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No-Meringue2831

GUYS hear me out maybe one of them will become the new BEST PLACE to find a BURGER in SF


CangtheKonqueror

wes burgers in the mission đŸ”„


Human_Market6043

Yesss


FredericBropin

They also have my favorite fried chicken sandwich in SF.. they’re doing it right.


KublaKahhhn

Wes is the king


lambdawaves

This 👌


giantpurplecrayon

Louie’s Bar on Stevenson


seansinha

Izzy and Wooks has a fire chicken sando and truffle burger.


chris8535

Izzy is for a single fucking slider. Don’t be dishonest. Come on.  It’s burgers are clearly marked at $15.50 Still less than 30 tho.  Correct answer would be STK. that’s a full burger and fries for 9.99 at a nice place to boot. 


nuklearphusion

Agree with this. The $9.99 loss leader lunch at STK is legit


Karazl

Loss leader is putting it lightly, I don't think I've ever seen anyone order anything else at lunch. It's a third of the price of any other option.


seansinha

https://preview.redd.it/5v0laz1btz1d1.jpeg?width=1000&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=52f858c0e5e8a226f12c2694a7e057cc8a9ea152 The Shitake Italian Beef is $15.50. The regular burger is $13.


KarmaHorn

Fogo de Chao in Emeryville has a similar lunch special for a great burger


slinkysmooth

Their food is very mid imo. I like the idea but after trying them a couple times I’ve decided to go elsewhere



yokel123

Downvoted for using the word, “sando.”


Generalgangsta6787

We already have the beat food in the world in SF being home of all businessses under one development in SF


RichestMangInBabylon

Unfortunately it's unlikely that new places will be able to compete on price with established restaurants, so when your choices are between places with comparable food quality people will choose the one with the lower lease.


Personal_Albatross11

But have you been to Miller & Lux in SF???


richalta

$35 burger with hidden charges at checkout. Nah thanks.


4strings4ever

$35 for a hamburger is fucking criminal


Personal_Albatross11

The surcharge is a mandate. You’re paying it if you dine in SF


richalta

Wasn't a law just passed prohibiting these?


yowen2000

Going into effect on July


Personal_Albatross11

I heard that but I heard it doesn’t go into effect until til July 24


Moses_On_A_Motorbike

So in about 5 weeks. Hope they're already getting the systems and menus adjusted.


curious-children

the painful part is that comments like these are so dumb that you can’t easily tell whether you are joking around or not


TinyNet2049

??? It is a mandate. The restaurant has to fund health insurance. It’s on the check or in the prices. Let me guess you’ve never worked at or run a restaurant in SF. Surrounded by morons


curious-children

it’s funny you’re calling people morons while also not being capable of what people are trying to say. Yes, of course it’s a mandate, no one dislikes that they have to, they dislike restaurants wanting to be deceiving and not giving the customers transparent prices. bake it into the prices, easy.


Karazl

I mean it's not actually. It's a pass through for a city healthcare program, sort of, but it's just a generic fee.


ProcyonHabilis

The "mandate" is for the restaurant to provide health insurance. No one is mandating a surcharge. That word appearing on the menu is just them justifying their choice to add a charge, and hoping it will fool customers into thinking that the charge itself is mandated for all restaurants in SF. I didn't think anyone actually was falling for that anymore, but this thread seems to demonstrate otherwise. cc u/TinyNet2049


TinyNet2049

Yes the mandate is to pay for insurance, why I said it’s on the menu prices or as a surcharge. Get a life loser.


lambdawaves

Where did you learn this?


Personal_Albatross11

It’s called SF mandate


lambdawaves

The restaurant calls it SF Mandate. It's not a surcharge which is mandated by the government.


yankeesyes

It is not a mandate. It is a junk fee added by the restaurant. The justification is the mandate to pay for employee healthcare, but there is no requirement that fee goes towards that. Proof of this is that the "mandate" is subject to sales tax. Goverment imposed fees are not subject to sales tax.


yokel123

Sounds like someplace the tech bros would frequent.


FredericBropin

Anyplace with an ampersand in the title is charging 30% more than they should be. Thats why Wes Burgers uses ‘N’ more.


yankeesyes

I stay away from restaurants with an ampersand in the name and restaurants with "company" in the name. It's a signal that they are going to serve overpriced, mediocre food.


Complete-Arm6658

Screams like one of those old times masculine sounding men's products names.


Complete-Arm6658

That's why I go to Sam's Pizza. No body get pizza at Sam's Pizza.


Personal_Albatross11

NBA Bros actually lol


yokel123

Oh
 well, that’s totally different. And since my entertainment budget is roughly the same as Curry’s or Thompson’s, I’ll be sure to check it out.


Discover_likenoother

Wow, now you all have more restaurants to complain about the tipping at.


TheGhostOfKyle

LOL!


Brock395

They’ll start complaining about the $20 burgers.


yokel123

People SHOULD complain. The prices in this city are absurd. I don’t spend as much money eating out in NY. And no way SF should be more expensive than NYC, none.


Discover_likenoother

Then stop eating out so much, sounds like tipping workers that are dealing with the same economy you are is not in your budget or moral compass.


Xalbana

"Now let me post my personal anecdote and why it's more credible than actual data."


AeneasSonofAnchises

-signed Mark from Omaha


Brock395

Mark’s post in another subreddit: “I’ve never left Nebraska because fuck everywhere else.”


Brocklesocks

But the sidewalk poop


InfinityAero910A

That was actually a sidewalk outside a Walmart in Little Rock, Arkansas.


TangerineDream92064

One thing that isn't mentioned with regard to restaurants downtown is that many of the big employers have on-site cafeterias. It is convenient for employees, but does eliminate the need to go out for lunch.


unsolvedfanatic

This has been true for decades though, pre pandemic the good restaurants still thrived. The issue is less people going into the office now.


yankeesyes

Guy with a profile picture of a pickup truck with a gun rack has opinions about the future of downtown San Francisco...


comatoast-

I thought everyone is welcome here?


ketralnis

Found him


yokel123

Found who? Someone with an opinion you don’t like?


InteractionOver7

People being disrespectful and talking out of there ass about things they don’t know shouldn’t be welcomed in a lot of places


comatoast-

And you got all that from a profile picture? The guy just gave some data and an interpretation of it. You don’t have to agree with it but quick to judge someone just over appearances.


InteractionOver7

It’s more so the pfp makes me think this person isn’t from sf and once that’s confirmed I honestly see no reason for this person to be chiming in when it’s only to try and hurt the city. They don’t live here, they don’t know what living here is actually like, most of them don’t even do any real research or even talk to people who live here. Just listen to what MSM is telling them to think about SF and roll with it. These people are actively hurting the rep of my city when they are literally wrong about it and I don’t like it. Why should they be welcomed


yokel123

Also, what is he/she wrong about specifically?


InteractionOver7

The summed up consensus of the people like that are that sf is all homeless camps and poop, burgers cost $30 on the low end and rent is 6k for a studio. Obviously I am exaggerating their exaggerations but that’s why they piss me off. They say things that are simply not true about sf as if they see it everyday. Transplants aren’t sfs problem, they’re annoying but we need them. People who have never set foot in sf talking about it like it’s a 4th world country are the problem


comatoast-

You don’t understand your bias here? You’re literally profiling based on appearances. Is there a certain way someone from SF should look and behave? https://www.foundsf.org/index.php?title=Lavender_Panthers_%26_LGBTQ_Politics_in_the_Postwar_Era Would you judge someone who had this as their pfp as someone not from SF?


InteractionOver7

Your holding onto the pfp thing to much. It’s about what they’re saying. The people who tend to be saying these things typically have those pfps.


yankeesyes

You seriously spent 4 posts arguing this? Go take your pickup somewhere and touch some grass.


yokel123

Are YOU from here? Like, actually from here?


InteractionOver7

Born n fucking raised


yokel123

Can’t have a different opinion, yo. It’s group-think or no thinking at all. Welcome to SF circa 2024. So sad. It used to be such an open-minded, free-thinking place.


Brocklesocks

Someone with a profile photo like that is clearly expressing themselves


yokel123

Nah. Not anymore. That’s old sf. If you don’t have the right opinion on everything, you’re not welcome, thanks to the recent transplants.


comatoast-

Seems like asking people not to judge based on appearances or tribal affiliations is asking too much. I guess people from SF have no right to comment about politics elsewhere in the world, or people from around the world can judge SF based on anecdotes and MSM stories. It goes both ways right?


yokel123

A pick up truck and gun rack. Well, that settles it. He clearly deserves to die


newton302

Anyone know what's happening at the crocker galleria right now? I was figuring that would be a good test for the downtown lunch crowd coming back.


Generalgangsta6787

In time all SF will have a super overramp Development time SF stops being sleepy and get up and go to work :)


bobi2393

But Fox News said all restaurants would disappear in CA because large fast food chains had to pay $20/hr.


yankeesyes

That was weird because I thought all our cities were burned down by BLM. I heard it on Fox News.


Generalgangsta6787

Well on foxnews means fake news


Competitive_Chard385

My personal favorite was when the chronicle posted an article about the last run of the old BART fleet and some redneck was all, "You get what you vote for, libs! Now you don't even have public transportation in San Fran."


DDSFOAK

God, people are stupid.


Generalgangsta6787

U talking about u or what lol 😝


DDSFOAK

Lol, I may do stupid things sometimes but thankfully no, I’m not stupid. At least not stupid enough to interpret the retirement of a BART fleet as the end of mass transit in a major metro.


Generalgangsta6787

Huh? đŸ€”


DDSFOAK

See the comment by Competitive_Chard385 that I was originally responding to; they said, “My personal favorite was when the chronicle posted an article about the last run of the old BART fleet and some redneck was all, ‘You get what you vote for, libs! Now you don't even have public transportation in San Fran.’” That was what prompted me to remark on how stupid people are.


LurkerLarry

BUT MY NEIHHBOR WAS ROBBED BY A RESTAIRAYNT


Generalgangsta6787

What the hell are u talking about 😝


strangway

Man in Florida lurking in the sub: “But whatabout fent?”


InfinityAero910A

As someone is doing that just outside their home.


Generalgangsta6787

😝 nah no drugs keep that shit on the sun


scelerat

I presume they’ll just ignore this news rather than experience physical distress


Sniffy4

Haters have opinions in 3...2...1...


Whisterly

Need the raw numbers to compare closures since 2020 vs openings since 2020. Can you share the article?


scoby_cat

bizjournals.com


predat3d

Well, duh. Hardly any left to close.


Generalgangsta6787

More to open right :)


bleue_shirt_guy

Where is this article?


IIRiffasII

The report this headline is based off of states 22 new businesses against 10 closures in 2022 and 2023 combined. Only 10 closures does not sound correct. Here's a list of the 22 openings: * Bini's Kitchen * Bowl'd Acai Cafe * Cenote Mexican Kitchen & Watering Hole * Cento Coffee Systeme D Cafe * Chicken G's * Flywheel Coffee * Heartwood * Hed verythai * Holbrook House * Holy Nata * Il Porcellino Grasso * Incantations by Voodoo Love * Nick the Greek * Orafo * Penelope's Coffee & Tea * Postscript * Ramen Hiroshi * Seoul Soup Company * Super Kitchen 80 * Superfine Kitchen * Terrene * The Third Floor at The Jay Hotel


midramble

Does not sound correct based on what?


IIRiffasII

10 restaurant closures in all of 2022 and 2023 combined? doesn't that seem small to you?


Puzzleheaded_Car_451

Do you have data that says otherwise?


IIRiffasII

[This article lists 31 closures in 2023 alone.](https://sfstandard.com/2023/12/11/san-francisco-saddest-restaurant-closures-2023/) OP's original article claiming only 10 closures in TWO years is absolute bullshit


lineasdedeseo

yes


Senolatnap

Garry Tan getting worried that the "boom loop" is coming ahead of schedule.


Next-Sink-3300

come on SF haters do something, bring on the doom loop


Tegridy_farmz_

Good news


accountreddit12321

If you think about it there are more restaurant turnovers than the advancement of the culinary field.


epistemole

Is there a graph over time? Curious how much of this is post-pandemic rebound.


events_occur

wow this changes everything


Generalgangsta6787

Indeed a nee begging after post covid


iphoneguy321

Where can I find a list of new restaurant openings? Kind of desperate for a job
 I worked my butt off for a healthcare/tech startup, filling 3 roles, and then they sold the company and laid everyone off. It’s been impossible to get an interview and I’ve been at it for 6 months with dozens of role focused resumes.


Generalgangsta6787

Whats your background tons of companies are hiring for people just need to connect with companies


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InfinityAero910A

San Francisco Derangement Syndrome.


[deleted]

Get mad and stay mad, I want the city to succeed but let’s be real this new minimum wage is fucked, how many of you tracked the news of closures immediately after they were put into place? I hope these new places can succeed regardless


str8c4shh0mee

It’s called rock bottom we can only go up from where we are


Generalgangsta6787

Like your comment :)


alwaystired707

No restrooms. You'll have to shit on the street like everyone else.


Spiritual-Ad4933

Lots of the long time classic SF spots retired so obviously there is loads of inventory ready for someone to give it a go. Combine that with the SF credit to get spaces opened (like in Embarcadero) where the city gives rent credit to the landlord to fill the spaces (devils teeth, etc.) of course there are more openings! Duh. City will come back as some point so if they can ride it out a few more years while someone attempts to fill up the empty office towers or entice people to go downtown for reasons other than work
 they just might make it. Keeping streets clear of crap helps too. 😀


Competitive_Chard385

London Breed claims to have a plan to fill downtown with 30,000 new residents, making it a neighborhood instead of a business district. Who knows how she'll do it or if she even can, but that neighborhood will be radically different a decade from now. Also, I live close to downtown and have never seen crap on the streets there. Do people even know what downtown is or do they think it's anything east of Van Ness?


itsmethesynthguy

They think downtown = tenderloin/mid market/north soma


Spiritual-Ad4933

embarcadero center, is downtown IMO and I'd include Union square all the way to the ball park/Chase center. poop, zombies and tents everywhere.


trythewine

obviously they're outpacing closures because everything is already closed! lol at some point new openings would have to outpace closures if there's literally nothing left to close. doesn't mean these new openings are going to survive.


Generalgangsta6787

Actually studies show places are opening and not shutting down this is the fastest pace of opening since tech rush of 14


StanGable80

Let me know how long they stay open


drawredraw

OP doesn’t know how statistics work.


Shalaco

You know that three in five restraints close in their first year, right? https://www.menutiger.com/blog/restaurant-failure-rate-statistics#:~:text=According%20to%20recent%20restaurant%20industry,from%20the%2090%25%20failure%20rate.


InfinityAero910A

That would apply to every place then and make the closure narrative even more inaccurate.


LizardEnthusiast69

"report finds", "Experts say", "person of authority says" seen this ol song n dance before!


Substantial-Toe96

I mean, restaurants have one of the highest turnover rates of all businesses, so, I wouldn’t use this as *my* measuring stick, but hey, go ahead and party on.


sundaysarelikethat

Yall get so butthurt about people shit talking sf its hilarious


nocturneOG

Only because it’s alt right trolls talking out of their asses. And sadly people believe them.


chris8535

Dude you are all over the sub accusing everyone of being an alt right troll. It’s like a weird obsession. 


nocturneOG

I hate When they spread disinformation. That is all.


cuteman

Doesn't take an alt right troll to notice everything isn't sunshine and rainbows


Tegridy_farmz_

Alt right? what is this 2018? lol


yankeesyes

What are you people calling yourselves these days?


No-Afternoon-5610

Ask MSNBC. They make up the names that you repeat. Or ask the guy that you buy all the bumper stickers that your cult makes you buy. He should should be up to date.


Tegridy_farmz_

YOU PEOPLE?!?! seriously tho I’m not “alt right” but I think labels like that are cringe


yankeesyes

Get over your hurt feelings.


Tegridy_farmz_

I hope you have a wonderful day, friend


sundaysarelikethat

Showing that you care so much about proving them wrong really shows insecurity on your end


nocturneOG

lol ok.


roflulz

have you ever visited another city before? SF only has unbeatable natural beauty going for it. None of the other aspects of a city measure up to any random city in any other 1st world country. City management, restaurants per capita, housing construction per capita, homelessness per capita, cleanliness, and social events measure up to any other city with similar populations across the world.


DefiantBelt925

lol good luck to them.


Generalgangsta6787

They dont need luck they have the dream it and comes trye concept :)


cutiemcpie

I’m not spending $30 on a burger thanks


seansinha

You want me to give you a list of places in SF with sub $10 burgers? It might blow your mind.


feravari

Yes please


seansinha

Benders bar, Columbus Burger, Super Duper Burger, Uncle Boys, Burger Littles, Beeps, Tony's Cable Car, Wes Burger, Hawaiian Drive In (Cheapest cheeseburger in SF @ $3.75), Whiz Burger all have burgers for $10 or less.


HijaDelRey

Commenting to save this list for the future :p out of these which ones are your favorite?


seansinha

I LOVE Beeps. There is just something really fun about going to that Drive-In and grabbing a burger and shake to eat in the car. The burger at Benders is also really good, but that's helped partially because you're usually drunk while you're eating it. I'd gladly eat a burger from any place that I just listed if I were hungry, though.


HijaDelRey

Thank you! :)


Brocklesocks

Big ups to Benders Bar kitchen. We go there specifically to eat. Love the couple working the kitchen too


chris8535

STK. and in n out. 


cutiemcpie

Are they the new restaurants from the article?


seansinha

Izzy and Wooks, one of the newest restaurants to open downtown, has an $8 truffle burger. Game, Set, Match. Go sit down. [https://www.yelp.com/biz\_photos/izzy-and-wooks-san-francisco?select=jKONWksJwdQ3WZEyItEEDw](https://www.yelp.com/biz_photos/izzy-and-wooks-san-francisco?select=jKONWksJwdQ3WZEyItEEDw)


chris8535

8 dollars per slider.  Be honest. 


seansinha

The full burgers are like $13.50. Far cry from the thirty I was hearing. Also, those Mini Izzy burgers are bigger than a traditional slider. This is the $8 burger. Huge, no. But it's a lot bigger than a White Castle burger, which is the textbook definition of a slider. https://preview.redd.it/egk38ibtsz1d1.jpeg?width=752&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ff9d42b10f1422ac04bdb31c52cceed3911204cc


[deleted]

I’m sure none will survive without junk fees. 6.9% for cost of business in San Francisco. GFY


Generalgangsta6787

I disagree with higher wages and cost of business equally setting new trends SF is changing for the better :)


yokel123

YOUR city? You’ve been here all of what? 5 yrs? Btw, you realize the average lifespan of a new restaurant in SF is pretty short, right? How does that replace the mainstays that are closing left and right?


myironlung6

“My city rules” đŸ€ź


Generalgangsta6787

Aww u jelly because you dont live in SF 😝


Aggravating-Leg7898

Still not visiting downtown.


seansinha

Not enough disabled parking.


chris8535

Does insulting people somehow make people like SF more?   I spend every day downtown. Most of the issue is the lack of commuters and the general attitude this sub projects doesn’t make it more inviting. 


Ok_Effective_1689

You probably wouldn’t visit the main drag of a 300 person village either. Only Walmart for you!


Aggravating-Leg7898

Probably not, either. Only k mart for me actually.


seansinha

I took you for a Love's kinda dude. Lotsa beef jerky.


InfinityAero910A

Ok. Likely more worthwhile than almost any place you have been to or live.


Aggravating-Leg7898

Probably true.


mjdntn01

Probably because it costs next to nothing for rent.


Luvbeers

The data comes from Israelis.


sugarwax1

We have to organize more citizen garbage pickups!!!!!!!!!!! Where are we going to find all the photographers to document our volunteer work?!