I’m not usually one to bitch and moan about new versions of software, but I have two computer, one with 10 and one with 11… 11 looks better, but ten works better and I’d choose it every time between the two.
It isn't really even about the software, it is the hardware requirements. Win 11 with the TPM modules and required chips will always mean it has limited share at least for some time. Many machines simply can't upgrade to Windows 11 from 10. Windows 10 will have staying power like Windows XP due to that.
I like Windows 11 and all machines updated except for one from 2016 that is more of a fun computer that just can't justify putting money in it for the TPM or updated chip.
Yeah, this isn't people downgrading to windows 10, or refusing to update. Rather, this is because people are upgrading to Windows 10, and LOTS of existing computers are old and do not meet the hardware requirements for Windows 11.
Windows 10: 70.03% (+0.96 points)
Windows 11: 25.65% (-0.97 points)
Those are percentages of the total. It may be some people downgrading but it's not worth it. More likely there are more Windows computers and the bulk of them end up on windows 10.
I‘m about to downgrade. Fuck better latency in borderless window when the UI sucks ass and I need way more clicks to access the same fucking settings compared to windows 10 or 7.
If anything the hardware manufacturers love that Windows 11 recommends hardware requirements in TPM etc.
Windows 12 will be out by then as well. I wonder if they will have a Windows 13 or skip it./s
I think 10 looks better. My personal computer is 10 and my work computer is 11 and every time I get back to my personal computer it feels much more mature and clean. 11 is kind of bubbly and childish.
I liked ten better, but honestly, I don’t really care much
The right click menu is super annoying on eleven, that’s about it
I know people here really love to circlejerk hating Win11, but I really find it hard to get upset about
Windows XP will remain my favourite. 7 was fine, but all the newer ones (post XP) all feel very similar
Anyone actually mad should have swapped to Linux when vista came out
oh man I feel this one so much, used to be a BIG tinkerer.. but taking 30 minutes out of my day is a dealbreaker these days..i'm already defeated by the time i've come home from work, went to the gym and made dinner. the remaining time is to spend with my gf
I honestly get the most joy in life (work wise) from tinkering. It's my whole schtick. I always wanted to be that guy in the movies with the workshop and bookshelf full of ancient tomes. I've pretty much have the whole set up at home, I just need to figure out how to still enjoy it and have it pay the bills.
Yes but wtf really happened here? The right-click conspiracy is one of the great wonders of the world. Who, really *who* tf approved of this and thought it was a good idea, *and then kept it* after all of the backlash?
Panos Panay likely. He's got a hard on for tablets and W11 is entirely tablet centric now. Giant buttons, huge spacing in file explorer etc. Luckily it can all be reverted. Even the stupid rounded corners can be fixed
You really think they'd learn? For every one person here complaining about it there's 5 more huffing copium and saying it "isn't that bad", as if "not painful" is the peak of the computing experience 🙄
This is one of the main things I dislike about more recent versions of Windows: stuff that should just be a checkbox in the settings require stuff like registry edits.
For instance, I had to make a registry edit to stop Bing search results appearing in the start menu.
I don't remember where, but I read recently that MS don't want people to modify their instances of Windows 11. I don't think there was a threat of making the install illegitimate, but some threat of not receiving vital updates or something to that tune. I really wish I could remember where I saw it so I could link it here. Hopefully someone comes along who possesses the knowledge.
As someone who prefers Windows, Microsoft is really good at making the experience worse and worse.
This is a low risk "hack" and doesn't modify any code files. It uses an existing feature for registering system components to make a dummy entry for the new right click menu. Basically Windows "forgets" the new right click menu exists. Deleting the dummy registry entry will completely revert the change.
I've had my Taskbar vertical on the side of the screen for ages; it just makes logical sense on a wide modern screen.
I know that if I upgrade my personal computer I could use a program to fix it, but on my work computer I can't do that.
Why did they randomly remove a feature that's been there for nearly twenty years?
Yes for me that’s the most egregious sin. My laptop has a wide screen. I read many documents. It made complete sense to place the task bar on the left so that vertical space was maximized for the content I’m working on. At the same time as they have eliminated this option - making for worse usability, they have introduced vertical tabs on the Edge browser. So it’s not like they don’t recognize the benefits. We’re talking about 100s of millions of users: is Microsoft just being run by a bunch of hackers FFS?
If it was run by hackers, then you would be fine.
Microsoft has too many managers basically just using a Surface. They use their Windows as a tablet. And let's this control their intended changes. There are no power users in a position to object and point out when the M$ product owners are failing badly.
That's why Win 8 ended up more or less 100% designed for tablet use. They have returned some few features that got lost in the move from Win7. But they keep fooling around without understanding of the different needs for different types of use.
And they aren't taking feedback from support forums. They just use arbitrary Microsoft "Certified Professionals" to write answers. So like how IE for maybe 8 years could bug out and show the menu line way below the top of the window. The response? "Don't use tabs. Use multiple windows. I have never seen the menu bar end up wrong." By a MSCP so stupid he must need help tying the shoes.
Or how they for many years have had huge issues handling multiple really high-resolution monitors. There is a huge list of bugs that just remains. Because it gets filtered by these damn MSCP. Not sure if they get some bonus for writing their shitty responses on their support forum, when in reality M$ needs bug tickets sent to the people developing the programs.
There comes a time when companies surround themselves with yes men instead of with people who actually care to criticize things and make positive changes.
Don't forget that they added a thick vertical ribbon, then they removed the side taskbar option, that's after screens went wide. So now we have this little postage stamp sized vertical space to see a page in Word. Great UI design choices there, Microsoft.
Thank you! I can't make any changes to my work computer and it's miserable. It pretty much makes everything more difficult, from the right-click menu, to the taskbar, pinned documents, file explorer. I hate it.
They also moved us from a personal drive to OneDrive so now I have put my PIN in to log into Windows, Outlook, Teams, and OneDrive. Whatever happened to single sign-on? I realize most people don't have to deal with CAC issues but just relating the state of my work computer.
People keep saying to switch to Linux as if that solves all problems and as if all software is available on Linux (it's not). I prefer Ubuntu over Windows, but switching over completely isn't an option.
Also Windows 7 is still the best Windows. 10 is okay, but so much about it that I find aggravating.
10 is so much more stable than 7. 7 really nailed a lot of things, but 10 is better in just about every way except for the weird settings/control panel split that never ends.
Win10 is by far the best Windows.
People overromantize Win XP. Sure, it was great. Like really, really great and a huge step forward for its time. But it wasn't as stable as Win10 and blue screens weren't that unusual + it lacks so many QoL features from Win 7/10.
Remember installing drivers for literally every piece of hardware? Yeah... now you only need GPU drivers.
7 was the best since it didn't force accounts
10 is the last good MS OS.
As soon as I saw where 11 was going I switched to Linux, every day happier I did.
I have *literally* started my move to Linux today. With all of the fannying about that M$ is doing with trying to introduce adverts into the Start menu (can be regeditted out, but for how long?) I think that now is my time to move on.
I can use Google for office tasks and most everything else I need is via a browser. I just don't need to be constantly wrestling with Microsoft's proprietary interests and their impact on how I engage with my computer.
Yup! I'm running LMDE (Linux Mint without Ubuntu) - there's a learning curve during setup, but quick to get up and running. Libre Office is also a pretty good local Office option (since Google isn't great either), as is OpenOffice.
Service Pack 3 was where they found the perfection (for its time), XP was pretty messy at the start. I stayed on 2000 for quite a bit. Also the fact it was so easy to pirate helped a ton in spreading it.
Only reason I switched to W11 was for HDR and Dolby Vision support. Don't really have any complaints, most stuff can be changed on 11, or added to 10 with extra software.
11 has tabbed file explorer and much better HDR integration. Those two features make it worth it to me. My old laptop screen was awful on windows 10. I thought the laptop just sucked but then I upgraded to 11 and it was actually very good.
> 11 looks better
I'm going to have to disagree with that sentiment. Nothing about 11 looks better than 10 unless you've just been really jonesing for Windows to be MacOS.
Windows 11 was annoying at first but I found a few solutions to basically turn it into windows 10 in terms of looks but I can still keep some of the newer features that I kinda like. Like the layered desktop thing, it really keeps my workspaces clean when working on multiple things at once.
Can’t you access that with Win+Tab or Win+D (can’t remember the shortcut exactly) in windows 10?
I’m not sure if you’re talking about the same thing, but if it’s the multiple “desktops” each with its own windows, then yes that’s already in windows 10.
Also you can toggle inbetween desktops with Ctrl + Win+(Left/Right) Arrow Keys, sequentially.
EDIT: I would like to apologize, for I forgot to put the Ctrl key in my original comment.
As someone that worked there when the G4 > Intel switch happened. It was a guessing game for us when the different models were going to get updated as well. I remember when we stopped getting shipments of the iBooks for about a month or so. Someone came in wanting to buy one. I urged them to not do it as I felt like there was something new about to come out. Did they listen? Nope! They proceeded to yell at me 2 weeks later when the Macbook was released that I didn't urge them more though...
This is the best you have, right?
Yeah buy it.
There isn’t a once in a generation earth shattering transition that’s about to happen in 3 months, right?
No, you can buy it. It’s the best we have.
Ok but it will be relevant for years to come, right?
Many years.
How many years?
Entire years.
How do I trust you?
You know what they used to call Jobs? IntelliSteve. Our founder loved Intel.
Ok. I am gonna trust you. I am sorry, my therapist says it’s an ego thing.
The i in iPhone is an homage to Intel. i7, iPhone… we are basically one big family.
Ok, ok. Here is the money.
On the Apple Store maxi screen:
#**GOOD MORNING CUPPITINO** 🗣️🗣️🗣️
Pretty much exactly. We were pitched that Apple had heard users concerns about upgradable and were going to cater to businesses again with a new modular system.
Meanwhile, Apple stopped selling compatible MPX graphics cards so it's basically a laptop. I can upgrade the RAM and *maybe* an outdated PCIe AMD card but may not be 100% compatible.
I think it was Luke Miani or MKBHD who said that the 2019 Mac Pro is like building the world's fastest cruise liner when commercial flights were just around the corner. It's the Mac Pro everyone asked for, but it arrived too late.
I absolutely unequivocally guarantee the TPM requirement will be completely removed eventually, because they’ll be so desperate to juice the adoption numbers.
I actually think Microsoft is going to double-down on this one. Windows doesn't bring in as much a share of their revenue as it used to and the bad press from Windows issues affects the whole brand.
Windows 11 was a resale effort. Windows 10 needed secure boot integration to be compliant with new DoD Cyber security standards. Rather than it being a feature of 10 or enterprise, they pitched it as a key feature in 11. Additionally they wanted to get their foot in the door with Microsoft Sentinel thought the use of additional telemetry.
Other garbage was thrown into the pile to make it taller and more feature rich.
"feature", like locked bootloaders on Android phones secure boot is nothing but a net negative for the user and good for corporations who want to make your PC obsolete faster
It should but our Congress is absolutely useless and honestly wants more lockdown (see the Tiktok ban and KOSA). Unfortunately we gotta hope the EU makes it illegal
Here's the thing, once you installed ~~Start8~~ Classic Shell (which brought back that standard windows desktop with start menu) Windows 8 became a really excellent OS. All the optimisations of windows 10 but none of the account/spyware crap.
I will die on this hill.
Vista wasn't as bad as people think it was. IF you had a powerful enough system to run it. Win7 was still way major improvement. ME was a dumpster fire...
Side question: Did I imagine this or was there an announcement from Microsoft during the height of windows 10 that windows 10 would be the last full OS release and future releases would just be incremental? I remember thinking, at the time, how great that was and that I wouldn’t have to upgrade to a new full operating system and then of course 11 came out, etc.
I don't think it was an official announcement. My memory remembers there was just an interview with someone at Microsoft who happened to say that and then the internet took it as gospel
Microsoft never made an announcement.
[Why is there a Windows 11? | PCWorld](https://www.pcworld.com/article/394724/why-is-there-a-windows-11-if-windows-10-is-the-last-windows.html)
This goes over how the rumor got started. Microsoft never confirmed or denied anything but then reddit ran with it and turned it into "fact".
The funny thing is that the top response to your question is 100% wrong and yet highly voted.
This is how Reddit “facts” perpetuate.
Yes, you're absolutely correct. Microsoft had said that Windows 10 would be a perpetual release. The changes between major versions were getting less dramatic and they weren't anticipating any future OS to be radically different.
Early upgrades of Windows 10 did change some things around, particularly with the Start menu - but after a while it mostly settled down.
Maybe the executive responsible for Windows 10 left the company, they forgot about the mess made with bad Windows versions and changed their minds or something.
More like, people want credit for the launch of a new Windows version.
"I upkept Windows 10" vs "I launched Windows 11"
It's why Google constantly creates new products that no one asked for, only for it to shut down a year later because there was (obviously) no demand. But some people get to put on their CV them launching a product.
Nothing better than starting to click on the task bar and BOOM get a half screen ad that you accidentally click, then opens in Edge even though it's not your default browser.
I have a feeling that the cycle is about to be broken and that the next OS will be as bad or worse than Windows 11. They won't resist baking it with AI and even more intrusive ads.
Yep and the general UI/UX will continue getting "simplified" in the dumbest fucking ways possible. I see no reason to think Windows will ever improve at this point.
I wonder how much of that is due to folks turning off telemetry. I'm not saying telemetry is good - you should do more testing with power users. But if all your power users are turning off telemetry and you exclusively use that to make decisions, it does skew things.
Not really, that is because things went like this (exuding the dos based)
95(good)->98(bad)->98se(good)->ME(bad)
NT3->NT4->2000
Then they converged at XP
2000 isn't mentioned because like NT it was never marketed to consumers, it was meant for servers and secure business users, therefore not really part of the timeline
There really isn't anything that makes it "bad" per se. 98 SE had some major improvements, but to say 98 was "bad" compared to 95 is silly. Overall, the usability of 98 and 98 SE is near-identical, SE just added a bunch of features like shared network connections, DVD support, IE 5 (which at the time was an improvement over 4), Web Folders, and DirectX 6.1 (which was a massive improvement over DirectX 6.0, despite what the version number would imply).
To be fair, Vista was fine, the big issue with it was it was put onto crappy PCs that didn't have the specs to handle it. I can't remember if that was because Microsoft had low sys requirements or if it was the manufacturers doing it. The OS itself was good in terms of functionality but bad for performance until like SP1
I also remind people that 7 is like 90% identical to Vista with the 10% primarily being graphic changes.
That's right. Aero while at the time was pretty cool and unique, there was shit for support for it from anywhere for a long time.
When I used to work in a small PC shop, that was the first thing I would disable to help performance on crappy Vista machines.
My brand new top of the line business Thinkpad came with it and it was so shit that I abandoned windows/MS for the first time since 1991 for Linux. Didn't go back to windows on the machine till 10, really.
Used 7 in a VM for a few things but man, vista was garbage. Once I tried to copy some files to a network drive and it took 5 minutes to calculate how long it would take and then 10 seconds to actually copy, I was done
Win 2000 was pretty good.
I remember getting a top shelf Dell, being excited I was going to be running Win 2000 from XP, fired it up, was ME. Mother of all bait and switches, wound up installing 2000 soon after. Still bitter after all these years.
Also how many current windows 11 users are new owners of PC?. Most of the computers that have been purchased with windows 11 installed have no choice but use it.
I will likely hold onto Win10 until MS stops support next year and then just swap in a lightweight Linux distro. I no longer need full Windows capability, and complexity, but will play out my Win10 lifespan. I have zero need or desire for Win11 now -- which is apparently not a unique position.
The almost literal only reason I'm still on Windows is thr last time I looked into Linux Steam support, it was bad. If I could game on Linux like I do on Windows, I'd drop it in a heartbeat, and then just keep a VM handy for when Windows is necessary.
You go off of this?
https://www.protondb.com/explore
I tried pop_os recently and had issues with my favorite game (squad) so I’m not switching at the moment but 90% of the games I tried worked perfectly.
It's actually not Steam, or Linux's fault on these online games. Anti-cheat support is there, and has been.
It is, at this point, quite literally on the game devs to enable support. The work has pretty much already been done. If you want it, contact the studio that makes Squad. The only thing they would have to do is include the anti-cheat.so files that are automatically generated for them in a new build. That's literally it.
Linux will have issues with gamers if they particularly like multiplayer gaming. It's a sad reality but even if it's getting better but anti cheats will be a barrier that is hard to cross.
It is funny to watch Windows repeat the same pattern over and over again... Every other version of the OS is good. XP, Windows 7, Windows 10. I knew Windows 11 would be a sucker, and if it follows the pattern 12 will be solid.
12 would have to do a whole lot of good to undo the decline they've been on ever since 7.
Like stop forcing dumber UI (and keep previous interfaces available without fucking about with with registry), easy and definite ways to disable telemetry and forced automatic updates, no fucking ads in the UI, no forced Cortana/AI/Bing/Edge bullying its way into being used...
None of those will happen. Windows is done being a power user OS.
You're forgetting about the setup process too: a month ago I completely restored my Windows 10 PC and I was shocked to see how absurd the setup process is. Its FULL of shit everywhere: use Cortana, use OneDrive, pay for this, for that, and let us connect your phone, and etc etc. Its sooooooo easy on the Mac and with almost no bs while on Microsoft you just wish that the next setup screen is the last but it never is. Setting up Windows 10 is a pain in the ass, can't imagine Windows 11
I knew I wasn't going to like windows 11 as soon as I upgraded and I tried to put my taskbar back on the left side of my far left monitor like I've always done and it wouldn't let me. Between little shit like that and ADs and Edge being shoved down my throat they can properly fuck off.
Jesus Edge is annoying. You replace it as default browser, but now it's also the "default program" for like 50 different file extensions that used to just open with default browser.
I liked the UI changes in windows 11 but it introduced several bugs. I tried reporting them and they never got fixed. I started using Linux for my home workstation andy work still uses windows 10.
This also isn't unique to windows 11. I interface with a bunch of Microsoft products in an IT setting and it seems like each release has a few bugs which causes a severe regression in productivity. I'm not sure what's going on in their QA testing.
>I'm not sure what's going on in their QA testing.
Nothing's going on in that department. It doesn't exist. [The QA team was laid off about 10 years ago.](https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/20140806183208-12100070-why-did-microsoft-lay-off-programmatic-testers) The users are the testers now.
[You mean the security requirement that’s already been compromised?](https://www.tomsguide.com/news/billions-of-pcs-and-other-devices-vulnerable-to-newly-discovered-tpm-20-flaws)
There’s already been more found since then, too…
> Microsoft killing some of the system's unique features, such as Windows Subsystem for Android.
That was the only vaguely interesting thing about win 11.
MS seems to be doing a Google, killing products and shutting things down,
> similar to how the company scrapped its VR platform, Windows Mixed Reality, in late 2023.
Eventually people will have to turn off windows updates just to keep the features they want to not be removed. 😅
I had to upgrade my laptop from 10 to 11 to keep the Windows Subsystem for Linux. After the update my mousepad didn’t work(USB mouse worked fine so I always needed to have one on me), and it was only a year and a half later I learned my laptop actually had the capability to disable the mousepad with a hot key. Evidently the update chose to enable this functionality which I had never enabled before.
Suffice to say I hope they keep WSL support going for 10 for my desktop until 12 comes out to rectify all the obvious mistakes of 11.
God 11 sucks. They followed the Apple design ethos of “Let’s ignore the changes that users actually want or need and instead fuck up a bunch of random stuff for no valid reason other than making their lives difficult.”
If my next personal computer is not a Mac, I’ll just put Mint on it. I deal with Microsoft’s shenanigans on my work pc and am not a fan of fixing everything that breaks after every “update”. Windows 7 was the best Windows there was, only needed a dark mode. Everyone knows Windows 8 was so terrible that it was replaced with 8.1, and Windows 10 (although much better than 8) is prone to terrible bugs after every update and hardly improved on anything. I mean, it launched and had two different control panels for a long time (original Control Panel and Settings) and still has internet explorer as a core operating function! Windows 11, although I’ve never used it, will definitely not be an improvement based on what I’ve heard about it.
I think your comment really highlights the duality of Windows being built for businesses but collaterally being a home use OS pulling it in opposite directions and subsequently creating a lesser product.
Ideally, businesses want an OS that’s stable, with a known lifecycle, and a predictable update cycle that doesn’t crash. Funny enough that’s LTSC but it’s not compatible with enough software. Really the ideal business OS is more appliance like than anything else.
On the other hand MS wants to tap into that sweet sweet home computer market and pull telematics back for data gathering and revenue generation. The requirements for this are not conducive to the above stated business priorities. The problem is they’re selling more or less the same product to both parties.
Windows 7 was all I ever needed. You could put me back on Win7 and I would miss absolutely nothing, despite being a somewhat demanding power-user. Even its design seems modern enough in 2024.
I have experience with every major Windows release going back to Windows 2.x. [I installed it for a third party who was going to be using it for desktop publishing. But my first real engagement with Windows was the rather buggy Windows 3.0, whose memory management was only barely compatible with my *very* expensive 80386 'hot rod' custom computer.]
I don't despise Windows 11, but I far prefer Windows 10 in almost every respect.
And the invasive qualities of Windows 11 and their continual and totally obnoxious push of their Edge browser is *thoroughly alienating.*
With a 12900K and a fast M.2 running Windows 11, I swear at times it feels like my machine in 1997 navigated Windows Explorer faster.
Of course, not an issue in Windows 10.
Vista and win7 all over again, 12 will be ok, MS always has to shit the bed then overcorrect into a half decent os. Culture hasn’t changed, so software cycle won’t.
The things that suck about 11 (ads, telemetry and forced microsoft account) are not going away. Sure the right click menu thing is anoying, but Win11's issues go beyond usability and bug fixes. It is the general direction that is bothering me: an OS build to steal my data. And 12 won't change that.
The big turn off for me was how hard Windows 11 tries to look like a Mac. I don't know who it is that thinks Macs have great user experiences, but it's definitely not me.
I just don't have a reason to upgrade. And it doesn't help that people don't really give me reasons, but instead try to guilt me into feeling lazy and fearful of new things.
I had a perfect opportunity to install 11 during my newest PC build, but I looked into it, and there's no real features that push me into wanting to install it over 10. Performance doesn't even seem that much improved. Just a bunch of negatives like more bloatware, and a far less user friendly UI. Gettin strong Win8 vibes from what I've seen.
Oh, and Microsoft shoving it in my face every few weeks is having the complete opposite effect they were going for.
I hope they make a last minute decision and decide 11 was just a fever dream like 8 & Vista and drop it...
Windows 11 is dumpster fire for even basic office ops functionality....really loathing the idea of needing to roll it out early next year if the Eol for 10 sticks...
Satya Nadella told the investors, if they put him in charge of Windows he would make it profitable. He is the Nolen Sorrento of our time, he would gladly cover your entire display in ads if he could. This is the guy that laid off thousands ans then had a multimillion dollar party the next day.
As a sysadmin, working on 11 is a huge pain in the ass. ESPECIALLY any module that was moved from the control panel to an unsophisticated abridged version of the settings page.
I installed windows 11 three times for a game machine and had to watch a youtube video to figure out how to disable all the garbage. I feel bad for Windows users.
Windows 11 always defaults to "Group By" in file explorer and I fucking hate it, it's a few extra clicks every time I need to browse files. I can't find a solution anywhere. Any fix is always temporary until I close the window.
I want to Group By (None) for always and forever.
As Windows creeps closer and closer to being a subscription, it'll be more and more important to keep a stable, functional version of your favorite OS and programs. No way I'm gonna pay monthly for an OS with some patchwork AI
Sorry: your hardware doesn't meet minimum requirements....
Yes it does, you just want me to buy your brand new hardware drm scheme with w11, and I am both too poor to buy it, and my current hardware works just fine. So what is w11 then if it both refuses (easily, upfront etc, as you can still load w11 regardless of hardware warning), and doesn't do anything better than current w10.
At this stage Microsoft needs to pivot and have one free OS, and keep market control. Any more of this and more and more people will choose linux, or give up and switch to android chrome or apple with their 'simplicity' of use...
some weeks ago i opened my laptop and that 11 was downloading, i am sure i never said yes at any point. then i read its not a good idea to cancel it when it already began. i was so angry, cause everything was running smooth for years, also in music production.
I upgraded to 11 shortly after it released and its just "shrug". It basically made no difference to my life with the one exception of the Android Sub System allowing me to run a couple of Android apps that are better than their web counter part lol.
I’m not usually one to bitch and moan about new versions of software, but I have two computer, one with 10 and one with 11… 11 looks better, but ten works better and I’d choose it every time between the two.
It isn't really even about the software, it is the hardware requirements. Win 11 with the TPM modules and required chips will always mean it has limited share at least for some time. Many machines simply can't upgrade to Windows 11 from 10. Windows 10 will have staying power like Windows XP due to that. I like Windows 11 and all machines updated except for one from 2016 that is more of a fun computer that just can't justify putting money in it for the TPM or updated chip.
Yeah, this isn't people downgrading to windows 10, or refusing to update. Rather, this is because people are upgrading to Windows 10, and LOTS of existing computers are old and do not meet the hardware requirements for Windows 11. Windows 10: 70.03% (+0.96 points) Windows 11: 25.65% (-0.97 points) Those are percentages of the total. It may be some people downgrading but it's not worth it. More likely there are more Windows computers and the bulk of them end up on windows 10.
I'm refusing to update.
I‘m about to downgrade. Fuck better latency in borderless window when the UI sucks ass and I need way more clicks to access the same fucking settings compared to windows 10 or 7.
I’m refusing to upgrade
Same. Every time my computer asks I say fuck that shit.
I disabled TPM in the bios after it tried to auto upgrade me to 11
Would happily downgrade if I needed to reinstall for some reason. The ads in windows 11 are pretty bad.
Once Windows 11 dominates, approximately 240 million computers are landfill material.
If anything the hardware manufacturers love that Windows 11 recommends hardware requirements in TPM etc. Windows 12 will be out by then as well. I wonder if they will have a Windows 13 or skip it./s
It's a good time to be a Linux user.
I've got a media machine with Windows 10 and am now seriously considering switching it to Linux.
I think 10 looks better. My personal computer is 10 and my work computer is 11 and every time I get back to my personal computer it feels much more mature and clean. 11 is kind of bubbly and childish.
I liked ten better, but honestly, I don’t really care much The right click menu is super annoying on eleven, that’s about it I know people here really love to circlejerk hating Win11, but I really find it hard to get upset about Windows XP will remain my favourite. 7 was fine, but all the newer ones (post XP) all feel very similar Anyone actually mad should have swapped to Linux when vista came out
There is a registry hack to revert back to the normal right-click menu.
I used to tinker. now I am just tired.
I felt that
Giving this a golden ⬆️
oh man I feel this one so much, used to be a BIG tinkerer.. but taking 30 minutes out of my day is a dealbreaker these days..i'm already defeated by the time i've come home from work, went to the gym and made dinner. the remaining time is to spend with my gf
I honestly get the most joy in life (work wise) from tinkering. It's my whole schtick. I always wanted to be that guy in the movies with the workshop and bookshelf full of ancient tomes. I've pretty much have the whole set up at home, I just need to figure out how to still enjoy it and have it pay the bills.
Wait till you hit 40
You don't hit 40, 40 hits you.
Wise words. Take care of your knees kids.
Yes but wtf really happened here? The right-click conspiracy is one of the great wonders of the world. Who, really *who* tf approved of this and thought it was a good idea, *and then kept it* after all of the backlash?
Panos Panay likely. He's got a hard on for tablets and W11 is entirely tablet centric now. Giant buttons, huge spacing in file explorer etc. Luckily it can all be reverted. Even the stupid rounded corners can be fixed
Isn’t that the exact error they made on Windows 8?
You really think they'd learn? For every one person here complaining about it there's 5 more huffing copium and saying it "isn't that bad", as if "not painful" is the peak of the computing experience 🙄
Everything is catering to stupid people now. From tech to politics.
The end user should never need to edit the registry unless something really bad happened.
Forcing ads on users is something really bad.
This is one of the main things I dislike about more recent versions of Windows: stuff that should just be a checkbox in the settings require stuff like registry edits. For instance, I had to make a registry edit to stop Bing search results appearing in the start menu.
I don't remember where, but I read recently that MS don't want people to modify their instances of Windows 11. I don't think there was a threat of making the install illegitimate, but some threat of not receiving vital updates or something to that tune. I really wish I could remember where I saw it so I could link it here. Hopefully someone comes along who possesses the knowledge. As someone who prefers Windows, Microsoft is really good at making the experience worse and worse.
This is a low risk "hack" and doesn't modify any code files. It uses an existing feature for registering system components to make a dummy entry for the new right click menu. Basically Windows "forgets" the new right click menu exists. Deleting the dummy registry entry will completely revert the change.
I've had my Taskbar vertical on the side of the screen for ages; it just makes logical sense on a wide modern screen. I know that if I upgrade my personal computer I could use a program to fix it, but on my work computer I can't do that. Why did they randomly remove a feature that's been there for nearly twenty years?
Yes for me that’s the most egregious sin. My laptop has a wide screen. I read many documents. It made complete sense to place the task bar on the left so that vertical space was maximized for the content I’m working on. At the same time as they have eliminated this option - making for worse usability, they have introduced vertical tabs on the Edge browser. So it’s not like they don’t recognize the benefits. We’re talking about 100s of millions of users: is Microsoft just being run by a bunch of hackers FFS?
If it was run by hackers, then you would be fine. Microsoft has too many managers basically just using a Surface. They use their Windows as a tablet. And let's this control their intended changes. There are no power users in a position to object and point out when the M$ product owners are failing badly. That's why Win 8 ended up more or less 100% designed for tablet use. They have returned some few features that got lost in the move from Win7. But they keep fooling around without understanding of the different needs for different types of use. And they aren't taking feedback from support forums. They just use arbitrary Microsoft "Certified Professionals" to write answers. So like how IE for maybe 8 years could bug out and show the menu line way below the top of the window. The response? "Don't use tabs. Use multiple windows. I have never seen the menu bar end up wrong." By a MSCP so stupid he must need help tying the shoes. Or how they for many years have had huge issues handling multiple really high-resolution monitors. There is a huge list of bugs that just remains. Because it gets filtered by these damn MSCP. Not sure if they get some bonus for writing their shitty responses on their support forum, when in reality M$ needs bug tickets sent to the people developing the programs.
Thanks for the reply - it rings true. It’s amazing to me that they have no power users guiding CX development. The arrogance of it truly shits me.
There comes a time when companies surround themselves with yes men instead of with people who actually care to criticize things and make positive changes.
Don't forget that they added a thick vertical ribbon, then they removed the side taskbar option, that's after screens went wide. So now we have this little postage stamp sized vertical space to see a page in Word. Great UI design choices there, Microsoft.
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Thank you! I can't make any changes to my work computer and it's miserable. It pretty much makes everything more difficult, from the right-click menu, to the taskbar, pinned documents, file explorer. I hate it. They also moved us from a personal drive to OneDrive so now I have put my PIN in to log into Windows, Outlook, Teams, and OneDrive. Whatever happened to single sign-on? I realize most people don't have to deal with CAC issues but just relating the state of my work computer.
People keep saying to switch to Linux as if that solves all problems and as if all software is available on Linux (it's not). I prefer Ubuntu over Windows, but switching over completely isn't an option. Also Windows 7 is still the best Windows. 10 is okay, but so much about it that I find aggravating.
10 is so much more stable than 7. 7 really nailed a lot of things, but 10 is better in just about every way except for the weird settings/control panel split that never ends.
Win10 is by far the best Windows. People overromantize Win XP. Sure, it was great. Like really, really great and a huge step forward for its time. But it wasn't as stable as Win10 and blue screens weren't that unusual + it lacks so many QoL features from Win 7/10. Remember installing drivers for literally every piece of hardware? Yeah... now you only need GPU drivers.
7 was the best since it didn't force accounts 10 is the last good MS OS. As soon as I saw where 11 was going I switched to Linux, every day happier I did.
I have *literally* started my move to Linux today. With all of the fannying about that M$ is doing with trying to introduce adverts into the Start menu (can be regeditted out, but for how long?) I think that now is my time to move on. I can use Google for office tasks and most everything else I need is via a browser. I just don't need to be constantly wrestling with Microsoft's proprietary interests and their impact on how I engage with my computer.
Yup! I'm running LMDE (Linux Mint without Ubuntu) - there's a learning curve during setup, but quick to get up and running. Libre Office is also a pretty good local Office option (since Google isn't great either), as is OpenOffice.
Service Pack 3 was where they found the perfection (for its time), XP was pretty messy at the start. I stayed on 2000 for quite a bit. Also the fact it was so easy to pirate helped a ton in spreading it.
Tbf Windows 10 and 11 are just as easy to pirate, if not more so.
For XP you needed a DVD with a pro version. It didn't even check for licensing. Those copies spread fast.
Nah, Win 7 is. Win10 is aight but win10 already started with the bullshitification
Only reason I switched to W11 was for HDR and Dolby Vision support. Don't really have any complaints, most stuff can be changed on 11, or added to 10 with extra software.
Yeah why the hell they felt the need to make you click twice to accomplish what used to take one click is so baffling a decision.
11 has tabbed file explorer and much better HDR integration. Those two features make it worth it to me. My old laptop screen was awful on windows 10. I thought the laptop just sucked but then I upgraded to 11 and it was actually very good.
Tabbed file explorer and tabbed notepad. Both very exciting to me.
What's funny is that it took till windows 11 for this to happen
> 11 looks better I'm going to have to disagree with that sentiment. Nothing about 11 looks better than 10 unless you've just been really jonesing for Windows to be MacOS.
I have no idea why Windows thought they needed to look like MacOS but I absolutely fucking hate it
Windows 11 was annoying at first but I found a few solutions to basically turn it into windows 10 in terms of looks but I can still keep some of the newer features that I kinda like. Like the layered desktop thing, it really keeps my workspaces clean when working on multiple things at once.
Can’t you access that with Win+Tab or Win+D (can’t remember the shortcut exactly) in windows 10? I’m not sure if you’re talking about the same thing, but if it’s the multiple “desktops” each with its own windows, then yes that’s already in windows 10.
Also you can toggle inbetween desktops with Ctrl + Win+(Left/Right) Arrow Keys, sequentially. EDIT: I would like to apologize, for I forgot to put the Ctrl key in my original comment.
Yep, super fucking useful for dealing with different mental spaces. You can even pin windows to appear in all desktops
WINDOWS 11 The operating system only Microsoft wanted or needed
The operating system manufacturers needed to force people to buy new PCs you mean.
The funniest thing was, that whole TPM bullshit made me buy a Mac.
*Someone who bought an Intel Mac Pro without anyone at the Apple Store mentioning Apple Silicon coming out in three months has entered that chat*
Just like me with my PowerBook G4 several months before the first Intel Macs were introduced…..
As someone that worked there when the G4 > Intel switch happened. It was a guessing game for us when the different models were going to get updated as well. I remember when we stopped getting shipments of the iBooks for about a month or so. Someone came in wanting to buy one. I urged them to not do it as I felt like there was something new about to come out. Did they listen? Nope! They proceeded to yell at me 2 weeks later when the Macbook was released that I didn't urge them more though...
This is the best you have, right? Yeah buy it. There isn’t a once in a generation earth shattering transition that’s about to happen in 3 months, right? No, you can buy it. It’s the best we have. Ok but it will be relevant for years to come, right? Many years. How many years? Entire years. How do I trust you? You know what they used to call Jobs? IntelliSteve. Our founder loved Intel. Ok. I am gonna trust you. I am sorry, my therapist says it’s an ego thing. The i in iPhone is an homage to Intel. i7, iPhone… we are basically one big family. Ok, ok. Here is the money. On the Apple Store maxi screen: #**GOOD MORNING CUPPITINO** 🗣️🗣️🗣️
Pretty much exactly. We were pitched that Apple had heard users concerns about upgradable and were going to cater to businesses again with a new modular system. Meanwhile, Apple stopped selling compatible MPX graphics cards so it's basically a laptop. I can upgrade the RAM and *maybe* an outdated PCIe AMD card but may not be 100% compatible.
I think it was Luke Miani or MKBHD who said that the 2019 Mac Pro is like building the world's fastest cruise liner when commercial flights were just around the corner. It's the Mac Pro everyone asked for, but it arrived too late.
You folks think the stores know what’s coming? News flash they have zero advanced notice, and something “coming” doesn’t help the customer today.
I absolutely unequivocally guarantee the TPM requirement will be completely removed eventually, because they’ll be so desperate to juice the adoption numbers.
I actually think Microsoft is going to double-down on this one. Windows doesn't bring in as much a share of their revenue as it used to and the bad press from Windows issues affects the whole brand.
“Windows 11 Reduced Security Edition”
I switched to linux since 2015. Still have a laptop that I bought in 2017 and a new thinkpad from two years ago. In the job I use a mac
The Phantom Menace?!
End result: Windows 10 endlessly moaning that it wants to be updated to Windows 11, except it can't cause my CPU is "too old". Good job, Microsoft :P
Windows 11 was a resale effort. Windows 10 needed secure boot integration to be compliant with new DoD Cyber security standards. Rather than it being a feature of 10 or enterprise, they pitched it as a key feature in 11. Additionally they wanted to get their foot in the door with Microsoft Sentinel thought the use of additional telemetry. Other garbage was thrown into the pile to make it taller and more feature rich.
"feature", like locked bootloaders on Android phones secure boot is nothing but a net negative for the user and good for corporations who want to make your PC obsolete faster
It should be illegal. When you buy hardware, there shouldn't be any locks.
It should but our Congress is absolutely useless and honestly wants more lockdown (see the Tiktok ban and KOSA). Unfortunately we gotta hope the EU makes it illegal
The Windows 8 of the two digit windows versions
God windows 8 was such a train wreck. They went all in on a tablet-centered OS and it backfired so gloriously on them
Here's the thing, once you installed ~~Start8~~ Classic Shell (which brought back that standard windows desktop with start menu) Windows 8 became a really excellent OS. All the optimisations of windows 10 but none of the account/spyware crap. I will die on this hill.
8.1 with classic shell.
8 was the worst. It looked awful
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At least it's not Vista. Or ME.
Vista wasn't as bad as people think it was. IF you had a powerful enough system to run it. Win7 was still way major improvement. ME was a dumpster fire...
Microsoft continues the every other OS is shit pattern. ME, Vista, 8, 11 are shit.
Side question: Did I imagine this or was there an announcement from Microsoft during the height of windows 10 that windows 10 would be the last full OS release and future releases would just be incremental? I remember thinking, at the time, how great that was and that I wouldn’t have to upgrade to a new full operating system and then of course 11 came out, etc.
I don't think it was an official announcement. My memory remembers there was just an interview with someone at Microsoft who happened to say that and then the internet took it as gospel
Microsoft never made an announcement. [Why is there a Windows 11? | PCWorld](https://www.pcworld.com/article/394724/why-is-there-a-windows-11-if-windows-10-is-the-last-windows.html) This goes over how the rumor got started. Microsoft never confirmed or denied anything but then reddit ran with it and turned it into "fact". The funny thing is that the top response to your question is 100% wrong and yet highly voted. This is how Reddit “facts” perpetuate.
Yes, you're absolutely correct. Microsoft had said that Windows 10 would be a perpetual release. The changes between major versions were getting less dramatic and they weren't anticipating any future OS to be radically different. Early upgrades of Windows 10 did change some things around, particularly with the Start menu - but after a while it mostly settled down. Maybe the executive responsible for Windows 10 left the company, they forgot about the mess made with bad Windows versions and changed their minds or something.
More like, people want credit for the launch of a new Windows version. "I upkept Windows 10" vs "I launched Windows 11" It's why Google constantly creates new products that no one asked for, only for it to shut down a year later because there was (obviously) no demand. But some people get to put on their CV them launching a product.
Ah yeah, true. It feels like a dark pattern that disincentivizes long term stability.
The entire structure of late stage capitalism disincentivizes long term stability
Sounds like a failure of C-suite leadership, that. Maybe their middle management needs different incentives to be less shit.
In Google's case it's not just the CV but also the nice bonus for making a new product. There's no nice bonus for maintaining said product
No they didn't. It was a comment made by a MS dev evangelist. Microsoft never announced this in any official capacity.
I also seem to remember this, as part of why they put so much effort into getting everyone onto Windows 10.
It's almost as if people aren't interested in less system control and OS level ads...
Nothing better than starting to click on the task bar and BOOM get a half screen ad that you accidentally click, then opens in Edge even though it's not your default browser.
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Rule of thumb: every other Windows release is ok going as far back as windows 98 98, XP, 7, 10 The garbage ME, Vista, 8, 11
The Microsoft cycle
I have a feeling that the cycle is about to be broken and that the next OS will be as bad or worse than Windows 11. They won't resist baking it with AI and even more intrusive ads.
Yep and the general UI/UX will continue getting "simplified" in the dumbest fucking ways possible. I see no reason to think Windows will ever improve at this point.
I wonder how much of that is due to folks turning off telemetry. I'm not saying telemetry is good - you should do more testing with power users. But if all your power users are turning off telemetry and you exclusively use that to make decisions, it does skew things.
I doubt this effect anything at all. Most complains are due to UI/UX changes, bloatware and redconned features.
People always forget 2000 when they say this although that's fair enough because XP was released only a year and a half later and lasted a long time.
Not really, that is because things went like this (exuding the dos based) 95(good)->98(bad)->98se(good)->ME(bad) NT3->NT4->2000 Then they converged at XP 2000 isn't mentioned because like NT it was never marketed to consumers, it was meant for servers and secure business users, therefore not really part of the timeline
Technically NT 3.1->3.5->3.51->4
I'm curious what made 98 bad compared to 95 and 98se
There really isn't anything that makes it "bad" per se. 98 SE had some major improvements, but to say 98 was "bad" compared to 95 is silly. Overall, the usability of 98 and 98 SE is near-identical, SE just added a bunch of features like shared network connections, DVD support, IE 5 (which at the time was an improvement over 4), Web Folders, and DirectX 6.1 (which was a massive improvement over DirectX 6.0, despite what the version number would imply).
2000 was mainly used in businesses so it’s probably not as recognized
To be fair, Vista was fine, the big issue with it was it was put onto crappy PCs that didn't have the specs to handle it. I can't remember if that was because Microsoft had low sys requirements or if it was the manufacturers doing it. The OS itself was good in terms of functionality but bad for performance until like SP1 I also remind people that 7 is like 90% identical to Vista with the 10% primarily being graphic changes.
I could be wrong, but I believe that Vista's Aero theme needed 3D acceleration which was not ubiquitous back then.
That's right. Aero while at the time was pretty cool and unique, there was shit for support for it from anywhere for a long time. When I used to work in a small PC shop, that was the first thing I would disable to help performance on crappy Vista machines.
The main problem was that, on release, a lot of driver support just wasn’t ready, so the experience was total crap.
My brand new top of the line business Thinkpad came with it and it was so shit that I abandoned windows/MS for the first time since 1991 for Linux. Didn't go back to windows on the machine till 10, really. Used 7 in a VM for a few things but man, vista was garbage. Once I tried to copy some files to a network drive and it took 5 minutes to calculate how long it would take and then 10 seconds to actually copy, I was done
Win 2000 was pretty good. I remember getting a top shelf Dell, being excited I was going to be running Win 2000 from XP, fired it up, was ME. Mother of all bait and switches, wound up installing 2000 soon after. Still bitter after all these years.
Windows 2000 was much better than 98 (and some would argue better than XP too).
You skipped 2000.
Also how many current windows 11 users are new owners of PC?. Most of the computers that have been purchased with windows 11 installed have no choice but use it.
Microsoft keeps pushing me to install 11 and I keep telling them to go eat a bag of dicks.
Oh, I didn’t see the “bag of dicks” button or I would have used it. I always press “refuse upgrade”
I'm not gay, but if it came down to upgrade or I eat a bag of dicks, I'd have to think it over.
Windows insists my PC isn’t powerful enough to run Windows 11.. which makes no sense to me
I bought mine with 11 and replaced it with Windows 10, I know others that have done the same.
I will likely hold onto Win10 until MS stops support next year and then just swap in a lightweight Linux distro. I no longer need full Windows capability, and complexity, but will play out my Win10 lifespan. I have zero need or desire for Win11 now -- which is apparently not a unique position.
Windows 10 LTSC IOT has security updates till 2032. Just sayin'
How do you install that, somewhat similar username?
Umm, not available to the common folk but some internet sleuthing might lead you in the right direction...
On top of that, it strips out a lot of what's stupid about Windows to begin with. I will never ever install SAC again. LTSC forever.
The almost literal only reason I'm still on Windows is thr last time I looked into Linux Steam support, it was bad. If I could game on Linux like I do on Windows, I'd drop it in a heartbeat, and then just keep a VM handy for when Windows is necessary.
You go off of this? https://www.protondb.com/explore I tried pop_os recently and had issues with my favorite game (squad) so I’m not switching at the moment but 90% of the games I tried worked perfectly.
It only takes one non working to prevent the switch.
And HDMI 2.1 not working on AMD because the HDMI forum don't want to support FOSS.
Correct, maybe two more years for it to cook some more. Steamdeck made amazing strides for Linux.
It's actually not Steam, or Linux's fault on these online games. Anti-cheat support is there, and has been. It is, at this point, quite literally on the game devs to enable support. The work has pretty much already been done. If you want it, contact the studio that makes Squad. The only thing they would have to do is include the anti-cheat.so files that are automatically generated for them in a new build. That's literally it.
Linux will have issues with gamers if they particularly like multiplayer gaming. It's a sad reality but even if it's getting better but anti cheats will be a barrier that is hard to cross.
All my games work on Linux, but the anticheat for those games rarely supports Linux.
It is funny to watch Windows repeat the same pattern over and over again... Every other version of the OS is good. XP, Windows 7, Windows 10. I knew Windows 11 would be a sucker, and if it follows the pattern 12 will be solid.
12 would have to do a whole lot of good to undo the decline they've been on ever since 7. Like stop forcing dumber UI (and keep previous interfaces available without fucking about with with registry), easy and definite ways to disable telemetry and forced automatic updates, no fucking ads in the UI, no forced Cortana/AI/Bing/Edge bullying its way into being used... None of those will happen. Windows is done being a power user OS.
You're forgetting about the setup process too: a month ago I completely restored my Windows 10 PC and I was shocked to see how absurd the setup process is. Its FULL of shit everywhere: use Cortana, use OneDrive, pay for this, for that, and let us connect your phone, and etc etc. Its sooooooo easy on the Mac and with almost no bs while on Microsoft you just wish that the next setup screen is the last but it never is. Setting up Windows 10 is a pain in the ass, can't imagine Windows 11
Newer versions of Windows don't even allow local accounts either.
Open CMD, unplug ethernet and enter /oobe bypassnro I'll do it every time just because of how hard they try to hide it.
They really want us to switch to macOS/Linux dont they?
I knew I wasn't going to like windows 11 as soon as I upgraded and I tried to put my taskbar back on the left side of my far left monitor like I've always done and it wouldn't let me. Between little shit like that and ADs and Edge being shoved down my throat they can properly fuck off.
Jesus Edge is annoying. You replace it as default browser, but now it's also the "default program" for like 50 different file extensions that used to just open with default browser.
I liked the UI changes in windows 11 but it introduced several bugs. I tried reporting them and they never got fixed. I started using Linux for my home workstation andy work still uses windows 10. This also isn't unique to windows 11. I interface with a bunch of Microsoft products in an IT setting and it seems like each release has a few bugs which causes a severe regression in productivity. I'm not sure what's going on in their QA testing.
>I'm not sure what's going on in their QA testing. Nothing's going on in that department. It doesn't exist. [The QA team was laid off about 10 years ago.](https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/20140806183208-12100070-why-did-microsoft-lay-off-programmatic-testers) The users are the testers now.
>I'm not sure what's going on in their QA testing. Laying off human testers thinking they can be totally replaced with Playwright automation
I have windows 10 and cannot update to 11 even if I wanted to. They hardware locked me out with that dumb requirement.
[You mean the security requirement that’s already been compromised?](https://www.tomsguide.com/news/billions-of-pcs-and-other-devices-vulnerable-to-newly-discovered-tpm-20-flaws) There’s already been more found since then, too…
> Microsoft killing some of the system's unique features, such as Windows Subsystem for Android. That was the only vaguely interesting thing about win 11. MS seems to be doing a Google, killing products and shutting things down, > similar to how the company scrapped its VR platform, Windows Mixed Reality, in late 2023. Eventually people will have to turn off windows updates just to keep the features they want to not be removed. 😅
I had to upgrade my laptop from 10 to 11 to keep the Windows Subsystem for Linux. After the update my mousepad didn’t work(USB mouse worked fine so I always needed to have one on me), and it was only a year and a half later I learned my laptop actually had the capability to disable the mousepad with a hot key. Evidently the update chose to enable this functionality which I had never enabled before. Suffice to say I hope they keep WSL support going for 10 for my desktop until 12 comes out to rectify all the obvious mistakes of 11.
God 11 sucks. They followed the Apple design ethos of “Let’s ignore the changes that users actually want or need and instead fuck up a bunch of random stuff for no valid reason other than making their lives difficult.”
If my next personal computer is not a Mac, I’ll just put Mint on it. I deal with Microsoft’s shenanigans on my work pc and am not a fan of fixing everything that breaks after every “update”. Windows 7 was the best Windows there was, only needed a dark mode. Everyone knows Windows 8 was so terrible that it was replaced with 8.1, and Windows 10 (although much better than 8) is prone to terrible bugs after every update and hardly improved on anything. I mean, it launched and had two different control panels for a long time (original Control Panel and Settings) and still has internet explorer as a core operating function! Windows 11, although I’ve never used it, will definitely not be an improvement based on what I’ve heard about it.
I think your comment really highlights the duality of Windows being built for businesses but collaterally being a home use OS pulling it in opposite directions and subsequently creating a lesser product. Ideally, businesses want an OS that’s stable, with a known lifecycle, and a predictable update cycle that doesn’t crash. Funny enough that’s LTSC but it’s not compatible with enough software. Really the ideal business OS is more appliance like than anything else. On the other hand MS wants to tap into that sweet sweet home computer market and pull telematics back for data gathering and revenue generation. The requirements for this are not conducive to the above stated business priorities. The problem is they’re selling more or less the same product to both parties.
Windows 7 was all I ever needed. You could put me back on Win7 and I would miss absolutely nothing, despite being a somewhat demanding power-user. Even its design seems modern enough in 2024.
I can’t even update to 11 despite having a beast of a computer
I have experience with every major Windows release going back to Windows 2.x. [I installed it for a third party who was going to be using it for desktop publishing. But my first real engagement with Windows was the rather buggy Windows 3.0, whose memory management was only barely compatible with my *very* expensive 80386 'hot rod' custom computer.] I don't despise Windows 11, but I far prefer Windows 10 in almost every respect. And the invasive qualities of Windows 11 and their continual and totally obnoxious push of their Edge browser is *thoroughly alienating.*
With a 12900K and a fast M.2 running Windows 11, I swear at times it feels like my machine in 1997 navigated Windows Explorer faster. Of course, not an issue in Windows 10.
Vista and win7 all over again, 12 will be ok, MS always has to shit the bed then overcorrect into a half decent os. Culture hasn’t changed, so software cycle won’t.
The things that suck about 11 (ads, telemetry and forced microsoft account) are not going away. Sure the right click menu thing is anoying, but Win11's issues go beyond usability and bug fixes. It is the general direction that is bothering me: an OS build to steal my data. And 12 won't change that.
It's gonna be hell when windows 10 stops getting security updates
The big turn off for me was how hard Windows 11 tries to look like a Mac. I don't know who it is that thinks Macs have great user experiences, but it's definitely not me.
it's almost like it has no benefits whatsoever and is just windows 10 with fucking adware.
I just don't have a reason to upgrade. And it doesn't help that people don't really give me reasons, but instead try to guilt me into feeling lazy and fearful of new things. I had a perfect opportunity to install 11 during my newest PC build, but I looked into it, and there's no real features that push me into wanting to install it over 10. Performance doesn't even seem that much improved. Just a bunch of negatives like more bloatware, and a far less user friendly UI. Gettin strong Win8 vibes from what I've seen. Oh, and Microsoft shoving it in my face every few weeks is having the complete opposite effect they were going for.
I had Windows 11 deployed to my work computer two weeks ago. It actually slowed my computer down. So, so annoying.
Win 11 is the worst. 10 is easier to navigate by a huge margin.
I hope they make a last minute decision and decide 11 was just a fever dream like 8 & Vista and drop it... Windows 11 is dumpster fire for even basic office ops functionality....really loathing the idea of needing to roll it out early next year if the Eol for 10 sticks...
Nothing but issues on my 11 box while developing. Constant network glitches , Outlook and teams are falling apart, etc. It's pretty bad.
I want a vertical taskbar!
Satya Nadella told the investors, if they put him in charge of Windows he would make it profitable. He is the Nolen Sorrento of our time, he would gladly cover your entire display in ads if he could. This is the guy that laid off thousands ans then had a multimillion dollar party the next day.
Perhaps it's because they refuse to allow Windows 11 to run on some modern processors for... Reasons I guess.
I wonder why...
It's Windows 98 all over again. And Windows Vista all over again. And Windows 8 all over again.
How to stay on windows 10 - you're welcome https://www.tenforums.com/tutorials/159624-how-specify-target-feature-update-version-windows-10-a.html
As a sysadmin, working on 11 is a huge pain in the ass. ESPECIALLY any module that was moved from the control panel to an unsophisticated abridged version of the settings page.
Windows has one more chance to make a good operating system with Windows 12, otherwise I'll happily downgrade again to 10
I installed windows 11 three times for a game machine and had to watch a youtube video to figure out how to disable all the garbage. I feel bad for Windows users.
Windows 11 has been out for two years and only represents 20% of Windows installs? Thats crazy!
Windows 11 always defaults to "Group By" in file explorer and I fucking hate it, it's a few extra clicks every time I need to browse files. I can't find a solution anywhere. Any fix is always temporary until I close the window. I want to Group By (None) for always and forever.
It's been downhill since Windows 2008/Windows 7. Windows 7 was a perfect desktop OS.
As Windows creeps closer and closer to being a subscription, it'll be more and more important to keep a stable, functional version of your favorite OS and programs. No way I'm gonna pay monthly for an OS with some patchwork AI
Hardly any CPU is supported by Windows 11 so no one is going to install it.
I'm holding out on 10 until the security updates stop. Then I'm off to Linux-land.
Windows 11– for those who want ads and OS-breaking updates.
ngl windows 11 is actually a hunk of shit i hate it so much microsoft should've just stopped at 10 like they said they would
Sorry: your hardware doesn't meet minimum requirements.... Yes it does, you just want me to buy your brand new hardware drm scheme with w11, and I am both too poor to buy it, and my current hardware works just fine. So what is w11 then if it both refuses (easily, upfront etc, as you can still load w11 regardless of hardware warning), and doesn't do anything better than current w10. At this stage Microsoft needs to pivot and have one free OS, and keep market control. Any more of this and more and more people will choose linux, or give up and switch to android chrome or apple with their 'simplicity' of use...
I don't understand why they have to upgrade all the time. I did not gain anything new since windows 7. It actually looked better than win 10.
some weeks ago i opened my laptop and that 11 was downloading, i am sure i never said yes at any point. then i read its not a good idea to cancel it when it already began. i was so angry, cause everything was running smooth for years, also in music production.
I must be weird. Windows 11 has been great for me. Added nice features and made tablet usability better.
I upgraded to 11 shortly after it released and its just "shrug". It basically made no difference to my life with the one exception of the Android Sub System allowing me to run a couple of Android apps that are better than their web counter part lol.
Fuck windows 11