consideration ANT getting better or Naz or NAW or Jaden getting better.
It’s mn sports. If you assume the worst, you can’t get hurt
Ant is 22. He has 4-6 years before he peaks. This year was great experience for him. It took Tatum getting to the finals to turn up his conditioning, and he's still figuring it out. And even if y'all lose KAT, y'all have some really good other pieces. I didn't realize Naz is only 24
You guys made a trade to compete for five years. Year 1 was working out the kinks. Year 2 was gelling together. Years 3 & 4 should be putting it all together. I’d be highly shocked if Minnesota doesn’t sniff the Finals once in the next two seasons. I also don’t see the West getting better as a whole. Of the teams that made the playoffs, I only see OKC and your Wolves just being better. Phoenix isn’t built to compete. Kawhi isn’t getting any younger and Harden is who Harden is, and he also isn’t getting any younger. I feel that Dallas over achieved by lucking into matchups that won’t go the same next year. New Orleans isn’t taking some jump towards the top of the conference. Memphis may be healthier next season but I don’t see a revenge tour. And, Golden State is more or less done if they can’t get creative. Oh, and as far as my Lakers go? LeBron’s wind isn’t getting any better and neither Austin Reaves nor D’Lo Russell is a third option on a championship caliber team level player at this stage in LeBron’s career. Maybe they would’ve been at some point when he was 27-36 but not now. Even if our coaching staff is heads and shoulders better, there’s just certain teams we aren’t getting by. And, if D’Lo walks for less money and more long term stability elsewhere, LA is done. Just like with Schröder, that’s $20M in bird rights that cannot be replaced.
Denver i think is still the favorite in the west but they might lose KCP without anyway of replacing him, They need their young guys to actually be playable so bad.
I’m with everyone else. This notion that not winning the championship means you have to shake things up and make moves is way to dramatic most of the time. The wolves made huge strides this year from a competitive standpoint, but even bigger than that established a real identity where by the end of the season people were not looking forward to playing Minnesota at all. Another season letting everyone build off that + the frustration from losing and seeing how close they were should put them in an even better spot next year.
I hope he gets joy in recognition that people who watched him say he is in “The Peoples’ Hall of Fame”
Go Bucks! Sucks Conley couldn’t get one but great career nonetheless.
The best active NBA players I can think of who will *almost certainly* not get into the HoF: Bradley Beal - 3x All-Star - All NBA 3rd Team - Very light playoff resume Julius Randle - 3x All-Star - 2x All-NBA - MIP - Has consistently underperformed in the playoffs Khris Middleton - 3x All-Star - NBA Champion - US Olympic Gold Medalist - Injuries derailed his prime/Buck’s championship window
Idk man. After the Knicks win the next 10 championships in a row, I think Julius Randle would be a hall of famer
I thought the next 5 years were Pat Bev's.
Didn’t you see Minnesota win the championship in the play in game?
Are you saying the play-in game was the Flint Michigan Mega Bowl and nobody told me?
Beal is prob the best answer I’ve seen so far
He's just not THAT good. He's a ball dominant scorer who couldn't even make it out of the second round in the East. His career +/- in the playoffs is -73. Beal was just the top dog on a shit team for so long that we saw his numbers and said, 'hey. That guy can hoop.'
Using +/- while acknowledging his teams sucked is pretty unfair. +/- relies on the other 4 players you are playing with, it's a really bad stat that I rarely see used anymore. Derrick White and Sam Hauser have a higher +/- than Luka and Giannis
While agree with OPs opinion on Beal, I also think people who cite +\- usually waaay overvalue that stat
Beal is what happens when you give any above average scorer a 34% usage rate, an unlimited green light, and a pass to play no defence. Hes good, but nowhere near a HOF level talent.
Zach Lavine checks all of these boxes as well
Never totally got on board with Lavine and the Beal comparison feels like a good one
How was Beal an ‘above average scorer’ when he averaged 31ppg on 58% TS in that season You know how hard it is to have that level of efficiency on that volume lol? I get there’s a circlejerk against Beal because of his horrible contract, but calling him an ‘above average scorer’ that season is an understatement
I came here to write this. While it’s true that he is neither a HOFer or an elite career player, his scoring peak was way better than just “above average.” Same for Lavine.
Not to mention it’s not like opposing teams needed to worry about multiple threats. Outside of a few players here and there Beal was alone on Washington.
Beal is not even close imo…he finally got onto a decent team and was awful. Lot of empty calories in Washington imo, I don’t even think he’s remotely in the conversation for a fringe HOFer. There are a lot of more impactful players that you could make over him for OPs question.
beal showed up in the playoffs for the Wiz in multiple runs and put up 38 points against the #1 seed in a game 7 with an ECF berth on the line. why do people here pretend they actually watched him play before he suffered multiple significant injuries and went to play the wrong role in Phoenix
Khris has a shot if we win another ring I think
It would be a much stronger case if he had been selected to at least one All-NBA team. IIRC, he was really close in 2020, but Westbrook had more guard votes, while Middleton had more All-NBA votes overall but they were split between guard and forward.
It’s crazy to think how different it would have looked for Middleton if some things had changed earlier. Like in that case he probably could have gotten all nba if it was positionless like it is today. And not to mention if conference finals mvp had been introduced just a year earlier he would have an ECF MVP as well.
I think Middleton will probably get in after a few years on the ballot. Getting a ring and being a hero to get there adds **a ton** of weight for the voters. When Giannis went down with that knee injury Khris went off and saved the season. The voters remember stuff like that. Also important to note, the basketball HOF is far and away the easiest HOF to get into.
Just checked to see how many players made the HOF with 0 all-NBA selections and damn, there're 27 guys who did it lol. Includes a lot of European players tbf, along with some players who're helped by college accolades
Yeah still people don’t realize there’s no “NBA HOF” it’s the basketball HOF. All of your accolades and accomplishments as a basketball player at all levels are considered
I think if Randle comes back and produces how he has been for 5-6 more years it’ll look pretty good. He’s only 29 and just started to hit all star form in the last 4 seasons. Add the fact that the Knicks are good and can win it all if things go well, Randle 100% has a shot. No defensive counting stats but shoots the 3 and is a good passer for a black hole big
Towns
KAT’s probably gonna be on the fringe by the time he retires. If we stay good and win a chip and KAT is a contributor in the playoffs for that period I can see him making it though.
If he makes 2 more All Star teams and doesn’t have his career cut super short by injury he’ll be in for sure.
I swear the NBA HoF is the easiest out of all sports to get inducted into the HOF. KAT isn’t HoF material
Yeah it’s hilarious at this point lol. Frank Gore is 3rd all time in rushing yards and 5x pro bowler, all decade team, and he’s a maybe.
Its crazy, he played 16 seasons and averaged 1000 a season for his entire career, and gets no respect Torry Holt had 6 consecutive 1300+ yard seasons and has been waiting to get in for years Jared Allen has been waiting too long, there are a ton of unsung heroes on O/D-Line that have been waiting too long. Sucks to see overly-worthy players not get in year after year
And I won't be shocked when I see someone draft him in the 12th round of my fantasy league just in case he suits up.
He’d probably be good for at least 500 yds and a few tds
> the NBA HoF It's not even the NBA hof, just the basketball hof
When he retire, people will say he changed the game.
'Prime KAT was a PROBLEM'
Jrue will make the Hall of Fame if he wins another gold. Winning NBA championships and gold medals in the same year on multiple occasions has to count for something. Who else has done that?
Scottie did it for 92 and 96.
I think jrue is a lock for the hall of fame at this point
DeMar DeRozan or John Wall
John wall is a great shout.
Thanks, I was surprised nobody else mentioned him
DeMar will be in, I think.
Might not happen for him immediately but I agree, he probably will. 20 years down the line I could see him being a guy they dig up highlights for and tout as an underrated star from the 2010s.
agree hes a bit like C Webb or T Mac, except ceiling not as high but his ceiling was longer.
My brother in christ, Demar DeRozan has averaged 21 points in 1100 games he will be in the hall of fame.
What?!?!? Demar going to get to 27 or 28,000 points, top 15 scorer of all time, I think it’s pretty safe to say he’s in.
Yeah, Demar would be about 3,000 points above the next guy on the list who isn’t in the hall, if he retired today. People still saying he’s borderline at the end of his career are delusional at this point.
DeMar will make it, John Wall will not
In this thread- people not realizing how many guys make the basketball hof
Basketball HOF is so different from other sports leagues bc it includes college & foreign accolades as well
It's the "Basketball Hall of Fame" not the NBA Hall of Fame.
So it means that Dennis Schroder could possibly get in, right?
If he destroys the USA Men’s Team this coming Olympics, maybe he’ll get inducted. The guy didn’t played college ball. No NBA awards. It’s hard even for people with achievements greater than his to get in
He's a world cup MVP
Yeah it’s more like the Basketball Hall of Very Good
If that were so, Horace Grant and Penny Hardaway would be in. There's clearly a line of demarcation between very good and HoF.
Eh - it bleeds through in a ton of places. Penny was a much better player than many guys who made the Hall, his career just got derailed by injury before he even hit his prime, which is why he didn't make the Hall. Chauncey Billups is a textbook Hall of Very Good guy and he just got in. And why is Michael Cooper in the Hall but not Horace Grant?
Michael Cooper was a better player than Horace Grant, at least on paper. 5 titles, DPOY, 8 time all defensive team selection (5 first team) vs Horace Grant’s 4 titles, one all star and 4 second team defensive team selections.
Why do people think “Very Good” and “Fame” are measures on some quality scale? “Fame” doesn’t mean “Excellent.” No sports “Hall of Fame” includes only those participants who displayed singular unparalleled excellence. If they did they wouldn’t be able to have a museum.
Paul George’s one of the most mentioned players in this thread and realistically he’s been a lock before the 2020’s even started lol
by the trend of the last decades that would be around 30 hof players actively playing per season. with around 550 players each season that would be about 5% of the total active players will end in the hof. last season that would be: James, Curry, Durant, Westbrook, Harden, Antetokounmpo, Jokic, Embiid, Doncic, Tatum, Leonard, Paul, Lillard, Davis, Green, Irving, George, Thompson, Butler, Gobert, Lowry that leaves 10 spaces for the rest.
Wouldnt this be Derrick Rose?
I think they're gonna let him in and I'd be really surprised if they didn't.
I disagree. If he had a couple more seasons at that level, sure. But you’d effectively be giving him a career award for a single season in this case. The MVP is already the recognition of that season. Other than that he had a decent rookie season, 1.5 run of the mill all star seasons, and then a decade as a 6th man type on mediocre teams. No rings (barely any playoff wins), no awards outside that season, nothing interesting in his career stats. I get it - he was derailed by injury and the Hall lets in anybody. But Rose would be the weakest case possible, truly on the back of one year. I can see it going either way.
It's not even that his career was derailed, it's just that the Hall lets anyone in and Drose was the youngest MVP in NBA history. If the purpose of the Hall of Fame is to preserve the history of the game as completely as possible, and that's the reason why so many guys make it in, then I don't see why Derrick Rose can't be included. I mean, for what it's worth, we may not see a player that young dominate the league like that ever again. Legends of the game who were noted as transitioning to professional play well, like Kareem, Lebron, Larry, Magic, MJ, etc. never won THAT young. Hell, not to say Luka belongs in this conversation, but Luka was already a league MVP by the time he was drafted, and he STILL hasn't won MVP. It's not even about "what could've been," it's what was, if only for a season.
> If the purpose of the Hall of Fame is to preserve the history of the game as completely as possible It's not. It's to preserve the history of the game, but nowhere near "completely". Preserving the game anywhere near "completely" would have to let in like 10x the number of people currently in. There's all sorts of one year accolades, amazing performances, great careers, stellar postseasons, etc that aren't currently in. > we may not see a player that young dominate the league like that ever again. He didn't dominate the league. He won MVP in a down statistical year and got wiped in the ECF. It was a great season, but it wasn't dominant. And I still don't understand to this day how anyone voted for Rose over Lebron (I'd also put Howard ahead of him that year, but I digress). And Rose was 22 that year and put up a 25/4/8. Recent 22 year old performances - Luka 28/9/9, Tatum 26/8/4, Edwards 26/5/5, SGA 24/5/6. Seems to be pretty much par for 22 year old blossoming stars to be honest. What do you think Wemby is going to put up in 2 more years when he's 22?
I agree with your main argument but comparing stats from different eras don’t mean much
We’re still watching the highlights 14 years later. You’re right on the stats and the record, but the NBA is an entertainment product, and he produced the shit outta some entertainment. I wouldn’t be surprised if he got in.
Realistically DRose played in a slower era, that 25-8 ppg adjusted for increase in pace would be close to 27-9 today. He also had to play with absolutely atrocious spacing: 2 complete non-shooters in Noah and Boozer occupying the paint. And then Bulls had the best record in the NBA ahead of LBJ (who had 2 all-stars on his team in Wade and Bosh) and Spurs (who have been team-first team for a decade by then). Maybe one could argue for Dwight (Howard in the same situation as Rose with the amount of help), but 10 wins behind a player who had equally impressive stats is difficult to overcome.
& Noah missed nearly half the season to injury & Boozer missed time as well
I think he should be. It’s already so watered down anyway. An mvp is pretty much a free ticket in.
he was the only MVP not included in the NBA 75 so the precedent is already there to deny him something no other MVP was denied
If you put him in the top 75 you’re taking a spot from someone else.. putting him in the hall doesn’t take anything from anyone
NBA 75 team is like you said 75 players. Go look up how many are in the hall lol
There are 110 NBA players in the basketball hall of fame as of today. So I’m not sure why you’re acting like 75 is so wildly different.
Prople in this sub have convinced other people in this sub that the hall of fame is so easy to get into anyone whose made an all star game has made it in
11 players from the 75 nba aren't in the HoF. 40% of HoF aren't in the top 75.
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Note that I said, there are only 110 NBA players in the hall of fame. There are 177 players total, including women (mostly from the WNBA), and players from other pro leagues. There are 436 inductees total, which is the number people usually site, but they are mostly coaches, contributors, referees and historical teams, like the first team, original Celtic team, first all black team, harlem globetrotters, etc. I was just there this weekend for the first time, so it was surprising to me to see how few players there actually are. The popular r/nba sentiment that the Naismith HoF is so easy to get into is, in my personal opinion, mostly the result of an overreaction to Mitch Richmond making it in and the echo chamber that the upvote downvote system encourages (and r/nba makes no effort to combat).
I think it’s exaggerated too, but there are 273 players in MLB HoF for a league that has a much longer history and a a larger roster. The NFL has about 325 former players in but that’s with a starting roster of 22 players. For percentages, about 1.5% of MLB players have made the Hall. About 1.2% of NFL players have made the Pro Football HoF. And about 3.4% of NBA players make it. So 2-3x the other two leagues. There are contextual reasons for this (some positions in NFL are very hard to make it in from, the number of players that cycle in and out of majors from minors is high, NBA players have more ability to impact each play, etc), but it’s not just made-up sentiment.
How many NBA players do you think are in the HoF?
I think it’s trickier for DRose than people even realize because the basketball Hall of Fame includes all of their basketball experience and his college stuff doesn’t count since it all got wiped away by the NCAA.
Does the HOF typically care about NCAA punishments/violations like that?
Chris Webber made it in but he also had a better college and NBA career than DRose.
His college career doesn't move the needle for his HOF case regardless. One good season at Memphis with no championship and a 3rd-team All-American. He wasn't even the best player on his team. It's meh for an NBA player.
I don’t think rose deserves to get in. If a player with 5 all nba teams in 12 years to rose’s 1 all nba team in 15 years , who finished his college career as the school’s leader in points, assists, and steals. And was the first player to have their jersey retired by the university doesn’t get into the Basketball hall of fame then Rose doesn’t either. I’m talking about Kevin Johnson. It’s a separate issue and I’m not saying everyone does it but people look a little too fondly at Rose’s career. It was a great 3 year run but that was it. He is a great “what could have been” player. His accolades are a bit comparable to what Ben Simmons has now (3 all stars, ROY, 1 all nba,) Simmons has 2 all defensive teams and finished 2nd one year for DPOY. In less than half the time that Rose played. Nobody is saying Simmons is hall of fame worthy.
DRose is getting in People can try to logic their way out of this as much as they want based on what *should* happen, but that’s not how the HoF works lol
I think the MVP carries. He doesn’t have the strongest resume but I think just that season is enough.
De’Aaron Fox maybe
Just so early to call though.
I think it’s closer to no than yes. He’s 1x All-Star and All-NBA with seven seasons. Granted, he can shoot threes now, so maybe he goes on a run, but it’ll be tough (especially if LeBron, KD, and Steph are all healthy the next three seasons)
He’s been in the league 7 years and has one playoff and all star appearance. I think it’s pretty fair to call.
Ooh I like this one
Bradley Beal
Kyle Lowry? I like him but he has 6 all star teams (2 as a starter) when the east was extremely weak and he benefited from that, one all nba team, but he won a ring where he played well and he won a gold medal. That’s probably enough to get him in.
I think the ring gets him in
It seems the average “good enough to get in” hall of famer checklist is: - Play in the league for 10-15 years. - Have 5+ All-Star selections. - At least one All-NBA selection. - Win a championship as a significant player.
Also an Olympic gold medal (2016)
He’s in
Gonna be close but I’d say he doesn’t make it. Also throw in he joined the Heat and they made a finals run and came up short, but 2x appearances for him.
Hes locked in
I know the HOF is WAY too lenient for basketball. The line should be someone like Paul George. He's been a very good player, but there is nothing remarkable about the career Paul George has had.
9x All Star 6x All-NBA 4x All Defensive 1x Most Improved and a Gold Medal. Elite 2 way player for lil over a decade. That would be an insanely high bar.
Compare his career to T Mac and you'll see he'll probably get in.
I didn’t realize the nba hall was so lenient and immediately thought PG was the answer to this
Had to scroll way too far down to see this comment. This is exactly my stance on the HoF and on PG. Just because we’ve been lenient for players in the past doesn’t mean we can’t course correct for the future
If we break it down by active players in the NBA. Locks: LeBron, KD, Curry, Westbrook, Harden, CP3, Lillard, AD, Klay, Draymond, Giannis, Jokic, Kawhi, PG, Kyrie, Embiid Very likely: Derozan, Butler, Lowry, Love, Gobert Younger but looking good: Luka, Tatum, Shai, Mitchell, Booker, KAT If we factor out those guys and factor out guys who have played less than 5 years like Ant, Wemby, etc., we’re left with a wide range of guys like Trae Young, Jaylen Brown, Derrick Rose, Al Horford, Brad Beal, Jrue Holiday, Khris Middleton, Jalen Brunson, Julius Randle, Pascal Siakam, Damontas Sabonis and Bam Adebayo. Since it’s the basketball hall of fame, I’d bet the majority of this list above ends up making it, though I would guess Khris, Randle and Siakam have the slimmest chance.
Gobert has to be a lock.
Tatum and Luka are absolutely locks already. Luka’s been first team All NBA five seasons straight added to all his accolades from Europe. Tatum’s got three first teams and a ring. The rest of the those guys could go either way depending on the next decade. Never know.
Derrick Rose easily. He'll be the only MVP never to make the hall of fame. He probably would have been a lock if he never got injured.
he'll make it eventually
Based on what, 3 All Stars and 1 All NBA, 0 rings, 0 All Defense, never led the league in any stats, a voided NCAA career and 0 Olympic Gold Medals? I like D Rose too but let's be real here I don't think the criteria for the HOF is that loose even for second or third balloters.
he’s the youngest MVP ever with a long career despite huge injury setbacks. that counts for something
I'm not saying he deserves it but that mvp will get him in eventually on a weak year
Historically, the line to make the Hall of Fame is 5 or 6 All-Star appearances. Even at 6, some notable names, like Shawn Kemp and Jermaine O'Neal haven't been selected. Jrue has only two All-Star appearances, and has essentially zero chance at making the Hall of Fame. [Basketball Reference's Hall of Fame Probability model puts Jrue's chances at 0.0167%](https://www.basketball-reference.com/leaders/hof_prob.html). Among current players, the most borderline guy who could still miss is Al Horford. He's at 5 All-Stars, which is right on the threshold, and obviously won't be making another before he retires. His only All-NBA appearance was one Third Team slot in 2011. [BBRef puts his odds at 23.78%](https://www.basketball-reference.com/leaders/hof_prob.html). That having been said, I think Horford will probably squeak in. The BBRef odds don't calculate in non-NBA achievements, and Horford's back to back NCAA championships will probably be enough to push him over the line. He's got some international success representing the Dominican Republic, too, which should give another little bump. Getting the NBA title this year was pretty big for his candidacy, too. Another guy who technically counts as a current player, since he hasn't announced his retirement, is John Wall. He's also on that 5-All-Star threshold, with only one Third Team All-NBA appearance. Unlike Horford, however, Wall has little playoff success, nothing relevant in his College career, and no international resume to speak of. It feels like cheating to name Wall, because he didn't play in the NBA this past year, but he's probably the easiest pick for best player to miss the Hall.
Kemp has no business not being in the HOF
Kemp would probably be in already if he won a championship or MVP. But his prime was too short, and pretty much became a bad player at age 29, when he should have been in the middle of his prime.
Maybe Jamal Murray? I mean of course he has the chip, but aside from that not a TON of playoff success, 0 all star selections, 0 all nba, 0 awards or defensive teams.. his resume is extremely light for how good he actually is
Murray, Oladipo, Wall, Beal, Middleton, Porzingis, KAT, Vuc, Lavine, Jrue, Wiggins
Oladipo being thrown in there really made me do a double take lol. I could have literally taken days to try to think of players who would be close to making it to the hall and his name would never have popped up in my mind.
no shot you threw Vuc in their lmao, one AS appearance in 2019 does not make him all that
Talent wise I think lavine is a solid name for this.
Derozan
I think DeRozan is in even though he seems like a prime example of Hall of Very Good player.
Nah he’s in. 23000 points and still counting, will likely end up in the top 25 in all time scoring. That alone will get him in
Likely finish in the top 25? Dudes production could absolutely fall off a cliff and still sleepwalk to top 25. At this point he's basically a shoe-in to get to top 20 and has a very good shot at getting top 15. At that point he's a guarantee for HOF.
I’m just saying in case of injury, never really know. But yeah even if he drops to 18 PPG at 70 games for the next three season he’d be 12th all time.
Yeah, getting a major injury within the next year or so is really the only thing that could possibly prevent him from getting in I would say. Even with that though, he could get sympathy votes due to the injury limiting his obvious pace.
6-time all-star, 3-time ALL-NBA, gold medal, 23k+ points, and he's still active, having just put 24/4/5. That's a hall of famer.
I'll point out that Joe Johnson is basically "The Line" if your career is better than Joe you're in. DeRozen is at the same level.
DeMar has 2 more all NBA appearances which matter more than all star appearances and 3000 more points scored than him. DeRozan will likely end up top 20 in all time points scored by the time he retires, he has a very strong chance of making the hall of fame.
And an Olympic gold medal which Joe doesn’t have. It doesn’t add that much to your resume but it still matters that he was good enough to make it once (admittedly the weakest post-redeem team roster.)
BBall Ref only has him at a 46% probability rn, so no it’s not an “easy in”.
I can't tell if the fact that I'm not seeing Booker's name in here means people think he's terrible or people think he's headed for the HOF.
That's how I felt about Dame, but maybe I'm overrating what it takes to get in.
Yeah, not Dame specifically who is a lock (he made the All 75 team), but there are some names people are throwing around as locks that are making me feel like a small hall curmudgeon.
Booker will rack up all stars and all nbas and probably end up making it
With the way the Hall Of Fame is headed, Kyle Kuzma
Rings erneh!
Al Horford? He’s right on the borderline for me. DeMar DeRozan? DeAndre Jordan?
Horford is a shoe in though because of his college career combined with his long and productive nba career.
Yup. When it’s all said and done his career totals are going to be wild because he’s been a B+/A- player for an *insane* amount of time.
I'm not sure we've ever seen a "post peak" career like Horford's. Like, guys peak...lose a step and are immediately out of the league. Very good players might stick around with mediocre production for another year or two after they begin their decline. Horford has "been in decline but still useful" for longer than the vast majority of NBA careers. It's genuinely nuts. Vinsanity and Lebron are the only two guys I can think of that had anything comparable to him. Maybe Mutombo?
Tim Duncan
first Dominican with a ring too. He’s a lock
Horford won b2b in college. he's a shoe in
No shot DeAndre Jordan makes it, despite having one of the greatest dunks of all time.
Al got a chip and went b2b in NCAA championship. I'd be surprised if he didn't make it.
Derozan is a great pick for this discussion. He might get in though, but if he doesn’t he’s a perfect answer.
What do you guys think of Kevin Love? Will he make it?🙌
Yes, Love will absolutely be HoF
I love Kevin Love (grew up not far from me) but absolutely is a damn stretch. I’d love to know why you think he’s *absolutely* gonna get in.
2016 chip + dominant 10 year run, rebounding champion several times, and continued to be productive into his later years, including a finals appearance with the Heat last year. 4x finals appearances.
His peripherals are great as well. He’s a lock - Olympic gold medal - Final 4, first team all American - FIBA gold - Three point champ + Rebounding champ.. how many will ever do that? On the latter, it’s more common like but he was also ahead of his time. Dominant rebounder that can hit threes… how many of those came before him?
He was productive on Team USA in the FIBA championships too I believe
He's 5x all star and 2x all nba which is tough even for the easy Bball HOF. He could get in, but saying he's "absolutely" getting in is a bit much, which I think his point was.
Did Love win an Olympic gold? I think that almost guarantees him HOF alongside his NBA accolades.
There’s a website that tracks HoF probabilities and they put him at 73.5%. Going off that, I was possibly being hyperbolic, but I genuinely believe he’s getting in.
Love is a lock to get in. You weren't being hyperbolic. Maybe he'll have to wait a few years, but not that long.
Yea the [Basketball Reference HOF probability table](https://www.basketball-reference.com/leaders/hof_prob.html) has him at that percentage, with Jimmy Butler and Klay Thompson in the same neighbourhood as far as percentage goes. Definitely a fun scroll through for anyone with some time to kill
Demar DeRozan was the first name that popped in my head.
Being top 20 in points all time will get him in. Interested to see where he signs this year. Get that ring Deebo
Donovan Mitchell maybe? He definitely could build up a resume but only one all-nba team so far.
jrue probably wont make it on the first chance he is eligible (unless it's a weak class). but i think he will eventually make it id reckon probably sabonis? unless he can bring sacramento to a conference finals at least once and get out of the 1st round more often, i think he's not a lock to be in the hall of fame. jalen brunson needs to play the same level for about 4 or 5 more seasons before he'll be considered a hall of fame. the other all nba players are either a sure lock already or still very young that they can still build a name for themself
Sabonis getting in would be historic. First Father-Son duo in the Hall of Fame.
Jrue is gonna make it. Especially if Boston manages a repeat next year and it doesn’t look like they’re going to be any weaker.
i could totally see sabonis keeping up this production for a couple more years, ending with 6 all stars 3-4 all nba and a couple more rebounding titles. unless sacramento makes a finals run is that enough for the hall? it was for chris webber
Joe Johnson
Theres a chance ge will make the HOF but i think he wont. Kyle Lowry
I think he should make it but if Kevin Johnson didn’t, then it’s not a good sign for Lowry unfortunately.
Jimmy Butler Mike Conley Khris Middleton Pascal Siakam Maybe even guys like Kevin Love and DeRozan. They only let in 4 players, max, per year, and there are a lot of guys in front of them.
Butler and K Love gets in. Also doesn't K Love have a gold medal? Might be misremembering
He does. Love was on the 2012 Olympics roster that won gold in London.
Hmm jrue holiday might have the best carrer . Karl Anthony Towns , Brandon Ingram , Zion Willams talent wise
In their current form? Jamal Murray easily. He still doesn't have an All Star selection to his name but has had huge moments that most all stars can only dream of having. I don't think he'll have enough time to rack up the All Star games needed for HOF consideration -- but going into next season, he's better than Conley, Beal, Randle, Middleton -- so probably the best?
Tony brothers and Scott foster.
Andrew Wiggins Not that good this year, but #1 pick, allstar, champ and wont make it at this rate
He's not even close to the best player who won't make the Hall. That All-Star was undeserved ballot stuffing.
*all star starter
Nahhh. KAT is indisputably better than Wiggins and I can’t foresee him making the HOF. I’m just using him as a reference because they were back to back rookie of the year for the wolves.
Sabonis?