Even more critically, we can't do that either, we don't understand the systems involved at a deep or precise enough level. The idea that a species unable to manage the planet we evolved on, is somehow going to luck out and invent a fresh new biosphere is laughable. It's typical hubris.
Is it possible *someday* for a future humanity to terraform Mars? Maybe, but that's going to be a distant day, and frankly systems to intercept asteroids, along with sensible population controls are probably ALWAYS going to be cheaper than whipping up a new biosphere.
We really need to start learning more from indigenous populations. Knowledge of how their local ecosystem operates is built into their cultures. And their cultures have managed to survive alongside their local ecosystems for tens of thousands of years, so they must be doing something right.
I think humans have the capacity to turn earth into a garden, but first we need to throw away the idea that everything we do needs to make instant profits.
>global warming is taking a toll on us,
because of greenhouse gasses. one of which is C02
let's fix the Earth first, since removing C02 is what needs to happen on Mars.
Sure, why not? A long-period comet could wipe out earth civilization tomorrow or any day in the future. Terraforming will take thousands of years, but a colony? Sure. It makes good sense. It'll be difficult and painful and might end in utter failure, but it's worth trying.
It's so beyond our capability right now that there's little point other than a thought exercise in even considering it. This is a thousand years off at least.
But yes, we should. We are one comet away from the entire human species ending practically overnight. We cannot remain a single planet species. The other issues you mentioned (global warning, overpopulation) are solvable if we'd just get off our asses to solve them.
Given our current technology, terraforming Mars would take just as long and be just as hard as sending a generational ship to the nearest habitable planet.
At least with Mars, if something goes wrong we're still in the neighborhood.
But there's also the issue that terraforming Mars as a replacement for Earth is just plain not feasible. We could establish a colony that could eventually become it's own civilization, maybe, but it would never be enough nor would it be quick enough to solve our problems here on Earth.
If we want to terraform Mars, we have to fix Earth first. It's the only way it can be seriously considered and accomplished with our current level of development.
Greed and monopolies is not capitalism.
Capitalism requires marketplaces…products, services, ideas.
Capitalism is not a “religion,” it’s a means for a society to weed out bad ideas and value innovation.
But you need markets. Totalitarianism in any form, whether it is a monopoly of mercantilism or thought is what kills our potential.
Waste of time. I’d rather see us apply our deep water floating rig tech on the upper atmosphere of Venus. Lots of chemicals. Lots of solar.
We need to stop thinking like Earthlings if we are going to leave earth.
Terraforming Mars as an alternative to Earth doesn't really make sense. The technology needed to do so would be exactly the same technology that would allow us to clean up Earth, probably for a lot less effort too.
Terraforming as an addition to Earth might be possible, but it's so far into the realm of Sci Fi any answer you could get would be at best slightly informed speculation.
Living in climate controlled habitats falls much more into the realm of feasible in the nearish future.
No, the universe is better off without us spreading thru it like cockroaches. The one known planet that can harbor life in the universe and we’ve fucked it all up.
It’s a race between self destruction and time.
Chances are when this planet is all dried and used up only the Mormons will have enough money to construct a spacefaring arc to save themselves.
If we can’t fix our own planet that is already conducive to life, how the hell are we going to make a barren rock habitable? Rephrased, if we can make a barren rock habitable, we should first focus on ensuring that the place we already live stays habitable. All for jettisoning billionaires to mars though
There's one aspect that I find hilarious that I find people keep forgetting, even if completely disregarding that terraforming mars is not currently technologically feasible: time.
It would take centuries to millennia to make Mars habitable to humans even with some hypothetical future tech. Until then it literally doesn't matter, you're still strolling out in a pressure suits.
If you assume the level of technology and infrastructure capabilities necessary for inhabiting and terraforming Mars, you're talking about a civilisation that a) doesn't NEED to because we've solved our earth problems centuries ago with the same tech and infrastructure and b) can probably send generation ships to other star systems, so colonising Mars doesn't have the same importance.
The idea that the people who wrecked their own native ecosystem can be trusted to create a viable ecosystem in a place as hostile as Mars is dirt stupid.
The population of Antarctica will be higher than the population of Mars in 2100.
Others pointed out all the good points already.
But it should also be noted, we should confirm that there's no life on mars before we start spreading earth life all over it.
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Wouldn’t it be cheaper and easier to terraform Earth?
Even more critically, we can't do that either, we don't understand the systems involved at a deep or precise enough level. The idea that a species unable to manage the planet we evolved on, is somehow going to luck out and invent a fresh new biosphere is laughable. It's typical hubris. Is it possible *someday* for a future humanity to terraform Mars? Maybe, but that's going to be a distant day, and frankly systems to intercept asteroids, along with sensible population controls are probably ALWAYS going to be cheaper than whipping up a new biosphere.
We really need to start learning more from indigenous populations. Knowledge of how their local ecosystem operates is built into their cultures. And their cultures have managed to survive alongside their local ecosystems for tens of thousands of years, so they must be doing something right. I think humans have the capacity to turn earth into a garden, but first we need to throw away the idea that everything we do needs to make instant profits.
>global warming is taking a toll on us, because of greenhouse gasses. one of which is C02 let's fix the Earth first, since removing C02 is what needs to happen on Mars.
It's going to be easier to fix Earth than it will be to terraform Mars
Sure, why not? A long-period comet could wipe out earth civilization tomorrow or any day in the future. Terraforming will take thousands of years, but a colony? Sure. It makes good sense. It'll be difficult and painful and might end in utter failure, but it's worth trying.
It's so beyond our capability right now that there's little point other than a thought exercise in even considering it. This is a thousand years off at least. But yes, we should. We are one comet away from the entire human species ending practically overnight. We cannot remain a single planet species. The other issues you mentioned (global warning, overpopulation) are solvable if we'd just get off our asses to solve them.
Given our current technology, terraforming Mars would take just as long and be just as hard as sending a generational ship to the nearest habitable planet. At least with Mars, if something goes wrong we're still in the neighborhood. But there's also the issue that terraforming Mars as a replacement for Earth is just plain not feasible. We could establish a colony that could eventually become it's own civilization, maybe, but it would never be enough nor would it be quick enough to solve our problems here on Earth. If we want to terraform Mars, we have to fix Earth first. It's the only way it can be seriously considered and accomplished with our current level of development.
The RELIGION of capitalism is what's killing Earth:. Best address that first.
Greed and monopolies is not capitalism. Capitalism requires marketplaces…products, services, ideas. Capitalism is not a “religion,” it’s a means for a society to weed out bad ideas and value innovation. But you need markets. Totalitarianism in any form, whether it is a monopoly of mercantilism or thought is what kills our potential.
Waste of time. I’d rather see us apply our deep water floating rig tech on the upper atmosphere of Venus. Lots of chemicals. Lots of solar. We need to stop thinking like Earthlings if we are going to leave earth.
Terraforming Mars as an alternative to Earth doesn't really make sense. The technology needed to do so would be exactly the same technology that would allow us to clean up Earth, probably for a lot less effort too. Terraforming as an addition to Earth might be possible, but it's so far into the realm of Sci Fi any answer you could get would be at best slightly informed speculation. Living in climate controlled habitats falls much more into the realm of feasible in the nearish future.
No, the universe is better off without us spreading thru it like cockroaches. The one known planet that can harbor life in the universe and we’ve fucked it all up.
That's nearly a quote from The Expanse: "The stars are better off without us."
It’s a race between self destruction and time. Chances are when this planet is all dried and used up only the Mormons will have enough money to construct a spacefaring arc to save themselves.
If we can’t fix our own planet that is already conducive to life, how the hell are we going to make a barren rock habitable? Rephrased, if we can make a barren rock habitable, we should first focus on ensuring that the place we already live stays habitable. All for jettisoning billionaires to mars though
There's one aspect that I find hilarious that I find people keep forgetting, even if completely disregarding that terraforming mars is not currently technologically feasible: time. It would take centuries to millennia to make Mars habitable to humans even with some hypothetical future tech. Until then it literally doesn't matter, you're still strolling out in a pressure suits. If you assume the level of technology and infrastructure capabilities necessary for inhabiting and terraforming Mars, you're talking about a civilisation that a) doesn't NEED to because we've solved our earth problems centuries ago with the same tech and infrastructure and b) can probably send generation ships to other star systems, so colonising Mars doesn't have the same importance.
The idea that the people who wrecked their own native ecosystem can be trusted to create a viable ecosystem in a place as hostile as Mars is dirt stupid. The population of Antarctica will be higher than the population of Mars in 2100.
Others pointed out all the good points already. But it should also be noted, we should confirm that there's no life on mars before we start spreading earth life all over it.
I wish we could but we don't have the tech nor the resources for that.