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Or his nephew in training Jared Kushner, in his actions to ensure that cases in NYC and Philly would remain high, hoping to “cull” some prior to the Election who weren’t falling for their shtick in the first place…
Meanwhile that blew up in their faces. If they had fixed everythjng and responded right away they would’ve had the election on a silver platter. What would’ve been the democrat response to the trump administration saving millions of lives, jobs and businesses. Everyone would’ve had to give him kudos and he would’ve been like Bush was with 9/11 and had a tragedy to coast off of. Pieces of shit remain too greedy.
What's really annoying is Biden did at all that, and he seems to get very little credit for it. Instead people complain about the residual inflation from the pandemic and Trump era economic policies.
I can't help but think if Trump carried out the Biden admin pandemic policies, many people would be falling over themselves to give him credit. Republicans really are graded on a curve.
Diaper don told everyone to drink bleach. If he’d won even more of his supporters would be dead. Everyone seems to forget that under Trumps leaderships people were taking horse de wormer and all he really did was stoke covid conspiracies the entire time.
Meanwhile when he was very sick with Covid he got a fortune of monoclonal antibodies pumped into him, while it wasn’t even available at that time to most anyone else.
This is how it has always been. A republican pres comes in and ruins the economy with shitty policies then a dem one comes in deal with and trying to fix the fallout from the rep pres while getting blamed for the problem caused by the rep. Then a rep comes in tries taking credit for the fixes the dem did and the cycle repeats. Bassiclly every time a rep is in office the country takes a nose dive and their voters are to stupid to understand that.
*Inject* bleach
If someone wrote a book with a US President who did/said even a quarter of what Trump did, it would've came off as too cartoonishly unbelievable
Biden is the best president of my adult life. Obama did a really good respectable job. But biden is pushing so many positive changes through. Big positives for the next gen. 4 more years would be huge.
However millions are buying the lies and propaganda being spread loudly on social platforms and right wing media! They refuse to accept the facts or the truth that they are backing a grifter who continually whines about ‘corrupt judges, corrupt prosecutors, conspiracy against him, etc’. He repeats his BS every time he’s in front of a camera. His followers are soaking it up! He continues to claim that‘corrupt Joe Biden is controlling all of this’. In order for his election claims to be true and this conspiracy to keep him from winning the election, it would take tens of thousands of officials and people to be involved in order to make this happen! He’s still pushing the same election conspiracy that he claims was a deep state conspiracy to control every aspect of the election process and stole the election? Hundreds of thousands of people would have to been a part of it!
Still, we have corrupt Right Wing politicians and community activists who are still pushing the same lie! Why are millions of Americans so very ignorant? People like Moscow Marge and Ted Cruze don’t even try to hide just how ridiculous their actions and claims are.
There is a serious cancer that has eaten the very soul out of America. It’s so contagious that I’m afraid we may not be able to stop it before America dies as a Democracy the most dangerous and corrupt politicians ever known to rise into powerful positions will control our lives. I’m getting old now and won’t have to deal with it for long. However I’m absolutely scared to death for my children and grandchildren! What have Trump and the Extreme Right politicians done to our country?
People ignore that the Trump tax breaks were designed to expire to harm democrats and instead are complaining about taxes increasing.
Yeah, republicans were gonna kick the can down the road 4 more years if Trump won, but instead they’ll hurt everyone to hurt democrats.
People have no idea just how much National Debt Trump left us with or the residual inflation from Trump era economics. It’s simply easier to blame all of our financial problems on the current President. If Trump wins this election, we will have the worst economy ever created being run by an authoritarian dictatorship that will have control over every aspect of our government. His plans to deport tens of thousands of people who may be undocumented or Muslim, or otherwise undesirable to him, utilizing the National Guard will decide a work force that has been the backbone of our agricultural system, construction labor, and many other jobs that blue collar Americans don’t want! The cost of finishing his Border Wall will come out of the pocket of working class Americans via tax hikes. This idiot is the reason we do have a secure border and a controlled immigration system. Congress had a bipartisan solution that included everything that the Right Wing of Congress had been asking for. He squashed it because he didn’t want Biden to get credit for securing our border and control the immigration. He’d surely lose the election!
Now every crooked Republican politician is cashing in on the lie that our immigration system is a disaster because of Biden? They claim that the flood of criminals and fentanyl is happening “because of Biden’s failed immigration policy?” I’m so sickened by the GOP lies, misinformation, propaganda, and manipulation. As an American citizen and lifelong Republican, I’m downright outraged, appalled, embarrassed about the destruction of the GOP along with our democracy!’
He will shut down the pandemic preparedness office and put himself in charge of the Surgeon General’s office. (Just one of the agencies he plans to put under his control as President)
How is it possible that so many Patriotic Americans have been duped into believing that this country will survive under this psychotic, narcissistic, lying, corrupt, grifter?
Between the Gaza crisis and the current financial struggles so many are having, it’s hard to imagine how many millions of voters are willing to give up on our democracy, our future, or America itself because they feel that Biden’s policies on Israel and the current immigration crisis are not working.
The fact is that Trump screwed us by stopping the most comprehensive immigration reform and border security reform ever put before Congress!
The ugliness’s of the war on Gaza is astounding! However, all of these protests and debates will and have had a significant detrimental impact on the election outcome in November.
Disbanding the pandemic preparedness program is the least of our concerns!
Allowing the GOP and Trump’s propaganda machine to continue exploiting the lies and misinformation on ‘X’ and’Truth Social’ as well as other internet outlets will be the downfall of our democracy, and the America we’ve loved for 240 years!
It also hurt them because after it grew in the cities it spread out to the mid west. There it killed many, mostly because they refused to protect themselves.
Just to point out your comment with an anecdote. My aunt died 2 years ago from covid. My entire family (about 200 if you include the extended family) sans like 5 of them will not acknowledge she died from covid, b/c she died from pneumonia...caused by covid.
Everyone of them voted for Trump. Everyone of them wanted stores open. Everyone of them refused to wear masks. I'm honestly surprised she was the only one that suffered from the lack of common sense.
I'm so sorry for your loss. I also lost my aunt to covid, but I come from a long line of leftist rednecks (who know the true meaning of the word). She masked and isolated and did everything she was supposed to do, but no one else in her community took it seriously and she got sick anyway. She died right before the vaccine became widely available.
I'm sorry for your loss. I live among those people, too. Dad died from complications from COVID (IMO). I can tell you where and when he got it from: in the local Dollar (Cellulose) (He had been quarantined for the previous 2 weeks), a blonde woman was stalking back and forth, complaining "her kids wouldn't let her see her new grandkid. Just because she had a cough and wouldn't mask up. Masks don't work anyways. COVID is just fake news..."
I was recently told that it was the ventilators that were killing people by giving them pneumonia. Hospitals would sedate people and put them on ventilators to make money but then they would get pneumonia from the tubes in their throat. Because they would walk in fine to a hospital and have a tube down their throats a few days later. When I asked why they were in a hospital if they were fine they changed the subject to trans people.
Trump is incapable of doing anything but doubling down and he lives and feeds off yes energy. He tried saying once for people to listen to doctors and get vaccinated, he got booed by his supporters. He hated the response, shut up and never mentioned it again. Finally, when shit hit the fan he could do nothing but double down.
This is actually a really good point, cause virtually every other country in the world besides the us saw a "rally around the flag" effect for the current goverment.
He barely lost in 2020, with millions of americans dead. Its unbelivable.
As an American living in Thailand, I was impressed by the response to COVID over here. The government rolled out vaccines as fast as they could and attempted to get everyone vaccinated. Admittedly some of the vaccine brands were second rate but people got them. The percentage of people wearing masks has only dropped below 50% in the last couple of weeks. Actually the percentage of people wearing masks is still higher than the percentage of motorcycle drivers wearing helmets.
This is when my eye starts twitching because this amount of willful ignorance hurts my brain. It hurt watching it in realtime - it caused stress living through this because of this cognitive dissonance it took not to break down. To think this could be reality again with a more pointed willfully ignore the public scares me and feels un-American to me.
I’ve always felt a lot of pride for my country overall for the majority of my life but to think this man has represented us and may again makes me feel shame.
The searing hate that I felt for the subhuman Trump clan and their low-intellect, smug supporters was poisoning me. It was unreal how much I hated them.
Honestly this is just old person logic. My father in law refuses to go to the Dr because he is afraid the will tell him he has cancer.. bro you smoked since your 14. You’re in your 70s man up and do it.
It’s literally old person logic
He wants to say "I've smoked since I was 14, and I turned out fine." Bruh, just because you never got the news from your doctor about what smoking did to your body for decades doesn't mean it didn't happen, lol
Trump sees everything based on how it impacts him directly. More cases looks bad.
What fascinates me is his inability to clearly articulate his message. He was trying to say something like, “My administration has increased testing. Increased testing means that we’re going to know about more cases. The numbers are going to go up.”
But he doesn’t want to spend the time explaining himself so: “testing more makes the number go up.”
It’s hard to say whether this stems from his lack of understanding or just intellectual laziness and a desire to follow the path of least effort.
The logical solution is to root the problem out, but that’s not how Trump has ever operated. Look at how he’s handled the court cases: Hide the sex for money. Hide the documents. “Wouldn’t it be better if we didn’t have the documents?”
His entire life has been spent covering things up, so it’s hard to know whether his desire to throw a rug over the Covid on the floor is idiocy or habit.
When I was 6 years old, I believed that ostrich buried their heads in the sand to hide (saw it in a cartoon). As an adult, I realize that they don't, of course. Trump is dumber than how dumb I imagined an ostrich to be when I was 6.
My dad refused to go for decades. Also a heavy smoker. Now he’s 77 and looks 95 with all sorts of health problems. He doesn’t have a “cancer” diagnosis but has had small masses seen on his lungs and kidneys but as he would say “it’s nothing to worry about”. He only kidding himself. He’s on 100% oxygen all the time and the best I’ve seen his pulse ox reach is 85. When I confronted him about it, he simply says “I don’t know how this happened, I’ve always been so healthy and in good shape”. Mind you, he’s smoked for 60 years, (both weed and cigarettes) eats the most unhealthy I’ve ever seen (everything is drowned in butter and salt), hasn’t exercised in at least 35 years when I was a child, and currently weighs a frail (needs a walker or cane full time) 135 lbs (5’11”).
Mine was 83 on lying down and 52 on moving - and I had bilateral pneumonia and respiratory failure and was blue lighted to resus.
Dude is actively dying.
My dad smoked 4 packs a day. He’s in his 90s. He goes to the doctor. When they say they will see him again in 6 months, He says “good news, I have 6 more months?”
No such thing as “old people logic”. Your dad might know he’s sick and wants to deal with it the way he chooses.
Amazes me when heavy smokers live that long. I have a heap of uncles and aunties who smoked and none of them made it to 75. They weren't even heavy smokers mostly. Meanwhile my father in law has smoked since 15 and is turning 85 soon.
"3.6 Roentgen? Not great, not terrible"
"But that's as high as the-"
"**SHUTTHEFUCKUPYOUTWAT**"
*Five Years Later, Looking over Burning Radioactive Landscape*
"Perfect. Beautiful. I told them it was great, and we didn't need *emergencies* or *containment domes*. Would do it all over again."
There's stupid, and then there's not seeing things that are directly in front of your face.
This man had the pandemic handed to him on a silver platter. Go out say something inspiring, let the experts set the policy and sell millions of "Make America Safe Again" masks on his way to re-election, but instead he couldn't let the attention be off him for 5 seconds and in turn drove his cult into denying the science and in turn millions of Americans died.
All of this. He had the easiest layup. Cut another “Trump check” or whatever he wants to call it like a month before the election and he would have coasted to victory.
My Trump supporting father made a big stink about how Biden is bribing people to vote for him by forgiving student loans. I, brought up the checks with Trump's name on them.
He didn't want to discuss the issue anymore.
fastest way to shut shit down is demand to do it on a "White board / chalk board." e.g. write down your argument. I write down a response, etc. Each time you make a claim we can't advance until you provide a citation that both people agree with is true. half the time they can't even find 1 source for their argument because all they do is read headlines (that are barely clinging to the truth if at all) and not the articles.
The second challenge is to keep it on track. E.g. on the subject that was written down on top.
This. Politicians love to have natural disaster or other events that often bring people together. With a good reaction they can buoy political approval. The pandemic also limited in person campaigning, which should have been a big benefit to incumbents in general as long as they were perceived as managing the situation well.
Special combination of both stupid, and absolutely uninterested, in literally anything that's not himself. He had the opportunity to become not stupid, but he clung to his ignorance for decades until we got to the point where the NSA had to randomly inject his name in the Presidential Daily Briefing every several seconds otherwise he just spaced out and wandered away.
Dammit. He broke my brain when he said to stop the count, all because the numbers kept going up and it made him look bad. I had to sit down for two full days just to come up with the following response. “ Naw Trumplestilksin, your evil incompetence, willful ignorance, and hateful narcissistic behavior destroyed millions of lives!”
I hold Trump, personally responsible for the millions of COVID deaths.
I rather server an eternity in hell than forgive Trump for his hateful nature.
Its both; its an act of willfully self destruction watered down with denial just like it was throughout his presidency, with his utter incapability to do things that would actually benefit his public image in regards to handling a pandemic under the reasoning that he didn’t want to acknowledge it was happening.
Yeah, I don't get the defense of his intelligence. He regularly makes poor decisions intentionally because it pleases his ego. He seriously argued positive cases would be down if we didn't test for it. That only makes sense in a "if I can't see it, it doesn't exist" sort of logic.
He’s only saying it because that’s what his supporters want. To them, pandemic preparedness equals Fauci, masks, and mandatory vaccines.
He’s pandering to his fucking idiot followers.
Eh, I think you are overthinking it.
He is saying he would disband this office again, because to say otherwise would be tantamount to admitting he was wrong in closing it the first time. He is incapable of admitting he was wrong or made a mistake, so he will repeat the same mistakes again, and again.
I mean, how many casinos has he bankrupted over the years? He can not learn, because he is such a raging narcissist he believes everything he does is perfect and cannot be improved. So he does the same, stupid shit again and again and thinks he is a genius.
This is the real answer. He only thinks as far ahead as what's going to get him the most attention, get his cult the most excited and convince them to give him money.
This is his ego’s stupid, mindless attempt to erase the embarrassment of how he handled COVID. Since he can’t intimidate or buy off a virus into saying how great he is, the next best thing is just pretending the Pandemic never happened, or just wasn’t a big deal. Shutting down the Pandemic Preparedness Office is a manifestation of that desire.
A bit of armchair psychology, sure, but my policy is to assume everything Trump does in service of his ego, which is swollen, delicate, and wholly irrational. He’s like America’s Id made manifest and it’s it’s consistently infuriating.
It was just a little 9/11 every day.
I mean, was 9/11 really that big of a deal?
And wasn't the battle of Gettysburg great?
And don't magnets stop working when they get wet?
What day is it? Where am I?
Imagine getting rid of the pandemic preparedness office a year before we get hit with TB, Ebola or any of a hundred known diseases still present outside the USA.
People denying science is big money for the medical insurance industry. A preventative check-up or vaccine will only bill x, when they're on death's door people will give you their life savings. The overstressed doctors and nurses aren't the ones getting paid. Anti-preventative medicine is $$$. Also Jesus is coming back and I wanted a youtube video so who is some doctor with 10+ years post graduate education to tell me what to do?
i believe you are thinking of a Goldman Sachs report from six years ago: https://www.reddit.com/r/medicine/comments/8bymx2/is_curing_patients_a_sustainable_business_model/
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April 8, 2020 [Trump said the Obama admin left him a bare government stockpile. Wrong.](https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2020/apr/08/donald-trump/trump-said-obama-admin-left-him-bare-stockpile-wro/)
How could you forget? If he had just activated the freaking plan he would have gotten a second term. Literally shot himself in the foot when you consider that he himself got Covid. Course he got medical care that nobody, but the President of the US could get.
Literally had the easiest path to reelection and he's such a fuck up he couldn't even do that right.
Incumbent presidents during major disasters almost ALWAYS win reelection. Literally just had to say "this China flu is serious stuff folks. Just wear a mask, I even have trump 2020 masks you can buy for 39.99!"
That was always my rebuttal to the “Trump is secretly a genius mastermind” line. If he was so fucking smart he would have realized that his adoring public would lap up anything he says and gladly buy KN95s with Trump printed on them for $50 each. He would build a huge campaign war chest, and have stopped the pandemic effectively enough to cruise into a 2nd term and probably not be facing like 6 dozen criminal charges.
There is a very real world were Trump would have gotten democrats to even vote for him if he'd at least handled the pandemic. I've told so many Trumpers that if Trump had just sat back and let Fauci do his thing, Trump could have soaked up all the glory and he'd have SAILED to an easy re-election. Instead he made masks, vacinnes, and Fauci the enemy because the pandemic hit Blue cities first, so Trump and his team decided to HURT Americans because, initially, it looked like COVID was going to smash Democratic voters.
Then the cities got their responses on line and COVID shifted hard to the countryside....where everyone had been brainwashed to think masks, vaccines, and social distancing were stupid lib things and it spread among them like wildfire.
Then, as they began to fall sick, they very quickly learned (probably not) that decades of Republican control of their areas had left the healthcare systems in terrible disarray. So you either died or were shipped off to one of the big Blue cities so they could save you. And they died by the hundreds of thousands, all to own the libs.
> because the pandemic hit Blue cities first, so Trump and his team decided to HURT Americans
Not hurt, *kill*. Trump wanted those of us on the coasts to die.
He used COVID as a biological weapon against American citizens.
Under his and Kushner's orders, they were confiscating PPE legally purchased by coastal "blue" states, to prevent us from having what we needed to combat the pandemic.
It was so bad that MA needed to use the NE Patriots private jet to smuggle PPE into the state.
Not to "well akshuly" too much, but (at least as I remember it) the disbanding of the pandemic response team happened in 2018. Now of course this was still a monumentally idiotic decision and you are absolutely right that he had reelection gift wrapped for him and all he had to do was say in his own style of what I probably legally have to call "speaking," was
> I have many, you know people are... doctors are saying "oh, this is very bad, Donald, sir. One of the baddest things we saw." Many people don't know this but masks they cover your face and make it so you can't give it to people. I don't give stuff to people, that's why I'm so rich and went to the Wharton School of Finance. My uncle, he once said "Donald, many years ago people wore masks to stop the flu" and people didn't like it, but they did it and they stopped the flu. The infection rate, I heard was very high, probably higher than anything we've ever seen. And when they're telling you, ... ok. Like, when I wear a mask I am saying "no Corona, not today!" And the liberal democrats, they're saying this is nothing like the flu they say don't worry. They say don't worry. They don't want you to wear a mask. And Dr. Fauci knows a lot of these things. He probably knows more about vipers... and about viruses, he knows more about them than everyone except for me. He told me these things and I understood, I understood, I got and then when I, when he said those things to me I asked him to tell you because he will use words you can understand
And basically limit travel early, invoke the Defense Production Act, and delegate responsibility to Fauci and his team (which would mean less word for Tweetle Dumb himself, which feeds into his laziness) and he would very likely have won.
Plus he didn't even think of the grift opportunity - MAGA masks. His qult would bankrupt themselves buying such masks.
they were being held at gunpoint and the people fleeing were shot. the people who could’ve possibly been slightly willing only did so after Jones had poisoned the children first and made everyone watch them die. I hate the comparison of Jonestown to willing participants of hate. Maga nut jobs are pure evil and truly willing participants.
edit: i accidentally said butt jobs lol lol
Project 25 proudly proclaims that they did not, in fact, kill enough people last time. There is a whole section dedicated towards the CDC and the WHO where they will dismantle both on day 1
A couple years ago I said that if there was another global pandemic and we had a republican president vaccine research would be made illegal and they all thought I was being silly but this is a big hint.
February 9, 2023 [North Dakota Lawmakers in Bismarck voted to advance a bill related to banning mRNA vaccines.](https://www.kfyrtv.com/2023/02/09/lawmakers-turn-mrna-ban-bill-into-study-passes-senate/)
February 2, 2023 [Idaho bill would criminalize giving mRNA vaccines – the tech used in popular COVID vaccines](https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2023/02/21/idaho-mrna-covid-19-vaccines/11316055002/)
It's really difficult to share a world with people who don't try at all to understand it. There is no scientifically backed reasoning to ban this. It's pure fear and ignorance motivating them and it just sucks to have to deal with that.
Literally nothing this man does is normal, or what you'd expect an earnest public servant working in good faith on behalf of nation's best interests to do. Everything he does is what a malevolent, terroristic actor would do. I hope everyone does some deep, honest contemplation before election day. I don't believe the country can withstand four or more years of this guy considering the fascistic plans he and his bad faith associates are openly planning to implement if he's allowed back in the White House.
> Christians are too busy hating gay and Trans people to notice.
They are fine with Trump being that way since they don't need to hide their hatred of gays and trans people anymore.
It never was about gay and trans people, it was all about finding someone to attack that could not hit back. Such cowards.
How many Trump supporters have met someone who has been negatively affected by the fact that gay and trans people exist?
How many have met someone that has been bankrupted by medical debt?
How many have met someone working 2-3 jobs because they cannot live off minimum wage?
They are fighting made up problems while ignoring real ones.
Very incoherent, as usual:
>In a recent interview with TIME magazine, Donald Trump said that if reelected, he would disband the Office of Pandemic Preparedness and Response Policy (OPPR), a permanent office of the executive branch established by Congress in 2022. The Biden campaign responded quickly to point out that Trump’s failed pandemic response was why the OPPR was created to begin with.
In his interview with TIME, Trump described the office as “just a way of giving out pork.” He explained, “And, yeah, I probably would \[disband it\], because I think we’ve learned a lot and we can mobilize, you know, we can mobilize. A lot of the things that you do and a lot of the equipment that you buy is obsolete when you get hit with something. And as far as medicines, you know, these medicines are very different depending on what strains, depending on what type of flu or virus it may be. You know, things change so much. So, yeah, I think I would.”
March 17, 2020 [Trump Defended Cuts to Public-Health Agencies](https://archive.ph/6Cr9M)
In a 2018 press briefing, the president said of public-health professionals, “I don’t like having thousands of people around when you don’t need them.”
This is very much the short sighted thinking that I have seen in large corporations. The last place I worked had the idea that every quarter they would try and cut staff to save money. The idea being that they could just hire them back the moment things picked back up. In there mind these highly skilled technicians and assembly techs were just sitting around waiting to be rehired. Of course we had to pay through the nose to find replacements when production kicked back up. What dumbass here didn't understand is that government jobs tend to pay crap so you are better off keeping around people who are dedicated rather then hiring last minute thinking that they can all get up to speed over night.
How do "business people" not realize that trying to hire people back when ***you need them*** puts the employee at the advantage?
It's sell low/buy high but with people...
"Things change so why bother keeping an office dedicated to keeping up to date plans or multipleplans for different cases? Why fucking bother even trying to prepare for different eventualities." "You know things change so much."
Goddamn I hate him so fucking much how can your brain be so fucked that this is your logic? its literally upside down logic what the fuck. This asshole.
“And, yeah, I probably would \[disband it\], because I think we’ve learned a lot and we can mobilize, you know, we can mobilize.
\~Donald Trump
The MAIN thing that we've learned is to never put this fucking idiot in charge of a pandemic response; or anything critically important for that matter.
To illustrate what everyone is saying in this thread….
In 2009, the Obama-Biden administration launched a $200-million pandemic early-warning program called PREDICT, which trained and supported staff in 60 foreign laboratories to stop and prevent pandemics. This initiative identified 1,200 different viruses that had the potential to erupt into pandemics, [including more than 160](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/03/trump-scrapped-pandemic-early-warning-program-system-before-coronavirus) novel coronaviruses.
The labs they worked with included the Wuhan lab that identified Covid19.
This is the initiative that [put a stop to viruses](https://www.latimes.com/science/story/2020-04-02/coronavirus-trump-pandemic-program-viruses-detection
) before they became pandemics. They warned airports and health agencies. They initiated contact tracing and identification. They were the ones who stopped pandemics hundreds of times in the past 10 years, and were doing it right up until September 2019.
In September 2019, just as hospitals in Wuhan [started filling up due to an unknown disease](https://www.cnbc.com/2020/06/09/coronavirus-may-have-been-spreading-in-china-in-august-harvard-study.html), the Trump administration ended this $200-million pandemic early-warning program. (Additional [scholarly source](https://dash.harvard.edu/handle/1/42669767) for peer-review lovers)
This program is what would have shut down air traffic the moment those first cases were discovered. They would have known as early as September something earth shattering was happening in China's healthcare. This is when our country would have otherwise mobilized. Per protocol, they would have initiated travel advisories, alerted Customs and Border Protection, and traced every person with the virus who was coming to America. This would have cost some money, but it was doable.
After two months of spread, the first official case was in [November in China](https://www.livescience.com/first-case-coronavirus-found.html). This was still enough time to prevent spread.
By [December 13th, 2019](https://www.cnn.com/world/live-news/coronavirus-pandemic-12-01-20-intl/h_5e4e8b4b5f8f0b44c5286c5f05b483bb), the first infections started coming to America.
I am in weekly meetings with Federal Protective Services. Their most popular deployment is Mardi Gras, where dozens of agents all volunteer to go down to protect the event. FPS explained that during Mardi Gras, people were coming into the hospitals with flu-like symptoms, being tested and found negative for flu, and [were released into the public where they kept partying](https://www.nola.com/news/coronavirus/article_dedfb5e4-7c2a-11ea-901f-6720fa25be5a.html).
The PREDICT program would have put all of the hospitals in America on high alert. Instead, hospitals were releasing people into the public without any warning.
It took four months of Trump calling it [a hoax](https://doggett.house.gov/media-center/blog-posts/timeline-trump-s-coronavirus-responses) before any public response was made. Trump rejected 200 MILLION Pfizer vaccine doses in the summer. In November, after losing the election, [he rejected an additional 100 MILLION vaccine doses](https://thehill.com/changing-america/well-being/prevention-cures/530121-trump-administration-turned-down-vaccine-doses) from Pfizer.
Trump is DIRECTLY responsible for the spread of coronavirus. If he had not shut down the PREDICT program, this would not have happened. I mean, it *could* be a coincidence that we had no pandemics in the past 10 years, then the very month Trump shut down the program, a pandemic started spreading, but you'd have to be a Trump supporter to believe that.
What the fuck. So if this line of reasoning is to be believed, Trump's response to news of a developing viral situation in China was to intentionally terminate the program with the direct goal of allowing the emerging illness to grow out of control in China, presumably with the goal of destabilising the country and killing Chinese citizens.
He's demented enough that I can't confidently say he _wouldn't_ do something like that, but what a deranged thing for a national leader to do, and commit to continuing to do even as it kills your own citizens.
Trump is a narcissist and a moron. Imho this combination explains almost all of his apparently irrational behaviour - he cannot back down and admit he was ever wrong, and he is too stupid to understand the consequences of this will often be much worse for him.
He is the reason so many died during covid. Remember refrigerator trucks used as morgues as so many were dying. If he is elected we are a stupid nation and will deserve the destruction he will bring.
Of course he would. Just like how this mess all started. At least if Hillary won and COVID came, the US would have more time prepare and limit the deaths.
Trump’s ineptitude (and intentional malfeasance) regarding the pandemic started the day he transitioned into the presidency and threw out Obama’s warnings / preparedness plan.
Thankful to journalists, researchers, and other experts for for documenting this timeline from beginning to end because it’s damning. [Please take a moment to see how the Trump Administration sentenced hundreds of thousands of Americans to death.](https://www.justsecurity.org/69650/timeline-of-the-coronavirus-pandemic-and-u-s-response/)
Source: JustSecurity
>"... I probably would [disband it], because I think we’ve learned a lot and we can mobilize, you know, we can mobilize. A lot of the things that you do and a lot of the equipment that you buy is obsolete when you get hit with something. And as far as medicines, you know, these medicines are very different depending on what strains, depending on what type of flu or virus it may be. You know, things change so much. So, yeah, I think I would.”
The Dumbest man alive
Probably not the dumbest man alive, but lets say by far the dumbest man among those with even a remote chance of winning the U.S. presidency in the '24 election. Although RFK Jr. is certainly challenging Trump in this.
If it
1. Makes Putin happy.
2. Hurts anyone he doesn't like.
3. Makes him money.
Or any combination of the above, Trump will do it.
He would happily wear the constitution as a diaper and wipe his ass with the flag if it benefitted himself.
He has no soul.
Trump could say he's putting all the illegal immigrants into concentration camps to be killed and his base would still support him.
I'm not American but I'm watching this next election closely. There is a lot to loose.
Pretty perfect example of *"when you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all"*.
Another common example by management: *"Hey all our computers work fine, so we don't need to keep paying all those IT guys"* then *shocked pikachu face* when everything breaks after the team gets fired
That’s nice. Too bad for him he’s not going to be let anywhere near the White House. He’ll be washing other inmates undies in the toilet in the Big House.
He’s a guy who breaks things. It’s what he does and it’s why chaos and division follow him everywhere he goes.
He disbanded the pandemic response team from the NSC, and ended the PREDICT program which had researchers in labs all over the world, including Wuhan, and was designed to contain novel viruses before they become pandemics.
He’s directly responsible for reversing decades of pandemic defense expertise and institutional knowledge.
It’s not a random coincidence that we have double the covid mortality rate of Canada. It was gross negligence, ie murder.
In his interview with TIME, Trump described the office as “just a way of giving out pork.”
The same guy who added $8.5T to the national debt ($3.5 Covid related which could have been less if he had not deliberately botched the response).
Covid made him look bad. So... get rid of those who would help handle it. No group, no viruses, problem solved! That's the mentality of a child and yet people STILL are worshiping him like their new golden calf.
He'd dismantle it because "we can mobilize".
What the fuck does that mean, Donny? And do you recognize the reason you lost the election ultimately boils down to your abysmal handling of the pandemic?
The idiot still doesn't get it.
Don’t vote for someone who can’t learn from his mistakes. Also don’t vote for someone with Narcissistic Personality Disorder and Sociopathy. Also don’t vote for a conman. Also don’t vote for a sexual predator and verifiable rapist. Also don’t vote for a wannabe dictator authoritarian. Also don’t vote for someone with 88 criminal charges. Also don’t vote for someone who incited an insurrection and tried to stop the peaceful transfer of power.
I want to know what he has on people that he can just do whatever he wants and never face a single actual consequence. I swear he could live stream himself killing a person in the street and somehow get more voters and never see a jail cell.
But if i were to like run a red light or something stupid like that, the entire criminal justice system would dial it to 11 to punish me
The thing is that Covid was just a test run. The next virus to take hold in humans might be more virulent with 30% death rate. It is then the real disaster of the Trump administration will be revealed.
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"If we stopped testing right now, we’d have very few cases, if any." -Donald Trump
Or his nephew in training Jared Kushner, in his actions to ensure that cases in NYC and Philly would remain high, hoping to “cull” some prior to the Election who weren’t falling for their shtick in the first place…
Meanwhile that blew up in their faces. If they had fixed everythjng and responded right away they would’ve had the election on a silver platter. What would’ve been the democrat response to the trump administration saving millions of lives, jobs and businesses. Everyone would’ve had to give him kudos and he would’ve been like Bush was with 9/11 and had a tragedy to coast off of. Pieces of shit remain too greedy.
What's really annoying is Biden did at all that, and he seems to get very little credit for it. Instead people complain about the residual inflation from the pandemic and Trump era economic policies. I can't help but think if Trump carried out the Biden admin pandemic policies, many people would be falling over themselves to give him credit. Republicans really are graded on a curve.
Diaper don told everyone to drink bleach. If he’d won even more of his supporters would be dead. Everyone seems to forget that under Trumps leaderships people were taking horse de wormer and all he really did was stoke covid conspiracies the entire time.
> horse de wormer My brain tried to make this French. Horsé de Wormér.
I'm glad I wasn't the only one.
I misread it as "Norse de wormer" if it makes you feel better. Thought OP was trying to mention something from the Viking era
Meanwhile when he was very sick with Covid he got a fortune of monoclonal antibodies pumped into him, while it wasn’t even available at that time to most anyone else.
And I do so very, very much resent that. He got the best care while millions died. Total resentment.
Hey! He told them to INJECT bleach geez he's not an idiot! Drinking it will kill you!
The medias are mostly owned by rich assholes that really wants another tax cut Trump promised them.
This is how it has always been. A republican pres comes in and ruins the economy with shitty policies then a dem one comes in deal with and trying to fix the fallout from the rep pres while getting blamed for the problem caused by the rep. Then a rep comes in tries taking credit for the fixes the dem did and the cycle repeats. Bassiclly every time a rep is in office the country takes a nose dive and their voters are to stupid to understand that.
*Inject* bleach If someone wrote a book with a US President who did/said even a quarter of what Trump did, it would've came off as too cartoonishly unbelievable
Biden is the best president of my adult life. Obama did a really good respectable job. But biden is pushing so many positive changes through. Big positives for the next gen. 4 more years would be huge.
However millions are buying the lies and propaganda being spread loudly on social platforms and right wing media! They refuse to accept the facts or the truth that they are backing a grifter who continually whines about ‘corrupt judges, corrupt prosecutors, conspiracy against him, etc’. He repeats his BS every time he’s in front of a camera. His followers are soaking it up! He continues to claim that‘corrupt Joe Biden is controlling all of this’. In order for his election claims to be true and this conspiracy to keep him from winning the election, it would take tens of thousands of officials and people to be involved in order to make this happen! He’s still pushing the same election conspiracy that he claims was a deep state conspiracy to control every aspect of the election process and stole the election? Hundreds of thousands of people would have to been a part of it! Still, we have corrupt Right Wing politicians and community activists who are still pushing the same lie! Why are millions of Americans so very ignorant? People like Moscow Marge and Ted Cruze don’t even try to hide just how ridiculous their actions and claims are. There is a serious cancer that has eaten the very soul out of America. It’s so contagious that I’m afraid we may not be able to stop it before America dies as a Democracy the most dangerous and corrupt politicians ever known to rise into powerful positions will control our lives. I’m getting old now and won’t have to deal with it for long. However I’m absolutely scared to death for my children and grandchildren! What have Trump and the Extreme Right politicians done to our country?
Republicans aren't grading on a curve. They are grading on a pass/fail. If Democrat: FAIL If Republican: PASS (with extreme honors)
People ignore that the Trump tax breaks were designed to expire to harm democrats and instead are complaining about taxes increasing. Yeah, republicans were gonna kick the can down the road 4 more years if Trump won, but instead they’ll hurt everyone to hurt democrats.
People have no idea just how much National Debt Trump left us with or the residual inflation from Trump era economics. It’s simply easier to blame all of our financial problems on the current President. If Trump wins this election, we will have the worst economy ever created being run by an authoritarian dictatorship that will have control over every aspect of our government. His plans to deport tens of thousands of people who may be undocumented or Muslim, or otherwise undesirable to him, utilizing the National Guard will decide a work force that has been the backbone of our agricultural system, construction labor, and many other jobs that blue collar Americans don’t want! The cost of finishing his Border Wall will come out of the pocket of working class Americans via tax hikes. This idiot is the reason we do have a secure border and a controlled immigration system. Congress had a bipartisan solution that included everything that the Right Wing of Congress had been asking for. He squashed it because he didn’t want Biden to get credit for securing our border and control the immigration. He’d surely lose the election! Now every crooked Republican politician is cashing in on the lie that our immigration system is a disaster because of Biden? They claim that the flood of criminals and fentanyl is happening “because of Biden’s failed immigration policy?” I’m so sickened by the GOP lies, misinformation, propaganda, and manipulation. As an American citizen and lifelong Republican, I’m downright outraged, appalled, embarrassed about the destruction of the GOP along with our democracy!’ He will shut down the pandemic preparedness office and put himself in charge of the Surgeon General’s office. (Just one of the agencies he plans to put under his control as President) How is it possible that so many Patriotic Americans have been duped into believing that this country will survive under this psychotic, narcissistic, lying, corrupt, grifter? Between the Gaza crisis and the current financial struggles so many are having, it’s hard to imagine how many millions of voters are willing to give up on our democracy, our future, or America itself because they feel that Biden’s policies on Israel and the current immigration crisis are not working. The fact is that Trump screwed us by stopping the most comprehensive immigration reform and border security reform ever put before Congress! The ugliness’s of the war on Gaza is astounding! However, all of these protests and debates will and have had a significant detrimental impact on the election outcome in November. Disbanding the pandemic preparedness program is the least of our concerns! Allowing the GOP and Trump’s propaganda machine to continue exploiting the lies and misinformation on ‘X’ and’Truth Social’ as well as other internet outlets will be the downfall of our democracy, and the America we’ve loved for 240 years!
It also hurt them because after it grew in the cities it spread out to the mid west. There it killed many, mostly because they refused to protect themselves.
Just to point out your comment with an anecdote. My aunt died 2 years ago from covid. My entire family (about 200 if you include the extended family) sans like 5 of them will not acknowledge she died from covid, b/c she died from pneumonia...caused by covid. Everyone of them voted for Trump. Everyone of them wanted stores open. Everyone of them refused to wear masks. I'm honestly surprised she was the only one that suffered from the lack of common sense.
I'm so sorry for your loss. I also lost my aunt to covid, but I come from a long line of leftist rednecks (who know the true meaning of the word). She masked and isolated and did everything she was supposed to do, but no one else in her community took it seriously and she got sick anyway. She died right before the vaccine became widely available.
I'm sorry for your loss. I live among those people, too. Dad died from complications from COVID (IMO). I can tell you where and when he got it from: in the local Dollar (Cellulose) (He had been quarantined for the previous 2 weeks), a blonde woman was stalking back and forth, complaining "her kids wouldn't let her see her new grandkid. Just because she had a cough and wouldn't mask up. Masks don't work anyways. COVID is just fake news..."
I was recently told that it was the ventilators that were killing people by giving them pneumonia. Hospitals would sedate people and put them on ventilators to make money but then they would get pneumonia from the tubes in their throat. Because they would walk in fine to a hospital and have a tube down their throats a few days later. When I asked why they were in a hospital if they were fine they changed the subject to trans people.
Fun fact, democracies are better off without people who want to end them. In other words “oh no, anyway.”
Trump is incapable of doing anything but doubling down and he lives and feeds off yes energy. He tried saying once for people to listen to doctors and get vaccinated, he got booed by his supporters. He hated the response, shut up and never mentioned it again. Finally, when shit hit the fan he could do nothing but double down.
This is actually a really good point, cause virtually every other country in the world besides the us saw a "rally around the flag" effect for the current goverment. He barely lost in 2020, with millions of americans dead. Its unbelivable.
As an American living in Thailand, I was impressed by the response to COVID over here. The government rolled out vaccines as fast as they could and attempted to get everyone vaccinated. Admittedly some of the vaccine brands were second rate but people got them. The percentage of people wearing masks has only dropped below 50% in the last couple of weeks. Actually the percentage of people wearing masks is still higher than the percentage of motorcycle drivers wearing helmets.
“If we remove the smoke detectors there’s no fire!” God this man is so fucking dumb.
Trump in 1955: if we don't launch spy satellites, then we've won the arms race because Russia can't have nukes if we can't see them.
This is when my eye starts twitching because this amount of willful ignorance hurts my brain. It hurt watching it in realtime - it caused stress living through this because of this cognitive dissonance it took not to break down. To think this could be reality again with a more pointed willfully ignore the public scares me and feels un-American to me. I’ve always felt a lot of pride for my country overall for the majority of my life but to think this man has represented us and may again makes me feel shame.
The searing hate that I felt for the subhuman Trump clan and their low-intellect, smug supporters was poisoning me. It was unreal how much I hated them.
Honestly this is just old person logic. My father in law refuses to go to the Dr because he is afraid the will tell him he has cancer.. bro you smoked since your 14. You’re in your 70s man up and do it. It’s literally old person logic
He wants to say "I've smoked since I was 14, and I turned out fine." Bruh, just because you never got the news from your doctor about what smoking did to your body for decades doesn't mean it didn't happen, lol
Yup same logic I have seen for covid. All from the older republicans if we don’t test we have no cases. Well no you just don’t know about them
Trump sees everything based on how it impacts him directly. More cases looks bad. What fascinates me is his inability to clearly articulate his message. He was trying to say something like, “My administration has increased testing. Increased testing means that we’re going to know about more cases. The numbers are going to go up.” But he doesn’t want to spend the time explaining himself so: “testing more makes the number go up.” It’s hard to say whether this stems from his lack of understanding or just intellectual laziness and a desire to follow the path of least effort. The logical solution is to root the problem out, but that’s not how Trump has ever operated. Look at how he’s handled the court cases: Hide the sex for money. Hide the documents. “Wouldn’t it be better if we didn’t have the documents?” His entire life has been spent covering things up, so it’s hard to know whether his desire to throw a rug over the Covid on the floor is idiocy or habit.
Schrodinger's cancer
Nah, it's toddler logic. Object permanence is something the GOP lacks.
When I was 6 years old, I believed that ostrich buried their heads in the sand to hide (saw it in a cartoon). As an adult, I realize that they don't, of course. Trump is dumber than how dumb I imagined an ostrich to be when I was 6.
My dad refused to go for decades. Also a heavy smoker. Now he’s 77 and looks 95 with all sorts of health problems. He doesn’t have a “cancer” diagnosis but has had small masses seen on his lungs and kidneys but as he would say “it’s nothing to worry about”. He only kidding himself. He’s on 100% oxygen all the time and the best I’ve seen his pulse ox reach is 85. When I confronted him about it, he simply says “I don’t know how this happened, I’ve always been so healthy and in good shape”. Mind you, he’s smoked for 60 years, (both weed and cigarettes) eats the most unhealthy I’ve ever seen (everything is drowned in butter and salt), hasn’t exercised in at least 35 years when I was a child, and currently weighs a frail (needs a walker or cane full time) 135 lbs (5’11”).
>the best I’ve seen his pulse ox reach is 85 JFC, knowing that 93 is a time to panic about a patient, I am surprised he thinks he's okay.
Mine was 83 on lying down and 52 on moving - and I had bilateral pneumonia and respiratory failure and was blue lighted to resus. Dude is actively dying.
My dad smoked 4 packs a day. He’s in his 90s. He goes to the doctor. When they say they will see him again in 6 months, He says “good news, I have 6 more months?” No such thing as “old people logic”. Your dad might know he’s sick and wants to deal with it the way he chooses.
Amazes me when heavy smokers live that long. I have a heap of uncles and aunties who smoked and none of them made it to 75. They weren't even heavy smokers mostly. Meanwhile my father in law has smoked since 15 and is turning 85 soon.
"3.6 Roentgen? Not great, not terrible" "But that's as high as the-" "**SHUTTHEFUCKUPYOUTWAT**" *Five Years Later, Looking over Burning Radioactive Landscape* "Perfect. Beautiful. I told them it was great, and we didn't need *emergencies* or *containment domes*. Would do it all over again." There's stupid, and then there's not seeing things that are directly in front of your face.
Ah, yes, the "No one has herpes in the dark" logic.
This man had the pandemic handed to him on a silver platter. Go out say something inspiring, let the experts set the policy and sell millions of "Make America Safe Again" masks on his way to re-election, but instead he couldn't let the attention be off him for 5 seconds and in turn drove his cult into denying the science and in turn millions of Americans died.
All of this. He had the easiest layup. Cut another “Trump check” or whatever he wants to call it like a month before the election and he would have coasted to victory.
He delayed checks to make sure they had his signature. Just remembering that
My Trump supporting father made a big stink about how Biden is bribing people to vote for him by forgiving student loans. I, brought up the checks with Trump's name on them. He didn't want to discuss the issue anymore.
fastest way to shut shit down is demand to do it on a "White board / chalk board." e.g. write down your argument. I write down a response, etc. Each time you make a claim we can't advance until you provide a citation that both people agree with is true. half the time they can't even find 1 source for their argument because all they do is read headlines (that are barely clinging to the truth if at all) and not the articles. The second challenge is to keep it on track. E.g. on the subject that was written down on top.
as someone who pays taxes by direct deposit, I got the stimulus credited back that way so the signature thing was even more needless
Yeah but you, like me, probably got a letter in the mail with his big dumb signature, making sure you knew the money was thanks to him.
It was his 9/11. Guaranteed second term just like w.
All of this because masks smudged the bronzer on his face.
Yep. He managed to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.
This. Politicians love to have natural disaster or other events that often bring people together. With a good reaction they can buoy political approval. The pandemic also limited in person campaigning, which should have been a big benefit to incumbents in general as long as they were perceived as managing the situation well.
I mean we did watch him gleefully through paper towels at hurricane survivors in Puerto Rico, so we know he has a boner for these kind of things.
Also breathed new life into the current anti-vax trend
Goddammit he's so stupid
It's not stupid when it's willful. It's evil.
You're right. But to be clear: He's also really fucking stupid
Special combination of both stupid, and absolutely uninterested, in literally anything that's not himself. He had the opportunity to become not stupid, but he clung to his ignorance for decades until we got to the point where the NSA had to randomly inject his name in the Presidential Daily Briefing every several seconds otherwise he just spaced out and wandered away.
Hey the bleach would have worked if we gave it a chance!
You can't die from the virus if bleach kills you. Just don't test for it. Now it's natural causes. Bing bang boom art of the deal
Dammit. He broke my brain when he said to stop the count, all because the numbers kept going up and it made him look bad. I had to sit down for two full days just to come up with the following response. “ Naw Trumplestilksin, your evil incompetence, willful ignorance, and hateful narcissistic behavior destroyed millions of lives!” I hold Trump, personally responsible for the millions of COVID deaths. I rather server an eternity in hell than forgive Trump for his hateful nature.
Agreed, and it’s astounding that his actions during COVID are being ignored
I’ll make sure no one forgets
He attacked NZ because our COVID response was making him look bad.
Ghost written by Mr Clean.
I think a couple folks gave it a try. go ask them how it helped
Anyone got a ouija board?
I want to see where he was going with putting light inside the body
I agree that if all his followers had injected bleach into their veins the pandemic response would have been much better.
Just stop reporting the deaths. There...problem solved!
Its both; its an act of willfully self destruction watered down with denial just like it was throughout his presidency, with his utter incapability to do things that would actually benefit his public image in regards to handling a pandemic under the reasoning that he didn’t want to acknowledge it was happening.
Except that he really is just fucking stupid
Yep. He knows people will die as a result. He may be dumb, but he's not that dumb.
He's still rather dumb.
How does not trying to solve a problem in ways that would’ve benefited him fall under “not that dumb”?
Yeah, I don't get the defense of his intelligence. He regularly makes poor decisions intentionally because it pleases his ego. He seriously argued positive cases would be down if we didn't test for it. That only makes sense in a "if I can't see it, it doesn't exist" sort of logic.
He’s only saying it because that’s what his supporters want. To them, pandemic preparedness equals Fauci, masks, and mandatory vaccines. He’s pandering to his fucking idiot followers.
Eh, I think you are overthinking it. He is saying he would disband this office again, because to say otherwise would be tantamount to admitting he was wrong in closing it the first time. He is incapable of admitting he was wrong or made a mistake, so he will repeat the same mistakes again, and again. I mean, how many casinos has he bankrupted over the years? He can not learn, because he is such a raging narcissist he believes everything he does is perfect and cannot be improved. So he does the same, stupid shit again and again and thinks he is a genius.
Also, he enjoys tearing down anything his “enemies” have created.
This is the real answer. He only thinks as far ahead as what's going to get him the most attention, get his cult the most excited and convince them to give him money.
…it means refusing to wear a mask when you storm the capitol which leads to easy identification
I feel at this stage, we’re really underselling how dumb he is
That stage came in the mid 1980s.
Comment of the year! Ive been telling anyone who will listen. As a high school kid in the early 90’s, I already knew this guy was a scam grifter.
And his commitment to never admitting he was wrong.
That's classic narcissism.
the living embodiment of: "the higher up a tree the monkey climbs, the more you see of his ass."
Alternate universe in which Hillary goes through 17 months of investigation because 4 people died from coronavirus
This is his ego’s stupid, mindless attempt to erase the embarrassment of how he handled COVID. Since he can’t intimidate or buy off a virus into saying how great he is, the next best thing is just pretending the Pandemic never happened, or just wasn’t a big deal. Shutting down the Pandemic Preparedness Office is a manifestation of that desire. A bit of armchair psychology, sure, but my policy is to assume everything Trump does in service of his ego, which is swollen, delicate, and wholly irrational. He’s like America’s Id made manifest and it’s it’s consistently infuriating.
It was just a little 9/11 every day. I mean, was 9/11 really that big of a deal? And wasn't the battle of Gettysburg great? And don't magnets stop working when they get wet? What day is it? Where am I?
Imagine getting rid of the pandemic preparedness office a year before we get hit with TB, Ebola or any of a hundred known diseases still present outside the USA.
infuriating isn’t it
He is trying to weaken our country.
People denying science is big money for the medical insurance industry. A preventative check-up or vaccine will only bill x, when they're on death's door people will give you their life savings. The overstressed doctors and nurses aren't the ones getting paid. Anti-preventative medicine is $$$. Also Jesus is coming back and I wanted a youtube video so who is some doctor with 10+ years post graduate education to tell me what to do?
There was some quote by some businessman not long ago saying basically "Is it good business to cure people?"
i believe you are thinking of a Goldman Sachs report from six years ago: https://www.reddit.com/r/medicine/comments/8bymx2/is_curing_patients_a_sustainable_business_model/ https://nj.gov/governor/library/equity/TaskForce_logo.png
Sure, but he's also a Russian asset and that's at the heart of this and many other issues.
Donald’s a great candidate for leaving a child behind
"Rule 1: never admit you're wrong."
I completely forgot he did that... fuck...
to spite Obama
“The cupboards were bare when I took office”, he says as he dismantles the pandemic preparedness team and tries to defund the CDC
April 8, 2020 [Trump said the Obama admin left him a bare government stockpile. Wrong.](https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2020/apr/08/donald-trump/trump-said-obama-admin-left-him-bare-stockpile-wro/)
That's part one of the Republican program: Get a list of everything Democrats achieved, and break every single item on the list.
How could you forget? If he had just activated the freaking plan he would have gotten a second term. Literally shot himself in the foot when you consider that he himself got Covid. Course he got medical care that nobody, but the President of the US could get.
Literally had the easiest path to reelection and he's such a fuck up he couldn't even do that right. Incumbent presidents during major disasters almost ALWAYS win reelection. Literally just had to say "this China flu is serious stuff folks. Just wear a mask, I even have trump 2020 masks you can buy for 39.99!"
That was always my rebuttal to the “Trump is secretly a genius mastermind” line. If he was so fucking smart he would have realized that his adoring public would lap up anything he says and gladly buy KN95s with Trump printed on them for $50 each. He would build a huge campaign war chest, and have stopped the pandemic effectively enough to cruise into a 2nd term and probably not be facing like 6 dozen criminal charges.
There is a very real world were Trump would have gotten democrats to even vote for him if he'd at least handled the pandemic. I've told so many Trumpers that if Trump had just sat back and let Fauci do his thing, Trump could have soaked up all the glory and he'd have SAILED to an easy re-election. Instead he made masks, vacinnes, and Fauci the enemy because the pandemic hit Blue cities first, so Trump and his team decided to HURT Americans because, initially, it looked like COVID was going to smash Democratic voters. Then the cities got their responses on line and COVID shifted hard to the countryside....where everyone had been brainwashed to think masks, vaccines, and social distancing were stupid lib things and it spread among them like wildfire. Then, as they began to fall sick, they very quickly learned (probably not) that decades of Republican control of their areas had left the healthcare systems in terrible disarray. So you either died or were shipped off to one of the big Blue cities so they could save you. And they died by the hundreds of thousands, all to own the libs.
> because the pandemic hit Blue cities first, so Trump and his team decided to HURT Americans Not hurt, *kill*. Trump wanted those of us on the coasts to die. He used COVID as a biological weapon against American citizens. Under his and Kushner's orders, they were confiscating PPE legally purchased by coastal "blue" states, to prevent us from having what we needed to combat the pandemic. It was so bad that MA needed to use the NE Patriots private jet to smuggle PPE into the state.
Not to "well akshuly" too much, but (at least as I remember it) the disbanding of the pandemic response team happened in 2018. Now of course this was still a monumentally idiotic decision and you are absolutely right that he had reelection gift wrapped for him and all he had to do was say in his own style of what I probably legally have to call "speaking," was > I have many, you know people are... doctors are saying "oh, this is very bad, Donald, sir. One of the baddest things we saw." Many people don't know this but masks they cover your face and make it so you can't give it to people. I don't give stuff to people, that's why I'm so rich and went to the Wharton School of Finance. My uncle, he once said "Donald, many years ago people wore masks to stop the flu" and people didn't like it, but they did it and they stopped the flu. The infection rate, I heard was very high, probably higher than anything we've ever seen. And when they're telling you, ... ok. Like, when I wear a mask I am saying "no Corona, not today!" And the liberal democrats, they're saying this is nothing like the flu they say don't worry. They say don't worry. They don't want you to wear a mask. And Dr. Fauci knows a lot of these things. He probably knows more about vipers... and about viruses, he knows more about them than everyone except for me. He told me these things and I understood, I understood, I got and then when I, when he said those things to me I asked him to tell you because he will use words you can understand And basically limit travel early, invoke the Defense Production Act, and delegate responsibility to Fauci and his team (which would mean less word for Tweetle Dumb himself, which feeds into his laziness) and he would very likely have won. Plus he didn't even think of the grift opportunity - MAGA masks. His qult would bankrupt themselves buying such masks.
I believe his overall response ending up killing enough of his voters and supporters, especially in Georgia, to cost himself the 2020 election.
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Guaranteed some of his cult followers will do the same once he passes. They will see it as ‘end of the world’ and I’m all here for it :)
they were being held at gunpoint and the people fleeing were shot. the people who could’ve possibly been slightly willing only did so after Jones had poisoned the children first and made everyone watch them die. I hate the comparison of Jonestown to willing participants of hate. Maga nut jobs are pure evil and truly willing participants. edit: i accidentally said butt jobs lol lol
Didn’t kill enough people last time you dumb piece of shit?
Project 25 proudly proclaims that they did not, in fact, kill enough people last time. There is a whole section dedicated towards the CDC and the WHO where they will dismantle both on day 1
I'm not even American, but reading through some of the Project 2025 manifesto scares the ever living crap out of me.
A couple years ago I said that if there was another global pandemic and we had a republican president vaccine research would be made illegal and they all thought I was being silly but this is a big hint.
February 9, 2023 [North Dakota Lawmakers in Bismarck voted to advance a bill related to banning mRNA vaccines.](https://www.kfyrtv.com/2023/02/09/lawmakers-turn-mrna-ban-bill-into-study-passes-senate/) February 2, 2023 [Idaho bill would criminalize giving mRNA vaccines – the tech used in popular COVID vaccines](https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2023/02/21/idaho-mrna-covid-19-vaccines/11316055002/)
Thank you for this
It's really difficult to share a world with people who don't try at all to understand it. There is no scientifically backed reasoning to ban this. It's pure fear and ignorance motivating them and it just sucks to have to deal with that.
Literally nothing this man does is normal, or what you'd expect an earnest public servant working in good faith on behalf of nation's best interests to do. Everything he does is what a malevolent, terroristic actor would do. I hope everyone does some deep, honest contemplation before election day. I don't believe the country can withstand four or more years of this guy considering the fascistic plans he and his bad faith associates are openly planning to implement if he's allowed back in the White House.
He literally embodies every sign of the anti christ and yet the Christians are too busy hating gay and Trans people to notice.
> Christians are too busy hating gay and Trans people to notice. They are fine with Trump being that way since they don't need to hide their hatred of gays and trans people anymore.
It never was about gay and trans people, it was all about finding someone to attack that could not hit back. Such cowards. How many Trump supporters have met someone who has been negatively affected by the fact that gay and trans people exist? How many have met someone that has been bankrupted by medical debt? How many have met someone working 2-3 jobs because they cannot live off minimum wage? They are fighting made up problems while ignoring real ones.
Very incoherent, as usual: >In a recent interview with TIME magazine, Donald Trump said that if reelected, he would disband the Office of Pandemic Preparedness and Response Policy (OPPR), a permanent office of the executive branch established by Congress in 2022. The Biden campaign responded quickly to point out that Trump’s failed pandemic response was why the OPPR was created to begin with. In his interview with TIME, Trump described the office as “just a way of giving out pork.” He explained, “And, yeah, I probably would \[disband it\], because I think we’ve learned a lot and we can mobilize, you know, we can mobilize. A lot of the things that you do and a lot of the equipment that you buy is obsolete when you get hit with something. And as far as medicines, you know, these medicines are very different depending on what strains, depending on what type of flu or virus it may be. You know, things change so much. So, yeah, I think I would.”
…wouldn’t the OPPR be the thing causing ‘mobilizing’ at first sign of issues? Rather than a ‘what-sticks-to-the-wall’ reactionary tactic? Like…what?
March 17, 2020 [Trump Defended Cuts to Public-Health Agencies](https://archive.ph/6Cr9M) In a 2018 press briefing, the president said of public-health professionals, “I don’t like having thousands of people around when you don’t need them.”
Says the world’s most unhealthy man
He has access to top of the line health care that will never be offered, never be an option for the majority of us.
This is very much the short sighted thinking that I have seen in large corporations. The last place I worked had the idea that every quarter they would try and cut staff to save money. The idea being that they could just hire them back the moment things picked back up. In there mind these highly skilled technicians and assembly techs were just sitting around waiting to be rehired. Of course we had to pay through the nose to find replacements when production kicked back up. What dumbass here didn't understand is that government jobs tend to pay crap so you are better off keeping around people who are dedicated rather then hiring last minute thinking that they can all get up to speed over night.
How do "business people" not realize that trying to hire people back when ***you need them*** puts the employee at the advantage? It's sell low/buy high but with people...
"Things change so why bother keeping an office dedicated to keeping up to date plans or multipleplans for different cases? Why fucking bother even trying to prepare for different eventualities." "You know things change so much." Goddamn I hate him so fucking much how can your brain be so fucked that this is your logic? its literally upside down logic what the fuck. This asshole.
“And, yeah, I probably would \[disband it\], because I think we’ve learned a lot and we can mobilize, you know, we can mobilize. \~Donald Trump The MAIN thing that we've learned is to never put this fucking idiot in charge of a pandemic response; or anything critically important for that matter.
He‘s clearly learned a new word, mobilize, and like the toddler he is, he‘s going to use it all the time. Like his dumbass followers and „DEI“
To illustrate what everyone is saying in this thread…. In 2009, the Obama-Biden administration launched a $200-million pandemic early-warning program called PREDICT, which trained and supported staff in 60 foreign laboratories to stop and prevent pandemics. This initiative identified 1,200 different viruses that had the potential to erupt into pandemics, [including more than 160](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/03/trump-scrapped-pandemic-early-warning-program-system-before-coronavirus) novel coronaviruses. The labs they worked with included the Wuhan lab that identified Covid19. This is the initiative that [put a stop to viruses](https://www.latimes.com/science/story/2020-04-02/coronavirus-trump-pandemic-program-viruses-detection ) before they became pandemics. They warned airports and health agencies. They initiated contact tracing and identification. They were the ones who stopped pandemics hundreds of times in the past 10 years, and were doing it right up until September 2019. In September 2019, just as hospitals in Wuhan [started filling up due to an unknown disease](https://www.cnbc.com/2020/06/09/coronavirus-may-have-been-spreading-in-china-in-august-harvard-study.html), the Trump administration ended this $200-million pandemic early-warning program. (Additional [scholarly source](https://dash.harvard.edu/handle/1/42669767) for peer-review lovers) This program is what would have shut down air traffic the moment those first cases were discovered. They would have known as early as September something earth shattering was happening in China's healthcare. This is when our country would have otherwise mobilized. Per protocol, they would have initiated travel advisories, alerted Customs and Border Protection, and traced every person with the virus who was coming to America. This would have cost some money, but it was doable. After two months of spread, the first official case was in [November in China](https://www.livescience.com/first-case-coronavirus-found.html). This was still enough time to prevent spread. By [December 13th, 2019](https://www.cnn.com/world/live-news/coronavirus-pandemic-12-01-20-intl/h_5e4e8b4b5f8f0b44c5286c5f05b483bb), the first infections started coming to America. I am in weekly meetings with Federal Protective Services. Their most popular deployment is Mardi Gras, where dozens of agents all volunteer to go down to protect the event. FPS explained that during Mardi Gras, people were coming into the hospitals with flu-like symptoms, being tested and found negative for flu, and [were released into the public where they kept partying](https://www.nola.com/news/coronavirus/article_dedfb5e4-7c2a-11ea-901f-6720fa25be5a.html). The PREDICT program would have put all of the hospitals in America on high alert. Instead, hospitals were releasing people into the public without any warning. It took four months of Trump calling it [a hoax](https://doggett.house.gov/media-center/blog-posts/timeline-trump-s-coronavirus-responses) before any public response was made. Trump rejected 200 MILLION Pfizer vaccine doses in the summer. In November, after losing the election, [he rejected an additional 100 MILLION vaccine doses](https://thehill.com/changing-america/well-being/prevention-cures/530121-trump-administration-turned-down-vaccine-doses) from Pfizer. Trump is DIRECTLY responsible for the spread of coronavirus. If he had not shut down the PREDICT program, this would not have happened. I mean, it *could* be a coincidence that we had no pandemics in the past 10 years, then the very month Trump shut down the program, a pandemic started spreading, but you'd have to be a Trump supporter to believe that.
I still remember seeing posts on Imgur about Chinese cities locking down in late 2019. Gods so much death could've been so easily avoided.
What the fuck. So if this line of reasoning is to be believed, Trump's response to news of a developing viral situation in China was to intentionally terminate the program with the direct goal of allowing the emerging illness to grow out of control in China, presumably with the goal of destabilising the country and killing Chinese citizens. He's demented enough that I can't confidently say he _wouldn't_ do something like that, but what a deranged thing for a national leader to do, and commit to continuing to do even as it kills your own citizens.
Trump is a narcissist and a moron. Imho this combination explains almost all of his apparently irrational behaviour - he cannot back down and admit he was ever wrong, and he is too stupid to understand the consequences of this will often be much worse for him.
He is the reason so many died during covid. Remember refrigerator trucks used as morgues as so many were dying. If he is elected we are a stupid nation and will deserve the destruction he will bring.
As Lindsey Graham said, more or less, "If we elect Trump, we will get destroyed...and we will deserve it."
Of course he would. Just like how this mess all started. At least if Hillary won and COVID came, the US would have more time prepare and limit the deaths.
Trump’s ineptitude (and intentional malfeasance) regarding the pandemic started the day he transitioned into the presidency and threw out Obama’s warnings / preparedness plan. Thankful to journalists, researchers, and other experts for for documenting this timeline from beginning to end because it’s damning. [Please take a moment to see how the Trump Administration sentenced hundreds of thousands of Americans to death.](https://www.justsecurity.org/69650/timeline-of-the-coronavirus-pandemic-and-u-s-response/) Source: JustSecurity
>"... I probably would [disband it], because I think we’ve learned a lot and we can mobilize, you know, we can mobilize. A lot of the things that you do and a lot of the equipment that you buy is obsolete when you get hit with something. And as far as medicines, you know, these medicines are very different depending on what strains, depending on what type of flu or virus it may be. You know, things change so much. So, yeah, I think I would.” The Dumbest man alive
Probably not the dumbest man alive, but lets say by far the dumbest man among those with even a remote chance of winning the U.S. presidency in the '24 election. Although RFK Jr. is certainly challenging Trump in this.
And then when Bird flu passes to humans, we will be in the same boat as before, and he'll be telling us to drink bleach again.
Inject*
Fucking hell this is one stupid goddamn fuck.
"I killed a million of my fellow Republicans with COVID! And, I'll do it again!"
Just in time for bird flu! Ode to joy!
First thing I thought of….
If it 1. Makes Putin happy. 2. Hurts anyone he doesn't like. 3. Makes him money. Or any combination of the above, Trump will do it. He would happily wear the constitution as a diaper and wipe his ass with the flag if it benefitted himself. He has no soul.
Trump could say he's putting all the illegal immigrants into concentration camps to be killed and his base would still support him. I'm not American but I'm watching this next election closely. There is a lot to loose.
Did I ever tell you the definition... of insanity?
This is ridiculous. Please vote the GOP out of office. They are harming all of us.
Trump is a mass murderer.
Just in time for avian flu. This is fine.
To what possible benefit? It’s so insane I can’t even wrap my head around this.
Because Democrats think it's beneficial.
My grandmother died because you did this. Unkindly fuck yourself with a poison cactus you failed condom.
Trump is beyond stupid.
Pretty perfect example of *"when you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all"*. Another common example by management: *"Hey all our computers work fine, so we don't need to keep paying all those IT guys"* then *shocked pikachu face* when everything breaks after the team gets fired
Nothing more dangerous than a complete moron with money that thinks he’s smart. Honestly, one of the stupidest humans on earth.
That’s nice. Too bad for him he’s not going to be let anywhere near the White House. He’ll be washing other inmates undies in the toilet in the Big House.
He’s a guy who breaks things. It’s what he does and it’s why chaos and division follow him everywhere he goes. He disbanded the pandemic response team from the NSC, and ended the PREDICT program which had researchers in labs all over the world, including Wuhan, and was designed to contain novel viruses before they become pandemics. He’s directly responsible for reversing decades of pandemic defense expertise and institutional knowledge. It’s not a random coincidence that we have double the covid mortality rate of Canada. It was gross negligence, ie murder.
In his interview with TIME, Trump described the office as “just a way of giving out pork.” The same guy who added $8.5T to the national debt ($3.5 Covid related which could have been less if he had not deliberately botched the response).
trump is the literal embodiment of failure. I’ll never I understand his support.
Chump would disband it because Biden created it due to to Chump's disastrous handling of COVID. Or mishandling... Or not handling...
Why would someone want this guy in charge? Why?
What a fucking moron
What the fuck is wrong with this clown?
Apparently he didn’t kill enough people last time.
I’m starting to think that this Trump guy is a fucking moron.
I mean there’s a bird flu pandemic spreading through our cattle so sounds right up the rights alley.
Sounds like he’s gloating about the deaths he’s caused
That's a very smart move. He'll get loads of dumb Americans killed, which can then be replaced by smart immigrants. Darwin likes this a lot. /s
"They bought this bullshit once, do you think they will buy it again? There's no way... Well I'll be damned." The extent of conservative strategy.
Death cult.
Covid made him look bad. So... get rid of those who would help handle it. No group, no viruses, problem solved! That's the mentality of a child and yet people STILL are worshiping him like their new golden calf.
He'd dismantle it because "we can mobilize". What the fuck does that mean, Donny? And do you recognize the reason you lost the election ultimately boils down to your abysmal handling of the pandemic? The idiot still doesn't get it.
Don’t vote for someone who can’t learn from his mistakes. Also don’t vote for someone with Narcissistic Personality Disorder and Sociopathy. Also don’t vote for a conman. Also don’t vote for a sexual predator and verifiable rapist. Also don’t vote for a wannabe dictator authoritarian. Also don’t vote for someone with 88 criminal charges. Also don’t vote for someone who incited an insurrection and tried to stop the peaceful transfer of power.
Fucking stooge
Can’t fix stupid.
He’s just appealing to the lowest common denominator now, he’s desperate, I don’t give a fuck what polls say.
Trump’s method of birth-control: Over one million Americans dead. Vote!
I want to know what he has on people that he can just do whatever he wants and never face a single actual consequence. I swear he could live stream himself killing a person in the street and somehow get more voters and never see a jail cell. But if i were to like run a red light or something stupid like that, the entire criminal justice system would dial it to 11 to punish me
You can see the cognitive decline plain as day now.
He is bent on killing as many people as he can.
The thing is that Covid was just a test run. The next virus to take hold in humans might be more virulent with 30% death rate. It is then the real disaster of the Trump administration will be revealed.
Here we go bird flu here we go
He is intentionally trying to kill poor people isn't he?
Lol with bird flu about to kick off