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Yeah kinda expected these days, it will probably be few years until it's easier for fresh graduates to get jobs.
Seniors is high in demand though so it's kinda worth doing anything to further your skills.
I'm a SWE, literally every job hunt I've had since 2014 has involve sending over 100 applications. The only time it wasn't like this was during the pandemic when companies thought pandemic growth was permanent.
Does it have to be either or? Or can it be both.
It is fuckery that hundreds or even thousands or more of applications because most of these companies that are posting are completely full of shit.
I think we're around the same area. I've been in or out of work since 2007/2008. I don't remember it ever being this bad.
I think it's changed recently. My experience from around 2012 has been a little different. I think luck is quite a large factor.
1. Took almost 2 years to get my first job with a degree (because of the whole no professional experience chicken and egg). I eventually got in by accepting an insanely low salary for a developer.
2. Since then, I've only ever had to send out 4-10 applications to get an offer (this was true as recently as early 2023)
Right now it feels like a totally different landscape. Companies are being incredibly picky, and I suspect there are a lot of fake postings. I got rejected this morning for a front end web position, because my C++ experience is only from my degree and side projects, not professional. C++ was not mentioned in the posting, and of course has zero relevance to 99% of front end web positions. The crazy part is that in my last job, I actually built something very much like what they are wanting.
I think it's just a combination of bad luck and bad economy. Hang on in there :)
It will be interesting to see if college educations are even a thing because there is almost no ROI. Tuition is largely unaffordable. Who wants to be saddled with 100k of debt when there are no jobs? Curious if more people will go back into the trades?
Step one is failing to land a consistent job in your chosen field. Step 2 is walking into any restaurant in the country and saying you are willing to serve tables.
Go to a fine dining restaraunt. Most of the people who work here have a Master's or are in law school or something. They want people who grew up affluent enough to be familiar with the standards of white table cloth dining. It pays better anyways.
I lucked into the bartender role, but I had years of serving already elsewhere. People will sit on bartender jobs for years here.
Thank u. I’m thinking of going this route. The office corporate life isn’t my thing and I don’t want to do it anymore, plus I’m not a morning person lol. And I’d honestly prefer to work weekends since everyone does stuff on the weekends so going places is always crowded anyway
In general there is still a pretty good ROI. It’s certainly not what it used to be, but the numbers back up its overall worth it.
I do think you are going to see less people going to private universities and out of state schools though. I went to a state school and am doing no worse than anyone who went to a non-Ivy private or out of state public school.
They just released data on how much of a decline there's been since 2010 in people attending college. Since the peak of college enrollment in 2010 (mainly from people who lost jobs as part of the Great recession in 2008) enrollment has declined about 7.4% on avg.
9 weeks in, I'm over 300. The worst of it is still wasting time creating "accounts" on company websites and filling in the employment history, education, skills, blood type, mothers maiden name, offering firstborn's soul...all to be ghosted. If only everyone had a word document with this info on it, we could just upload that and their simple software could sort it into whatever format they want to view it.
"But Tegho," you say, "this helps them filter out those who are not really qualified or interested in that particular position." That's true. It also filters out people who don't want to work at a company where you have to jump through needless hoops to keep some loser in HR happy. Competent professionals are not interested in your TPS reports and their cover sheets. So, in the end, they are left with mostly desperate applicants who feel like they have to apply for every job they see posted.
I went to 3 networking events (pub night style) this past week alone. Probably over 16 in the last year. Never leads to anything except collecting linkedin connections. I was actually thinking I was done with networking just last Friday
I think it’s counter intuitive but applying to thousands of jobs probably destroys your mental health more than it helps.
I was unemployed 18 months, even got rejected to be a grocery shopper in the middle of the pandemic.
I finally found a job when I limited how many applications I’d send a week. Some weeks enough to get unemployment and no more; others I’d send a few dozen. Back off once in a while for your own sake, it helps.
I agree with you. Just relax because there is a limit what you can do to improve your resume. Then all of it depends on third party that you dont have ANY control of.
I gave up. I'm in tech and only men get hired. I'm doing massage therapy and cuddling for cash.
Really glad I put myself through college for all those degrees to fend off perverts for cash. Thanks America!
My god. So our future is to be soft hooker. The problem is I am on tech also. but Im not a women so I dont have a choice. Maybe I should pass away when I ran out of money completely...
At risk of being politically incorrect and even rude (but as a possibility) did you try knowing someone with cash enough to at least survive without recurring to these kind of jobs?
Anyone on this thread 40+ years old?
I recently completed my master's degree in New York City, graduating last year. Despite being only 31 years old, I feel like age discrimination might be hindering my career pivot.
The job market is extremely competitive right now. It seems that many of those landing coveted front-office roles on Wall Street are fresh out of undergrad or just completed their master's directly after college, often around 21 years old.
This trend makes me wonder if there's a preference against hiring older candidates due to potentially higher costs. Am I overthinking this?
90% of students in my masters program were super young and went directly to graduate school from college. I had the same reaction. Maybe 🤔 they were 22 idk but super young g and had no work experience
how old they graduate from high school? 16? its impossible lol. At least 23 in the best case scenario, graduating at 17. Its not like you can advance levels just because you want.
well 25 is more logic but still very young. I took very long because a lot of reasons most of them didn't depending on me lol. Even someone is in jail for murder, this type of setbacks lol...Not involved but that affected me indirectly, an incredible drama it was even national news on my country...I had bad luck and worse on my job life...
Yup. When I was in college I literally applied to 1200+ internships. I was at a disadvantage because I went to a shit college so I knew I had to grind out the applications. In the end I did land some offers but still damn that period of time sucked. Took maybe 300-400 applications to get my second internship. And then maybe 80 applications or so to land my first full time gig, zero break in employment thankfully.
I'm about ~700 job applications in so far, over the past year.
I have a bachelor's in engineering, masters in a field of architecture, and professional experience leading teams to success on complex jobs on major capital projects.
I'm now applying for jobs at grocery stores or as a general laborer for construction.
This job market absolutely sucks.
I don't know what to do. I can't completely tell if I'm applying to ghost jobs. And for the ones that most likely aren't, I'm not getting any offers. I've only heard back from MLMs or extremely shitty sales positions on 1099s that are willing to look into anyone that'll get them an onboarding bonus.
It's ruining my life at this point. The current market is absolutely insane. We shouldn't need to be applying to a thousand jobs to hope for a potential offer that won't even pull through.
Presently I have applied for 253. I have two final interviews this week. Guess I don’t know if I’ll get one but I hope so. One is actually my dream workplace and it’s doing something I’d find interesting and not that hard.
3 years ago, I applied to exactly 1 big tech software engineering position, got a round of interviews and got a job offer. I thought that was normal so I turned it down. 🤦♂️
I had no clue how good times were back then.
Yes. As is accepting hundreds of applicants, interviewing some of them multiple times, and then accepting hundreds MORE applicants.
But the college thing? Its been a really long time since a college degree was a guarantee job. I think I was told when I began college that less than half of us who graduated would work in our fields, and in reality it was less than 25%.
I remember 2008 very well and this is simply not the case. In 2008 things were so bad all McDonald's locations in my area had signs saying "Not Accepting Applications".
It's likely the standard for many/most job seekers, but there ARE better ways.
I'd highly suggest spending more up-front time, finding ideal job matches and build optimized applications.
**Here's the way I do it:**
1. Identify ideal/perfect match roles
2. Custom build very attractive application packages,
3. Optimize interview skills so that they WOW recruiters.
Example end results? (One of the most recent people I assisted)
BEFORE: Almost 200 job apps, waiting 12+ months, with less than 5 interview invites, and ZERO job offers.
AFTER: 3 ideal job apps, interview invites for ALL 3 within the next 72 hours, 3 job offers by the end of the week.
And if you're thinking "Oh, it must be lower roles right?" Nope! Higher role, better pay, improved work hours.
Can you point to some resources on these application packages that are so incredible that they can stand out among thousands of other applicants? Serious question, not skeptical. It's gotta be something more than a simple resume.
Ppl who give it out this super generic, stupid common sense advice somehow really think most job seekers don't already do these things? Oh I'm in marketing but applying for aerospace engineering jobs, no wonder I'm not getting callbacks, thanks! \*slaps forehead\*
Of course the vast majority of ppl are going after jobs that align with their skill set/job history.
"attractive application packages" is just nonsense lol. It's a CV and a portfolio (if the job requires one).
3 Is yeah, isn't that what everyone tries to do? The problem is in today's job finding economy no one is getting to the third stage and if you don't it's somehow because you didn't do #1 and #2.
This is a very reasonable ask. I think my best evidence comes from hearing the before and after experiences of people I've helped.
(Example: One of the first people I helped was a friend who had spent 10 years of trying to get into his dream job. His family and friends were helping any way they could, but he still couldn't figure out the problem. I spent about 4 hours total with him doing an audit of each step, until we identified the root cause. The fix was actually surprisingly simple. The result was he got hired into the role about 2 months later.)
I had only known him for a few months at the time, but I really enjoyed the process and it got me thinking that I should consider doing this for a living. He was suffering both financially and mentally prior to the change.
Moral of the story: We really put SO much emphasis on our career lives, but there's so much more to life.
In this case, it was a past interpersonal conflict held with the hiring manager. (they had history)
This type of challenge can be: Hard to recognize and intimidating to overcome for applicants.
Fortunately, it wasn't my first rodeo. We built a strategy of side stepping the manager. How? We took the issue several levels above the person (essentially taking away their power to decide). With a formal written letter that explained the value my friend presented to their team and a simple request for ANYONE else to handle the application package.
(The organization was actually DESPERATE to hire the right people so we presented an obvious solution in hiring him).
Great guess! As I have worked closely with HR in several big companies. My background is in tech recruiting and career coaching (which often works alongside HR teams). I've also built complete overhauls of recruiting and training systems from the ground up for companies.
What got me passionate about all this is that I've been in your shoes, so I know job hunting can often be VERY frustrating.
After seeing countless interviews from BOTH sides of the table, I decided to try helping people by answering their questions and offering guidance when possible.
It's an entire process: I follow 4 main stages: pre-app, app, pre-interview, post-interview.
It includes support on everything: from skill match, to resume/cover building, to UVP/core competency building, interview prep, learning development, salary negotiation, etc.
It's best to be honest on your resume.
It takes serious work and introspection, but you can identify HONEST value within yourself.
**What does this mean?** I like to work with people to undercover their UVP (unique value proposition). Think of it like your super power, it's a skill/trait/experience that you have, which almost no one else within that workplace will have.
If it's something that helps solve their current challenges, it can make you a valuable asset to their team.
You won't have to look through 200 posts, because you'll start instead with identifying YOUR skills.
**Here's a few tips:** To avoid having to look through 200 job posts!
* Review job postings from your PAST roles,
* Talk with coworkers (ask them: 1 thing you did better than anyone else?)
* Align these past skills to focus your job search in particular direction.
I do know my skills (I'm a QA engineer focused on Functional testing and Automation testing using cypress with JS), but maybe I'm not Smart enough to filter the job posting on LinkedIn?
I always speak with my coworkers of what I'm doing good/wrong so I can keep improving my skills.
I'd be happy to help. Your biggest insights will often come from \*yourself\*.
It can be challenging to finally discover your super power talent (the 1 thing you do better than anyone else that brings immense value) but previous job postings and coworker talks can help spark this "Aha!" moment.
If you need more help, feel free to message me :)
I hear you, it's very normal to get frustrated and/or not know exactly where to start!
Here's 1 question: Q. What is 1 thing that you did BETTER than anyone else in a past role?
Think of something you or something else recognized as being great. (it can be small or big)
If you need help, feel free to message me and I'll try to offer some guidance.
Anytime :) If you have any questions, I'm always happy to help.
And just remember, job processes are challenging for everyone. Prior to getting into recruiting and learning various tips and tricks, I too went through many lengthy app processes.
It’s proper pathetic…..we shouldn’t need it for a literal secretary position, oh wait…I mean “administrative assistant” their buzzwords to justify needing something you can learn in a week on the job
I'm hoping to make it to the third stage of interviews to answer the door and clean up after lunches. Bacherlor's WAS mentioned in the ad. They implied that the younger people wanted to work from home. And since you can't clean the conference room table from home, I've got a chance !
Pretty much. Just got my first in person interview last week after putting in roughly 200 applications. Applied to 6 more jobs since. Now I'm at 206 applications to one in person interview. Womp womp.
Yes that’s the norm and it sucks. I’d strongly recommend trying to get a referral through your network. That’s the only potential shortcut to skip thousands of resumes and getting in front of the hiring team.
The problem is that I dont have any referral in my field on my network. I studied something different from my family. Partly because I'm not good in anything else...
I'm 18 months in and definitely over 2K applications, interviews with about 20 companies, several final interviews 0 offers with no one hired for the role.
It wasn't so bad even a year back. I could see maybe 30 applicants to a role. Now every random job even the ones with shockingly low salary ranges mentioned have 500 applicants.
Now ppl don't normally apply for all jobs they see unless they don't have any other choices or just casually looking. So the layoffs are going strong as well I suppose. So if one is to compete with at least 500 candidates for 1 position, applying for 501 jobs may just hit one success in getting interviews assuming he/she was the worst resume of the lot( and still get rejected).
Also in the software field hiring managers are uncompromising on the domain specific skills. You may have 10+ years XP in the tools or programming language but they want you to be a domain expert in a specific field like healthcare, banking, automotive etc. based on the job description. So you just keep applying and hope one of them gives you a chance.
I'm beyond frustrated because I have been out of work since December. I was sick and did the first time in a long time, I picked me instead of work!!! I know I was not wearing in my decision but I have been rejected left and right, in appeals with unemployment and disability. It seems as if no one wants to do their job to help us out.
I shouldn't feel guilty or be stressed for picking health but these agencies make it seem like I did a crazy thing
There are a lot of "ghost jobs" being advertised by companies right now that will never be filled. Here's an article explaining why that's happening: [https://qz.com/companies-posting-fake-job-listings-resume-builder-1851556777](https://qz.com/companies-posting-fake-job-listings-resume-builder-1851556777)
There's a subreddit here that is designed to expose "ghost jobs" or "fake jobs". You can share any job postings that you suspect are fake and search for fake jobs posted by others: [https://www.reddit.com/r/FightFakeJobs/](https://www.reddit.com/r/FightFakeJobs/)
Lmao, is this a chatgpt demoralization bot thread?
Seriously, where do you all live and what's your level of experience for you to have to apply to *thousands* of applications???
I stopped at 100. I wasn't going anywhere. Its easier to know someone in a bar, be friends and casually he shares same major and his company is recruiting. Thats more possible than sending thousands of resumes.
Yeah. The job market is essentially impenetrable right now. Whats hilarious is nobody is getting good candidates - numbers that big and with all of us flinging spaghetti and the understandable pressure to lie when engaging with a deeply alienating process - it’s the definition of broken. America is really good at forcing broken systems on people.
Nope. Depends on the field. No clue about IT but I know our nurses, paramedics, doctors, radiographers, lab techs, etc. all have job offers with 3-6 months left to go in their training. Always hiring for auxiliary roles as well. UK-based here, but I suspect the healthcare landscape isn't so different across the pond.
Lmao yeah who wants to spend 10 years in education to be overworked to the point of getting PTSD for £40k a year??
Its more competitive in the USA because the salaries are like 4x as much. But you still have to qualify for and pay for the education.
That's like comparing pay between New York/Manhattan vs. some small town in Iowa or Missouri. Then make it 10x worse since the US has different laws and COL than the UK.
Funny enough, while I don't get paid in ££££ to the equivalent $$$$ as my contemporaries in the USA, my general work-life balance and disposable income seems to be significantly better. Job security alone is miles and miles better, it seems. My contemporaries always seem to be skirting the edge of breakdown or bankruptcy... or both.
Also take a look at how different the [student loan system](https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-62241512) is here in the UK vs. what you have over there in the USA. If earning less than a set amount, the person does not pay anything. It is also written off after 40 years (used to be less than that).
>You do not have to start repaying your loan until you earn a certain amount of money after graduation.
>The threshold for students starting university in England this year will be £25,000.
>In Wales it will be £27,295, in Scotland £31,395 and in Northern Ireland £24,990.
>You do not repay anything if you earn less than the threshold.
>The earliest you will start repaying is the April after you leave your course.
>Payments are made automatically through the tax system.
>You generally repay 9% of the amount you earn over the threshold.
In England, anyone starting university this year will pay back their loan for 40 years before it is written off, regardless of how much is owed - a decade longer than last year.
In Wales and Scotland it is 30 years, and in Northern Ireland it is 25 years.
I believe that means if you earn £24,999, you pay £0. If you earn £25,100, you pay a whopping £9. A newly-minted nurse or radiographer is a [Band 5 and will earn £28,407](https://www.nhsemployers.org/articles/pay-scales-202324) assuming no enhancements. That's £3,407 over the threshold and if my math is correct, will be paying £306.63 or an eye-watering, finance-crippling.... no wait, they'll only be paying £25.55 a month. Maybe even less, I'm not working out gross/net and no clue on that end.
For reference, a single adult cinema ticket is about £12 or £30 for a family ticket. A Starbucks drink is £4-5.
>yeah who wants to spend 10 years in education
Not quite. 3 years for nurses and radiographers, I believe paramedic techs can be seconded and only need 2 years of training to become a full paramedic? Either way, 3-4 years of education and have a job offer 3-6 months before qualifying OR applying to hundreds of jobs? Yeah, who wants education when you can just spam job applications, amirite?
...ahhh, the sweet smell of the chickens coming home to roost - all you Reddit Libs voted for Biden and his $13 TRILLION in new money handouts in 2021 alone because "justice," and now you're SO SURPRISED that inflation has spiked and interest rates have to remain high making it nearly impossible for companies to expand and hire - but "equity," amirite? - lolololololololololololol...
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Hundreds? More like thousands
and the down side is of that 1000 jobs probably only 100 were actually hiring.
Automation and digitization made our lives better didn't it?
Lots of it is just data harvesting.
Yeah I’m already at 1200 in 4 months, no interviews so I don’t think it’s gonna get any easier
May need to lower your standards Then again, could be overqualified for those. It’s rough out there
I’m a recent graduate with a masters. They’re all asking for 3+ years experience even for entry level roles in the U.K. if you can find any
Yeah it’s tough at entry level for sure. Part of why I didn’t bother with a masters
I made the mistake of thinking it would increase my employability, I don’t regret it but it’s frustrating
Probably doesn’t help to hear, but I don’t blame you one bit
Yeah kinda expected these days, it will probably be few years until it's easier for fresh graduates to get jobs. Seniors is high in demand though so it's kinda worth doing anything to further your skills.
That’s why I’ve been applying for so many, I will do anything to get into the industry to start and get the YoE
None of this is standard. All of it is fuckery.
I'm a SWE, literally every job hunt I've had since 2014 has involve sending over 100 applications. The only time it wasn't like this was during the pandemic when companies thought pandemic growth was permanent.
Does it have to be either or? Or can it be both. It is fuckery that hundreds or even thousands or more of applications because most of these companies that are posting are completely full of shit. I think we're around the same area. I've been in or out of work since 2007/2008. I don't remember it ever being this bad.
I think it's changed recently. My experience from around 2012 has been a little different. I think luck is quite a large factor. 1. Took almost 2 years to get my first job with a degree (because of the whole no professional experience chicken and egg). I eventually got in by accepting an insanely low salary for a developer. 2. Since then, I've only ever had to send out 4-10 applications to get an offer (this was true as recently as early 2023) Right now it feels like a totally different landscape. Companies are being incredibly picky, and I suspect there are a lot of fake postings. I got rejected this morning for a front end web position, because my C++ experience is only from my degree and side projects, not professional. C++ was not mentioned in the posting, and of course has zero relevance to 99% of front end web positions. The crazy part is that in my last job, I actually built something very much like what they are wanting. I think it's just a combination of bad luck and bad economy. Hang on in there :)
Yep. Unless you’re lucky it’s not gonna stop at hundreds either.
It will be interesting to see if college educations are even a thing because there is almost no ROI. Tuition is largely unaffordable. Who wants to be saddled with 100k of debt when there are no jobs? Curious if more people will go back into the trades?
Graduated 10 years ago and I'm bartending right now.
thinking about doing the same. I'm in marketing. How did you make the switch from your former career?
Step one is failing to land a consistent job in your chosen field. Step 2 is walking into any restaurant in the country and saying you are willing to serve tables.
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Go to a fine dining restaraunt. Most of the people who work here have a Master's or are in law school or something. They want people who grew up affluent enough to be familiar with the standards of white table cloth dining. It pays better anyways. I lucked into the bartender role, but I had years of serving already elsewhere. People will sit on bartender jobs for years here.
Oh interesting, thank you for the tip!
Did you have to take some kind of course? How do you learn how to make all the types of drinks?
I learned on the job. Some states require a license, but that is like a weekend course
Thank u. I’m thinking of going this route. The office corporate life isn’t my thing and I don’t want to do it anymore, plus I’m not a morning person lol. And I’d honestly prefer to work weekends since everyone does stuff on the weekends so going places is always crowded anyway
In general there is still a pretty good ROI. It’s certainly not what it used to be, but the numbers back up its overall worth it. I do think you are going to see less people going to private universities and out of state schools though. I went to a state school and am doing no worse than anyone who went to a non-Ivy private or out of state public school.
There aren't enough people being born for colleges to stay open
Fortunately I got my education paid by my parents. Without this I wouldn't even think about it. Maybe certifications...
They just released data on how much of a decline there's been since 2010 in people attending college. Since the peak of college enrollment in 2010 (mainly from people who lost jobs as part of the Great recession in 2008) enrollment has declined about 7.4% on avg.
I've applied to thousands for my last 2 jobs
Even with internal referrals, I'm still getting ghosted and denied. I'm literally at the edge of a cliff.
9 weeks in, I'm over 300. The worst of it is still wasting time creating "accounts" on company websites and filling in the employment history, education, skills, blood type, mothers maiden name, offering firstborn's soul...all to be ghosted. If only everyone had a word document with this info on it, we could just upload that and their simple software could sort it into whatever format they want to view it. "But Tegho," you say, "this helps them filter out those who are not really qualified or interested in that particular position." That's true. It also filters out people who don't want to work at a company where you have to jump through needless hoops to keep some loser in HR happy. Competent professionals are not interested in your TPS reports and their cover sheets. So, in the end, they are left with mostly desperate applicants who feel like they have to apply for every job they see posted.
I'm at 827. No offers so far
go to bars and know people. it seems its more possible to find a job this way
I went to 3 networking events (pub night style) this past week alone. Probably over 16 in the last year. Never leads to anything except collecting linkedin connections. I was actually thinking I was done with networking just last Friday
yeah you first have to form confidence in the other person, you know you still not even an acquaintance with only a night.
I’d say thousands is the standard. I applied to around 3-5k before I gave up applying for engineering and engineering adjacent positions.
I think it’s counter intuitive but applying to thousands of jobs probably destroys your mental health more than it helps. I was unemployed 18 months, even got rejected to be a grocery shopper in the middle of the pandemic. I finally found a job when I limited how many applications I’d send a week. Some weeks enough to get unemployment and no more; others I’d send a few dozen. Back off once in a while for your own sake, it helps.
I agree with you. Just relax because there is a limit what you can do to improve your resume. Then all of it depends on third party that you dont have ANY control of.
I gave up. I'm in tech and only men get hired. I'm doing massage therapy and cuddling for cash. Really glad I put myself through college for all those degrees to fend off perverts for cash. Thanks America!
My god. So our future is to be soft hooker. The problem is I am on tech also. but Im not a women so I dont have a choice. Maybe I should pass away when I ran out of money completely...
Oh please. You're a man so you'll be fine. You're the ones being hired over women.
At risk of being politically incorrect and even rude (but as a possibility) did you try knowing someone with cash enough to at least survive without recurring to these kind of jobs?
Anyone on this thread 40+ years old? I recently completed my master's degree in New York City, graduating last year. Despite being only 31 years old, I feel like age discrimination might be hindering my career pivot. The job market is extremely competitive right now. It seems that many of those landing coveted front-office roles on Wall Street are fresh out of undergrad or just completed their master's directly after college, often around 21 years old. This trend makes me wonder if there's a preference against hiring older candidates due to potentially higher costs. Am I overthinking this?
masters at 21? how is this possible? major 4 years masters 2 years 18+6 = 24 in best case scenario and not realistic.
90% of students in my masters program were super young and went directly to graduate school from college. I had the same reaction. Maybe 🤔 they were 22 idk but super young g and had no work experience
how old they graduate from high school? 16? its impossible lol. At least 23 in the best case scenario, graduating at 17. Its not like you can advance levels just because you want.
At my age anyone under 25 seems super young 😂😂
well 25 is more logic but still very young. I took very long because a lot of reasons most of them didn't depending on me lol. Even someone is in jail for murder, this type of setbacks lol...Not involved but that affected me indirectly, an incredible drama it was even national news on my country...I had bad luck and worse on my job life...
i know someone who completed their masters at 20 and is currently pursuing their PhD. they went to university at 15
It doesnt depend of you. It depends of your higschool. You cant just jump years.
Who told you about the secret guarantee
Yup. When I was in college I literally applied to 1200+ internships. I was at a disadvantage because I went to a shit college so I knew I had to grind out the applications. In the end I did land some offers but still damn that period of time sucked. Took maybe 300-400 applications to get my second internship. And then maybe 80 applications or so to land my first full time gig, zero break in employment thankfully.
I'm about ~700 job applications in so far, over the past year. I have a bachelor's in engineering, masters in a field of architecture, and professional experience leading teams to success on complex jobs on major capital projects. I'm now applying for jobs at grocery stores or as a general laborer for construction. This job market absolutely sucks.
I don't know what to do. I can't completely tell if I'm applying to ghost jobs. And for the ones that most likely aren't, I'm not getting any offers. I've only heard back from MLMs or extremely shitty sales positions on 1099s that are willing to look into anyone that'll get them an onboarding bonus. It's ruining my life at this point. The current market is absolutely insane. We shouldn't need to be applying to a thousand jobs to hope for a potential offer that won't even pull through.
Presently I have applied for 253. I have two final interviews this week. Guess I don’t know if I’ll get one but I hope so. One is actually my dream workplace and it’s doing something I’d find interesting and not that hard.
3 years ago, I applied to exactly 1 big tech software engineering position, got a round of interviews and got a job offer. I thought that was normal so I turned it down. 🤦♂️ I had no clue how good times were back then.
Yes. As is accepting hundreds of applicants, interviewing some of them multiple times, and then accepting hundreds MORE applicants. But the college thing? Its been a really long time since a college degree was a guarantee job. I think I was told when I began college that less than half of us who graduated would work in our fields, and in reality it was less than 25%.
Geez, what did you major in?
I was at close to 10,000 apps before I got my current gig. I had to take a pay cut as well. Sucks out there!
worse then 08
This
I remember 2008 very well and this is simply not the case. In 2008 things were so bad all McDonald's locations in my area had signs saying "Not Accepting Applications".
How is that possible? How long were you applying?
I’m at 18 months and 1000 applications in so far
A year, a loooonnngggg year
oh my god, what was the job you were applying for? Did you have prior experience?
10000 apps? my country doesnt have this much of job offers in all fields in a year lol...
It's likely the standard for many/most job seekers, but there ARE better ways. I'd highly suggest spending more up-front time, finding ideal job matches and build optimized applications. **Here's the way I do it:** 1. Identify ideal/perfect match roles 2. Custom build very attractive application packages, 3. Optimize interview skills so that they WOW recruiters. Example end results? (One of the most recent people I assisted) BEFORE: Almost 200 job apps, waiting 12+ months, with less than 5 interview invites, and ZERO job offers. AFTER: 3 ideal job apps, interview invites for ALL 3 within the next 72 hours, 3 job offers by the end of the week. And if you're thinking "Oh, it must be lower roles right?" Nope! Higher role, better pay, improved work hours.
Can you point to some resources on these application packages that are so incredible that they can stand out among thousands of other applicants? Serious question, not skeptical. It's gotta be something more than a simple resume.
I feel like the above poster is selling something/is promoting an app based on that message or is HR or maybe a mix of all
I’ve seen this advice many times from a number of different people. Would be nice to see actual evidence that it works
Ppl who give it out this super generic, stupid common sense advice somehow really think most job seekers don't already do these things? Oh I'm in marketing but applying for aerospace engineering jobs, no wonder I'm not getting callbacks, thanks! \*slaps forehead\* Of course the vast majority of ppl are going after jobs that align with their skill set/job history. "attractive application packages" is just nonsense lol. It's a CV and a portfolio (if the job requires one). 3 Is yeah, isn't that what everyone tries to do? The problem is in today's job finding economy no one is getting to the third stage and if you don't it's somehow because you didn't do #1 and #2.
This is a very reasonable ask. I think my best evidence comes from hearing the before and after experiences of people I've helped. (Example: One of the first people I helped was a friend who had spent 10 years of trying to get into his dream job. His family and friends were helping any way they could, but he still couldn't figure out the problem. I spent about 4 hours total with him doing an audit of each step, until we identified the root cause. The fix was actually surprisingly simple. The result was he got hired into the role about 2 months later.) I had only known him for a few months at the time, but I really enjoyed the process and it got me thinking that I should consider doing this for a living. He was suffering both financially and mentally prior to the change. Moral of the story: We really put SO much emphasis on our career lives, but there's so much more to life.
What was the fix that got him the job? I agree, there is a lot more to life than your job. I don’t get people’s obsession with it
In this case, it was a past interpersonal conflict held with the hiring manager. (they had history) This type of challenge can be: Hard to recognize and intimidating to overcome for applicants. Fortunately, it wasn't my first rodeo. We built a strategy of side stepping the manager. How? We took the issue several levels above the person (essentially taking away their power to decide). With a formal written letter that explained the value my friend presented to their team and a simple request for ANYONE else to handle the application package. (The organization was actually DESPERATE to hire the right people so we presented an obvious solution in hiring him).
Great guess! As I have worked closely with HR in several big companies. My background is in tech recruiting and career coaching (which often works alongside HR teams). I've also built complete overhauls of recruiting and training systems from the ground up for companies. What got me passionate about all this is that I've been in your shoes, so I know job hunting can often be VERY frustrating. After seeing countless interviews from BOTH sides of the table, I decided to try helping people by answering their questions and offering guidance when possible.
It's an entire process: I follow 4 main stages: pre-app, app, pre-interview, post-interview. It includes support on everything: from skill match, to resume/cover building, to UVP/core competency building, interview prep, learning development, salary negotiation, etc.
Do you just exaggerate on your resume for this, or lie?
It's best to be honest on your resume. It takes serious work and introspection, but you can identify HONEST value within yourself. **What does this mean?** I like to work with people to undercover their UVP (unique value proposition). Think of it like your super power, it's a skill/trait/experience that you have, which almost no one else within that workplace will have. If it's something that helps solve their current challenges, it can make you a valuable asset to their team.
I would like to know more about it, seems ridiculous to be looking though 200+ job post to find a good match!
You won't have to look through 200 posts, because you'll start instead with identifying YOUR skills. **Here's a few tips:** To avoid having to look through 200 job posts! * Review job postings from your PAST roles, * Talk with coworkers (ask them: 1 thing you did better than anyone else?) * Align these past skills to focus your job search in particular direction.
I do know my skills (I'm a QA engineer focused on Functional testing and Automation testing using cypress with JS), but maybe I'm not Smart enough to filter the job posting on LinkedIn? I always speak with my coworkers of what I'm doing good/wrong so I can keep improving my skills.
I'd be happy to help. Your biggest insights will often come from \*yourself\*. It can be challenging to finally discover your super power talent (the 1 thing you do better than anyone else that brings immense value) but previous job postings and coworker talks can help spark this "Aha!" moment. If you need more help, feel free to message me :)
Yeah, I've been working on Step One for 5 years now, haven't really completed it yet. How the fuck am I supposed to know what's my ideal match role?
I hear you, it's very normal to get frustrated and/or not know exactly where to start! Here's 1 question: Q. What is 1 thing that you did BETTER than anyone else in a past role? Think of something you or something else recognized as being great. (it can be small or big) If you need help, feel free to message me and I'll try to offer some guidance.
Thank you, that's giving me something to think about.
Anytime :) If you have any questions, I'm always happy to help. And just remember, job processes are challenging for everyone. Prior to getting into recruiting and learning various tips and tricks, I too went through many lengthy app processes.
Would you have had better chances with a high school degree Only?
Not likely when they want Masters degrees just for people to get coffee for everyone everyday or push buttons to send an email
Yeah. You'd better have a bachelor's if you'll be answering the phone.
It’s proper pathetic…..we shouldn’t need it for a literal secretary position, oh wait…I mean “administrative assistant” their buzzwords to justify needing something you can learn in a week on the job
I'm hoping to make it to the third stage of interviews to answer the door and clean up after lunches. Bacherlor's WAS mentioned in the ad. They implied that the younger people wanted to work from home. And since you can't clean the conference room table from home, I've got a chance !
I had success more with applying to a lower number of jobs combined with an annoying amount networking on linkedin lol
Have been applying last 6 months now, M-F, 10 easy apply and 5 actual applications a day, like almost 900 apps, 1 interview in that entire time.
Pretty much. Just got my first in person interview last week after putting in roughly 200 applications. Applied to 6 more jobs since. Now I'm at 206 applications to one in person interview. Womp womp.
Yes that’s the norm and it sucks. I’d strongly recommend trying to get a referral through your network. That’s the only potential shortcut to skip thousands of resumes and getting in front of the hiring team.
The problem is that I dont have any referral in my field on my network. I studied something different from my family. Partly because I'm not good in anything else...
🙃
Has been for years. Was the same way when I graduated in ‘13
I just hit 1000 applications today yay me 🎉
Experience that during 2019 when i graduated with a cs degree. Took 2 yrs to get a job
Yes
Pretty much
Hundreds was normal pre covid, at least for s foreigner in eu which is definitely harder but hey, yeah you can do it if we can ;)
PSA: use a job application [autofiller](https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/pbanhockgagggenencehbnadejlgchfc) to prevent insanity.
Billions!
I'm 18 months in and definitely over 2K applications, interviews with about 20 companies, several final interviews 0 offers with no one hired for the role.
It wasn't so bad even a year back. I could see maybe 30 applicants to a role. Now every random job even the ones with shockingly low salary ranges mentioned have 500 applicants. Now ppl don't normally apply for all jobs they see unless they don't have any other choices or just casually looking. So the layoffs are going strong as well I suppose. So if one is to compete with at least 500 candidates for 1 position, applying for 501 jobs may just hit one success in getting interviews assuming he/she was the worst resume of the lot( and still get rejected). Also in the software field hiring managers are uncompromising on the domain specific skills. You may have 10+ years XP in the tools or programming language but they want you to be a domain expert in a specific field like healthcare, banking, automotive etc. based on the job description. So you just keep applying and hope one of them gives you a chance.
I'm beyond frustrated because I have been out of work since December. I was sick and did the first time in a long time, I picked me instead of work!!! I know I was not wearing in my decision but I have been rejected left and right, in appeals with unemployment and disability. It seems as if no one wants to do their job to help us out. I shouldn't feel guilty or be stressed for picking health but these agencies make it seem like I did a crazy thing
lol how old r u op
There are a lot of "ghost jobs" being advertised by companies right now that will never be filled. Here's an article explaining why that's happening: [https://qz.com/companies-posting-fake-job-listings-resume-builder-1851556777](https://qz.com/companies-posting-fake-job-listings-resume-builder-1851556777) There's a subreddit here that is designed to expose "ghost jobs" or "fake jobs". You can share any job postings that you suspect are fake and search for fake jobs posted by others: [https://www.reddit.com/r/FightFakeJobs/](https://www.reddit.com/r/FightFakeJobs/)
Lmao, is this a chatgpt demoralization bot thread? Seriously, where do you all live and what's your level of experience for you to have to apply to *thousands* of applications???
my country doesnt even have that amount of job offers...
I stopped at 100. I wasn't going anywhere. Its easier to know someone in a bar, be friends and casually he shares same major and his company is recruiting. Thats more possible than sending thousands of resumes.
Yeah. The job market is essentially impenetrable right now. Whats hilarious is nobody is getting good candidates - numbers that big and with all of us flinging spaghetti and the understandable pressure to lie when engaging with a deeply alienating process - it’s the definition of broken. America is really good at forcing broken systems on people.
Nope. Depends on the field. No clue about IT but I know our nurses, paramedics, doctors, radiographers, lab techs, etc. all have job offers with 3-6 months left to go in their training. Always hiring for auxiliary roles as well. UK-based here, but I suspect the healthcare landscape isn't so different across the pond.
Lmao yeah who wants to spend 10 years in education to be overworked to the point of getting PTSD for £40k a year?? Its more competitive in the USA because the salaries are like 4x as much. But you still have to qualify for and pay for the education.
That's like comparing pay between New York/Manhattan vs. some small town in Iowa or Missouri. Then make it 10x worse since the US has different laws and COL than the UK. Funny enough, while I don't get paid in ££££ to the equivalent $$$$ as my contemporaries in the USA, my general work-life balance and disposable income seems to be significantly better. Job security alone is miles and miles better, it seems. My contemporaries always seem to be skirting the edge of breakdown or bankruptcy... or both. Also take a look at how different the [student loan system](https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-62241512) is here in the UK vs. what you have over there in the USA. If earning less than a set amount, the person does not pay anything. It is also written off after 40 years (used to be less than that). >You do not have to start repaying your loan until you earn a certain amount of money after graduation. >The threshold for students starting university in England this year will be £25,000. >In Wales it will be £27,295, in Scotland £31,395 and in Northern Ireland £24,990. >You do not repay anything if you earn less than the threshold. >The earliest you will start repaying is the April after you leave your course. >Payments are made automatically through the tax system. >You generally repay 9% of the amount you earn over the threshold. In England, anyone starting university this year will pay back their loan for 40 years before it is written off, regardless of how much is owed - a decade longer than last year. In Wales and Scotland it is 30 years, and in Northern Ireland it is 25 years. I believe that means if you earn £24,999, you pay £0. If you earn £25,100, you pay a whopping £9. A newly-minted nurse or radiographer is a [Band 5 and will earn £28,407](https://www.nhsemployers.org/articles/pay-scales-202324) assuming no enhancements. That's £3,407 over the threshold and if my math is correct, will be paying £306.63 or an eye-watering, finance-crippling.... no wait, they'll only be paying £25.55 a month. Maybe even less, I'm not working out gross/net and no clue on that end. For reference, a single adult cinema ticket is about £12 or £30 for a family ticket. A Starbucks drink is £4-5. >yeah who wants to spend 10 years in education Not quite. 3 years for nurses and radiographers, I believe paramedic techs can be seconded and only need 2 years of training to become a full paramedic? Either way, 3-4 years of education and have a job offer 3-6 months before qualifying OR applying to hundreds of jobs? Yeah, who wants education when you can just spam job applications, amirite?
Thousands* and no call backs lol
1000+ is the minimum. Otherwise, you’re not trying hard enough.
Been standard since most moved online for anyone willing to work beyond local TBH.
I'm afraid so
It shouldn't be
you need to be an asshole for applying to thousands of jobs, you will be blacklisted for future and tagged as loser.
...ahhh, the sweet smell of the chickens coming home to roost - all you Reddit Libs voted for Biden and his $13 TRILLION in new money handouts in 2021 alone because "justice," and now you're SO SURPRISED that inflation has spiked and interest rates have to remain high making it nearly impossible for companies to expand and hire - but "equity," amirite? - lolololololololololololol...
7-day old account posting clear nonsense with no understanding of how the US government works while citing fake numbers. Ah, election season.
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