Trump had 15 boxes full of classified documents, many at SCI level which means you can only view them in a secure room. Anyone else with an SCI document at their home would be toast by now.
When the DOJ tried to find the boxes, he first said they were \*his\* documents. Then he said he turned them all over. When the DOJ found more boxes in the raid on Mar-a-Lago, Trump appears to have moved the remaining boxes in an effort to hide them.
Any questions? These are the actions of a criminal, a fraud, an agent working for another country. We have to assume that the SCI information has already been sold.
Remember when a dozen GOP politicians stormed into a SCIF with their cell phones and started recording?
Literally nothing happened to them.
I would be fired and have my security clearance revoked if I were caught with a goddamn iPod in a SCIF, potentially sued if something got leaked.
But I guess it’s different if you’re a conservative. The DOJ likes you enough to wave it away as “boys will be boys!”
The very same people who freaked out about Hillary's emails. They also didn't care when Trump and his people were doing pretty much the exact same stuff.
you mean by pretty much the exact same stuff.. FAR FAR FAR FAR WORSE?
1. trump refused to give up his unsecure phone despite we found rouge cell towers around the WH
2. trump was seen openly talking policy on the phone at a crowded mars largo dinner. and they had caught a chinese spy at mars largo some time earlier.
3. trump stored documents in a public place, hilaries were on her password protected email server and not a public place.. and yeah anthoney weiner kept some emails she had mailed his wife.. not sure what his laptop had them on but i guess his wife checked her mail there.
4. trump gave the russians intel on a planned attack to the russians which came from the israels who asked us not to even share it with allies for fear the russians might get it, and warn assad, and they might find the embedded israeli agent.
5. trump tweeted classified sat photo without allowing our agencies to degrade it first.
6. trump liked to brag he had classified docs.
7. he tore up and threw in toilet documents that needed to be saved. tons of stuff are being saved in the archives that were dried and retapped by aids. luckily trump normally did two tears, twice in half.
8. a good bit of trumps team couldnt pass security clearances after several tries and trump just ordered them cleared.
Im sure i missed a lot but the shit pile called trump is never ending. (oh yeah and hilary never claimed the classified crap was hers to keep and cooperated fully in the investigation.. yeah her machine was destoyed, you should read the DHS rules on deservicing machines used for government work. SHe did as she was supposed to, well actually she was supposed to destroy them worse than she did. Bleachbit is only good enough for computers without classified crap.. things that had classified, you destroy the HDs)
he gave up multiple US and allied agents to have them be killed. There was like a unprecedented amount of agents being killed suddenly a few months after he got elected.
He is the definition of a traitor.
One of the notable ones was someone who had access to documents on Putins desk. It took a very long time to get that agent in place. And Trump burned them, just to brag to a member of the Russian government in a meeting.
At least that incident is the one where many Republicans that I know started moving away from Trump when they realized that this guy was incredibly damaging to the US.
If I remember correctly it was the one time he visited troops for Christmas. And instead of following opsec and using a photo from the military photographers he just took one with his phone and uploaded straight to twitter.
Well…remember his comment that he could kill someone, and his base wouldn’t do a damn thing about it? Well I guess he did kill someone, many someone’s, and we’re seeing his base do nothing about it.
>4. trump gave the russians intel on a planned attack to the russians which came from the israels who asked us not to even share it with allies for fear the russians might get it, and warn assad, and they might find the embedded israeli agent.
This story is so much bigger than this makes it sound.
This incident happened during a secret White House meeting with the top two Russian intelligence officers stationed in the US, the day after Trump fired James Comey as head of the FBI for starting an investigation into Trump's connections with Russia. During that meeting, Trump laughed and joked with them, and acted eager to please, bragging that he had fired Comey, and disparaging him as "crazy" and a "nut job," and assuring the Russians that the new investigation into his Russian connections was now over.
It was during this secret meeting, in which Trump fawned over these known Russian Intelligence Officers (the Ambassador and the Foreign Minister), that he tried to impress them further by disclosing highly classified intelligence of an Israeli covert operation, that endangered the secret identity of an undercover Israeli intelligence asset embedded with ISIS. The Israelis were outraged at this dangerous disclosure, and threatened to no longer share intelligence with the US.
This meeting was never disclosed to the American press, and was only discovered when the Russian photographer posted photos of the meeting (featuring Trump laughing it up with Russian intelligence officers) on his personal website.
If not for that discovery, we would probably never have learned about this meeting. It makes me wonder what other secret meetings with Russians or other hostile foreign operatives Trump met with and offered classified info.
Trump yakking it up with Russian intelligence agents in secret meeting that the US public and press was never supposed to know about on the day after firing Comey for investigating his connections to Russia:
[#1](https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSvIUimoMWTAlRVWuC5Fm7ixxN5-gD8u7382x8KMT04dg&usqp=CAU&ec=48600112)
[#2](https://media.npr.org/assets/img/2017/05/10/gettyimages-681529300_wide-0242147ade9d8cd2832393d9d1a656c86b6b7762-s900-c85.webp)
[#3](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C_eXPgqXgAAlT2R?format=jpg&name=900x900)
[#4](https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTXkrQHk2OdEHpNTbxoxLp3er5KzxKwU0PWCHYqYXJFqw&usqp=CAU&ec=48600112)
Remember, these photos were taken by a Russian photographer, because the American press was never informed of Trump's meeting with Russian spies - even though the White House press corp were in the building at the time.
Sources:
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/19/us/politics/trump-russia-comey.html
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/15/us/politics/trump-russia-classified-information-isis.html
And not just trump. Kushner was able to push through a billion dollar deal with the saudis.
Plus the whole floors that the saudis rented at trump branded hotels but never used.
What else went on during trump’s time in the White House?
We should seriously be revoking republicans access to security areas and documents. They are all Brody from the tv show homeland.
>What else went on during trump’s time in the White House?
Mostly what went on was Trump trading whatever he had access to for cold, hard cash. Its how a mobster thinks. If he has control of something with value, he's not going to let it go with squeezing it for every possible penny. It started the moment he was elected, when he instantly doubled the application fee and annual fees to the members of his country clubs, putting them in the $250K per year range.
If you want to really torture yourself, look into the financing for his inauguration. He collected twice as much as Obama did (over $100 million), and yet he spent only about a 1/3 of what Obama spent, and ALL of it was spent at his own DC hotel, for which he charged his own inauguration fund OUTRAGIOUSLY inflated costs for ballrooms, catering, etc. Of course, all the profits from those inflated prices go directly into his pocket. Classic money laundering scheme.
And what about any leftover money? What happens to it? Who knows? The inauguration is not a campaign event, so campaign financing rules dont apply. It's just a big party, so the excess money probably just belongs to the guy throwing the party.
In addition, the inauguration fund is 100% unregulated in any way. Nobody knows exactly how much is collected, from who it comes, where it comes from (Russia? China? Saudi Arabia? Corporations? Billionaires? Etc.) and if the money came with any conditions. It's an easy way to collect bribes because it is totally, and legally, dark money. Nobody is handing over envelopes of cash, they are just donating to the inauguration fund.
They also paid over $25 million to the event planner, who was a friend of Melania. I work lots of events for a living, and no event planner makes anywhere close to that kind of money for anything, not even a presidential inauguration. Obviously most of that money was to be kicked back to Trump under the table, another classic money laundering scheme. The planner had a falling out with Melania soon after, and it is likely that it was over how much she was expected to kick back. You know how people who get involved in schemes like that behave. They are essentially criminals, and once the money is in their criminal hands, they are loathe to return any of it, or share it. Of course, she can never talk about it, or she'll go to prison, while Trump would probably go free, and defame her in every media possible.
So Trump's inauguration was likely a swamp of dark money, bribery, kickbacks, price-gouging, and money laundering - all during his first week in office. No wonder he was so pissed off about the election results, and missing out on that opportunity for an easy score.
This is the reality and why I'm not sure we can walk back from this ledge. There is no way that I can see to bring those people back. I think the country is irreparably divided.
This is the reason why that country is becoming more and more of a shithole. Republicans will commit terrorism against their own country, do anything and everything illegal and unethical under the sun, and forcibly halt and quiet any voices that speak out against them. And because their underhanded tactics earn them so much influence and authority in the government, they're not held accountable and thus are able to continue doing this sort of shit.
You can't win when one side isn't willing or able to keep up with the dirty tactics of the other.
The GOP are fascists. They are literal nazis.
> Republicans will commit terrorism against their own country,
They've been doing that on an annual basis with the debt ceiling since Obama was President. Dem President & Republican House = the latter violating the 14th Amendment to extract policy concessions which demonstrably make life worse for the vast majority of the population. Which is literally all of their policies.
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>7. he tore up and threw in toilet documents that needed to be saved. tons of stuff are being saved in the archives that were dried and retapped by aids. luckily trump normally did two tears, twice in half.
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>8. a good bit of trumps team couldnt pass security clearances after several tries and trump just ordered them cleared.
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any more info on these 2?
It's pretty simple, they're fascist. The whole point is for rules for thee, not for me.
They revel in the hypocrisy. They *like* it, it makes them feel powerful.
They're treasonous pos. We should be debating on if they deserve the death penalty, not letting them hold office.
What they claimed / believed she was doing, he is actually doing. That's how it's the "same".
"If you were mad about that (which wasn't even that, but you sure acted like it was) then you have to be about this, because this is *actually* that," is what's being said.
Of course, the fact they aren't upset about this, just underscores how disingenuous they always were about feigning outrage over that.
I remember when Trump proudly sat in a deposition in front of Congress for 11 hours answering question after question, never faltering in his sworn testimony about Benghazi. Oh wait that was Hillary.
What I remember was a group of 8 GOP congressmen in 2018 spending the 4th of July kissing Putin’s ring in Moscow, the “Prostrate Eight:” Sens. Richard C. Shelby (Ala.), Steve Daines (Mont.), John Hoeven (N.D.), John Neely Kennedy (La.), Jerry Moran (Kan.), John Thune (S.D.) and Johnson, plus Rep. Kay Granger (Tex.). They posed for propaganda and an actual US headline was “After Moscow Trip, Ron Johnson Says Election Meddling Overblown.” On the same day 2 more victims in the UK were confirmed poisoned by Novichok.
Bro you’d be in jail. Laws only apply to normal people who actually pay attention to their indoc briefs.
I’d be called extreme but this is treason. The French did a better job at dealing with these situations.
Merrick Garland's Justice Department will probably be bringing up actual charges on Trump right after the sun consumes the planet in a few billion years. It's like they are waiting to lose power so they can punt this.
This crap should have been dealt with already. They aren't going to put Trump in jail. Doubt they will even put him under house arrest. The worst the rich white man will get is a slap on the wrist. Same as it ever was.
They'll learn when they are marching to camps or jail. Keep letting one side break laws with no consequences while saying they want you dead, don't be surprised when they figure out they can skip to the end.
Did the dems skip history classes or something? The GOP has been checking off boxes as they work their way down the checklist of shit the nazis did.
We're coming up on the equivalent of the second coup after the failed coup on the checklist. Then it'll be the night of the long knives as the figureheads of the GOP take out the independents, dems, and RINOs that were complicit in their shenanigans. Sinema and Manchin won't be safe at all. They've already tested their brownshirts in Florida too.
After that it'll be camps for all the political undesirables like trans, gays, uppity women, etc.
They should go as hard as they can at this point, being tolerant of this horseshit just paints a target on their back as the other side lies and cheats and bitches you're politicizing processes anyways. They're already telling their base that they're targeting them politically and trying to jail them so the base is already riled up about something that hasn't happened yet.
It's clear at this point that either the entire Democratic party is monumentally gullible and ignorant of both history and basic common sense, or they are somehow serving a common cause with the Republicans as two sides of the same coin.
They don’t represent anyone but themselves and corporate America. That is their allegiance and republicans share that. If they start opening up the illegal shit one person is doing, it spoils the fun for everyone. Have to keep the gravy train coming while exploiting people as much as they can get away with.
The facts are, an alarmingly small percentage of people that end up in politics/lawmakers come from blue collar, middle or lower class backgrounds. We’re not being represented by the right people from the start.
Same as it ever was..same as it ever was.
And you may ask yourself, "How do I work this?"
And you may ask yourself, "Where is that large automobile?"
And you may tell yourself, "This is not my beautiful house"
And you may tell yourself, "This is not my beautiful wife" - It's Jean Carrol
The Dems? You guys have police, FBI, justice departments etc, many, many people whose actual job is dealing with criminals. Why would the onus be on the Dems? They tried twice to impeach this criminal, what more can they do?
a very cynical but also greatly charitable interpretation: the democrats are aware the system is busted to hell and they don't want to make the populace panic by exposing how the powerful can in fact act with impunity
It is almost like there was a past historical lesson where the courts were soft on the right and very harsh on the left it was I think in Germany in like the 1920s
Politicians known to carry guns in the chamber running through the metal detectors, which go off, then they just keep walking just blew my mind. No idea how everyone else was just like “ok, I don’t feel safe being in a room with these clowns with guns now”.
Anybody else, they would have stripped your home to the studs to find these documents, and if they didn't find them they'd do the same to your momma's house and any other property you're vaguely associated with until they're found.
You don't have an army of hogs willing to commit murder to protect you. Every time they use kiddie gloves with trump it is telling his followers "your terrorism is working"
> When the DOJ found more boxes in the raid on Mar-a-Lago
It was not a raid. A raid would have been a sudden, unexpected incursion.
None of the events on August 8, 2022 were sudden or unexpected. It was 15 months in the making.
May 2021 - NARA noticed that documents were missing, specifically the love letter Kim Jong-un to Trump, and requested the document to be returned.
June 2021 - NARA instructed Trump's team to return the document via FedEx.
January 2022 - NARA retrieves 15 boxes of documents that should have been returned after Trump stopped occupying the White House. Those 15 boxes included highly sensitive classified documents.
February 2022 - NARA sends criminal referral to DOJ.
April 2022 - DOJ initiates a criminal investigation and grand jury process.
May 2022 - NARA instructs Trumps team to stop fucking around and return the stolen documents.
May 2022 - Subpoena #1 (retrieval of documents labelled "Classified")
June 2022 - Multiple Trump employees caught on camera moving boxes between Trump residences. This occurred multiple times on multiple days.
June 2022 - Subpoena #2 (surveillance footage from Mar-a-Lago)
July/August 2022 - Probable cause is established to obtain a search warrant (warrant issued on Aug. 5, 2022)
August 8, 2022 - Search warrant executed.
December 7, 2022 - More classified documents found at another Trump residence.
Trump knew for many, many months that he was under investigation. He had ample time to return what he stole.
It was not a raid. It was a search warrant being executed.
I'm wondering if they found any copies from the original 15 boxes he returned. You can't tell me he didn't make copies before returning those. He is dumb enough to do it and think he was owning the National Archives in doing so. He was dumb enough to hold a "dress rehearsal" to move the ones he didn't return. Also where are the documents that were removed from the "Classified folders" that had been discovered empty?
I wish I had a source, so take it with a mountain of salt, but I'm pretty sure I read there's a laptop involved that had documents an aide scanned into it that the person had offsite.
I'm curious too; I understand the legal system in filled with red tape, and they have to take their time to make charges stick, but I'm curious what his dumbass has left in a trail of breadcrumbs. The way lawyers are dropping him as a client make me think he's not only paying, it's too damning for the exposure to be worth it (see : Christopher Darden w/ a guilty defendant)
He's been successful because he is great at being a huge blowhard conman. He just needs to trick people who are even more stupid than him (which is a huge group).
His profile and fortune were dwindling when he got The Apprentice, which saved him. When that show was winding down, he latched on to the "Obama isn't American" bandwagon and rode that into politics. He always plays the victim and blames others for his problems, which appealed to a large group of voters who do not like any self-reflection - all problems are scapegoated. And anytime he's investigated, he declares "WITCHUNT!", with his followers believing he's "being unfairly persecuted". He has successfully used that strategy for years, and so far, he's mostly gotten away with it.
He can be both. He's absolutely stupid, privileged, spoiled, and getting away with it. I agree with all of that. He's just been surrounded by money that his stupidity doesn't matter much. Wealth does that.
Hundreds of people closely related to Donald have attributed abject stupidity to him, but people that have never met him swear to his intelligence. You don't have to listen to people that have known him for decades like his niece or his fixers. All you have to do is listen to him speak once and you can tell Donald has a limited vocabulary and he sounds moronic.
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[And you didn't even capture all of those events either](https://www.voanews.com/a/timeline-of-the-trump-documents-inquiry-/6734453.html) (But to your point it was a complex timeline over many months)
Thanks for this. I think there's a lot of assumptions that the 15 boxes appeared on August 8th, not that *more* was recovered at that time. This was my initial understanding.
You know what the most damning thing is? You find a file or two at Biden's house, you think 'he was probably reading that'. You find even one government file at Trump's, and there's [no way he was reading it](https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-looks-at-charts-in-intelligence-briefings-2020-5?r=US&IR=T). Let alone a u-haul full. The guy has sold things all his life; he spent the Presidency selling his stuff to government employees, in violation of the emoluments clause. There are only two reasons Trump does *anything*; revenge, or money. Pick one.
Normally I'd be worried, but hey, if the CIA and all them don't seem to give a shit, why should I?
They even said assets got burned because of the leaks
That's the part that bothers me.
Intelligence assets are fucking *valuable*. If they get whacked, CIA is going to have an even harder time replacing that asset.
They can't *not* care. The question is one of what can they do? Why aren't we seeing it?
Or is the FBI handling this as a true national security incident, and the information regarding any investigation is *maybe* knowledge of Biden and the DoJ, but they have it so tight lipped we won't find out until an arrest?
Imagine being a Saudi whose loved one was brutally killed because Trumps son in law sold US intel about dissidents to MBS.
Imagine being someone in the field wondering if Trump sold (or gave away as dick waggling) info that will lead to you or people who trusted you killed.
There is literally no legal and moral reason for these actions. Anyone remember the foreign agent that was arrested at Mar a Lago? Clearly she was there to gain access to sensitive information Trump was known to be keeping there - my concern is who was that information for? What was shared, and who with?
Trump sold out his country for personal profit.
Agree there's no legal or moral reason for Trump's actions, but it's not actually clear that Zhang Yujing was there for classified documents Trump stored at Mar a Lago. The whole classified document story arose from documents he supposedly brought there from the White House after he lost the 2020 election to Joe Biden, whereas Zhang Yujing was arrested at Mar a Lago in 2019. And she was convicted only of trespassing and lying to federal agents. https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2019/04/20/mar-a-lago-chinese-woman-226671/
Someone honestly tried to argue with me yesterday that the justice system was blind to *Democrats*...as always, they were whining about those bad old BLM protesters from 3 years ago and convinced that none were prosecuted despite *14000* arrests...
Meantime, this fat traitor took hundreds of classified documents and is allowed to be free...it's blind alright, but not to Dems.
Oh it was obviously sold to a few countries. Trump loves money and power. Sadly I doubt he will be prosecuted for such things, damage is already done. The US is a failed state.
He's the still the leading candidate to be the Republican nominee in 2024. It's either him of DeSantis and it will probably come down to who the biggest piece of shit is because that's what Republicans voters are looking for.
I think there is a huge culture of fear surrounding this idea, when honestly I believe the voter turnout for this election will rival the last one. Who cares if either of those dudes are running, the American people can still prevent them from being elected. Go vote!
I hope you are right, but we have a lot of people in this country who don't understand much about how government works. I know multiple people who I'd describe as Left-leaning moderates who have fallen for stuff like "inflation is Biden's fault." They don't understand that the President can't do much to influence it, it's a worldwide issue, and that we are doing fairly well compared to most countries.
If it is Biden vs Trump I think you are probably right in that people will come out to vote to stop him from becoming President again, but if it is DeSantis I worry that people won't see him as much of a problem which he absolutely is. I'm not even saying people who voted for Biden in 2020 will vote for DeSantis, just that turnout might not be as high. People cannot become complacent.
Don't forget that last voter turnout came with COVID restrictions so there were more options for mail-in votes which skew to one side for a lot of places. Turnout like that is unlikely because most places took those options away so please, everyone... remember to vote, remember to remind others. Lives are counting on it.
The Republicans in my state keep trying to do away with our "no reason needed" mail-in voting, which is pretty funny because they voted for it three years ago.
I think it might be even lower this coming election, as “alienation” is considered one of the top reasons people don’t show up to vote, along with voter fatigue, and difficulty registering. I think all these prosecutions, and no one able to “take Biden down”, and losses in the house and no recommended charges from their bunk house investigations will lead to alienation, considered to be a feeling that the political system doesn’t work for them and nothing they do matters. I think that frustration and fatigue from the same old culture wars with no payoffs like they used to get (liberal tears, to quote them) will be at peak levels if we continue down this path and nothing major changes.
That’s my estimation - they read all this seemingly bullet proof accusations from conspiracy type talking heads and outlets, now joined by the richest man in the world and twitter, and they absolutely feel like all the claims they read about the evil libs and Hillary and Biden and Hunter are all correct, but nothing ever happens, so they resort to another line of reasoning/teaching/rhetoric that’s pervasive in those same outlets, accelerationism, the same theory of using violence to speed up the white supremacy takeover and defeating of the libs and evil that Timothy Mcveigh and other domestic terrorist subscribed to before their acts of violence. Mcveigh had a popular book about it in his car when he was caught, and those teaching are the same that was taught by Tucker on Fox News forever, were chanted in Charlottesville by the khaki wearing Nazis, has been taken up by the proud boys, oath keepers, and now has been accepted by the people in control of the Republican Party.
If it’s a contest for who the biggest piece of shit is, it’s DJT in a landslide. DeSantis is pure shit and has zero respect for the Constitution, but DJT is the biggest loaf of shit on the planet.
There's a guy 5 houses down from me with a "Trump 2024 Fuck Your Feelings" flag waving from his front porch.
I just want to ask him why, but you can't have a serious conversation with anyone who is still MAGA.
This is what you get when a major political party cultivates a voter base that is unintelligent, uneducated, gullible, easily distracted, cultish, misinformed, and hateful.
**If you vote Republican, this is you.**
The Kool-aid is drunk from a lead lined cup for these folks. DeSantis is definitely stupid. Just less stupid, and without the same level of cultish shitheadedness.
I would love to know what he wanted to do with the documents. He tried way too hard in too many ways to hide/keep/regain access to these documents for some reason.
My guess is that it thought of them as his get out of jail free card. He figured so long as he had them he could never be prosecuted for any of his crimes.
> Prosecutors in addition have gathered evidence indicating that Trump at times kept classified documents in his office in a place where they were visible and **sometimes showed them to others**
Level of idiocy of this man is astounding. Wtf.
Probably getting his military family to duck the charges while MTG comissions a lifesize statue entitled "Yet another patriot casuality to the adrenochrome pumping socialists" as he waits for a collect call interview with TCarlson to splash big on Twitter spaces
Speaking of fascism, I was having a few back and forths about the Indian guy who drove into the Whitehouse fence, with not just a swatztika but the literal flag Germany used. Them calling this a false flag, fake news, false flag to start a race war. Somehow in their mind there's a certain race that is sympathic to Nazis and what? People are gonna be against them? Nazis already have like a pretty bad rep. I didn't ask what political party they align themselves with, but I think their answer pointed me in the right direction.
Yeah usually they are chasing this idealized ego. People love trump because he’s exactly who they wish they could be. They want to be powerful, shameless, abusive to whoever they want, and get away with it. And so far he has so the people still follow.
Watching trump be trump is like porn to them.
Because I don't think it is a terribly far-fetched thing to say the following at this point:
Some organization wanted that kinda information from Trump. Maybe even one who would, say, invade a country like Ukraine. Before they do that invading thing though, they want you to abuse your position to marginalize Ukraine as best you can. They also demand that you take their side when they inevitably invade a peaceful country. Sadly for them, he was not in office to do so. Didn't stop him from doing as best he could.
They demand these things because they have videos of Trump commiting sexual assault on minors and they're not afraid to leak them to the international media.
Not sure if it was mentioned in the article, but he also personally directed staff drills to hide classified docs in the event a subpoena was issued.
Dudes goin to fuckin PRISON 🤣
For anyone not caught up, because who can be these days, it appears evidence has been delivered that shows Trump knew he couldn’t declassify documents with just his mind, that prove he specifically acknowledged and knew protocols had to be followed.
It also always kind of annoys me that people are even focusing on the declassification at all. Fact is that he stole those documents - properly declassifying them beforehand wouldn't have changed anything about that simple fact. Those documents were never his to just keep, completely regardless of their status.
If Mr Colonel Sanders himself allowed you to look at his secret recipe, it would still absolutely be stealing if you then grabbed that recipe and took it home with you.
No he’s not. The country we live in doesn’t punish the rich and powerful. Trump will not see any punishment, it’s extremely disheartening to watch happen in real time.
I'm hoping for the following scenario
Trump goes to jail.
DeSantis gets the nomination.
George Soros, tired of all the false accusations conservatives make against him, secretly funds campaign ads in swing states which advocate writing in Trump for president, so he can win and get himself out of jail.
Biden wins in a giant landslide, which also takes over the House and the Senate.
Of course you do know that if you put '2020' by your signature and then write in Trump's name to *every* position running, even the local ones, those votes tally up to his 2020 Presidential bid as well, making him retroactively the President. It's true, Pass it on. :P
I’m worried about desantis getting the nomination. He’ll make a deal to pardon trump in return for his endorsement. Then the maga crowd will get behind desantis to free trump, which could give desantis a real shot at the presidency.
Soros proclaims "my work on this planet is done," bows his head, crosses his arms, and is beamed up to his Jewish Space Laser Mothership. A persecuted conservative sees this through the window of his jail cell and screams "i knew it!!!" *fade to black, TO BE CONTINUED...*
>Steven Cheung, a Trump spokesman, wrote in a statement. “Just like all the other fake hoaxes thrown at President Trump, this corrupt effort will also fail.”
It seems to me a fake hoax would be someone presenting the real thing.
The whole boiling frog effect we are trying to use to prove trump is a criminal is really not working.
If we expose one crime a year, they’re gonna just get chalked up to his same old ‘fake news’ claims
Two of Donald Trump’s employees moved boxes of papers the day before FBI agents and a prosecutor visited the former president’s Florida home to retrieve classified documents in response to a subpoena — timing that investigators have come to view as suspicious and an indication of possible obstruction, according to people familiar with the matter.Trump and his aides also allegedly carried out a “dress rehearsal” for moving sensitive papers even before his office received the May 2022 subpoena, according to the people familiar with the matter, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to describe a sensitive ongoing investigation.Prosecutors in addition have gathered evidence indicating that Trump at times kept classified documents in his office in a place where they were visible and sometimes showed them to others, these people said.AdvertisementTaken together, the new details of the classified-documents investigation suggest a greater breadth and specificity to the instances of possible obstruction found by the FBI and Justice Department than has been previously reported. It also broadens the timeline of possible obstruction episodes that investigators are examining — a period stretching from events at Mar-a-Lago before the subpoena to the period after the FBI raid there on Aug. 8.Presidents and vice presidents routinely deal with classified documents, but strict guidelines from a variety of statutes have clear guidelines on the subject. (Video: Adriana Usero/The Washington Post)That timeline may prove crucial as prosecutors seek to determine Trump’s intent in keeping hundreds of classified documents after he left the White House, a key factor in deciding whether to file charges, possibly for obstruction, mishandling national security secrets or both. The Washington Post has previously reported that the boxes were moved out of the storage area after Trump’s office received a subpoena. But the precise timing of that activity is a significant element in the investigation, the people familiar with the matter said.Grand jury activity in the case has slowed in recent weeks, and Trump’s attorneys have taken steps — including outlining his potential defense to members of Congress and seeking a meeting with the attorney general — that suggest they believe a charging decision is getting closer. The grand jury working on the investigation apparently has not met since May 5, after months of frenetic activity at the federal courthouse in Washington. That is the panel’s longest hiatus since December, shortly after Attorney General Merrick Garland appointed Jack Smith as special counsel to lead the probe and coinciding with the year-end holidays.AdvertisementSkip to end of carouselOngoing investigations involving Donald TrumpDonald Trump is facing historic legal scrutiny for a former president, under investigation by the Justice Department, district attorneys in Manhattan and Fulton County, Ga., and a state attorney general. He denies wrongdoing. Here is a list of the key investigations and where they stand.Justice Department criminal probe of Jan. 6The Justice Department is investigating the Jan. 6 riot and whether Trump or his aides may have conspired to obstruct the formal certification in Congress of the election result or committed fraud to block the peaceful transfer of power. Attorney General Merrick Garland appointed veteran prosecutor Jack Smith to oversee both this and the Mar-a-Lago investigation.Mar-a-Lago documents investigationFBI agents found more than 100 classified documents during a search of Trump’s residence at his Mar-a-Lago Club in Palm Beach, Fla., on Aug. 8 as part of a criminal probe into possible mishandling of classified information. A grand jury is hearing witness testimony as prosecutors weigh their next steps.Georgia election results investigationFulton County District Attorney Fani T. Willis (D) is investigating whether Trump and his allies illegally meddled in the 2020 election in Georgia. A Georgia judge on Feb. 15 released parts of a report produced by a special-purpose grand jury, and authorities who are privy to the report will decide whether to ask a new grand jury to vote on criminal charges.Manhattan district attorney’s investigationDistrict Attorney Alvin Bragg (D) convened a grand jury to evaluate business-related matters involving Trump, including his alleged role in hush-money payments to the adult-film actress Stormy Daniels during the 2016 presidential campaign. On March 30, the grand jury voted to indict Trump, making him the first ex-president to be charged with a crime. Here’s what happens next.Lawsuit over Trump business practices in New YorkAttorney General Letitia James (D) filed a lawsuit Sept. 21 against Trump, three of his children and the Trump Organization, accusing them of flagrantly manipulating the valuations of their properties to get better terms on loans and insurance policies, and to get tax breaks. The litigation is pending.
I had chatGPT summarize it:
According to anonymous sources familiar with the matter, two employees of Donald Trump allegedly moved boxes of papers from his Florida home the day before FBI agents and a prosecutor arrived to retrieve classified documents in response to a subpoena. Investigators consider this timing suspicious and potentially indicative of obstruction. The sources also claim that Trump and his aides conducted a "dress rehearsal" for moving sensitive papers even before receiving the subpoena. Prosecutors have gathered evidence suggesting that Trump kept classified documents in his office and showed them to others. These new details reveal a broader and more specific picture of possible obstruction than previously reported. The timeline of possible obstruction episodes extends from events before the subpoena to after the FBI raid at Mar-a-Lago. The intent behind Trump's retention of classified documents after leaving the White House is a crucial factor in determining whether charges, such as obstruction or mishandling national security secrets, should be filed. Grand jury activity in the case has recently slowed, and Trump's attorneys have been taking steps that indicate they believe a charging decision may be approaching.
I had chat gpt summarize the summary:
Two employees allegedly moved boxes of papers from Donald Trump's Florida home before the FBI and a prosecutor arrived with a subpoena for classified documents, raising suspicions of obstruction. Prosecutors have evidence of Trump keeping classified documents and showing them to others. The timeline extends from before the subpoena to after the FBI raid at Mar-a-Lago. Grand jury activity has slowed, indicating a possible charging decision approaching.
I had chat gpt summarize the summary of the summary.
Classified documents were allegedly moved from Trump's Florida home before an FBI raid. Evidence suggests Trump showed these to others. The slowing of grand jury activity indicates possible upcoming charges.
Yeah. They'll go after the maids and janitors. But we'll have to have irrefutable evidence that trump knew that what he was doing was completely illegal, under every circumstance, and was informed of that by a judge, lawyer, doctor, and Jack the guy from the mail room.
I mean, voted in a criminal. Like, really, in hind sight, came out of it pretty good.
Can't hold him accountable, he did what everyone expected him to do and, technically, asked him to do. His election campaign brought more than enough of it to light. People wanted it, like 70 million people thought it would be pretty cool to have their president chat to world leaders about grabbing women by the pussy.
Maybe deal with that problem.
If the shoe was on the other foot, they'd be calling for whoever's head on a pike. This is at the bare minimum obstruction of justice, if not treason. Time for bracelets.
It will never happen. Feel free to screenshot this and roast me later (I’ll be happier I was wrong than you).
But, again, it will never fucking happen.
In an interesting twist, the special prosecutor Jack Smith is now looking at Trump's financial dealings during that time, especially with foreign entities.
They might have a hint that Trump \*did\* sell the SCI information, and they are looking for the evidence.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2023/05/22/trump-special-counsel-foreign-deals/
Any other citizen would have been arrested by now. There is solid proof Trump moved classified documents in order hide them from authorities. And there is solid proof he knew they were all still classified.
If you or I took home classified documents and then were caught hiding them when our homes were searched, we'd be in jail awaiting trail.
This criminal needs to be locked up.
they probably knew he would do something shady. this way, it looks like they were being courteous and lenient (which they were, since any of us would be in prison already) so when he inevitably fucked up, they could say, "hey, we gave him every chance to come clean and return the docs without a problem. no legal hassles. just had to give them back."
oops.
Trump had 15 boxes full of classified documents, many at SCI level which means you can only view them in a secure room. Anyone else with an SCI document at their home would be toast by now. When the DOJ tried to find the boxes, he first said they were \*his\* documents. Then he said he turned them all over. When the DOJ found more boxes in the raid on Mar-a-Lago, Trump appears to have moved the remaining boxes in an effort to hide them. Any questions? These are the actions of a criminal, a fraud, an agent working for another country. We have to assume that the SCI information has already been sold.
Remember when a dozen GOP politicians stormed into a SCIF with their cell phones and started recording? Literally nothing happened to them. I would be fired and have my security clearance revoked if I were caught with a goddamn iPod in a SCIF, potentially sued if something got leaked. But I guess it’s different if you’re a conservative. The DOJ likes you enough to wave it away as “boys will be boys!”
Matt "I pay money to fuck children" Gaetz was the ringleader for that stupid stunt.
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Matt "I'm on this committee and could be in here anyway" Gaetz.
The very same people who freaked out about Hillary's emails. They also didn't care when Trump and his people were doing pretty much the exact same stuff.
you mean by pretty much the exact same stuff.. FAR FAR FAR FAR WORSE? 1. trump refused to give up his unsecure phone despite we found rouge cell towers around the WH 2. trump was seen openly talking policy on the phone at a crowded mars largo dinner. and they had caught a chinese spy at mars largo some time earlier. 3. trump stored documents in a public place, hilaries were on her password protected email server and not a public place.. and yeah anthoney weiner kept some emails she had mailed his wife.. not sure what his laptop had them on but i guess his wife checked her mail there. 4. trump gave the russians intel on a planned attack to the russians which came from the israels who asked us not to even share it with allies for fear the russians might get it, and warn assad, and they might find the embedded israeli agent. 5. trump tweeted classified sat photo without allowing our agencies to degrade it first. 6. trump liked to brag he had classified docs. 7. he tore up and threw in toilet documents that needed to be saved. tons of stuff are being saved in the archives that were dried and retapped by aids. luckily trump normally did two tears, twice in half. 8. a good bit of trumps team couldnt pass security clearances after several tries and trump just ordered them cleared. Im sure i missed a lot but the shit pile called trump is never ending. (oh yeah and hilary never claimed the classified crap was hers to keep and cooperated fully in the investigation.. yeah her machine was destoyed, you should read the DHS rules on deservicing machines used for government work. SHe did as she was supposed to, well actually she was supposed to destroy them worse than she did. Bleachbit is only good enough for computers without classified crap.. things that had classified, you destroy the HDs)
Didn't he also tweet a pic of our special forces with faces not blurred essentially ousting them in the region?
he gave up multiple US and allied agents to have them be killed. There was like a unprecedented amount of agents being killed suddenly a few months after he got elected. He is the definition of a traitor.
Those are hard to replace too. It can take a decade or more to get someone in that kind of position.
One of the notable ones was someone who had access to documents on Putins desk. It took a very long time to get that agent in place. And Trump burned them, just to brag to a member of the Russian government in a meeting. At least that incident is the one where many Republicans that I know started moving away from Trump when they realized that this guy was incredibly damaging to the US.
I agree, only a public execution could satisfy my need for justice when it comes to him.
Where are the gallows built for Pence that they displayed at the Capitol on Jan. 6? They may come in handy one of these days for his boss.
They should have only given that shit slinging gibbon the blurred versions and told him that's just how they came.
If I remember correctly it was the one time he visited troops for Christmas. And instead of following opsec and using a photo from the military photographers he just took one with his phone and uploaded straight to twitter.
Like the time he uploaded a picture from a satellite we hadn't shown off yet.
Well…remember his comment that he could kill someone, and his base wouldn’t do a damn thing about it? Well I guess he did kill someone, many someone’s, and we’re seeing his base do nothing about it.
That comment was perhaps the single most true thing he's *ever* said.
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I do believe he did. Caused quite a kerfuffle to get those guys out of the area
>4. trump gave the russians intel on a planned attack to the russians which came from the israels who asked us not to even share it with allies for fear the russians might get it, and warn assad, and they might find the embedded israeli agent. This story is so much bigger than this makes it sound. This incident happened during a secret White House meeting with the top two Russian intelligence officers stationed in the US, the day after Trump fired James Comey as head of the FBI for starting an investigation into Trump's connections with Russia. During that meeting, Trump laughed and joked with them, and acted eager to please, bragging that he had fired Comey, and disparaging him as "crazy" and a "nut job," and assuring the Russians that the new investigation into his Russian connections was now over. It was during this secret meeting, in which Trump fawned over these known Russian Intelligence Officers (the Ambassador and the Foreign Minister), that he tried to impress them further by disclosing highly classified intelligence of an Israeli covert operation, that endangered the secret identity of an undercover Israeli intelligence asset embedded with ISIS. The Israelis were outraged at this dangerous disclosure, and threatened to no longer share intelligence with the US. This meeting was never disclosed to the American press, and was only discovered when the Russian photographer posted photos of the meeting (featuring Trump laughing it up with Russian intelligence officers) on his personal website. If not for that discovery, we would probably never have learned about this meeting. It makes me wonder what other secret meetings with Russians or other hostile foreign operatives Trump met with and offered classified info. Trump yakking it up with Russian intelligence agents in secret meeting that the US public and press was never supposed to know about on the day after firing Comey for investigating his connections to Russia: [#1](https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSvIUimoMWTAlRVWuC5Fm7ixxN5-gD8u7382x8KMT04dg&usqp=CAU&ec=48600112) [#2](https://media.npr.org/assets/img/2017/05/10/gettyimages-681529300_wide-0242147ade9d8cd2832393d9d1a656c86b6b7762-s900-c85.webp) [#3](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C_eXPgqXgAAlT2R?format=jpg&name=900x900) [#4](https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTXkrQHk2OdEHpNTbxoxLp3er5KzxKwU0PWCHYqYXJFqw&usqp=CAU&ec=48600112) Remember, these photos were taken by a Russian photographer, because the American press was never informed of Trump's meeting with Russian spies - even though the White House press corp were in the building at the time. Sources: https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/19/us/politics/trump-russia-comey.html https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/15/us/politics/trump-russia-classified-information-isis.html
If you're ~~famous~~ the president, you can just ~~grab them by the pussy~~ conduct treason. They just let you do it.
I don’t ask. I just take documents.
And not just trump. Kushner was able to push through a billion dollar deal with the saudis. Plus the whole floors that the saudis rented at trump branded hotels but never used. What else went on during trump’s time in the White House? We should seriously be revoking republicans access to security areas and documents. They are all Brody from the tv show homeland.
>What else went on during trump’s time in the White House? Mostly what went on was Trump trading whatever he had access to for cold, hard cash. Its how a mobster thinks. If he has control of something with value, he's not going to let it go with squeezing it for every possible penny. It started the moment he was elected, when he instantly doubled the application fee and annual fees to the members of his country clubs, putting them in the $250K per year range. If you want to really torture yourself, look into the financing for his inauguration. He collected twice as much as Obama did (over $100 million), and yet he spent only about a 1/3 of what Obama spent, and ALL of it was spent at his own DC hotel, for which he charged his own inauguration fund OUTRAGIOUSLY inflated costs for ballrooms, catering, etc. Of course, all the profits from those inflated prices go directly into his pocket. Classic money laundering scheme. And what about any leftover money? What happens to it? Who knows? The inauguration is not a campaign event, so campaign financing rules dont apply. It's just a big party, so the excess money probably just belongs to the guy throwing the party. In addition, the inauguration fund is 100% unregulated in any way. Nobody knows exactly how much is collected, from who it comes, where it comes from (Russia? China? Saudi Arabia? Corporations? Billionaires? Etc.) and if the money came with any conditions. It's an easy way to collect bribes because it is totally, and legally, dark money. Nobody is handing over envelopes of cash, they are just donating to the inauguration fund. They also paid over $25 million to the event planner, who was a friend of Melania. I work lots of events for a living, and no event planner makes anywhere close to that kind of money for anything, not even a presidential inauguration. Obviously most of that money was to be kicked back to Trump under the table, another classic money laundering scheme. The planner had a falling out with Melania soon after, and it is likely that it was over how much she was expected to kick back. You know how people who get involved in schemes like that behave. They are essentially criminals, and once the money is in their criminal hands, they are loathe to return any of it, or share it. Of course, she can never talk about it, or she'll go to prison, while Trump would probably go free, and defame her in every media possible. So Trump's inauguration was likely a swamp of dark money, bribery, kickbacks, price-gouging, and money laundering - all during his first week in office. No wonder he was so pissed off about the election results, and missing out on that opportunity for an easy score.
But it doesn't matter because his supporters don't care
This is the reality and why I'm not sure we can walk back from this ledge. There is no way that I can see to bring those people back. I think the country is irreparably divided.
This is the reason why that country is becoming more and more of a shithole. Republicans will commit terrorism against their own country, do anything and everything illegal and unethical under the sun, and forcibly halt and quiet any voices that speak out against them. And because their underhanded tactics earn them so much influence and authority in the government, they're not held accountable and thus are able to continue doing this sort of shit. You can't win when one side isn't willing or able to keep up with the dirty tactics of the other. The GOP are fascists. They are literal nazis.
> Republicans will commit terrorism against their own country, They've been doing that on an annual basis with the debt ceiling since Obama was President. Dem President & Republican House = the latter violating the 14th Amendment to extract policy concessions which demonstrably make life worse for the vast majority of the population. Which is literally all of their policies.
> >7. he tore up and threw in toilet documents that needed to be saved. tons of stuff are being saved in the archives that were dried and retapped by aids. luckily trump normally did two tears, twice in half. > >8. a good bit of trumps team couldnt pass security clearances after several tries and trump just ordered them cleared. > any more info on these 2?
[Point 1](https://www.cnn.com/2022/08/08/politics/trump-white-house-notes-toilet-photos-cnntv/index.html) [Point 1](https://www.politico.com/story/2018/06/10/trump-papers-filing-system-635164) [Point 2](https://apnews.com/article/1759ac2858ee4aafb041f91cbd6d86e9) [Point 2](https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-usa-trump-kushner-idUKKCN1QH31W)
You forgot doxxing SEALs
No, they care. They LIKE it.
They just don't like when people they hate do it.
It's pretty simple, they're fascist. The whole point is for rules for thee, not for me. They revel in the hypocrisy. They *like* it, it makes them feel powerful. They're treasonous pos. We should be debating on if they deserve the death penalty, not letting them hold office.
"When she did it it's cause she's a bitch. When he does it - it's cause he's sticking it to the man!" -MAGA (Probably)
The same people that went after Clinton for a blowjob are now Trump supporters.
The exact same stuff? I don't like Hillary, but she wasn't doing the same thing.
What they claimed / believed she was doing, he is actually doing. That's how it's the "same". "If you were mad about that (which wasn't even that, but you sure acted like it was) then you have to be about this, because this is *actually* that," is what's being said. Of course, the fact they aren't upset about this, just underscores how disingenuous they always were about feigning outrage over that.
I remember when Trump proudly sat in a deposition in front of Congress for 11 hours answering question after question, never faltering in his sworn testimony about Benghazi. Oh wait that was Hillary.
I do remember that. An attack on our national security protocol to support Trump.
Republicans sure love attacking our national security.
The question we should also ask is this... How did they know doj was coming? Someone snitched to his camp.
What I remember was a group of 8 GOP congressmen in 2018 spending the 4th of July kissing Putin’s ring in Moscow, the “Prostrate Eight:” Sens. Richard C. Shelby (Ala.), Steve Daines (Mont.), John Hoeven (N.D.), John Neely Kennedy (La.), Jerry Moran (Kan.), John Thune (S.D.) and Johnson, plus Rep. Kay Granger (Tex.). They posed for propaganda and an actual US headline was “After Moscow Trip, Ron Johnson Says Election Meddling Overblown.” On the same day 2 more victims in the UK were confirmed poisoned by Novichok.
That's just locker SCIF talk.
Bro you’d be in jail. Laws only apply to normal people who actually pay attention to their indoc briefs. I’d be called extreme but this is treason. The French did a better job at dealing with these situations.
It's like the opposite of extreme to call this treason. That's just standard protocol for this
It's continually amazing how frightened the Dems are of ever attempting to hold Republicans accountable for their crimes.
Merrick Garland's Justice Department will probably be bringing up actual charges on Trump right after the sun consumes the planet in a few billion years. It's like they are waiting to lose power so they can punt this. This crap should have been dealt with already. They aren't going to put Trump in jail. Doubt they will even put him under house arrest. The worst the rich white man will get is a slap on the wrist. Same as it ever was.
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Maybe Dems will learn after the 1,000th time to stop extending olive branches to hand-biters? Yeah, probably not, they love avoiding worthy fights.
They'll learn when they are marching to camps or jail. Keep letting one side break laws with no consequences while saying they want you dead, don't be surprised when they figure out they can skip to the end.
Did the dems skip history classes or something? The GOP has been checking off boxes as they work their way down the checklist of shit the nazis did. We're coming up on the equivalent of the second coup after the failed coup on the checklist. Then it'll be the night of the long knives as the figureheads of the GOP take out the independents, dems, and RINOs that were complicit in their shenanigans. Sinema and Manchin won't be safe at all. They've already tested their brownshirts in Florida too. After that it'll be camps for all the political undesirables like trans, gays, uppity women, etc. They should go as hard as they can at this point, being tolerant of this horseshit just paints a target on their back as the other side lies and cheats and bitches you're politicizing processes anyways. They're already telling their base that they're targeting them politically and trying to jail them so the base is already riled up about something that hasn't happened yet.
It's clear at this point that either the entire Democratic party is monumentally gullible and ignorant of both history and basic common sense, or they are somehow serving a common cause with the Republicans as two sides of the same coin.
They don’t represent anyone but themselves and corporate America. That is their allegiance and republicans share that. If they start opening up the illegal shit one person is doing, it spoils the fun for everyone. Have to keep the gravy train coming while exploiting people as much as they can get away with. The facts are, an alarmingly small percentage of people that end up in politics/lawmakers come from blue collar, middle or lower class backgrounds. We’re not being represented by the right people from the start.
Same as it ever was..same as it ever was. And you may ask yourself, "How do I work this?" And you may ask yourself, "Where is that large automobile?" And you may tell yourself, "This is not my beautiful house" And you may tell yourself, "This is not my beautiful wife" - It's Jean Carrol
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The Dems? You guys have police, FBI, justice departments etc, many, many people whose actual job is dealing with criminals. Why would the onus be on the Dems? They tried twice to impeach this criminal, what more can they do?
a very cynical but also greatly charitable interpretation: the democrats are aware the system is busted to hell and they don't want to make the populace panic by exposing how the powerful can in fact act with impunity
If anyone buys that "I declassified them with my mind" BS, just know that the day after he was swore in, Joe Biden "Reclassified them with his mind."
It is almost like there was a past historical lesson where the courts were soft on the right and very harsh on the left it was I think in Germany in like the 1920s
Politicians known to carry guns in the chamber running through the metal detectors, which go off, then they just keep walking just blew my mind. No idea how everyone else was just like “ok, I don’t feel safe being in a room with these clowns with guns now”.
Anybody else, they would have stripped your home to the studs to find these documents, and if they didn't find them they'd do the same to your momma's house and any other property you're vaguely associated with until they're found.
You don't have an army of hogs willing to commit murder to protect you. Every time they use kiddie gloves with trump it is telling his followers "your terrorism is working"
> When the DOJ found more boxes in the raid on Mar-a-Lago It was not a raid. A raid would have been a sudden, unexpected incursion. None of the events on August 8, 2022 were sudden or unexpected. It was 15 months in the making. May 2021 - NARA noticed that documents were missing, specifically the love letter Kim Jong-un to Trump, and requested the document to be returned. June 2021 - NARA instructed Trump's team to return the document via FedEx. January 2022 - NARA retrieves 15 boxes of documents that should have been returned after Trump stopped occupying the White House. Those 15 boxes included highly sensitive classified documents. February 2022 - NARA sends criminal referral to DOJ. April 2022 - DOJ initiates a criminal investigation and grand jury process. May 2022 - NARA instructs Trumps team to stop fucking around and return the stolen documents. May 2022 - Subpoena #1 (retrieval of documents labelled "Classified") June 2022 - Multiple Trump employees caught on camera moving boxes between Trump residences. This occurred multiple times on multiple days. June 2022 - Subpoena #2 (surveillance footage from Mar-a-Lago) July/August 2022 - Probable cause is established to obtain a search warrant (warrant issued on Aug. 5, 2022) August 8, 2022 - Search warrant executed. December 7, 2022 - More classified documents found at another Trump residence. Trump knew for many, many months that he was under investigation. He had ample time to return what he stole. It was not a raid. It was a search warrant being executed.
Man. He's even stupider than I thought. I'm honestly a little impressed with how someone so stupid has been so successful.
I'm wondering if they found any copies from the original 15 boxes he returned. You can't tell me he didn't make copies before returning those. He is dumb enough to do it and think he was owning the National Archives in doing so. He was dumb enough to hold a "dress rehearsal" to move the ones he didn't return. Also where are the documents that were removed from the "Classified folders" that had been discovered empty?
I wish I had a source, so take it with a mountain of salt, but I'm pretty sure I read there's a laptop involved that had documents an aide scanned into it that the person had offsite.
I'm curious too; I understand the legal system in filled with red tape, and they have to take their time to make charges stick, but I'm curious what his dumbass has left in a trail of breadcrumbs. The way lawyers are dropping him as a client make me think he's not only paying, it's too damning for the exposure to be worth it (see : Christopher Darden w/ a guilty defendant)
He's been successful because he is great at being a huge blowhard conman. He just needs to trick people who are even more stupid than him (which is a huge group). His profile and fortune were dwindling when he got The Apprentice, which saved him. When that show was winding down, he latched on to the "Obama isn't American" bandwagon and rode that into politics. He always plays the victim and blames others for his problems, which appealed to a large group of voters who do not like any self-reflection - all problems are scapegoated. And anytime he's investigated, he declares "WITCHUNT!", with his followers believing he's "being unfairly persecuted". He has successfully used that strategy for years, and so far, he's mostly gotten away with it.
He's not stupid. He's privileged and spoiled and GETTING AWAY WITH IT.
He can be both. He's absolutely stupid, privileged, spoiled, and getting away with it. I agree with all of that. He's just been surrounded by money that his stupidity doesn't matter much. Wealth does that.
Hundreds of people closely related to Donald have attributed abject stupidity to him, but people that have never met him swear to his intelligence. You don't have to listen to people that have known him for decades like his niece or his fixers. All you have to do is listen to him speak once and you can tell Donald has a limited vocabulary and he sounds moronic.
Nah. He's pretty fuckin thick.
But calling it a raid keeps him with his #1 personality trait of: Victim
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[And you didn't even capture all of those events either](https://www.voanews.com/a/timeline-of-the-trump-documents-inquiry-/6734453.html) (But to your point it was a complex timeline over many months)
Thanks for this. I think there's a lot of assumptions that the 15 boxes appeared on August 8th, not that *more* was recovered at that time. This was my initial understanding.
> We have to assume that the SCI information has already been sold. The Saudis didn't give Kushner two billion dollars for nothing.
You know what the most damning thing is? You find a file or two at Biden's house, you think 'he was probably reading that'. You find even one government file at Trump's, and there's [no way he was reading it](https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-looks-at-charts-in-intelligence-briefings-2020-5?r=US&IR=T). Let alone a u-haul full. The guy has sold things all his life; he spent the Presidency selling his stuff to government employees, in violation of the emoluments clause. There are only two reasons Trump does *anything*; revenge, or money. Pick one.
What was he selling to government employees? And great point, the guy wouldn't even read his daily intelligence briefings.
Accommodation, golf cart rental, meals, etc
Remember the beans.
Don't forget he also illegally sold pardons!
Imagine working on some classified program, and wondering if the former potus sold your work out to russia.
Imagine being an Intelligence operative, working in the field and wondering if the former Potus sold you out to Russia!
Normally I'd be worried, but hey, if the CIA and all them don't seem to give a shit, why should I? They even said assets got burned because of the leaks
That's the part that bothers me. Intelligence assets are fucking *valuable*. If they get whacked, CIA is going to have an even harder time replacing that asset. They can't *not* care. The question is one of what can they do? Why aren't we seeing it? Or is the FBI handling this as a true national security incident, and the information regarding any investigation is *maybe* knowledge of Biden and the DoJ, but they have it so tight lipped we won't find out until an arrest?
Imagine being a Saudi whose loved one was brutally killed because Trumps son in law sold US intel about dissidents to MBS. Imagine being someone in the field wondering if Trump sold (or gave away as dick waggling) info that will lead to you or people who trusted you killed.
How he is walking freely still blows my mind
There is literally no legal and moral reason for these actions. Anyone remember the foreign agent that was arrested at Mar a Lago? Clearly she was there to gain access to sensitive information Trump was known to be keeping there - my concern is who was that information for? What was shared, and who with? Trump sold out his country for personal profit.
Agree there's no legal or moral reason for Trump's actions, but it's not actually clear that Zhang Yujing was there for classified documents Trump stored at Mar a Lago. The whole classified document story arose from documents he supposedly brought there from the White House after he lost the 2020 election to Joe Biden, whereas Zhang Yujing was arrested at Mar a Lago in 2019. And she was convicted only of trespassing and lying to federal agents. https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2019/04/20/mar-a-lago-chinese-woman-226671/
Someone honestly tried to argue with me yesterday that the justice system was blind to *Democrats*...as always, they were whining about those bad old BLM protesters from 3 years ago and convinced that none were prosecuted despite *14000* arrests... Meantime, this fat traitor took hundreds of classified documents and is allowed to be free...it's blind alright, but not to Dems.
They need to switch off Hannity once in a while
> Anyone else with an SCI document at their home would be toast by now. See Chelsea Manning.
Or Reality Winner
Oh it was obviously sold to a few countries. Trump loves money and power. Sadly I doubt he will be prosecuted for such things, damage is already done. The US is a failed state.
>Any questions? Why isn't he in jail?
Trump is a traitor trying to hide his crimes.
It saddens me somebody so obviously corrupt and stupid could be elected.
And continuously supported.
He's the still the leading candidate to be the Republican nominee in 2024. It's either him of DeSantis and it will probably come down to who the biggest piece of shit is because that's what Republicans voters are looking for.
I think there is a huge culture of fear surrounding this idea, when honestly I believe the voter turnout for this election will rival the last one. Who cares if either of those dudes are running, the American people can still prevent them from being elected. Go vote!
I hope you are right, but we have a lot of people in this country who don't understand much about how government works. I know multiple people who I'd describe as Left-leaning moderates who have fallen for stuff like "inflation is Biden's fault." They don't understand that the President can't do much to influence it, it's a worldwide issue, and that we are doing fairly well compared to most countries. If it is Biden vs Trump I think you are probably right in that people will come out to vote to stop him from becoming President again, but if it is DeSantis I worry that people won't see him as much of a problem which he absolutely is. I'm not even saying people who voted for Biden in 2020 will vote for DeSantis, just that turnout might not be as high. People cannot become complacent.
trump almost won twice. i have no faith in american voters.
Yes, trump lost by only 30k votes in 2020. He needs justice for his crimes, not another chance to cement his authoritarian regime.
Don't forget that last voter turnout came with COVID restrictions so there were more options for mail-in votes which skew to one side for a lot of places. Turnout like that is unlikely because most places took those options away so please, everyone... remember to vote, remember to remind others. Lives are counting on it.
The Republicans in my state keep trying to do away with our "no reason needed" mail-in voting, which is pretty funny because they voted for it three years ago.
I think it might be even lower this coming election, as “alienation” is considered one of the top reasons people don’t show up to vote, along with voter fatigue, and difficulty registering. I think all these prosecutions, and no one able to “take Biden down”, and losses in the house and no recommended charges from their bunk house investigations will lead to alienation, considered to be a feeling that the political system doesn’t work for them and nothing they do matters. I think that frustration and fatigue from the same old culture wars with no payoffs like they used to get (liberal tears, to quote them) will be at peak levels if we continue down this path and nothing major changes.
Is that why these cunts keep shooting people?
That’s my estimation - they read all this seemingly bullet proof accusations from conspiracy type talking heads and outlets, now joined by the richest man in the world and twitter, and they absolutely feel like all the claims they read about the evil libs and Hillary and Biden and Hunter are all correct, but nothing ever happens, so they resort to another line of reasoning/teaching/rhetoric that’s pervasive in those same outlets, accelerationism, the same theory of using violence to speed up the white supremacy takeover and defeating of the libs and evil that Timothy Mcveigh and other domestic terrorist subscribed to before their acts of violence. Mcveigh had a popular book about it in his car when he was caught, and those teaching are the same that was taught by Tucker on Fox News forever, were chanted in Charlottesville by the khaki wearing Nazis, has been taken up by the proud boys, oath keepers, and now has been accepted by the people in control of the Republican Party.
Committing treason to own the libs.
If it’s a contest for who the biggest piece of shit is, it’s DJT in a landslide. DeSantis is pure shit and has zero respect for the Constitution, but DJT is the biggest loaf of shit on the planet.
There's a guy 5 houses down from me with a "Trump 2024 Fuck Your Feelings" flag waving from his front porch. I just want to ask him why, but you can't have a serious conversation with anyone who is still MAGA.
I've asked why to dozens of people like that. I never got anywhere close to a logical or coherent answer.
“…enemies foreign *and domestic*.” The call is coming from inside the house.
>And continuously supported. He supports terrorism from white nationalists. Of course the Republicans will continue to love and support him.
This is what you get when a major political party cultivates a voter base that is unintelligent, uneducated, gullible, easily distracted, cultish, misinformed, and hateful. **If you vote Republican, this is you.**
Netanyahu? Sorry, couldn't resist.
Corrupt? Yes Stupid? That would be debatable.
Netanyahu isn't really stupid like Trump is. Neither is DeSantis. That's what makes them more dangerous.
Eh, picking a legal fight with Disney wasn't exactly a smart move.
The Kool-aid is drunk from a lead lined cup for these folks. DeSantis is definitely stupid. Just less stupid, and without the same level of cultish shitheadedness.
I would love to know what he wanted to do with the documents. He tried way too hard in too many ways to hide/keep/regain access to these documents for some reason.
Sell them
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Who's to say he didn't?
My guess is that it thought of them as his get out of jail free card. He figured so long as he had them he could never be prosecuted for any of his crimes.
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> Prosecutors in addition have gathered evidence indicating that Trump at times kept classified documents in his office in a place where they were visible and **sometimes showed them to others** Level of idiocy of this man is astounding. Wtf.
And yet he is not in prison, and is even free to leave the country. Go figure.
The power of wealth.
The power of corruption.
Having other’s wealth attached to you*
Justice system working as designed.
Hey what's the status of Jack Teixeira at this moment?
Probably getting his military family to duck the charges while MTG comissions a lifesize statue entitled "Yet another patriot casuality to the adrenochrome pumping socialists" as he waits for a collect call interview with TCarlson to splash big on Twitter spaces
> free to leave the country Please do. And don't come back.
Idiocy implies he did this unintentionally or didn’t realize the consequences. It lets him off the hook. He did this intentionally
The word you’re looking for is Mendacity.
I'll never understand why anyone would risk getting charged with serious felonies for Trump, who wouldn't piss on you if you were on fire.
People who get involved with fascism generally aren’t particularly bright.
Speaking of fascism, I was having a few back and forths about the Indian guy who drove into the Whitehouse fence, with not just a swatztika but the literal flag Germany used. Them calling this a false flag, fake news, false flag to start a race war. Somehow in their mind there's a certain race that is sympathic to Nazis and what? People are gonna be against them? Nazis already have like a pretty bad rep. I didn't ask what political party they align themselves with, but I think their answer pointed me in the right direction.
Yeah usually they are chasing this idealized ego. People love trump because he’s exactly who they wish they could be. They want to be powerful, shameless, abusive to whoever they want, and get away with it. And so far he has so the people still follow. Watching trump be trump is like porn to them.
Because I don't think it is a terribly far-fetched thing to say the following at this point: Some organization wanted that kinda information from Trump. Maybe even one who would, say, invade a country like Ukraine. Before they do that invading thing though, they want you to abuse your position to marginalize Ukraine as best you can. They also demand that you take their side when they inevitably invade a peaceful country. Sadly for them, he was not in office to do so. Didn't stop him from doing as best he could. They demand these things because they have videos of Trump commiting sexual assault on minors and they're not afraid to leak them to the international media.
Not sure if it was mentioned in the article, but he also personally directed staff drills to hide classified docs in the event a subpoena was issued. Dudes goin to fuckin PRISON 🤣
Why would he have to hide documents that he could declassify just by thinking about it? Unless....he knows he's full of shit. Shocking.
For anyone not caught up, because who can be these days, it appears evidence has been delivered that shows Trump knew he couldn’t declassify documents with just his mind, that prove he specifically acknowledged and knew protocols had to be followed.
It also always kind of annoys me that people are even focusing on the declassification at all. Fact is that he stole those documents - properly declassifying them beforehand wouldn't have changed anything about that simple fact. Those documents were never his to just keep, completely regardless of their status. If Mr Colonel Sanders himself allowed you to look at his secret recipe, it would still absolutely be stealing if you then grabbed that recipe and took it home with you.
Or he's making up things on the spot, a Republican trait he perfected.
I will believe it when I see it...I have been waiting for it for way too long to have hope. No matter how outrageous things have gotten.
No he’s not. The country we live in doesn’t punish the rich and powerful. Trump will not see any punishment, it’s extremely disheartening to watch happen in real time.
That would require a DOJ interested in prosecuting him. They’re not.
and staying alive for all of the appeal 'process'
He stole them. He knew it was wrong. He showed them to others. Prosecute this fucking traitor.
I'm still looking forward to Trump destroying DeSantis's presidential run before he spends his last days in jail.
My preference is if Trump runs 3rd party thus obliterating the Republican Party in down ticket races.
I'm hoping for the following scenario Trump goes to jail. DeSantis gets the nomination. George Soros, tired of all the false accusations conservatives make against him, secretly funds campaign ads in swing states which advocate writing in Trump for president, so he can win and get himself out of jail. Biden wins in a giant landslide, which also takes over the House and the Senate.
Of course you do know that if you put '2020' by your signature and then write in Trump's name to *every* position running, even the local ones, those votes tally up to his 2020 Presidential bid as well, making him retroactively the President. It's true, Pass it on. :P
I’m worried about desantis getting the nomination. He’ll make a deal to pardon trump in return for his endorsement. Then the maga crowd will get behind desantis to free trump, which could give desantis a real shot at the presidency.
Soros proclaims "my work on this planet is done," bows his head, crosses his arms, and is beamed up to his Jewish Space Laser Mothership. A persecuted conservative sees this through the window of his jail cell and screams "i knew it!!!" *fade to black, TO BE CONTINUED...*
He'll flee the country before he goes to jail. I guarantee it. He'd run to Russia or one of those countries.
Probably UAE or SA, but North Korea would make for a fun time
>Steven Cheung, a Trump spokesman, wrote in a statement. “Just like all the other fake hoaxes thrown at President Trump, this corrupt effort will also fail.” It seems to me a fake hoax would be someone presenting the real thing.
bar the man from running from president and lock him up. he is a danger to this nation.
The whole boiling frog effect we are trying to use to prove trump is a criminal is really not working. If we expose one crime a year, they’re gonna just get chalked up to his same old ‘fake news’ claims
ah, so open crime. And this is who people want to lead their country
Two of Donald Trump’s employees moved boxes of papers the day before FBI agents and a prosecutor visited the former president’s Florida home to retrieve classified documents in response to a subpoena — timing that investigators have come to view as suspicious and an indication of possible obstruction, according to people familiar with the matter.Trump and his aides also allegedly carried out a “dress rehearsal” for moving sensitive papers even before his office received the May 2022 subpoena, according to the people familiar with the matter, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to describe a sensitive ongoing investigation.Prosecutors in addition have gathered evidence indicating that Trump at times kept classified documents in his office in a place where they were visible and sometimes showed them to others, these people said.AdvertisementTaken together, the new details of the classified-documents investigation suggest a greater breadth and specificity to the instances of possible obstruction found by the FBI and Justice Department than has been previously reported. It also broadens the timeline of possible obstruction episodes that investigators are examining — a period stretching from events at Mar-a-Lago before the subpoena to the period after the FBI raid there on Aug. 8.Presidents and vice presidents routinely deal with classified documents, but strict guidelines from a variety of statutes have clear guidelines on the subject. (Video: Adriana Usero/The Washington Post)That timeline may prove crucial as prosecutors seek to determine Trump’s intent in keeping hundreds of classified documents after he left the White House, a key factor in deciding whether to file charges, possibly for obstruction, mishandling national security secrets or both. The Washington Post has previously reported that the boxes were moved out of the storage area after Trump’s office received a subpoena. But the precise timing of that activity is a significant element in the investigation, the people familiar with the matter said.Grand jury activity in the case has slowed in recent weeks, and Trump’s attorneys have taken steps — including outlining his potential defense to members of Congress and seeking a meeting with the attorney general — that suggest they believe a charging decision is getting closer. The grand jury working on the investigation apparently has not met since May 5, after months of frenetic activity at the federal courthouse in Washington. That is the panel’s longest hiatus since December, shortly after Attorney General Merrick Garland appointed Jack Smith as special counsel to lead the probe and coinciding with the year-end holidays.AdvertisementSkip to end of carouselOngoing investigations involving Donald TrumpDonald Trump is facing historic legal scrutiny for a former president, under investigation by the Justice Department, district attorneys in Manhattan and Fulton County, Ga., and a state attorney general. He denies wrongdoing. Here is a list of the key investigations and where they stand.Justice Department criminal probe of Jan. 6The Justice Department is investigating the Jan. 6 riot and whether Trump or his aides may have conspired to obstruct the formal certification in Congress of the election result or committed fraud to block the peaceful transfer of power. Attorney General Merrick Garland appointed veteran prosecutor Jack Smith to oversee both this and the Mar-a-Lago investigation.Mar-a-Lago documents investigationFBI agents found more than 100 classified documents during a search of Trump’s residence at his Mar-a-Lago Club in Palm Beach, Fla., on Aug. 8 as part of a criminal probe into possible mishandling of classified information. A grand jury is hearing witness testimony as prosecutors weigh their next steps.Georgia election results investigationFulton County District Attorney Fani T. Willis (D) is investigating whether Trump and his allies illegally meddled in the 2020 election in Georgia. A Georgia judge on Feb. 15 released parts of a report produced by a special-purpose grand jury, and authorities who are privy to the report will decide whether to ask a new grand jury to vote on criminal charges.Manhattan district attorney’s investigationDistrict Attorney Alvin Bragg (D) convened a grand jury to evaluate business-related matters involving Trump, including his alleged role in hush-money payments to the adult-film actress Stormy Daniels during the 2016 presidential campaign. On March 30, the grand jury voted to indict Trump, making him the first ex-president to be charged with a crime. Here’s what happens next.Lawsuit over Trump business practices in New YorkAttorney General Letitia James (D) filed a lawsuit Sept. 21 against Trump, three of his children and the Trump Organization, accusing them of flagrantly manipulating the valuations of their properties to get better terms on loans and insurance policies, and to get tax breaks. The litigation is pending.
Paragraphs, my man.
I had chatGPT summarize it: According to anonymous sources familiar with the matter, two employees of Donald Trump allegedly moved boxes of papers from his Florida home the day before FBI agents and a prosecutor arrived to retrieve classified documents in response to a subpoena. Investigators consider this timing suspicious and potentially indicative of obstruction. The sources also claim that Trump and his aides conducted a "dress rehearsal" for moving sensitive papers even before receiving the subpoena. Prosecutors have gathered evidence suggesting that Trump kept classified documents in his office and showed them to others. These new details reveal a broader and more specific picture of possible obstruction than previously reported. The timeline of possible obstruction episodes extends from events before the subpoena to after the FBI raid at Mar-a-Lago. The intent behind Trump's retention of classified documents after leaving the White House is a crucial factor in determining whether charges, such as obstruction or mishandling national security secrets, should be filed. Grand jury activity in the case has recently slowed, and Trump's attorneys have been taking steps that indicate they believe a charging decision may be approaching.
I had chat gpt summarize the summary: Two employees allegedly moved boxes of papers from Donald Trump's Florida home before the FBI and a prosecutor arrived with a subpoena for classified documents, raising suspicions of obstruction. Prosecutors have evidence of Trump keeping classified documents and showing them to others. The timeline extends from before the subpoena to after the FBI raid at Mar-a-Lago. Grand jury activity has slowed, indicating a possible charging decision approaching.
I had chat gpt summarize the summary of the summary. Classified documents were allegedly moved from Trump's Florida home before an FBI raid. Evidence suggests Trump showed these to others. The slowing of grand jury activity indicates possible upcoming charges.
I had an illiterate pygmy goat summarize the summary of the summary of the summary: Baaaaad stuff, baaaad.
I had an elderly parrot summarize the summary of the summary of the summary of the summary: AAaaaaaa!
Deliberate and planned obstruction.
So someone is getting charged as an accessory to a crime?
Yeah. They'll go after the maids and janitors. But we'll have to have irrefutable evidence that trump knew that what he was doing was completely illegal, under every circumstance, and was informed of that by a judge, lawyer, doctor, and Jack the guy from the mail room.
They all had a lisp. The message was unclear. If it was in writing, it was definitely smudged.
I mean, voted in a criminal. Like, really, in hind sight, came out of it pretty good. Can't hold him accountable, he did what everyone expected him to do and, technically, asked him to do. His election campaign brought more than enough of it to light. People wanted it, like 70 million people thought it would be pretty cool to have their president chat to world leaders about grabbing women by the pussy. Maybe deal with that problem.
If the shoe was on the other foot, they'd be calling for whoever's head on a pike. This is at the bare minimum obstruction of justice, if not treason. Time for bracelets.
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Every day that Trump and his co-conspirators walk free is a crime in and of itself.
I wish I was able to break hundreds of laws and not get in trouble
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It will never happen. Feel free to screenshot this and roast me later (I’ll be happier I was wrong than you). But, again, it will never fucking happen.
"So shocking," she said, rolling her eyes.
Sounds like *somebody* had a mole at the DoJ.
In an interesting twist, the special prosecutor Jack Smith is now looking at Trump's financial dealings during that time, especially with foreign entities. They might have a hint that Trump \*did\* sell the SCI information, and they are looking for the evidence. https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2023/05/22/trump-special-counsel-foreign-deals/
Any other citizen would have been arrested by now. There is solid proof Trump moved classified documents in order hide them from authorities. And there is solid proof he knew they were all still classified. If you or I took home classified documents and then were caught hiding them when our homes were searched, we'd be in jail awaiting trail. This criminal needs to be locked up.
Why announce your arrival? Just show up.
they probably knew he would do something shady. this way, it looks like they were being courteous and lenient (which they were, since any of us would be in prison already) so when he inevitably fucked up, they could say, "hey, we gave him every chance to come clean and return the docs without a problem. no legal hassles. just had to give them back." oops.
well color me **SHOCKED** and slap my ass!
> “Just like all the other fake hoaxes thrown at President Trump, this corrupt effort will also fail.” Fake hoaxes? As opposed to actual hoaxes?
A fake hoax would be real.