i already put on seat belt all the time whenever i am seated... i find it even more a hassle to keep on unbuckle when seat belt signs are off and then buckle up when the signs are on... it means i have to be constantly be aware of the signs... just that to feel more comfortable u don't need to make the seat belts very tight... it doesn't make it safer to have the seat belts on the plane to be very tight... this is not like car seat belts where u might be flung forward and ur head smash into the windscreen...
It’s possible for business class passenger. Since there’s a gap allowing acceleration. That’s why some airlines implement 3 point seatbelt.
https://simpleflying.com/business-class-seats-3-point-seatbelts/
> While an airplane is in a flying position, a lap seat belt functions to protect the passenger from any turbulence. However, during the landing or take-off phase, it may not be enough to fully protect the passenger, especially during sudden deceleration accidents, which cause seat belt injuries and head traumas.
> the solution is to get the seats close enough to limit the head travel of the passenger in the event of a sudden stop or worse. With less space and time to accelerate, the head cannot gain sufficient velocity to hit the seat back and cause subsequent head injuries. Plus, there is less force on the seat belts to resist – and seat belts have to be able to take the pressure of many times the passenger’s weight of energy during that sudden stop.
> However, the spacing is further apart with business class and first class seating. Hence, there is a need for 3-point seat belts to reduce the forward velocity of a passenger after a hard stop.
>the solution is to get the seats close enough to limit the head travel of the passenger in the event of a sudden stop or worse
We cram you into economy class for your safety! SMH, just have better seatbelts...
FAA will introduce new bill to set a minimum seat size.
Maybe they will make changes to the seatbelt as well.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/travel/columnist/2024/05/22/faa-minimum-airplane-seat-size-cruising-altitude/73773530007/
actually i felt the biz class seatbelt to be abit unsafe, when lying down flat.
for context, i was on a A350 biz seat, when seat is flat, the seatbelt is across the seat, from my right chest to left hip. so if theres a sudden air pocket and if theres any neg g forces, my legs would be stuck in the foot cubicle and my upper body will be kinda contorted, head and neck sure hit the headboard one.
the A380 one was abit more comfortable, seatbelt was comfortably aross the hips, felt more snug and secure. also helps that seats were wider.
the old a380 seat or the new 1? They kept reducing the size of the seats to cramp more people. The 359MH is 14 inch smaller than the a380 and I hit my head quite a couple of times. The 359LH is much better.
Thanks .. that's a great explanation. I always thought the brace position was crazy as you are guaranteed to smash Yr head into the seat in front. But that's the idea and it makes sense. Less movement before slow down, the better.
was on a SQ flight that took off \~ 1hr after the news broke, also Europe back to SG
captain announced a forecasted 2.5hr very heavy-severe turbulent period and suspended all services, everyone is to be belted in.
so by the time it was over, it was 6am, bfast service needs to be started ASAP cos we landing in SG at 7am.
everyone chiong chiong chiong - staff rush to give you food, you rush to finish food so they can clear.
tbh, i think it was a safety timeout, where any forecast of turbulence = suspend all service, esp <24hrs since the incident happened. in actual fact, the 2.5hr of forecasted heavy-severe turbulence, never happened, only very light turbulence occurred. (even lighter than flying into clouds kind of shaking) so i guess they were being very very cautious.
ya, asked for SQ bear, no bear. ask for milo no milo no chocolate. they had to dig for amenity kit as well.
food onboard was quite terrible for this flight also.
seems like the plane was quite poorly stocked.
That has always been the case though. The guidelines is to remain your seatbelts fastened whenever you are seated.
Honesty I have no idea why some people are so averse to putting their seatbelts on the whole time. So often in flights when the seatbelt signs go off you hear people hurriedly unbuckling their seat belts macam it's such a suffering thing to maintain on.
Uncomfortable if fatter. I keep it on the whole time just cause I'm probably sleeping during landing and I don't want to be woken up just to fumble with the seatbelt
for people with claustrophobia like I am, having seatbelt on + cramped seat will make it feel worse - for some reason my partner decided that "there is no need to choose seat" on budget airline once and I'm stuck in the window seat with two strangers.. lucky it's just a short flight
now I have to make sure to get aisle seat only so I wouldn't feel so restricted by the seatbelt and will likely keep it on as much as possible
Edited: feel like I need to explain on this since the downvote keep coming. I am and do not giving excuses for ALL people who done that, and of course those people have no good reason to do it too. I'm just stating the possible reason not wearing seatbelt for few with claustrophobic who might get trigger easily even being in the plane itself since it's enclosed space. Hope this clarified. Cheers
Loosen it up after take off. Just keeping it fasten loosely protects you from immediately flying out of you seat during large movements. You don’t need to be strapped into the seat at all time like during take off and landing
Airlines should start installing safety harness lines along the aisle so passengers would still be hooked into a carabiner in the event of turbulence while they are walking about
More importantly don’t go to toilet during peak time (like just before breakfast) to avoid queuing and standing. Plan in other times, go quickly and be seated, buckle up.
When this kind of intense turbulence occurs, there’s also danger when you fall back down and smack your head on the seat in front of you.
Sponge the whole interior of the plane you say…
For the passengers yes. The article talks about the current changes for crew, where they too now have to be seated and belted in when the seatbelt signs come on mid-flight.
This is what I’ve seen them do. A bit hard when there are food carts in the aisles?
Usually they put stuff away and get belted in.
Why wasn’t this policy on SIA before? Or if it was, why weren’t they doing it?
Actually unlike car seatbelts which can actually be uncomfortable at the neck area (some cars only), you won’t actually feel much resistance from the airplane seatbelt. It’s really just an oversized belt on your waist.
Sometimes I even forget I’m wearing seatbelt on the plane and only realised when I attempt to stand up (and getting pushed down of course).
I’m 100% in favor of this. If the weather near Singapore is more likely to produce turbulence then cabin service should absolutely be altered. The crew are there for our safety first and foremost and they need to be safe as well.
Honestly it’s very rare that near Singapore the weather is terrible. Short regional flights rarely have this kind of issue. It’s always a problem in the long ones over oceans
I just flew SQ last night and they were prepping our meals straight after take off before the seat belt signs were off. The cabin crew were also seen wandering around the cabin during the flight as the seat belt signs were on.
They did try to be more stringent with passengers belting up during turbulence but kinda gave up after a while as people were still wandering around the cabin 🤷♂️
In my experience that usually happens if the turbulence has stopped for 5 minutes and the captain forgot to turn the sign off. If there's active abnormal shaking however, the flight crew will always make the person sit down.
It’s so hilarious - the only new change I see from the points mentioned is that they won’t serve meals anymore during rough weather.. rest is all the same “continue” !!! Why all this blah blah fluff about something serious?
Overreaction imo. So many planes fly to and fro Europe, India, and the Middle East through that same area every day, it's a freak once-in-a-ponding incident that could have happened to any airline.
SQ already prepares the cabin for arrival just before/after descent starts 40 mins before landing when other airlines do it 15 mins before landing, just before the 10k ft altitude requirement. This just further degrades service, especially for the premium long haul overnight passengers that SQ relies on for profit.
I understand why they need to do something fast and make a show of it, but I hope it is a temporary service modification and not permanent.
it's like the reaction to the Itaewon crowd crush, suddenly Singapore also have crowd control measures for places that never had real crowds to begin with
everyone will have their overkill knee jerk reaction because suddenly they forgot that shit happens
and you can't make a counterpoint because people are too scared so they go "wHaT iF yOuR gRaNdMoThEr DiEd" on you
i already put on seat belt all the time whenever i am seated... i find it even more a hassle to keep on unbuckle when seat belt signs are off and then buckle up when the signs are on... it means i have to be constantly be aware of the signs... just that to feel more comfortable u don't need to make the seat belts very tight... it doesn't make it safer to have the seat belts on the plane to be very tight... this is not like car seat belts where u might be flung forward and ur head smash into the windscreen...
It’s possible for business class passenger. Since there’s a gap allowing acceleration. That’s why some airlines implement 3 point seatbelt. https://simpleflying.com/business-class-seats-3-point-seatbelts/ > While an airplane is in a flying position, a lap seat belt functions to protect the passenger from any turbulence. However, during the landing or take-off phase, it may not be enough to fully protect the passenger, especially during sudden deceleration accidents, which cause seat belt injuries and head traumas. > the solution is to get the seats close enough to limit the head travel of the passenger in the event of a sudden stop or worse. With less space and time to accelerate, the head cannot gain sufficient velocity to hit the seat back and cause subsequent head injuries. Plus, there is less force on the seat belts to resist – and seat belts have to be able to take the pressure of many times the passenger’s weight of energy during that sudden stop. > However, the spacing is further apart with business class and first class seating. Hence, there is a need for 3-point seat belts to reduce the forward velocity of a passenger after a hard stop.
>the solution is to get the seats close enough to limit the head travel of the passenger in the event of a sudden stop or worse We cram you into economy class for your safety! SMH, just have better seatbelts...
FAA will introduce new bill to set a minimum seat size. Maybe they will make changes to the seatbelt as well. https://www.usatoday.com/story/travel/columnist/2024/05/22/faa-minimum-airplane-seat-size-cruising-altitude/73773530007/
actually i felt the biz class seatbelt to be abit unsafe, when lying down flat. for context, i was on a A350 biz seat, when seat is flat, the seatbelt is across the seat, from my right chest to left hip. so if theres a sudden air pocket and if theres any neg g forces, my legs would be stuck in the foot cubicle and my upper body will be kinda contorted, head and neck sure hit the headboard one. the A380 one was abit more comfortable, seatbelt was comfortably aross the hips, felt more snug and secure. also helps that seats were wider.
the old a380 seat or the new 1? They kept reducing the size of the seats to cramp more people. The 359MH is 14 inch smaller than the a380 and I hit my head quite a couple of times. The 359LH is much better.
Thanks .. that's a great explanation. I always thought the brace position was crazy as you are guaranteed to smash Yr head into the seat in front. But that's the idea and it makes sense. Less movement before slow down, the better.
For flights under 8 hours, you should avoid going to the toilet
lol i was gg toilet every hour, to use the facial mist cos air v dry.
was on a SQ flight that took off \~ 1hr after the news broke, also Europe back to SG captain announced a forecasted 2.5hr very heavy-severe turbulent period and suspended all services, everyone is to be belted in. so by the time it was over, it was 6am, bfast service needs to be started ASAP cos we landing in SG at 7am. everyone chiong chiong chiong - staff rush to give you food, you rush to finish food so they can clear. tbh, i think it was a safety timeout, where any forecast of turbulence = suspend all service, esp <24hrs since the incident happened. in actual fact, the 2.5hr of forecasted heavy-severe turbulence, never happened, only very light turbulence occurred. (even lighter than flying into clouds kind of shaking) so i guess they were being very very cautious.
Crew happy. Uneventful day
ya, asked for SQ bear, no bear. ask for milo no milo no chocolate. they had to dig for amenity kit as well. food onboard was quite terrible for this flight also. seems like the plane was quite poorly stocked.
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That has always been the case though. The guidelines is to remain your seatbelts fastened whenever you are seated. Honesty I have no idea why some people are so averse to putting their seatbelts on the whole time. So often in flights when the seatbelt signs go off you hear people hurriedly unbuckling their seat belts macam it's such a suffering thing to maintain on.
Uncomfortable if fatter. I keep it on the whole time just cause I'm probably sleeping during landing and I don't want to be woken up just to fumble with the seatbelt
for people with claustrophobia like I am, having seatbelt on + cramped seat will make it feel worse - for some reason my partner decided that "there is no need to choose seat" on budget airline once and I'm stuck in the window seat with two strangers.. lucky it's just a short flight now I have to make sure to get aisle seat only so I wouldn't feel so restricted by the seatbelt and will likely keep it on as much as possible Edited: feel like I need to explain on this since the downvote keep coming. I am and do not giving excuses for ALL people who done that, and of course those people have no good reason to do it too. I'm just stating the possible reason not wearing seatbelt for few with claustrophobic who might get trigger easily even being in the plane itself since it's enclosed space. Hope this clarified. Cheers
You have your seatbelt on way too tight if you feel "so restricted by the seatbelt". Loosen it up a bit mate.
Your partner don't want to choose seats doesn't mean you cannot choose what
Might be leeching on partner to pay for flight.
Loosen it up after take off. Just keeping it fasten loosely protects you from immediately flying out of you seat during large movements. You don’t need to be strapped into the seat at all time like during take off and landing
Wait people don’t do that?
Have you never hear the mass unclicking of seatbelts when the no seatbelt sign comes on?
This is what you should have been doing anyway, and what they tell you to do at the start of every flight.
Airlines should start installing safety harness lines along the aisle so passengers would still be hooked into a carabiner in the event of turbulence while they are walking about
so swung around like a flail and smacking the headrests as you walk during turbulence?
human yoyo.
> human yoyo. AoT female titan style
better than getting your head smashed into the ceiling
ceiling flat, headrest lower surface area (sharper) ie. higher pressure on impact how is it better
Stand up, hook up, shuffle to the door…
Lucky airborne course never turbulent until this extent yet 🤞😄
i think that's exactly how that many people got injured, they were queuing for the toilet after lunch when the turbulence struck.
haha... means you are one of those who dun secure seatbelt at all time during flight.
More importantly don’t go to toilet during peak time (like just before breakfast) to avoid queuing and standing. Plan in other times, go quickly and be seated, buckle up.
Add sponge on ceiling so people don’t hit their head too hard….
still plenty of stuff(luggage/bag, the cart, someone's tablet) can injure you.
When this kind of intense turbulence occurs, there’s also danger when you fall back down and smack your head on the seat in front of you. Sponge the whole interior of the plane you say…
what if I told you it's already in the design just not in the form of sponge much like why motorcycle helmets are meant to crack on impact
Almost like just following the rules that already existed were sufficient. But no, need to make a vague promise of “we will modify things”
For the passengers yes. The article talks about the current changes for crew, where they too now have to be seated and belted in when the seatbelt signs come on mid-flight.
This is what I’ve seen them do. A bit hard when there are food carts in the aisles? Usually they put stuff away and get belted in. Why wasn’t this policy on SIA before? Or if it was, why weren’t they doing it?
Because it’s global standard. They need to prepare meals etc and i doubt this new measure will last long as it’s highly disruptive to their workflow.
Actually unlike car seatbelts which can actually be uncomfortable at the neck area (some cars only), you won’t actually feel much resistance from the airplane seatbelt. It’s really just an oversized belt on your waist. Sometimes I even forget I’m wearing seatbelt on the plane and only realised when I attempt to stand up (and getting pushed down of course).
wow. got some really hardcore Malaysian comment saying its karma for MH17..... disgusting to use this tragedy. saw it on the star on YouTube comments.
I’m 100% in favor of this. If the weather near Singapore is more likely to produce turbulence then cabin service should absolutely be altered. The crew are there for our safety first and foremost and they need to be safe as well.
Honestly it’s very rare that near Singapore the weather is terrible. Short regional flights rarely have this kind of issue. It’s always a problem in the long ones over oceans
I just flew SQ last night and they were prepping our meals straight after take off before the seat belt signs were off. The cabin crew were also seen wandering around the cabin during the flight as the seat belt signs were on. They did try to be more stringent with passengers belting up during turbulence but kinda gave up after a while as people were still wandering around the cabin 🤷♂️
In my experience that usually happens if the turbulence has stopped for 5 minutes and the captain forgot to turn the sign off. If there's active abnormal shaking however, the flight crew will always make the person sit down.
How does this affect those fancy room style first class cabins where there’s a whole bed? Will a sleeping passenger be shot the ceiling?
I fly that route regularly and it always seemed crazy that they did the meal service just at the peak of potential turbulence.
I wear my seatbelt wherever I go now
Please include wearing your seatbelt in the backseat of the car as well, as a PSA for everyone!
Do you own/wear a chastity belt too? 🤪
I’m sorry I left, i told her not to have you…
It’s so hilarious - the only new change I see from the points mentioned is that they won’t serve meals anymore during rough weather.. rest is all the same “continue” !!! Why all this blah blah fluff about something serious?
what happens if shit halfway and Turbulence? is it remain seated at toilet bowl or how
Overreaction imo. So many planes fly to and fro Europe, India, and the Middle East through that same area every day, it's a freak once-in-a-ponding incident that could have happened to any airline. SQ already prepares the cabin for arrival just before/after descent starts 40 mins before landing when other airlines do it 15 mins before landing, just before the 10k ft altitude requirement. This just further degrades service, especially for the premium long haul overnight passengers that SQ relies on for profit. I understand why they need to do something fast and make a show of it, but I hope it is a temporary service modification and not permanent.
Weather over Bay of Bengal is different as compared to middle east, europe and India.
Can you elaborate on what you're trying to say?
it's like the reaction to the Itaewon crowd crush, suddenly Singapore also have crowd control measures for places that never had real crowds to begin with everyone will have their overkill knee jerk reaction because suddenly they forgot that shit happens and you can't make a counterpoint because people are too scared so they go "wHaT iF yOuR gRaNdMoThEr DiEd" on you
Too risk averse. It was a freak accident, we need to move on.
It’ll be interesting to see if other foreign airlines will do the same!