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CompassionateCedar

Tbh I dont understand how they think it wont backfire. Even if we ignore the culture war parts, some of the things in there would just ruin the economy. There is a point of no return in an economy where so much wealth is accumulated at the top that nothing works anymore. You need regular people spending to keep it running. Who is the major meat packer that co-wrote it? Dropping almost all quality regulations on meat for interstate commerce seems like a bad idea. The entire part about meat feels like it is designed to drive small farmers out of business and buy them out. Sure monompolies are fun for a while, and not having to pay your workers for healthcare is nice too when you can easily fire and replace them. But at some point they are going to run out or rebel.


AbcLmn18

From Russia to North Korea, dictatorships have never been particularly great for economy. They typically don't worry about any of this. Like, what are you gonna do? Vote them out? Rebel against the US armed forces?


YakiVegas

Yeah, everyone who's ever played any version of Civilization knows you only switch to Dictatorship or Fascism or Theocracy when it's time fore all out war. Wait...


SexJayNine

With despotism, you rule with an iron fist. >Ok, sounds good.


Menkau-re

No, but the servicemembers in the armed forces for the most part live in the same country as everyone else does, too. And even if they themselves are paid adequately, many of the other consequences will still trickle out and filter around and even if they're okay, they still have family and friends who are regular people, too. The point is, the military is just made up of regular people like everybody else. Eventually they too will have the same issues as everyone in one shape or another and the people at the top won't be able to hide behind them forever.


BilboSmashins

You’re are absolutely right and make a valid point; service members are in fact *normal* people. We do have lives, we do have families, and spoiler alert: quite frankly some of us do get off on democracy. We are sworn to defend and protect the United States from all enemies foreign and **domestic**; that includes the top, that *think* they are going to do that to the American people and get away with it; essentially attempt to mimick Russia. Our military branches have some of the finest, hardworking, and intelligent individuals on the planet that take their jobs incredibly serious and really enjoy it(most at least aside from burning literal shit in barrels). What I’m getting at is, we’re not a bunch of drunks(lol) in equipment from the 60’s(more modernized and with most of our brain cells). I would imagine there would be defectors and rebel scum, but I’m confident they would be easily out numbered. It would be similar to the French Revolution, but with bigger guns and more pissed off citizens. Edit: thank you for the award, kind stranger!


One-Step2764

Defining half the population as untermenschen and then pillaging them can generate enough spoils to make "eventually" a painfully long span.


superstarmagic

Well the US has already been doing this for hundreds of years, so maybe this means it's actually coming to an end.


Menkau-re

Oh, I don't disagree with you. I'm definitely NOT trying to advocate for this particular path, lol.


robot_jeans

Historically, unfortunately the Armed Forces and Police always fall in line under dictatorships. I imagine Mike Flynn already has a plan to stack the military leadership with Trump loyalists.


RedofPaw

Which is why the military have overthrown the Kim family, and Putin....


Menkau-re

Different countries, different cultures, different histories and different peoples. You can't always make 1 : 1 comparisons. Not to mention it actually almost happened to Putin. And may yet...


RedofPaw

There are simply no guarantees that a military will eventually get 'fed up' of an oppressive government and 'save' the people.


AnOnlineHandle

Over the decades, I've seen people assure themselves that fascism can't be a problem because it will solve itself by some story they dream up. The same people promised that Republicans would never undo abortion rights, for example.


RedofPaw

[I'm reminded of this comic.](https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSnaqNXDem1N7hDYbR-_PL2WMrngl_VhVbqog&s) There is always a lower point. There is always a way things can get worse. Even in Syria there are people living lives and selling food. Even in Somalia there is someone getting married, or playing a sport. Even if it's just some kids kicking a ball around in ruins. There's no bottom of the barrel. No threshold where people inevitably say "You know what... maybe this was a bad idea". Everyone has to constantly struggle to ensure that society doesn't crumble around us. Because if we don't vote, organise, protest and resist tyranny then a psychopath will come along and take advantage - and EVEN THEN there is often nothing that can be done. It's too late. Hong Kong had massive protests, but they were crushed. The only option left was to get out. And while there's friendly countries for those from Hong Kong to leave to that's not inevitable either. Refugees are leaving troubled countries all over the world, and they are rarely welcomed with open arms and without resistance. That's why the facists want you to believe that 'both sides' are just as bad and that all politicians are corrupt. Because complacency lets them in.


Menkau-re

Nothing is guaranteed. This is just one possible outcome. But it's possible all the same. And if civil upheaval actually were to occur in this country at that level I absolutely guarantee that not 100% of the military would fight in favor of the then fascist regime. Of that much I am certain. You start ordering troops into civilian areas on U.S. soil, ordering them to wipe out many of their own family and friends and you're gonna start having problems at that point.


superstarmagic

Again, the US is a different culture. It's very likely US service members will not stand for this Project 2025 shit and if things got bad their foreign moles no doubt pushing Project 2025 because it will destabilize the nation will go byeee byeeee.


RogerEpsilonDelta

To add to this, the military also has family and friends that most likely aren’t military members themselves. The military members seeing their friends and family directly impacted will make a big difference in how they feel and how they are willing to act.


the_other_OTZ

Millions of everyday Germans served in the branches of the Wehrmacht. It worked out well for those at the top almost up to the very end. The point is, it's easy to cajole people into doing things that would normally be against their better judgement, not in their best interest, let alone detrimental to their own existence. Very easy to do all of that. Americans would be no different, which is why this election could be the last one in US history.


following_eyes

US military is paid shit for the amount of hours required. The extra allowances take the edge off but even with all that I made sub minimum wage during a deployment if I ran the amount of hours I was working.


seattleseahawks2014

Armed forces will be pissed at him. Also, who do you think provides stuff for rich people like Trump and other politicians or even materials for the army? Places like my dad's shop will go out of business and they won't have anyone to make plastic parts for the military and other businesses. Also, they provide plastic parts for medical supplies and Mr. Trump can't go to a doctor in most first world countries because he's a felon so he might be sol. Same deal if there's a shortage of medical professionals. The list goes on and on.


TheGOODSh-tCo

Part of P2025 is massive cuts to military like cutting BAH. As a former military member, this is something we should be talking about.


seattleseahawks2014

Oh shit, you're right. Yea, there's going to be people willing to go along with this. However, this will still screw the Republicans over even the ones in office. We should be scared because he was willing to execute inmates because he made promises to their victims families and even Trump agreed that he should've probably waited. https://apnews.com/article/trump-executions-biden-death-penalty-brandon-bernard-c1b26807c5c40b337d14485c3d6df2de


peopleplanetprofit

Romanian dictator Ceausescu has entered the chat.


nemspy

Yeah but you get those little lock things that you put a coin inside to take a shopping cart at the supermarket!


Illustrious-Ad7420

The thing people aren’t taking into consideration is a large majority of marines are from Mexico and do not support far right policies. The other majority hold more liberal ideologies and will not stand for terrorists or tyrannical governments on American soil… Personally I’d rather die standing up for what I believe in than lay down and admit defeat before we’ve tried and still die at the hands of our oppressors. That being said I believe if we address some of the partisan divide we may be able to fix this before bloodshed happens. 


Syncopia

Abolishing the public education system is one that I think people don't talk about as much. It would completely destroy the economy in a matter of years. We'd have a national level brain drain.


CompassionateCedar

Tbh that has been going on for years. Started decades ago, and the US reached a point where over 100 countries have a higher literacy level. It’s costing the US economy trillions a year. And they just want to make it worse.


Carbonatite

I think we would have an extreme brain *transfer*. Brain drain from red states - educated professionals are more likely to want their kids to learn about evolution and learn the shit they need to for having a chance to apply to good universities. Blue states will probably maintain as robust of a public education system as they can, and that's where people will flock. Ditto for R&D. Publicly funded universities put out a lot of good science and technology, and corporations will happily pay for the Lockheed Martin Mechanical Engineering Research Building if it means the best and brightest are there to work on technology they can exploit. If federal funding for public universities stops, corporate donations will be channeled to the universities in states that still fund their institutions with state taxes. So basically, Alabama will be fucked because NASA and all the aerospace companies won't want anyone in Huntsville when the state public schools are teaching weird religious shit instead of calculus. There will be no in-state students at colleges who have the background to succeed in STEM and nobody with an advanced degree is going to want to raise their kids in Redneck Gilead, NASA be damned. But California will do great because Berkeley will get a boost of money and smart people fleeing the educational wastelands of conservative America.


Syncopia

This would give them more electoral votes, sadly. But I like the idea in principle.


Spare_Respond_2470

Or it will lead to massive forced labor


ffff2e7df01a4f889

Banana Republics have been a thing for a long time. It’s naive to assume that concentrated wealth with a vast impoverished underclass of people couldn’t exist. Literally, like half the planet lives like that… why would the US be any different?


CompassionateCedar

Their economy works like that because it is heavily dependent on the export of agricultural goods to wealthier nations and they can sustain their population without too many imports. That is a big shift if the US would want to do that


ffff2e7df01a4f889

I think the US would eventually just have a lot of very poor people working service jobs for wealthy people. Essentially turning the entire economy into a gig economy.


CompassionateCedar

How many doordashers do you need when only 1% of the population can afford it. Certain stores would close because their clients just dont exist anymore, leading to less jobs. Its the same as when a big employer in a small town shuts down, not only do their employees lose their job and ability to spend, the hairdresser, local pub, etc also notice this as there just is less money being spend, those then can’t spend as much either,... Sure, it is possible to end up with a large amount of pseudo slaves, but before you get there a lot of people are going to default on loans, businesses will go bancrupt and economic instability will be a thing for a while. Also with 10% import tax on everything and 300% from china any manufaturing that doesnt produce for the purely domestic market will move their prodution to mexico. Instead of paying 10 or even 300% more for their supplies moving to mexico just means they can have their customers pay the 10% tarrif when importing i to the US. And can still export to the rest of the world at a cost no american company can compete with. So it is not at all going to make the US more competitive and reduce the trade deficit.


ffff2e7df01a4f889

Maybe you’re right. But the economy rarely ever stops an authoritarian from being an authoritarian. My point is that societies do reorganize. Hungary is a modern example of an authoritarian state. They’re oppressive, sure. But they function. My only point about Banana Republics is that, economics won’t be a barrier. Not if the propaganda is good enough.


Chainedheat

You have to look at the funding for these groups. A lot of it comes from big corporate donors and wealthy business foundations. The overwhelming theme aside from Christian nationalism is giving many of the government functions over to industry under the pretext of efficiency. This has been a republican theme for years. I personally am not a fan of over regulation, but the vast majority of US regs are born out of experience, not theory. The Boeing debacle is a great example of a case where regulators were pushed back to a point where a mature company was allowed to largely “self regulate” which led to cost efficiency over safety. We can all see how that worked out. What a lot of people don’t understand is that many of these regs make our products more competitive because we have standards. If we were to go the route where we had no to low standards like China or India, then we would see our economy tank. Hard. We simply cannot compete with the labor costs of these emerging markets. DJT proposes we could counter that with import tariffs, but that would effectively create inflation impacting all but the wealthiest individuals. Any sane economist looking at this plan already thinks it would set us back by decades. I get the strong feeling that proj 2025 is a glued together wishlist representing the request of its donors by people who have complete fealty to their king DJT. That’s what makes this thing so damn dangerous.


73ld4

Pete Ricketts probably loves it then.


TruthHurtsYouBadly13

They dont care about the economy. They just want to lock up everyone who disagrees.


No_Passage6082

They don't care about the economy. These people want to cash in and then sign off. They don't care how many people they kill in the process.


microsoftmaps

Tackling climate change would *also* benefit the economy in the long run. But they can't think past next quarter and more more more.


isthisgaslighting

Not to mention some of the biggest meatpacking companies (ie Smithfield) is Chinese owned


Sharp_Common_4837

Also banning porn they will never win again LMAO


Carbonatite

>Who is the major meat packer that co-wrote it? It's like Patreon accounts for YouTube. If you donate an amount above a certain threshold you get to contribute to the content. Except instead of having your username get a shout out on YouTube, you get to destroy free democracy and public well being in your own special way.


KingKudzu117

As crazy as it sounds this is the path they have committed to and this is how they are going to do it in the fall https://hartmannreport.com/p/the-new-over-the-top-secret-plan-518


AprimeAisI

What is the obsession with no fault divorce. I saw that as part of the project 2025 agenda.


Capital_Cucumber_680

Without no fault divorce I couldn’t have left a dv situation in the mid 80s.


Awkward_Passenger328

Or the 70s.


Born_Sleep5216

Or the 90s


Carbonatite

Friendly reminder to all that marital rape wasn't illegal in all 50 states until the 1990s.


OneMustAdjust

That's not cause for divorce? Genuinely curious and it's ok if you don't want to share


Capital_Cucumber_680

It was almost impossible for women to prove dv


Dogdays991

Is "domestic violence" such a commonplace phrase now that its abbreviated?


Ariadnepyanfar

It is when paired in the same paragraph as ‘divorce’.


GaTechThomas

Thank you. I had no idea what was being said.


I_Am_Robert_Paulson1

I was on the staff of a leadership training program back in my late teens. I don't recall much about the program, but during one of the training sessions we did prior to putting on the program, one of the adult leaders made the point that you shouldn't use abbreviations without defining them unless they're absolutely ubiquitous, and even then, you should define them at least once.


GaTechThomas

Same learning here.


IsThisThingOn69lol

A combination of that and places like youtube looking for anything remotely negative. So instead of suicide, people "unalive themselves." Sex, guns, etc. These words are censored because the video will be taken down if not. We get a new mass shooting every day but DONT SAY THE G-WORD! There are a few funny ones. Like calling Trump a .pdf since pdf file sounds so close. Got a chuckle out of that big twitch guy doctor something getting exposed for being a pedo. Someone said he went from .doc to .pdf


TheRealSugarbat

Sadly, yes.


DaemonDesiree

No, it’s to get past censorship bots usually on TikTok


OneMustAdjust

Yeah that was for sure a different time, I like to hope things have gotten better (for you specifically and for women in general) but as a guy I have no idea. Even if there is clear evidence, having to go through that court battle with muckraking lawyers sounds like a nightmare. Hope you're in a better place now


Capital_Cucumber_680

Thankfully I was very fortunate and became much stronger through the years. My fear is this is where women will be taken back to and it’s happening very quickly


superstarmagic

Since trump was elected the culture shifted making the world a more unsafe place for women. Not that it was safe before. But, when you elect a rapist for POTUS you basically tell the men of that country, "Do whatever you want, we don't care about women." Sure enough, while dumpy was fucking POTUS I got harassed more, men were often bigger pieces of shit because they felt emboldened to be, men tried to rape more, etc. That is men as a whole, as in including the "exceptions" who claim to rape and harass less or not at all. If the GOP get what they want, they'll be reminded what women had to resort to back then to leave marriages the law wouldn't let them escape and they're gonna take the bastards down with them. Again.


draculthemad

Fault isn't the same thing as "cause", in a legal sense. In this case a divorce not being "no fault", means that the a court has to determine and assign blame for breaching the "marital contract". That lets an abuser demand a higher standard of proof, and present arguments to justify their actions or in accordance with said "marriage contract". IE, they can argue it was "provoked". If they can convince a judge they aren't at fault or that *both* sides are at fault, the judge will then *deny the divorce*.


Tearsonbluedustjckt

That often can be a dangerous situation for the reporter imho. Better to make a clean break without having to go through legal hoops to prove it.


sg92i

Its a cause, but you have to find a family court judge who is willing to accept the arguments. In the pre-no fault divorce era, a lot of the family court judges out there were biased against women filers. With no fault, you don't have to convince a (potentially biased) judge that you "deserve" it. So its cheaper, easier, faster, and less risky to have no fault as an option even if there's a clear cut documented cause.


lateformyfuneral

When a [video was leaked of Steven Crowder berating his wife](https://youtu.be/FZFQr_BzCEc?si=NU7nkR3F_jPJEEgR), he revealed they were getting divorced and it was the law’s fault because she has the right to simply walk out of the marriage. Their POV is a woman should have to go to court and prove something was wrong to get permission to leave if the man refuses.


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notjustanotherbot

"Render therefore unto Caesar the things which are Caesar's, and unto God the things that are God's"


Particular_Pin_5040

Not coincidentally, Trump rolled back the definition of domestic violence. [https://www.salon.com/2019/01/23/trump-administration-quietly-changes-definition-of-domestic-violence-and-sexual-assault/](https://www.salon.com/2019/01/23/trump-administration-quietly-changes-definition-of-domestic-violence-and-sexual-assault/)


FunnyGuy2481

Why would anyone want to stay married to someone who doesn't want to be with them? That's so odd. How awkward would it be to live the rest of your life married to someone who was legally forced to remain with you.


GandalfSkywalker83

It’s about money. If people can leave under “no fault” rules, then they can get alimony and child support and other assets, unless there was a prenup. If abusers can force people to say, then they can keep their money and assets.


FunnyGuy2481

Weird


jedberg

There's a reason they also want to make marital rape legal again. If she can't get divorced and he can have sex whenever he wants, then that is why they would want to stay married.


FunnyGuy2481

I pride myself on being able to see both sides of most viewpoints but this one is baffling. My body would literally not work if my partner was not enjoying or willingly participating in sex.


jedberg

For those of us who believe in consent, yes. But if you only see women as property for one's own pleasure, her desire isn't really a factor.


Iscrollforlinks

i just do t understand why anyone would want to be with someone who doesn’t want them. all i can think is desperation.


Possible_Eagle330

Have you noticed that housing for 1 person requires salaries of 2 people in 2024? Recipe for abuse, keeping victims locked in perpetuity lest they become (or s/“choose to be”) homeless.


bedbathandbebored

They want women to only be able to divorce if they can PRove abuse. No other reason. No fault divorce means one is unhappy and wants to leave.


forprojectsetc

The Christian right views women as chattel and they want policy that enforces that. It’s really all there is to it.


Hay_Fever_at_3_AM

They will chip away at *everyone's* rights, slowly but surely, except for those *exceptional* individuals of the upper class. It's just not the same rights being taken away for the same people at the same time. That means *we're* fighting dozens of different battles all at the same time while to them it's all part of the same plan.


DM_TO_TRADE_HIPBONES

plus the more rights they chip away now the more time liberals with have to spend working to get them back. the libs spending time fighting for abortion is less time spent raising taxes


Capital_Cucumber_680

I am 74 yo and experienced when women were not allowed to have their own bank accounts or credit cards. Women were definitely chattel and had no resources for leaving dv situations or to attain personal autonomy.


TheGOODSh-tCo

Handmaids Tale they say….we aren’t even going back to Mad Men era. I’m 45 and disgusted that we lost RvW. Your generation was the one that made massive changes. I can’t imagine how you must feel after fighting once. (I’m also mad I’m middle aged for this crap. I have to find the energy to exist, day to day, and fight this and teach my 20 year olds to pay the f attention!!!)


Capital_Cucumber_680

I’m actually in a state of shock seeing so many advancements being obliterated. Most people cannot fathom how bad it used to be for women and minorities. At least back then I was afforded an excellent public education, which is also being destroyed.


Federal-Series-3468

It's never good enough for Christians to say "I don't like divorce, so I just won't get one." They just aren't happy until they take away someone elses freedoms: "I don't like divorce, so YOU can't get one!"


Familiar_Upstairs296

Except Trump. He can get 2 without consequences.


AllTheyEatIsLettuce

Economic control over adult women and children.


BgSwtyDnkyBlls420

It all began when Steven Crowder’s pregnant wife publicly released a video of him verbally abusing her, and then filed for divorce. He said that he believed she “shouldn’t be allowed to do that”, and enough of his listeners agreed that it has basically become part of The Republican Party’s Agenda.


aLittleQueer

Republicans: We only want women to be able to divorce if they can *prove* they're being abused. Oh no, not like that!


NateHate

You see, they don't think what he did counts as abuse


HerbertWest

Confused by that one. She would be able to leave without no fault divorce, too, though?


bazbloom

In the absence of no-fault, she would have to prove sufficient grounds. You'd think the video would be sufficient, but any evidence could be contested and perhaps even thrown out depending on mitigating circumstances (whatever his defense could throw at it). So no, depending on which judge it ended up in front of, it is not a given that divorce would be granted.


query_tech_sec

It's not explicitly laid out in the Project 2025 plan. Their plan is to basically do everything possible to make life difficult for single mothers - and it's implied that "married fathers" will have default child custody if they what it. Also child support payments will be tax deductible. So honestly - I don't think these people want no fault divorce to end - they just want to make life difficult for unmarried women. But the Republicans are definitely coming for no-fault divorce separate from this - just Google it.


AprimeAisI

Thanks! I’m starting to think I might have bad info for the premise of my comment.


query_tech_sec

I actually read it, lol. That's the only reason I know.


AprimeAisI

I tried to read it, but I’m sick in bed with a cold and on a phone it’s just nauseating.


Extinction-Entity

Hope you feel better soon! I know it sounds silly but try to stay hydrated! It’ll help :)


Carbonatite

>they just want to make life difficult for unmarried women Yes, you hit the nail on the head. A lot of this shit is basically about whittling away women's options to force them into traditional subservient heteronormative roles. They can't just come out and force women to be married broodmares and homemakers with no legal recourse to escape - but they can eliminate enough options so that women effectively have no other choice.


query_tech_sec

Yes - exactly. Everything in their project is designed to shape every aspect of society into a patriarchal Christian Theocracy. Policy will be ahped towards that end. They believe that women should be the silent submissive help mates of Christian men.


Carbonatite

What they never seem to bank on is how much women **don't want** to go back to that. They vastly underestimate how strongly women will fight to maintain social and legal rights now that we've had a taste of them. Women would rather just be single for life than deal with that, that's a current and easily observable phenomenon. The fact that so many women divorce even though they are statistically likely to risk poverty by doing so proves that many women will escape even if it causes them financial or social harm. A trapped animal will chew off its own leg to escape. These policies won't give them the pliant submissive housewife of their dreams. It will give them a reduced dating pool (women would rather be single if that's the only other option) and (unfortunately) a lot of dead people. In addition to the antiquated trope of abusive husbands mysteriously dying near hog farms, we must remember that women's suicide rates fell sharply when no fault divorce was legalized. Conservatives underestimate the number of women who would literally rather be dead than stuck in a marriage with someone with their values.


query_tech_sec

Women *don't* want to go back. But so many women are in denial over what is actually going on.


jedberg

> Also child support payments will be tax deductible I'm assuming they mean shifting the tax burden from the person who is paying to the person who is receiving? Which means in most cases shifting the burden from the man to the woman? That wouldn't be so bad if they bumped the payments up to make up for it, but you know they won't.


Kooky_Year3617

It’s the Christian right’s attempt to bring back the sanctity of marriage in America. They just don’t realize that it shouldn’t be law. America the land of the free. Where people should be allowed to be the way they wish and not be ostracized for it. It’s a much more complex issue than people want to admit. American popular culture has killed common decency in many ways. More people (no matter sex, gender, sexuality, etc.) now then in the past look at marriage as something easily broken. Divorce statistics show us this. That’s your right individually. Find someone that aligns with your beliefs. Court them. Take your time getting to know them. When the trust is there pull the trigger. It’s up to opinion what is better than the other but the right to choose should always be there in America.


Verick808

Low self-esteem men worried their wives will leave them on one side and traditional alpha-male wannabes on the other side don't like the idea of their property being able to walk away from them on the other side.


Spicy_Alligator_25

They're the same thing mate


notjustanotherbot

Yea, that venn diagram is a circle friend


Carbonatite

"They're the same picture."


notjustanotherbot

Looking at that painting would hurt my soul!


mezolithico

Cause it doesn't allow men to be abusive and controlling. Women can't leave the marriage. At fault divorce is much harder as you have to prove to the court your reason (which is absurd).


Traditional-Yam9826

They want to eliminate divorce, as in basically outlaw it. They also want to make contraceptives illegal. I’m sure they’ll implement some sort of forced marriage agenda as well and if your LGTB+, I’m very concerned for you


Syncopia

It's a few things: Christian evangelicals who don't believe in divorce at all. Misogynists who believe women shouldn't have the right to make such a decision. Many of them also believe they shouldn't be allowed to vote, work, serve in the military, or have a bank account. Shitty husbands who think like incels and want to chain their wives to them instead of earning their love and respect by being decent human beings. And of course, these all overlap pretty cleanly.


Carbonatite

The venn diagram isn't *quite* a circle but if you squint a little it looks just like one.


prodigalpariah

They want women as submissive breeding slaves who can’t leave abusive relationships under any circumstances


Ariadnepyanfar

No Fault Divorce is a deeply atheist idea. Marriage being an irrevocable covenant with God is the traditional/conservative ideal.


ValuableKill

Lmfao, but marriage existed long before the old testament and on top of that the concept of marriage developed independently across different groups of humans (for example the aboriginal people were completely isolated, and like other separate groups of humans, developed a form of marriage on their own). Christians/Jews can't just co-opt the concept of marriage and then try to claim the right to determine how it's supposed to work for everyone else. Here's a 4,000 year old marriage contract from ancient Egypt. If you want an ancient example of one: https://www.iflscience.com/assyrian-tablet-reveals-the-ancient-world-of-sex-marriage-surrogacy-and-infertility-44699


Kitosaki

There’s literally no reason to support fault in a divorce. It’s absolutely not like launching a nuke, there’s no multi key system that needs 3 people to open. If one dude or gal is unhappy and wants out - they should be able to leave. I think the real thing is alimony and child support; men tend to get the raw end of the deal and lose larger financial assets (house, car, retirement accounts, etc) but have better jobs to recover from those losses than their spouses. I think the worst part of divorce is parenting children. If I only got to see my kids one weekend a month I don’t know how I could manage that, mentally.


MemeFarmer314

It’s all about being able to have control. About putting the people who’ve always been in charge back on top. A woman who can’t get a divorce has a hard time escaping an abusive husband. If he gets her pregnant, she won’t be able to get an abortion. She’ll probably have to leave work to take care of the child, which means that now her only source of income comes from the husband she can’t leave. Same thing with their obsession with imposing religion and harming gay and trans people. They want to encourage a religious culture where you don’t question your religious leaders (most of whom are men), and follow all their rules. Gay and trans people fly in the face of those gender rules they want to enforce, so they have to crack down on them to make sure everybody fits into their societal mold.


katieleehaw

They want to make sure that if women are able to get a divorce, it will be harder for them to get alimony.


AprimeAisI

Jabs at the Christian right aside, what is their actual argument? I’m trying (in good faith) to understand why they would have an issue with NFD.


bylebog

There's no serious argument against no-fault divorce.


Niznack

They want a nation based on biblical principles because they believe the problems in America are because God is angry at our rejection of Christianity and acceptance of modern values. NFD is seen as a hallmark of the modern woman and women's liberation. They hate this and want to enforce biblical ideals onto these families. Please don't try to understand this in good faith as it assumes they operate in good faith either in accordance with modern values or the Bible. They don't follow either. They hate what they hate and God must hate that too and the nation will be fixed if the people God and them hate are gone. Edit wrong principal. Same point


m0ngoos3

The serious answer is they view their wives as property, and see no fault divorce as "the leftist feminists poisoning the minds of their wives". That's the long and short answer. You might get other nonsense depending on who you ask, but that's the real answer every time. One I'd heard is "marage is a committment and you can't just quit". But it was from an abuser who was pissed that his wife had a restraining order against him.


Taco_Champ

They don’t want women to have permission to leave. Is it not obvious?


AprimeAisI

I think you are missing the point of what I am asking.


theCroc

Insecure men who don't think they can keep a wife around for long without force.


otisandme

It has already existed for a long time, but not every state has it. It’s not a new concept 


Infidel8

At the end of the day, Trump is just a trojan horse for white nationalists and other assorted flavors of extremist bigots. When they get that Schedule F plan into plan, everyone in the government will be Steve Bannon.


TrixnTim

God, Trojan Horse is a perfect descriptor of what he is.


onefourthfran

more like Trojan Diaper


bwood3217

Being terrified actually isn't helpful. Being angry and ready to fight back is much better. Do not be fearful. If it ain't Trump and this election, it'll be the next election, it'll be continued heat waves and climate change. We need to get tough and stand ready to fight back. not be afraid. Courage friends.


SYLOK_THEAROUSED

https://youtu.be/QWgYAuPheTQ?si=1a10bLHJkYzcc7vx Taraji spoke about it publicly at the BET Awards last week which helped spread the word. I’ve known about for a while now and have told my friends about it but I swear I don’t think I’ve seen a predominant black person speak up About it on such a public platform. Especially since you have a few rappers that are simping for trump. As much as I hate Sexy Red’s music she publicly stated a while back that trump is pretty good all because of that check he sent out that he fought so hard to have his name on it.


anti_hope_dealer

It's not fear mongering. we already see the fruits of this supreme court. Abortion. Chevron. Immunity. And now you have an inspired Oklahoma and Louisiana actively trying to dissolve separations of church and state. These are people who will go the distance to try to dominate your life. They believe they are divinely elected to be, more or less, the masters of your future. No. It's not fear mongering to spread the truth about what they are and what they want. These lunatics want a stranglehold on your life down to the 'jot and tittle.'


TopDeckHero420

New Orleans is a city, not a state, not even the capitol - it's Baton Rouge. You mean Louisiana. Not being mean, just correcting! And yes, Jeff Landry is a disaster.


anti_hope_dealer

good catch. correction made


Married_iguanas

Yeah New Orleans is the drop of blue sanity in the rest of this backwards state


TopDeckHero420

What, you don't think surgical castration is a good thing? [https://apnews.com/article/louisiana-castration-sex-crimes-dc6763a2b6a144cf05d92174df032a63](https://apnews.com/article/louisiana-castration-sex-crimes-dc6763a2b6a144cf05d92174df032a63)


cates

I'm from Louisiana and I had to have a talk with my son earlier about seeing the ten commandments in schools...


SilverImmediate3147

The president, Kevin Roberts, wants to increase kids families have. I'm sure they assume reducing divorce will further this, which is insane. He wants the US to be a non-Democracy like Hungary: the most corrupt and poor in the EU with a ton of people LEAVING due to lack of freedom and facism. Hungary and Russia have had yhe dame population for the last 40 years because no one wants to live there if they dont have to. We're going to be stuck with dumb white supremacists that can't fulfill job needs because all the smart people left


BigMike31101

Republicans* He’s not the only one involved in it. Your vote matters in every election, at every level. Do your due diligence when casting your vote.


RepublicOfFlexas

There are far smarter, devious types behind the scenes that use the simpleton Trump as a puppet. Stroke his ego and strip woman's reproductive rights.


spa22lurk

Trump knows what his base really wants, and he is eager to satisfy them. People wonder: trump reneged on virtually all his major promises why did he get even more votes in 2020 than he did in 2016. The truth is that trump was very faithful in delivering one area of his promise - the discriminatory policies, like banning Muslim (day one), family separation, nominating all the right wing judges who went on to overturn women rights and civil rights and allow integration of government and Christian fundamentalism, banning transgenders in military, pardoning racist murderer in the military who murders Iraqi children in cold blood, revoking title IX policy to protect sexual assault victims in school, broadening ice authority to capture and deport undocumented people who have been living in the US for years, changing census to not count some residents, cutting back on civil right enforcement in DOJ, planned parenthood, legal aids, building border walls etc. He approved all sort of people who gained fame because of their racist or sexist actions. Yes trump reneged on things like replacing ACA with something better and cheaper, reducing deficits, improving infrastructure, etc. Those are not what his base truly want or are not high enough priority for his base. They were said to deceive moderates and democrats, to convince them to vote for him or to stay home. Look at his cabinet and his close circle. The ones who were out were mostly people who were unwilling to go as cruel and as corrupt as he wants, or the ones who reveal his involvement in the criminal or immoral schemes. The ones who stay are those who are cruel and take the heat for his cruelty or corruption. I ask people to look at the one person who stood out in his first presidency. He is Stephen Miller. He was the architect of Trump immigration policies in his presidency. He pushed through all policies like children separation, Muslim bans, etc. He stayed in Trump close circle throughout his first term and he will be even more powerful if trump is elected again. He is one of the authors in project 2025. Whatever Miller wants, Trump will adopt. This is because Trump's base want the cruelty. Trump wants the cruelty. It's his path to stay in power. The lesson he learned in his first presidency is that he wasn't cruel enough.


Grandmaster_Autistic

The Project 2025 document includes several proposals related to limiting the influence and activities of labor unions. Here are the key points: 1. **Rescind the Persuader Rule**: The document advocates for rescinding the "persuader rule," which was an Obama Administration directive requiring lawyers and consultants advising employers about union issues to file disclosure forms. This rule was previously rescinded by the Trump Administration and is recommended to be rescinded again if revived by the Biden Administration. The rule's removal would reduce transparency regarding anti-union activities by employers. 2. **Card Check vs. Secret Ballot**: The document criticizes the "card check" procedure under the National Labor Relations Act (NLRA), where a union can collect signed pro-union cards from a majority of employees to seek union recognition without a secret ballot election. The document argues that this procedure can lead to coercion and does not reflect true employee preferences. It calls for discarding the card check in favor of secret ballot elections to ensure fairer unionization processes. 3. **10(j) Injunctive Relief**: While acknowledging the importance of temporary injunctions to reinstate workers engaged in concerted activity who were wrongfully terminated, the document suggests increasing the use of such injunctions to provide meaningful remedies and deter unfair labor practices. 4. **Dues-Funded Worker Centers**: The document notes that worker centers, which have grown significantly in number and influence, are not required to file financial disclosures like labor unions. It proposes that the Department of Labor (DOL) investigate these worker centers and enforce financial disclosure requirements to prevent potential fraud and corruption. These proposals aim to reduce the influence of labor unions and increase oversight and regulation of union-related activities. There are 312 mentions of "Trump" in the mandate. Many of these mentions are direct associations. This post is a list of those associations; Jonathon Berry- Chief Counsel for the Trump transition team. Author of the Mandate Adam Candeub- Acting Secretary of Commerce, Deputy Associate Attorney General at the Trump DOJ. Author of the Mandate Ken Cuccinelli- Acting Director of US Citizenship and Immigration Services, Acting Deputy Secretary of Homeland Security for the Trump administration. Author of the Mandate. Rick Dearborn- Deputy chief of staff in charge of 5 departments of the Executive Office of President Trump. Also on the 2016 Trump transition team. Author of the Mandate. Thomas Gilman- Assistant Secretary of Commerce and CFO of the US Department of Commerce in the Trump administration. Author of the Mandate Mandy Gunasekara- Chief of Staff at the US EPA, Principal Deputy Assistant Office of Air and Radiation in the Trump administration. Author of the Mandate Dennis Kirk- Senior positions in Office of Personnel Management during the Trump administration, nominated directly by Trump to be Chairman of the Merit Systems Protection Board. Author of the Mandate Christopher Miller- Acting US Secretary of Defense, Director of National Counterterrorism, Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense for Special Operations and Combatting Terrorism. Senior Director for Counterterrorism and Transnational Threats at the National Security Council. All at the Trump administration. Author of the Mandate Mora Namdar- Senior Advisor at the US State Department appointed by Trump at Consular Affairs. Vice President of Legal, Compliance, and Risk at the US Agency for Global Media. Author of the Mandate Peter Navarro- Trade czar, Director Office of Trade and Manufacturing, Defense Production act coordinator, Author of the Mandate William Pendleton- Leader of the BLM. Author of the Mandate Brooks Tucker- Trump transition team, Senior Policy Dvisor for National Security and Veteran's Affairs. Author of the Mandate Hans Spakovsky- Trump's Advisory Commission on Election Integrity. Author of the Mandate Russ Vought- Cabinet position as Director of Office and Management and Budget at the Trump administration. Author of the Mandate William Walton- Trump transition team, Agency Action Leader for all federal economic agencies. Author of the Mandate Paul Winfree- Trump transition team. Deputy assistant to the President, Deputy Director of Domestic Policy Council, and Director of Budget Policy. Author of the Mandate Paul Dans- Trump administration Chief of Staff at US Office of Personnel Management. Senior Advisor, US Department of Housing and Urban Development. Editor of the Mandate Steven Groves- served in the Trump administration as Chief of Staff to Ambasador, Assistand Special Counsel. White House Deputy Press Secretary. Editor of the Mandate https://www.reddit.com/r/politicus/s/hT4F2iUcF4 https://www.project2025.org/


Suspicious-Spare1179

Im not terrified im angry and motivated to vote and donate to President Biden


BenzotheWicked

vote blue if you still want to be FREE and not living under a dictatorship


combustioncat

They are banking on it all being too late before the general public wake up to the danger. Once they get power it is game over, they don’t give a fuck beyond that point they will just do whatever they want. Overnight America will turn into the Christian version of Iran, in exactly the same way that old-Iran turned into modern Iran almost overnight. Republicans have absolutely played a bait and switch game with their followers; most of their voters have zero idea of any of this and large numbers would hate it.


IMSLI

John Oliver covered Project 2025 in a recent episode: “Trump’s Second Term” https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=gYwqpx6lp_s&pp=ygUdSm9obiBvbGl2ZXIgdHJ1bXAgc2Vjb25kIHRlcm0%3D


CaptainIncredible

as far as I am aware, the pp in the query string is simply a tracker, to track you. You can edit it out to https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=gYwqpx6lp_s and it works the same, except no tracking.


Lux_novus

Good to know that taking off the pp is safe, thanks for the info!


TrumpsStarFish

Lmao 😂


Tyler3781

Vote Blue to make sure this doesn’t happen


No_nukes_at_all

This needs to be the main topic of the next TV debates,


Grandmaster_Autistic

**Convicted Felon Donald Trump raped 13-year-old Katie Johnson in 1994.** (and Ivanka was the same age that year) [Johnson's video testimony](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gnib-OORRRo) [working archive link is [here](https://web.archive.org/web/20230502033641/https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gnib-OORRRo) and the old link that is now private is [here](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rbFJWo3gdRI)] [Trump Epstein Rape Lawsuit & Sworn Affidavit](https://www.politico.com/f/?id=00000158-26b6-dda3-afd8-b6fe46f40000) pdf [Johnson v. Trump & Epstein](https://www.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.cacd.646485.1.0.pdf) pdf [The case was... *'mysteriously' dropped* ^(because she was getting death threats). How convenient.](https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/nov/04/donald-trump-teenage-rape-accusations-lawsuit-dropped) [Trump Teen Rape Allegation Resurfaces, Ronan Farrow Claims National Enquirer Tried to Protect Him in New Book](https://www.newsweek.com/trump-teen-rape-allegation-national-enquirer-ronan-farrow-jane-doe-1465652) [A Woman Claimed She Recruited a 13-Year-Old Girl for Donald Trump and Jeffrey Epstein to Rape](https://web.archive.org/web/20220331023500/https://www.deepsouthvoice.com/index.php/2019/07/07/a-woman-claimed-she-recruited-a-13-year-old-girl-for-donald-trump-and-jeffrey-epstein-to-rape) [Snopes article on the Johnson case](https://www.snopes.com/news/2016/06/23/donald-trump-rape-lawsuit/) --- [New information emerges in "Maria" Trump story](https://www.justice-integrity.org/1456-new-information-emerges-in-maria-story) [Donald Trump has been making disturbing comments about young girls for ~~years~~ decades](https://www.vox.com/identities/2016/10/18/13282192/trump-young-girls-10-year-old-teens-sexual-comments) [Donald Trump sexual misconduct allegations on Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Trump_sexual_misconduct_allegations) [www.trumprapes.com](https://web.archive.org/web/20210205191336/https://trumprapes.com/) Treasonous fascist dark triad personality cult https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_triad [alito](https://www.reddit.com/r/scotus/s/bvoFz42VK0) [roberts](https://www.reddit.com/r/scotus/s/vsJzyOLgE6) [Barret](https://www.c-span.org/video/?c4928554/user-clip-judge-amy-coney-barrett-views) All 3 saying that the president isn't above the law under oath 20 years ago. [I'm creating a substack with entire book outlines exposing Steve bannon, Trump, putin and russia](https://elonsson.substack.com/)


witchgrove

He wants to send trans people to camps and forcibly detransition us. I've been scared.


starofthefire

Stay strong sibling, don't succumb to fear. We have community, we can arm ourselves and protect ourselves. Make a plan, me and every other trans person I know has a plan on place for how to protect ourselves from the roundups. These assholes don't take it seriously because no one cares about issues that affect us, make no question about it - they fully intend on rounding us up, taking our medications away and reintegrating us as our AGAB. I'm not letting that happen to me, I will go out kicking screaming and throwing molotovs before I let those mother fuckers touch me.


Twiyah

Terrified? Y’all should be more determined to ensure Project 2025 never see the light of day.


degeneratelunatic

I'm fucking livid that it's taken this long to finally get the attention it deserves. [Esquire](https://www.esquire.com/news-politics/politics/a44948964/conservatives-trump-2025-project/), [Salon](https://www.salon.com/2023/09/05/dark-right-wing-network-recruits-maga-army-to-replace-50k-workers-plans-to-purge/), [MSNBC](https://www.msnbc.com/ali-velshi/watch/-they-re-already-putting-this-plan-into-action-the-chilling-truth-about-project-2025-s-radical-agenda-193655877904), and the [Associated Press](https://apnews.com/article/election-2024-conservatives-trump-heritage-857eb794e505f1c6710eb03fd5b58981) were covering their coup plans since last year. Last year! And yet most other outlets brushed it off like it was no big deal. I mean for fuck's sake, this should have been one of the easiest stories to cover, considering the Heritage Foundation [has a press release about it on their site that's been up since April 2023](https://www.heritage.org/press/project-2025-publishes-comprehensive-policy-guide-mandate-leadership-the-conservative-promise). They should have been getting these ghouls on air, flooding social media daily with stories about Project 2025's origins, calling them nonstop for comments and interviews, making them look so ridiculous even the most gung-ho ~~Trump supporters~~ *ex-WWE fans who found out the whole sport was fake and redirected their rage toward politics* would at the very least think for an extra two seconds before they pull the lever come November. Project 2025 fully pulls the mask off of these psychotic zealots for the idiots who still held onto any doubts about them, and John Roberts gifted them the foundations to make it happen last week, regardless of who wins the upcoming election. Thanks, news media. Some of you tried. The rest of you should be buying Listerine by the gallon, because it's going to take a whole lot of that stuff to get the taste of corporate dick out of your mouths.


NS001

We should all be real fucking furious about it, too. Get mad, people. Get your family mad. Get your friends mad. And get out and fucking vote.


Dr_Tacopus

It isn’t trump’s, it’s republicans in general. Trump is absolutely on board with it, but this is the plan if any republicans get enough power again


Darthhorusidous

Anyone who votes trump or supports this is the problem with our country I swear people don't understand this would destroy so much and not be good for our country


Captainpaul81

Anyone that votes third party or stays home especially in battle ground states is allowing this to happen


lod254

All of us? What if I'm a white male billionaire misogynist bigot pedophile? Will no one think of them?


serpentinepad

Why is project 2025 all over reddit all of a sudden? We've known about this shit forever.


TopDeckHero420

Not really. The media shapes the narrative and doesn't cover it at all. Reddit may be aware of it, but your average voter isn't.


chimarya

Can confirm - many young coworkers didn't have a clue about it. So many people would rather have their head in the sand than know what is happening politically. I luckily had a dad that passed down the habit of reading the daily news.


lilacmuse1

An actress at the BET awards sounded the alarm and told the audience to google it. They did, it started to trend and now people are talking about it. Because apparently now celebrities are doing media's job for them.


charcoalist

Real answer, specifically about its recent prominence. A few days ago, Project 2025's director said there will be a second revolution, and threatened it would be bloodless if everyone just lets it happen unchallenged. To say the least, that amplified Project 2025's recent media prominence. Then yesterday, trump posted about it on his "truth" platform, further amplifying Project 2025 across media outlets. He also denied knowing anything about it, yet claimed to disapprove of parts of it, despite not knowing anything about it. This also led to a more widespread media focus, since the directors of Project 2025, and the organizations behind it, are closely connected to trump. Factor in the recent SCOTUS immunity ruling and Project 2025 becomes much, much, more terrifying.


Karsticles

People who are well-informed and online a lot knew. The general public didn't. The media didn't report on it. Trump didn't comment on it. All of that is changing now.


EmmaLouLove

The volume of crazy coming out of the far right can be overwhelming, but every once in a while, even they say something quite shocking. The Heritage Group’s Project 2025 leader said a second American Revolution would "remain bloodless if the left allows it to be”. Come again. Yes, he really said this. And you can tell people are starting to wake up and smell the coffee, because Trump just came out and said he has nothing to do with Project 2025. But don’t let him fool you. Many involved have close ties to Trump and worked with him during his presidency. Such as Russ Vought, who was Trump's director of the Management and Budget and head of committee at the Republican National Convention, authored one of the chapters. Stephen Miller, who was a senior adviser to Trump, widely expected to be tapped for a top job in a second Trump administration, heads up a legal group on Project 2025's advisory board. Just like Trump cannot distance himself from the extreme policies overturning Roe, in the end, Trump cannot distance himself from Project 2025. Vote Democrat down the ballot.


ThisGuy6266

Trump doesn’t actually care about Project 2025. As long he can use the office of the Presidency to keep himself out of prison and further enrich himself, he will leave the staffing and heavy lifting to others. Trump is nothing more than a Trojan horse for those behind Project 2025.


buttercups122

That's terrifying


BalerionSanders

We are. We have been for the like 14-20 months that we’ve known about it and now, when the media seems to only now be picking it up. Fucking Vote!


TimmyTwoTowels

Project 2025 sounds like it was made by a religious terrorist group. Why do so many rules have to be against women and LGBTQ people? Why do Republicans pick on people so much?


CapGullible8403

A vote for Trump is a vote for dictatorship.


rayark9

The denial on project 2025 amongst the right is palpable. Trump said he has nothing to do with it so everyone must believe him. Well in that case. Biden says he's fine so everyone must believe him. Well here is proof. ... Nah we don't care. ...Welp we're all screwed


AllTheyEatIsLettuce

You should be horrified and unwaveringly committed to open resistance, defiance, and sabotage.


alexamerling100

People keep gaslighting us by saying Trump has nothing to do with it...


Sacmo77

https://ibb.co/9Z5FySq A list broken down.


Adventurous_Till7971

Everyone, even it's own followers should be terrified. They turn on their own fast, consider Pence and Cheney Famous In-Party Purges [https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-25363097](https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-25363097)


macncheesewketchup

This is all about controlling women and killing minorities to increase the white population. Literally the entire construction of this agenda is based on racism.


metalnxrd

Project 2025 is a dystopian *nightmare*


ladyhaly

Project 2025 is a comprehensive conservative policy blueprint for the next Republican administration, spearheaded by the Heritage Foundation and supported by over 100 conservative organizations. **Scope and Purpose:** It's a 920-page document outlining conservative priorities across various government sectors. The project aims to provide a ready-made agenda for Day One of a potential Republican presidency. **Key Proposals:** * Significant restructuring of federal agencies, including potential elimination of some. * Redefining executive branch authority and reducing the scope of smaller government agencies. * Reinstating Schedule F, potentially affecting many federal workers by making it easier to terminate them. * Removing diversity, equity, and inclusion language from federal documents. * Defunding abortions in certain federal programs and reversing FDA approval of abortion pills. **Controversial Aspects:** * The project has been criticized for promoting extreme conservative agenda. * Heritage Foundation president Kevin Roberts made controversial remarks about a potential "second American Revolution. * Democrats acknowledge it as a blueprint for authoritarian governance and are actively working to counter it. **Trump's Stance:** * Despite initial endorsement, Trump has recently tried to distance himself from Project 2025. * He claims to know "nothing about Project 2025" and disagrees with some of its proposals. This disavowal contradicts the fact that many former Trump officials are involved in the project.


[deleted]

Following that last sentence, **Project 2025 had 34 authors and 2 editors,** ***18 of whom*** **worked for the Trump administration.** The following has been verified with the official document. **Here are the authors of Project 2025 who worked for Trump during his administration:** * John McEntee II (Director of the Whitehouse Personnel Office) * Thomas Gilman (CFO & Assistant Secretary for Administration of U.S. Dept. of Commerce) * Russ Vought (Director of the Office of Mgmt. & Budget) * Rick Dearborn (Deputy Chief of Staff for Legislative, Intergovernmental Affairs and Implementation) * Ben Carson, Sr., MD (Secretary of Dept. of Housing & Urban Dev. ) * Ken Cuccinelli (Secretary of Dept. of Homeland Security ) * Peter Navarro (Deputy Assistant to the President & Director of the National Trade Counsel) * Christopher Miller (U.S. Secretary of Defense) * Bernard McNamee (Commissioner of the Federal Energy Regulation Commission) * Mora Namdar (Appointed by Trump to perform as Assistant Secretary of State for Consular Affairs) * William Perry Pendley (Director of Bureau of Land Management) * Kiron Skinner (Former Director of Policy Planning in U.S. Dept. of State) * Roger Severino (Former Director of Office of Civil Rights) * Hans von Spakovsky (Presidential Advisory Commission on Election Integrity) * Brooks D. Tucker (Chief of Staff for the Dept. of VA) * Paul Winfree (Deputy Assistant to the President for Domestic policy, Deputy Director of the Domestic Policy Council, and Director of Budget Policy) * Mandy Gunasekara (Chief of Staff at the E.P.A) **1 editor of Project 2025 who worked for Trump:** * Paul Danz (Chief of Staff of Office of Personnel Management) Other: * Karoline Leavitt (Presidential writer & previously asst. press secretary in the Press Office) [has starred in Project 2025 ads](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lTw6SNI3SR4)


N_Who

It isn't Trump's. Have we lost sight of this *again?* Trump is a tool in all this. Project 2025 belongs to conservatives and their representatives. Trump is just the Republican party's current best shot at getting the Project rolling. If and when we beat Trump? We'll be doing this shit again in four years. And every four years after that, until the Republican party and their voters give up on this idea that this country belongs to them alone.


Traditional-Yam9826

Frankly Project 2025 needs far more attention and concern from the collective American body


ratmanbland

the same project 2025 he now saying knows nothing about just another lie in his every day life


Greaseman_85

Democrats should be going on every channel and every show blasting this and linking it to Trump and the entire GOP. But no, they're busy playing into MAGA talking points and calling for the removal of their own incumbent president. Unreal.


reik915

I guess, but what are we supposed to do. The democratic party is practically handing out the election to Trump it seems like they don’t even care. To me it feels like the republicans are playing chest and the democrats checkers.


ffff2e7df01a4f889

Oh, if Trump wins. It’s done. We had all the warnings and opportunities to stop it. We didn’t. This is it. Either he loses or he gets handed the Keys to the Kingdom. Buckle up.


vthings

They want to make birth control illegal. ALL forms. These are religious radicals, they want to punish people for having non-procreative sex. So if all forms of birth control are made illegal, does that include actions taken to reduce the chances of conception? I envision a potential scenario where a couple is married for several years but have no children being hauled into police custody for questioning. Sounds crazy, right? Already in states that have banned abortion they've been enacting ways of ordinary citizens to rat out anyone they suspect of trying to obtain an abortion. Highway patrol in these states can pull over people leaving the state on suspicion of trying to obtain an abortion. They're already trying to pass laws saying that anyone who got an abortion in another state can be arrested for it. So pulling you and your spouse into police questioning because you aren't making babies isn't that far fetched. Never underestimate what these ghouls want to do to you.


NameLips

For decades the Republicans have been paying lip service to the notion that government has gotten too big and too powerful. I never took their warnings about the dangers of a strong executive branch seriously. They never actually worked to diminish the power of government, or the executive branch, mind you. They just complained about it while actively using and abusing the powers of large government to push their agenda. But maybe they were right all along. A government should not be this powerful. A government big enough to give you everything is big enough to take everything away. I didn't think they would push that point home so hard by actually *doing it* and actually *taking everything away* but fucking here we are. Power to the people.


Si_is_for_Cookie

Yes, but fear without action does nothing. Fight or flight are the traditional responses. It is scary, but do something about it. At the very least, cast your vote, plan, legislate. P25 at its core is not going away, whether its this time or the next or the nth. It’s a thorough considered playbook tailored by industrialists, legalists and demagogues honed over years to achieve a degree of regulatory capture and control that would make Ayn Rand cum in her grave.


Wingd

I wish we’d stop labeling this solely as trumps project. Heritage has been ruining the nation for 50 fucking years and they never get any blame


No_Passage6082

The scariest for me is the fact that the supreme court just overturned the Chevron decision, which from what i understand meant that whenever there was a dispute over a regulation, the court deferred to experts. Now judges and lawyers are allowed to decide if a regulation is valid or not. This will open the floodgates for removing regulations, and that along with project 2025 abolishing the FDA, EPA, etc means no more clean air, food and water.


Tart-Pomgranate5743

Trump is a very stable genius, so of course he knows nothing about the Project 2025 agendas he’s been pushing for years… /S


moistyyyyyyyyyyyyyy

saw this under a previous post and am gonna copy it here for visibility and awareness The "Mandate for Leadership" is a set of policy proposals authored by the Heritage Foundation, an influential ultra conservative think tank. Project 2025 is a revision to that agenda tailored to a second Trump term. It would give the President unilateral powers, strip civil rights, worker protections, climate regulation, add religion into policy, outlaw "porn" and much more. The MFL has been around since 1980, Reagan implemented 60% of it's recommendations, Trump 64% - proof. 70 Heritage Foundation alumni served in his administration or transition team. Project 2025 is quite extreme but with his obsession for revenge he'll likely get past 2/3rd's adoption. The Heritage Foundation already writes bills for Republicans to submit. That's how there have been over 500 anti-LGBTQ+ bills submitted to states since January 1st, 2024. They're the ones writing these bills and getting the GOP to pass them. They were also the ones who wrote Texas's pornography ID law that was passed. They have been behind abortion, contraception, and anti-drug laws, too. And Harrison Butker? They were the ones who sponsored him up on stage as Butker works with them frequently. And let’s not also forget that The Heritage Foundation has frequent confrences that showers GOP politicians with lavish gifts while teaching them how to create right-wing propaganda and craft bills against LGBTQ+ people, abortion, and everything else. There is no "might". It will happen. The Heritage Foundation controls the GOP. There's always a right-winger trying to make people think Project 2025 is no big deal. No, it's not just a think tank, it's The Heritage Foundation. They have massive influence over right-wing politicians. Ronald Reagan took direction from them, and Donald Trump let them pick his administration. Betsy DeVos, Mick Mulvaney, Rick Perry, Scott Pruitt, and Jeff Sessions were some of the people they picked. Back in 2022, The Heritage Foundation completely reversed its position on helping Ukraine. Most Republicans followed suit. They have a lot of power and a lot of Republicans licking their boots. It's definitely something to worry about. Here are all the connections between Project 2025 and Trump statements. Christian Nationalism https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/09/us/evangelicals-trump-christianity.html https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/trump-says-hell-defend-christianity-from-radical-left-that-seek-to-tear-down-crosses https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-features/trump-end-church-restrictions-politics-1234728218/ Canceling Climate Change https://www.forbes.com/sites/markjoyella/2022/03/21/on-fox-donald-trump-calls-climate-change-a-hoax-in-the-1920s-they-were-talking-about-global-freezing/ https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/donald-trump-climate-change-global-warming-b2459167.html https://www.npr.org/2020/09/14/912799501/i-don-t-think-science-knows-visiting-fires-trump-denies-climate-change Control of the Federal Government https://newrepublic.com/post/174370/inside-trump-fascist-plan-control-federal-agencies-wins https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2019-04-23/trump-seeks-more-control-of-fed-sec-and-other-agencies https://thehill.com/policy/finance/324408-the-19-federal-agencies-trump-wants-to-eliminate/ Use the DoJ and FBI to arrest critics and opponents https://www.citizensforethics.org/reports-investigations/crew-investigations/trump-has-threatened-dozens-of-times-to-use-the-government-to-target-political-enemies/ Fire the Civil Service https://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Politics/2024/0507/trump-biden-schedule-f-civil-service https://www.reuters.com/world/us/trump-plan-gut-civil-service-triggers-pushback-by-unions-democrats-2023-12-22/ https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2020/10/donald-trump-civil-servants-schedule-f Replace civil servants with loyalists https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/08/03/distressing-republicans-eyeing-2024-race-support-plot-purge-federal-workers https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-civil-servants-plan-loyalists-b2132020.html https://www.project2025.org/personnel/ Mass Deportations https://www.cnn.com/2024/05/01/politics/trump-immigration-what-matters/index.html https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/closer-donald-trumps-2024-vow-deport-millions-migrants/story?id=110469177 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hyxSA_udawk Make abortion illegal https://www.cnn.com/2016/11/14/politics/trump-gay-marriage-abortion-supreme-court/index.html https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2020/09/16/abortion-rights-line-if-trump-administration-gets-4-more-years/5779444002/ https://apnews.com/article/health-donald-trump-ap-top-news-politics-election-2020-1210f9012eec9818b25ac9abad46b955 Canceling transgender rights https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/trump-attacks-transgender-rights-video-1234671967/ https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/24/us/politics/donald-trump-transgender-protections.html https://www.miamiherald.com/news/politics-government/article277322158.html Commenting this for visibility. The claims that he and others are making that they have no connection to Project 2025 or the Heritage Foundation are false.


WirelessBCupSupport

The Southern "American" is crazy. This weekend, at a horse show event, the two horse riders that carry flags, had the "Christian-American" flag out front and BEFORE the American Flag. That shit right there shows you that we REALLY need Separation of Church and State and these "shadow" groups like 2025 are about insurrection, under God.


sharp11flat13

Here’s just *some* of what Project 2025 proposes: 1. Complete ban on abortions, without exceptions (pg. 449-503) 2. End marriage equality (pg. 545-581) 3. Elimination of unions and worker protections (pg. 581) 4. Defund the FBI and Homeland Security (pg. 133) 5. Eliminate federal agencies like the FDA, EPA, NOAA, and more (pg. 363-417) 6. Mass deportation of immigrants and incarceration in "camps" (pg. 133) 7. End birthright citizenship (pg. 133) 8. Cut Social Security (pg. 691) 9. Cut Medicare (pg. 449) 10. Eliminate the Department of Education (pg. 319) 11. Teach Christian religious beliefs in public schools (pg. 319) 12. Use public, taxpayer money for private religious schools (pg. 319) 13. End the Affordable Care Act (pg. 449) 14. Ban contraceptives (pg. 449) 15. Additional tax breaks for corporations and the 1% (pg. 691) 16. End civil rights & DEI protections in government (pg. 545-581) 17. Ban African American and gender studies in all levels of education (pg. 319) 18. End climate protections: (pg. 417) 19. Increase Arctic drilling (pg. 363) 20. Deregulate big business and the oil industry (pg. 363)