*TL;DR* ☞ stim abuse (using stims once pre-synaptic dopamine is depleted, for example) leads to paranoid states and dysphoria. Need to sleep, eat, relax, and reset the brain. Future you will thank you.
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You know… if you use stims and/or psychedelics, particularly RC pyrovalerones and cathinones, *it's a good idea to have an exit strategy.* By this I mean: a strong benzo, or if those give you problems, then something like Gabapentin, or something hypnotic, at least, is wonderful for winding down, shutting off the stim switch, hitting the reset button, and getting a fresh start with a new supply of dopamine, adrenaline, and serotonin that comes with *time, rest/sleep, and nutrition*.
That sudden moment of going from feeling great to feeling awful in about 10 seconds is what occurs when your presynaptic storage of dopamine runs out. It's a good idea to *allow the dopamine downregulation to wear off* every so often so you're working with optimal levels of neurotransmitters. But make no mistake ☞ this is more than likely what brings on the paranoia. The fact that you burned the gear right as that happened is most likely pure coincidence, or a psychological trigger. But chemically speaking, burning this substance would not result in paranoia. It fuses together polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons (PAHs), molecules made of five benzene rings that form a known carcinogen called Benzo(a)pyrene, aka B(a)P. Any time an organic hydrocarbon is burned – from rolling papers to charred steak – anything burned will produce cancer-causing agents that will give rise to malignant tumors if given adequate, repeat exposure to the carcinogens in question.
Also regarding α-PVP, α-PIHP and their ilk: yes, they have low melting points, but also low boiling points, unlike, say, methamphetamine which has an appreciable difference between M.P. and B.P. Meth melts at ~175°C and boils at ~215°C. That's a 40°C span. But α-PVP, et al. tend to melt around ~135°C and boil at maybe ~150–155°C (depending on purity), IIRC, so there's much less room for error. Personally, I like to use a tiny bit of flavored e-juice to help buffer the drug against burning and polymerizing. Still tastes like bleach and will fuck up a glass oil burner, but not as easily as it does on its own.
The pyrovalerone drugs tend to lead me into audio hallucinations really quickly. I recognize this as it's happening and actually I enjoy it if I'm being honest. I separate myself from the effects in terms of not letting it emotionally impact me. I just remember to laugh at shit and not take any of it too seriously. It's always worked for me. Overall, I like triple monoamine releasing agents more than monoamine reuptake inhibitors, which seems a little dicey, but eh… Regardless, good luck! Safe travels.
To the contrary – I'm absolutely concerned about cancer, which is why I warn ppl about the deleterious health effects that can result from pyrrolyzing/burning stims into known carcinogens and inhaling them. It's not too hard to avoid; I just opt for a standard lighter usually over a torch lighter which is harder to control. Keep the heat low, just high enough to atomize off the top layer.
In my opinion, it isn't all or nothing. An adult can moderately and responsibly check out some designer drugs / research chemicals whilst still managing to reduce the potential for harm as low as possible. The path has been paved by others already who explore the inner space of the mind without getting hung up in dependency/tolerance & compulsive behavior patterns/disorders, and also manage to miss cancer and other health maladies that can be brought on from drug use/abuse. However, just because a person wants to explore a stimulant like α-PVP doesn't mean that person has to piss in the face of good sense, throw all caution to the wind, and be reckless and self-destructive in abusing that drug. That's the exact opposite approach I advocate.
Again though, thank you. I appreciate your line of thinking here in that it's smart and aims for harm reduction itself. Bravo and kudos for you for spreading good cautionary knowledge ✌️🙂
I really appreciate you as a person in general and completely agree with everything you said. However, one does not simply "research and prep" themselves out of the slippery slope that is "one time use" turning into "a fucking PrOBLeM" when they/their monkey brain gets a taste of that sweet sweet 😳 make-me-white-guy-blinking-gif😳 pyro smoke/vapor 🫠 like i agree with you but it's a little idealistic.... addiction in it's existence is so flagrantly opposed to logic shits an annoying nonsensical biotch. A-php vaped so fucking well shit was insane! Thanks for the good info about the melting/boiling temps, very interesting! And explains why meth was always a bitch to smoke and a-php was sooooo easy.
Yeah apihp can fuck you up badly. Less in the case of cancer which it and any vaporised drug can cause. But also due to it's ridiculously potent effect on dopamine above all other neurotransmitters. If abused it will cause mostly irreversible damage which in light cases seems similar to adhd. As the dopamine neuron death prevents natural dopamine working aswell. Or in some cases straight up alzheimers. In your twenties.
Go drink some water, maybe go take a shower. Not cold or hot though, it’ll be hard to tell since your body temp is probably out of whack. If you go shower be careful with the triple vision, don’t need you getting hurt
Thanks. I'm just lying down, took me 30mins to post lol. The sad part was that I was vaping and suddenly...all the fun parts stopped. The moment I realize this, I'm already sweating hard, a little confused and then saw the coil and I burnt that fucker
Yeah you learned something tonight lol
seriously go drink some water though, if you’re sweating as hard as I think you could dehydrated quickly and that’ll just make shit worse. Then maybe laying down might be the best idea until things calm down
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UPDATE: After patiently sitting in my bed for 40-50mins, I finally calmed down. The scary part was when immediately I felt silence and every single positive feeling had left my body and replaced them with sweat and confusion. The triple blinking vision was a first, the shadow figures were going back and forth on my wall very fast and it was no problem but the silent footsteps from multiple directions (footsteps coming towards the room and moving away as well) was a troll move.
Burned coil fucked it over so I say that's enough for tonight for me.
TIME TO FIGHT.
-grabs 40cm e-nail
Much love to all of you. It was not that bad because I knew who I was and where I was. That is good news always. The surprising part is that this happened for the first time after 2.5 years.
So I've heard, from reports and stories. An I thought just regular amphetamine/meth comedowns and psychosis are bad, sound like pryo runs are crack on crack. No thanks not for me.
**TL;DR** – drugs are objects incapable of good or evil. Hell-ish suffering reactions come from poor planning, reckless re-dosing, and abuse. I've been there and done it, and avoid it now after some practice and adjusted habits. Doesn't mean everyone can, but just because you fucked up a few times already doesn't mean you can't master doing drugs properly.
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While I love the Hellraiser reference here, intentional or not, calling pyros "portals to hell" is laying it on a bit thick, especially when you consider other drugs like Datura/Jimson weed, BZ, and EA-3167, and also considering how they're fun when used correctly, whereas the aforementioned anticholinergic deliriant drugs are not. But even this is silly to say.
In the U.S. every time there is a new powerfully euphoric drug that becomes suddenly very popular, sensationalist media will call it the scourge of mankind, no matter how absurd that is. They'll find the absolute worst of the worst case scenarios and make it seem like that is *the* de facto result of using the drug at all, even once. Look at how cannabis was treated – given a Mexican name to attempt aligning it with American racism; producing the whole Reefer Madness film/propaganda; and drafting all that Draconian legislation against cannabis in the 60s and 70s, not to mention the slander of calling it "a gateway drug". But now? The truth came out and the public realizes how stupid it was to fear cannabis. Public opinion changed.
The same thing happened w/cocaine in the 1980s & w/MDMA in the 1990s-early 2000s. Meth and "Bath Salts" are the current villains in the stim world for some time now. For downers, it went Morphine → Heroin → Oxycodone → Fentanyl. And you can tell it's a stupid idea bc both meth and fentanyl = Schedule II drugs, _not_ Schedule I. And you know the feds don't know WTF they're doing considering how cannabis is still Schedule I. Diacetylmorphine is Schedule I in the U.S. bc it's synonymous with "Heroin" (which is an old, retired brand name, btw); yet virtually all other countries have it as an equivalent to Schedule II. Legislators need to stop criminalizing chemicals they know nothing about, save for whatever propaganda some asswipe managed to barf out while they were listening.
I'm likely preaching to the choir, I know, but still. Let's not call drugs "portals to hell"; that's melodramatic. Abusing drugs recklessly is the action that can make a person feel like hell. Don't blame the drugs. They're just inanimate objects incapable of these feats. They can be neither good nor evil. It's not a big deal though. If you've abused drugs, take responsibility for it and do better in the future. Learn to use responsibly or stop using. In either scenario though, please don't shit talk drugs just bc they weren't for you. And no, not _you_ you, I mean that in the generic sense of the word. One love.
Maybe you were just counting on a good redose, but instead, getting nothing out of it, you panicked and that's why you thought burnt pyrros give off a paranoia?
At the moment
1. Triple vision, blurred
2.shadows moving (normal)
3. Light footsteps (this would happen on a 3-4 day binge tho.
3. Sweating, feeling hot af
4. Can't think too sharp
5. Moving my torso front and back non stop for 20 mins.
6. Dehydration.
7. No horniness
8. Can't listen to music that I love
9. Tapping 20 times instead of 1 on touchscreen
Fuck, no one can even see this post I guess. If I would have asked which size syringe would you buy for boofing you pansies? It getting better. The triple blinking vision is not helping.
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Average pyro enjoyer enjoying average pyros.
Typing everything with one hand btw.
Not using ur toes? Fffs amateur hour over here
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*TL;DR* ☞ stim abuse (using stims once pre-synaptic dopamine is depleted, for example) leads to paranoid states and dysphoria. Need to sleep, eat, relax, and reset the brain. Future you will thank you. ___________ You know… if you use stims and/or psychedelics, particularly RC pyrovalerones and cathinones, *it's a good idea to have an exit strategy.* By this I mean: a strong benzo, or if those give you problems, then something like Gabapentin, or something hypnotic, at least, is wonderful for winding down, shutting off the stim switch, hitting the reset button, and getting a fresh start with a new supply of dopamine, adrenaline, and serotonin that comes with *time, rest/sleep, and nutrition*. That sudden moment of going from feeling great to feeling awful in about 10 seconds is what occurs when your presynaptic storage of dopamine runs out. It's a good idea to *allow the dopamine downregulation to wear off* every so often so you're working with optimal levels of neurotransmitters. But make no mistake ☞ this is more than likely what brings on the paranoia. The fact that you burned the gear right as that happened is most likely pure coincidence, or a psychological trigger. But chemically speaking, burning this substance would not result in paranoia. It fuses together polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons (PAHs), molecules made of five benzene rings that form a known carcinogen called Benzo(a)pyrene, aka B(a)P. Any time an organic hydrocarbon is burned – from rolling papers to charred steak – anything burned will produce cancer-causing agents that will give rise to malignant tumors if given adequate, repeat exposure to the carcinogens in question. Also regarding α-PVP, α-PIHP and their ilk: yes, they have low melting points, but also low boiling points, unlike, say, methamphetamine which has an appreciable difference between M.P. and B.P. Meth melts at ~175°C and boils at ~215°C. That's a 40°C span. But α-PVP, et al. tend to melt around ~135°C and boil at maybe ~150–155°C (depending on purity), IIRC, so there's much less room for error. Personally, I like to use a tiny bit of flavored e-juice to help buffer the drug against burning and polymerizing. Still tastes like bleach and will fuck up a glass oil burner, but not as easily as it does on its own. The pyrovalerone drugs tend to lead me into audio hallucinations really quickly. I recognize this as it's happening and actually I enjoy it if I'm being honest. I separate myself from the effects in terms of not letting it emotionally impact me. I just remember to laugh at shit and not take any of it too seriously. It's always worked for me. Overall, I like triple monoamine releasing agents more than monoamine reuptake inhibitors, which seems a little dicey, but eh… Regardless, good luck! Safe travels.
... Hamilton Morris?
Ha, that's flattering, but no, I'm not Hamilton. Isn't he u/HamiltonMorris_ with a subreddit at r/HamiltonMorris ?
Beautiful response, friend
Damn that was actually quite informative, thank you.
Wait, so exactly how many steaks are we talking about here?
>use a tiny bit of flavored e-juice to help buffer the drug against burning and polymerizing 👍
While this is easily the best reply here, I do wanna mention this man is vaping chinese stimulants I don't think cancer is his concern lmfao.
To the contrary – I'm absolutely concerned about cancer, which is why I warn ppl about the deleterious health effects that can result from pyrrolyzing/burning stims into known carcinogens and inhaling them. It's not too hard to avoid; I just opt for a standard lighter usually over a torch lighter which is harder to control. Keep the heat low, just high enough to atomize off the top layer. In my opinion, it isn't all or nothing. An adult can moderately and responsibly check out some designer drugs / research chemicals whilst still managing to reduce the potential for harm as low as possible. The path has been paved by others already who explore the inner space of the mind without getting hung up in dependency/tolerance & compulsive behavior patterns/disorders, and also manage to miss cancer and other health maladies that can be brought on from drug use/abuse. However, just because a person wants to explore a stimulant like α-PVP doesn't mean that person has to piss in the face of good sense, throw all caution to the wind, and be reckless and self-destructive in abusing that drug. That's the exact opposite approach I advocate. Again though, thank you. I appreciate your line of thinking here in that it's smart and aims for harm reduction itself. Bravo and kudos for you for spreading good cautionary knowledge ✌️🙂
I really appreciate you as a person in general and completely agree with everything you said. However, one does not simply "research and prep" themselves out of the slippery slope that is "one time use" turning into "a fucking PrOBLeM" when they/their monkey brain gets a taste of that sweet sweet 😳 make-me-white-guy-blinking-gif😳 pyro smoke/vapor 🫠 like i agree with you but it's a little idealistic.... addiction in it's existence is so flagrantly opposed to logic shits an annoying nonsensical biotch. A-php vaped so fucking well shit was insane! Thanks for the good info about the melting/boiling temps, very interesting! And explains why meth was always a bitch to smoke and a-php was sooooo easy.
😂😂😂
Yeah apihp can fuck you up badly. Less in the case of cancer which it and any vaporised drug can cause. But also due to it's ridiculously potent effect on dopamine above all other neurotransmitters. If abused it will cause mostly irreversible damage which in light cases seems similar to adhd. As the dopamine neuron death prevents natural dopamine working aswell. Or in some cases straight up alzheimers. In your twenties.
Go drink some water, maybe go take a shower. Not cold or hot though, it’ll be hard to tell since your body temp is probably out of whack. If you go shower be careful with the triple vision, don’t need you getting hurt
Thanks. I'm just lying down, took me 30mins to post lol. The sad part was that I was vaping and suddenly...all the fun parts stopped. The moment I realize this, I'm already sweating hard, a little confused and then saw the coil and I burnt that fucker
Yeah you learned something tonight lol seriously go drink some water though, if you’re sweating as hard as I think you could dehydrated quickly and that’ll just make shit worse. Then maybe laying down might be the best idea until things calm down
it's true. but it only lasts 20mins you get better
I was hoping one of the pyrogods would show up and help me and there he is
oh you make me blush
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Heyy brooo! I have blurred vision, binging for 4 days now. Let me get back to you as soon as I land this plane. Wish me luck, first time landing🙏
UPDATE: After patiently sitting in my bed for 40-50mins, I finally calmed down. The scary part was when immediately I felt silence and every single positive feeling had left my body and replaced them with sweat and confusion. The triple blinking vision was a first, the shadow figures were going back and forth on my wall very fast and it was no problem but the silent footsteps from multiple directions (footsteps coming towards the room and moving away as well) was a troll move. Burned coil fucked it over so I say that's enough for tonight for me. TIME TO FIGHT. -grabs 40cm e-nail Much love to all of you. It was not that bad because I knew who I was and where I was. That is good news always. The surprising part is that this happened for the first time after 2.5 years.
Glad things got better for real. Pyros are no joke. Haven't taken it myself but don't really plan to.
Pyros are portals to hell.
So I've heard, from reports and stories. An I thought just regular amphetamine/meth comedowns and psychosis are bad, sound like pryo runs are crack on crack. No thanks not for me.
**TL;DR** – drugs are objects incapable of good or evil. Hell-ish suffering reactions come from poor planning, reckless re-dosing, and abuse. I've been there and done it, and avoid it now after some practice and adjusted habits. Doesn't mean everyone can, but just because you fucked up a few times already doesn't mean you can't master doing drugs properly. ________________ While I love the Hellraiser reference here, intentional or not, calling pyros "portals to hell" is laying it on a bit thick, especially when you consider other drugs like Datura/Jimson weed, BZ, and EA-3167, and also considering how they're fun when used correctly, whereas the aforementioned anticholinergic deliriant drugs are not. But even this is silly to say. In the U.S. every time there is a new powerfully euphoric drug that becomes suddenly very popular, sensationalist media will call it the scourge of mankind, no matter how absurd that is. They'll find the absolute worst of the worst case scenarios and make it seem like that is *the* de facto result of using the drug at all, even once. Look at how cannabis was treated – given a Mexican name to attempt aligning it with American racism; producing the whole Reefer Madness film/propaganda; and drafting all that Draconian legislation against cannabis in the 60s and 70s, not to mention the slander of calling it "a gateway drug". But now? The truth came out and the public realizes how stupid it was to fear cannabis. Public opinion changed. The same thing happened w/cocaine in the 1980s & w/MDMA in the 1990s-early 2000s. Meth and "Bath Salts" are the current villains in the stim world for some time now. For downers, it went Morphine → Heroin → Oxycodone → Fentanyl. And you can tell it's a stupid idea bc both meth and fentanyl = Schedule II drugs, _not_ Schedule I. And you know the feds don't know WTF they're doing considering how cannabis is still Schedule I. Diacetylmorphine is Schedule I in the U.S. bc it's synonymous with "Heroin" (which is an old, retired brand name, btw); yet virtually all other countries have it as an equivalent to Schedule II. Legislators need to stop criminalizing chemicals they know nothing about, save for whatever propaganda some asswipe managed to barf out while they were listening. I'm likely preaching to the choir, I know, but still. Let's not call drugs "portals to hell"; that's melodramatic. Abusing drugs recklessly is the action that can make a person feel like hell. Don't blame the drugs. They're just inanimate objects incapable of these feats. They can be neither good nor evil. It's not a big deal though. If you've abused drugs, take responsibility for it and do better in the future. Learn to use responsibly or stop using. In either scenario though, please don't shit talk drugs just bc they weren't for you. And no, not _you_ you, I mean that in the generic sense of the word. One love.
Maybe you were just counting on a good redose, but instead, getting nothing out of it, you panicked and that's why you thought burnt pyrros give off a paranoia?
God lord I miss getting a fat vape rip of some APHIP it was amazing.
Just want to point out that melting point and "burning point" are not the same thing
Average pyrro schizo post. Take a break and stay safe brother.
"Average"? Did you mean "typical"? Bc yeah, it's a typical stim post delving into a bit of melodrama 🤣
This crazy guy from flapjack. Dont mess with pyros its not worth it!
Agreed don't try them you guys they're bbbbaaaaaaaaddddd
Great keep it up
At the moment 1. Triple vision, blurred 2.shadows moving (normal) 3. Light footsteps (this would happen on a 3-4 day binge tho. 3. Sweating, feeling hot af 4. Can't think too sharp 5. Moving my torso front and back non stop for 20 mins. 6. Dehydration. 7. No horniness 8. Can't listen to music that I love 9. Tapping 20 times instead of 1 on touchscreen
Isn't that a panic attack? Cause I have those kinda epusodes a lot sober
Better not ask or mention panic attacks to people that may be having hell in the future. I'm fine tho buddy now 😊
or face your fears
Fuck, no one can even see this post I guess. If I would have asked which size syringe would you buy for boofing you pansies? It getting better. The triple blinking vision is not helping.
Take a chill pill if you have one and take it easy. Be careful slow down and get some healing rest.
They sell 1ml oral syringes on Amazon pretty sure that's what most people use
I want the bigger ones.
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How you holding up?
Thursday.
What do you mean?
Yes.
Wednesday.
50/50
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