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QuantumWarrior

Waves of methane-ethane, it's worth noting.


Large_slug_overlord

So the sea is somewhere between -182 C and -161 C. Which is a bit too chilly to swim.


thespeeeed

Nonsense you’re only saying that because no one ever has


Toss_Away_93

Unexpected Princess Bride.


AverageDemocrat

You'd be only mostly dead


DarkMango5

Mostly dead is slightly alive. With all dead, well, with all dead there’s usually only one thing you can do.


Cursedbythedicegods

Go through his pockets and look for loose change!


Serious_Coconut2426

Haunt tf out of people.


EC_CO

Exactly! It's only a *hypothesis* until valid scientific testing is done along with a peer reviewed and validated publication edit: corrected


thespeeeed

Think I definitely want my swim cap to avoid brain freeze if I test it out.


EC_CO

Could you reverse brain freeze by holding boiling hot coffee in your mouth?


thespeeeed

Probably depends on the pressures there. Boiling might not be very hot by Earth standards.


halosos

Well, Titan has a thicker atmosphere than Earth, at about 1.5 bars vs Earth's 1. That puts water at a boiling point of 110'c So make sure your coffee is hotter than you would make it here on earth.


thespeeeed

Still blows my mind that we’ve landed a probe on Titan’s surface. It’s a cool place!


halosos

I bet you are looking forward to the dragonfly mission!


QueervyPancakes

you would definitely override the sensation with pain receptors….


PescTank

DEFINITELY don’t do it until at least an hour after you last ate. Could be dangerous.


thespeeeed

Yeah who knows what kind of leeches are in that sea.


IAMA_Plumber-AMA

You mean hypothesis. Theory happens after peer review.


MarveltheMusical

Well, I don’t know if I’d want to build a summer home there, but the trees are quite lovely.


branstarktreewizard

Don't start a fire


CampCounselorBatman

You’re more than welcome to give it a try!


thespeeeed

Tomorrow. I’ve already been swimming today.


MrDrDude333

Right it's only the first few seconds that it is hard to catch your breath. Who needs to remember their name and shit.


thespeeeed

My friend if I’ve been holding my breath since Earth, what’s a little immersion in cryogenic mostly organic liquid?


MrDrDude333

It's full immersion, which is what us humans strive for!


GeminiKoil

Everything's a beach if you're brave enough


Illustrious-Falcon-8

Wim Hoff would argue


experfailist

...that we know of....


Ormusn2o

This is actually perfect temperature to liquid cool your superconductors. A bunch of them are in that perfect zone between -182 C and -161 C, so you would not need much work to cool them down. Send down a supercomputer in a sub, land it on a lake, let the methane ice thaw and sink down the sub. Eject a buoy on a cable so you have connection to a satellite around Titan, and you got supercomputer built with superconductors. The coolest methane always flows to the bottom of the lake, and the lake has huge surface area to radiate out the heat, and you even got methane atmosphere to speed it up. YBCO is at this exact temperature, and you can mass produce it.


BrandnewThrowaway82

Yes to all the science things you just said.


Ormusn2o

Computers hate hot temperature, on Titan a lot of very cold fluids, dunk computers in very cold fluids on Titan = profit.


megamanxoxo

> Eject a buoy on a cable so you have connection to a satellite around Titan, and you got supercomputer built with superconductors How are you getting a super computer to titan? Powerful electronics that work on Earth don't fare well in space.


Ormusn2o

Technically, the electronics in the supercomputer would be under 100 feet of liquid methane, which, while not an amazing radiation shielding, 100 feet of it is going to make wonders for it. The only problem would be actually the communications, so the satellites would lose some of their effectiveness, resulting in more of them needed than normal. This is also more of a further in the future proposition, at least 20 decades in the future, likely more. But if you mean transport electronics though saturn radiation zones, then the ship could easily have few inches of polyethylene shielding, if you bring a ship big enough, then the shielding will weight almost nothing.


michaelrohansmith

Larry Niven wrote a story about an astronaut stranded on Pluto. He runs out of air and commits suicide on the surface. His brain wakes up again, using superconductivity instead of normal ion transfer, etc. His brain works slowly and he becomes aware of native animals on the surface which appear to operate in similar ways. Sunlight heats him up so he is only active at night. Which gets me thinking about native life on Titan which naturally exploits superconductivity.


Ormusn2o

Oh, because your body will not decompose on Pluto, you just run out of oxygen and can't use chemical ion reactions. This is pretty smart.


CaveRanger

There have been a couple of proposed Titan submarine rovers that would be powered by the methane, as well.


InevitableShuttler

Ever tested a buoy and cables in -161C in liquid methane and see how long they last? If you run those cables from a box housing the electronics, you would need to seal those cables, not sure if there's anything flexible that will withstand that cold liquid methane for prolonged periods of time.


Prof_Acorn

Bets on which comes first: doing this for advanced computing for science or doing this to mine crypto.


Ormusn2o

I mean, computing is computing. If we can do it off world better, so be it. Crypto is pretty big part of the market, but it seems computing in general seems to be much bigger, especially now with AI. Considering that superconductors could be hundreds of times more powerful than room temperature computers, and that more and more, costs of computing go toward power and cooling, there might be some huge gains on supercomputers on Titan.


BokehJunkie

You can’t tell me what to do. 


PhotoGuy2k

Titan needs a Polar Bear Club


Large_slug_overlord

You can neatly sweep up the participants after they shatter on the ground.


Idle_Redditing

The Titan Human Ice Cube Club.


jayforwork21

I did a [polar bear club plunge] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polar_bear_plunge) when I lived in Coney Island, I think I can handle this


Nice_Cum_Dumpster

I am built different


Krail

It's a bit too chilly for *you* to swim.


PhantomZmoove

-359 F in case anyone else was wondering!


HandiCAPEable

Somebody isn't into the whole cold plunge trend I see.


MachoPollo

You just don’t want us to surf your secret spot


f0gax

Not with that attitude!


BandysNutz

That's not what Wim Hof says.


nbdy1745

Summer day at the beach in Scandinavia


fragglerock

"It s fine once your in!" : My mum


Scairax

Remember you can do anything once, it's just that some things can only be done once.


get_laird

Wim Hof says otherwise


BigHowski

Unless, of course, you're from Newcastle


TacTurtle

Just fine for Finns to plunge in after sauna.


Ackmiral_Adbar

Just jump in without thinking about it. You'll get used to it faster.


Ch3t

Have you been outside this week?


Top_File_8547

I bet a member of the polar bear club would try. That would be nothing for them.


JellyDenizen

With a good wetsuit you'd be fine /s


pyrocryptic29

A new meaning to polar baer plunge


pentangleit

As a Brit, I’ve had worse.


Goat_Wizard_Doom_666

Perfect for a cold-dip. Just keep your hands out of the ~~water~~ methane-ethane and you'll be fine.


Addictd2Justice

Freezing cold and smelly. And I thought St Kilda beach was bad


canadianleroy

Laughs in Canadian…


10fingers6strings

Significant shrinkage at best.


Maxamillion-X72

The hardest part is the wading in is getting past the knees. It's all fun and games until your private parts hits the surf


kiges75

You must be a millennial. Back in my day we would swim in -200 degree water to work. It was up stream both ways.


mrchaddy

Scotland’s beaches are colder.


Specialist-Ad-8390

Not with that attitude


TheTjalian

Speak for yourself. I now finally have an excuse when I get asked that question.


LoveAndViscera

Just chucking Ewoks into a liquid fart!


Drink_Covfefe

Lots of hydrocarbon chemistry!


TheVenetianMask

I guess there's probably not a lot going on at those temps, but it's like, billions of years of gunk that was irradiated by UV and cosmic rays in the atmosphere in every way possible. Things would get crazy in that soup by adding any heat.


CaveRanger

There's a very interesting scifi short story Stephen Baxter about humans exploring a kuiper belt asteroid inhabited by a species of ultra-low metabolism sentients with a life cycle based on the rotation of the asteroid. They spend the 'night' as mobile, migratory nomads, and when dawn breaks they try to settle onto sunward slopes to store up energy for reproduction and the nighttime journey. Part of the story takes place from the perspective of one of these critters, which sees a human, even in a vacuum suit, as a blazing ball of energy and light, and their ships are basically apocalyptic events for the tribes of critters. The story ends with >!a description of the critter's heroic charge as it tries to frighten off the terrifying sun-people, where it sprints down a slope, then dies of old age as the sun comes up, despairing that it's not in a position where it will be able to store enough energy to reproduce. The human that witnesses this event remarks "hey, that weird thing fell down a hill, d'you think it's alright?"!< At least, that's what I recall. I need to go back and read that book again.


TheDangerdog

I thought that one was part of the xeelee sequence. I do love Baxter though him and Neal Asher are my absolute favs


dern_the_hermit

Probably not anything complex, no, but I hold some curiosity over ultra-low-metabolism microscopic things possibly getting on.


Festival_of_Feces

If there are entire lakes of methane on Titan, wouldn’t there have been organic life or at least _water_ reacting with minerals at one time?


YeaISeddit

It’s actually in Titan’s atmosphere that the interesting chemistry is happening. The atmosphere is basically a huge Miller-Urey experiment, producing all kinds of prebiotic molecules including amino acids.


Seicair

But where does the methane come from? > The methane in Titan’s atmosphere is what makes its complex atmospheric chemistry possible, but where all that methane comes from is a mystery. Because sunlight continuously breaks down methane in Titan’s atmosphere, some source must be replenishing it or it would be depleted over time. Researchers suspect methane could be belched into Titan's atmosphere by cryovolcanism—volcanoes releasing chilled water instead of molten rock lava—but they’re not certain if this or some other process is responsible. https://science.nasa.gov/saturn/moons/titan/facts/


StealAllTheInternets

It's all the space cows


Festival_of_Feces

My extremely limited understanding of methane is that it comes either from decaying biological material OR certain minerals bumping up against each other AND water. Then, as we know, water precedes life. So…


michaelrohansmith

Carbon and hydrogen? Like oxygen and hydrogen here


TheVenetianMask

Plus near any cryovolcanos that may be bringing enough heat to the surface.


Peakomegaflare

Well, that's still a useful chemical.


Defiant_Elk_9861

But without noting it and emphasizing waves, you get more clicks!


feor1300

I dunno, I read "liquid hydrocarbon waves" and thought "Ah, Space Force makes sense now."


RedofPaw

Oh, I'm sorry, I'm just a methane-ethane mechant. And you have the brass balls to say my job - my LIFE'S WORK - is worthless??


Waarm

Is there an echo in here?


sactomkiii

So in need of freedom got it


cbbuntz

Also worth noting that you'd sink to the bottom if you swam in methane, so don't go for a swim if you ever find yourself on Titan


dittbub

Good thing I have this deep sea diver pod!


Corriander_Is_Soap

It’s fine once you’re in.


Deathcorebassist

Asha lives in it. She’s very nice and helped us kill the embodiment of darkness


Actual-Money7868

Let's turn the whole moon into a refuelling station.


ManChildMusician

If you do a time lapse of a sandy desert, you’ll see that they move in a wavelike fashion. Essentially we have possible evidence of movement and therefore potential for mechanical weathering.


UltimateXavior

[I… am my own *god*](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SH-5djlb2m8)


dittbub

Would I float or sink?


Oregonian_male

I want life to be fond here it would be so different


parker9832

If it’s found, I will be fond of the discovery.


Oregonian_male

Opps that what i get for commenting at 5am


parker9832

Happens to the best of us.


truthlesshunter

And the worst too


jabronimax969

If anything, thank you for that gem!


HardCorwen

You need better early morning "opps" for sure.


shiggy__diggy

If life is discovered and you can cook it, I would be fond of deglazing the pan


sorte_kjele

I would use it for a fondue


Br3ttl3y

I don't know about you, but I want fond life found.


Noblesseux

I think finding life basically anywhere else is going to be one of the biggest scientific moments of the century. If we can find proof that even very primitive life developed elsewhere, it immediately opens up the possibility that somewhere else in the universe that there are other species like ours out there and changes a lot of our model of how the universe works.


Scared_Midnight_2823

I was discussing with my gf the discovery of sugars and other organic compounds like alcohol just floating around in massive clouds in space far away from any star.. It made me think.. What if there was some life form that just lived in deep space and somehow uses those resources and metabolizes them? Like maybe some life that spawned on an icey asteroid not even in a star system.... It would be funny if they discovered earth and were like "WHAT!? THEY LIVE ON A PLANET... WITH GRAVITY AND AN ATMOSPHERE?? NEAR A STAR?? HOW ARENT THEY INSTANTLY CRUSHED AND BOILED ALIVE?!" like they could be equally blown away by us after assuming all the conditions on Earth would be far too hostile for their version of life just like we do with the vacuum of space and no gravity. They could have their minds completely blown at the idea of us even being able to leave and re enter our planets gravity well after their scientist just wrote it off as impossible long ago. I bet any life we find is going to be like that to us where scientists are gonna feel like fucking idiots for just making a lot of wrong assumptions about how alien life could potentially exist


michaelrohansmith

> biggest scientific moments of the century Thats an understatement. Potentially the biggest discovery in the history of the Earth.


WizzoPQ

I want to fondle the life there


necrotoxic

Ok captain Kirk


Eric_the_Barbarian

Given the differences in temperature, that would likely cause thermal injuries to both organisms.


redskullington

Fond if true


Ok_Marzipan_8137

I’m fond of the idea of finding it


namitynamenamey

Me too, buddy, me too...


Capt_Pickhard

Why aren't tides a possible explanation?


woodchips24

Tides have a pretty specific set of gravitational requirements in order to occur. IIRC the fact that the earth has tides is pretty spectacular coincidence, and is caused by our moon being much larger and closer than average. You probably don’t get that same specific set of forces on Titan


columbio

Titan is a moon. Won't it have tidal influence from Saturns gravity?


brufleth

Titan is tidally locked with Saturn, so you wouldn't get the gravitational pull cycle you would get with it rotating faster/slower. It does have an elliptical orbit so maybe you get some change due to that as the elliptical orbits of the moon around the earth and earth around the sun can impact tidal forces. Still missing out on the biggest reason for our tides here on earth though. I found an article/blurb about this: https://www.astronomy.com/science/does-titan-experience-any-tides-in-its-oceans-or-is-it-tidally-locked-with-no-tides/


michaelrohansmith

Titan is kept warm by its partly elliptical orbit.


Small-Palpitation310

our moon is tidally locked with earth


brufleth

And if the moon had bodies of liquid the tidal forces would be limited to those from the elliptical nature of its orbit and the sun. The earth rotates at a different speed than the moon orbits which is responsible for most of our tides. If we were tidally locked with the moon (and not the other way around), our tides would be much much smaller.


cachemonet0x0cf6619

this was my thought


Astrodos_

All large moons in our solar system are tidally locked and couldn’t have tides as we do on earth because of that. The gravitational pull from their planets is always on one location so the tide would not change.


cachemonet0x0cf6619

TIL. thank you


gmil3548

Earths moon is super close and large (in comparison to the planet). Most moons don’t have nearly as much gravitational effect plus the planets with moons often have many, whose gravity will offset each other somewhat. It’s because of how the moon was formed from debris ejected into space after a collision with a large mass object.


Capt_Pickhard

>This varying pull causes bulges on Titan, also called solid "tides." Near the middle of Titan's orbit around Saturn (quadrature), there is still sufficient pull to cause a gravitational distortion, or deviation from a spherical shape. Tides on Titan raised by Saturn's gravity can be as high as 30 feet (10 meters). https://science.nasa.gov/resource/squeezing-and-stretching-titan/


brufleth

Titan is tidally locked with Saturn. Like Earth's moon the same face always points at Titan. If there are tides, they would need to be due to other moons (influence of the sun would be _very_ week out there).


redbirdrising

Same reason you don’t see Tides on the Great Lakes. The bodies of methane there aren’t big enough to show significant affects of tides.


Capt_Pickhard

I think on this case the actual moon bulges quite a lot, and viscosity of the liquid isn't the same. I see your point though, and you're probably right.


souldust

>but future crewed missions to Titan whhaaaattt???!!!! :D >should probably pack some surfboards just in case. oh GOD DAMNIT


istasber

Assuming you had a suit capable of keeping you alive, I wonder if you *could* surf on a lake of what's essentially liquid natural gas. The surface tension and your buoyancy would be way different, and titan has like 1/5 the gravity of earth. It's a cool thought experiment.


Seicair

No, the density of liquid methane is less than half that of water. We’re about as dense as water. We’d sink straight to the bottom. Edit- you said surf, not swim. Possibly, but it’d require a substantially larger board? I don’t know much about the mechanics of surfing, is it possible the board needed to float would be too large to surf on? It would also probably need some kind of polar coating. Styrofoam might be great for flotation, but it’ll probably dissolve in liquid methane. (Though it might be slow enough to be useful for some time. I’m not really sure.)


SQLDave

Sounds like a good submission to XKCD's "What If?"


istasber

I had the same thought, but doing a bit of googling and it sounds like, between the low density and the lack of any real surface tension, coupled with the mass of a human being, liquid methane would be closer to a thick fog than liquid water. It still might be fun to imagine what a surfboard would look like in this situation (how large the surface area would have to be, and how low the mass would have to be, to function similarly to a typical surfboard on earth)


mekquarrie

Surface tension in a polar liquid (i.e. water) is the answer. Buoyancy allows for swimming, floating, surfing, skimming. Ethane etc. are non polar. You'll fall almost literally between the molecules...


BambiToybot

Titan wouldnt be the hardest rock to keep humans alive on, I believe the surface pressure is 1.5xs ours, so you wouldn't need pressurized suits, just heated ones.


orthecreedence

The crews will land and immediate see a "VALLEY GO HOME" sign


byPCP

those aren't mountains... they're waves


SDFprowler

You tell that to Doyle..


BetterCallSal

No. It's necessary


jcgam

It's extremely cold, and the methane-ethane is super saturated in the atmosphere, because it rains. This reminds me of the conditions we use to prepare cloud chambers here on Earth for the purpose of visualizing the passage of ionizing radiation. It's possible that in some areas on Titan you could see millions of these cloud tracks all over the surface, including over the lakes.


Sharpeagle96

I wonder how Asha and Slone are doing over there?


Skruffyyy

Scrolled further than I thought I would for a Destiny reference lol


twinpop

Yeah me too we’ve seen the waves on Titan ourselves.


godslayeradvisor

Hanging around with the fishes we dumped from the HELM, perhaps.


Lonelan

Whether we've wanted it or not, we've found a Destiny thread in an unrelated sub. So let's start pulling out all the Destiny memes, one by one. Zavala's Mars strike intro. From what I can gather, he tasks the fireteam with finding a Cabal general directing operations from a land tank outside of Rubicon. It's commonly repeated, but with the right edits, we can punch through the repetition, whip this pasta out, and farm some upvotes.


HouseKilgannon

Now that's some strong tusk


SGTBookWorm

Transmat firing!


JudgeRealistic8341

Kurt Vonnegut already told us this


Pork_Bastard

Mines of Titan going to turn out to be a documentary-based game. Graphics were super realistic too, HAH


vegetable57

Someone else’s paradise….


fluffy_assassins

That's cold.


Financier2024

Not a huge surprise. Titan has storms, clouds, lightning, rain, dunes, rivers, and more. We know the winds are strong and interact with the surface. We know there are mare (seas). We know waves ought to be there. We’ve also seen ripples on the surface, though they were sub-millimeter waves IIRC. Still, evidence of larger waves helps us further develop models and is exciting!!


Express_Helicopter93

I’m confused. Wouldn’t any body of water have a shoreline that is shaped by waves? Why is this noteworthy?


UltimateStratter

No, there’s been a debate ongoing for many decades about whether or not titan’s lakes actually have waves. We know there is wind, and low gravity, so waves seem likely. But the images we have show (almost) mirror smooth lakes. So people have been thinking about alternative explanations for why there might be no waves (a wet mudflat or a more solid “crust” forming above the lakes f.ex), or even if you do assume there are waves (which seems likely these days), what exactly these look like and how they function (which says a lot about the climate). High resolution sat imagery (good enough to more accurately spot smaller waves) won’t come in for at least another decade, so this is an alternative method to try and get closer to solving the debate.


SheriffComey

I believe Cassini's radar demonstrated mm wave heights. Not sure if it was verified.


UltimateStratter

At first potentially and over time more and more likely, but even towards the end the exact properties and behaviour of the waves was still an important question since the waves were tiny compared to what was expected. It’s mostly just a lot of theoretical “probably’s” in terms of what and how


Express_Helicopter93

Really cool. Thanks for explaining!


CPNZ

Waves of liquid methane and ethane...


Idle_Redditing

Why would this be surprising? Titan has a thick atmosphere so wind generated by differences in temperature and pressure would create waves.


fightin_blue_hens

As opposed to being shaped by what? Fairies?


rantottcsirke

Shorelines do be like that sometimes.


Kornigraphy

Okay then let’s just go there and find out. Duh.


Sniffy4

Cowabunga d00ds


bewarethetreebadger

Waves of what though? Amonia? Methane?


Mapkos13

liquid hydrocarbon


Dig-a-tall-Monster

Literal oceans of hydrocarbons, who in the US government dropped the ball on sending Freedom and Democracy^tm to Titan?


Seventh_Planet

So it's not impossible to imagine somewhere on Titan there being a part of a ship where the front fell off because a wave hit it?


Mal-De-Terre

Not typically.


TheWiseScrotum

Subnautica fear intensifies


GoPhinessGo

You would be dead of hypothermia long before anything on Titan could kill you


Baremegigjen

Interesting tidbit of information: Cassini Huygens was launched 26 years and 8 months ago tomorrow (launched October 27, 1997) on a Titan IVB rocket from Cape Canaveral, and took almost 7 years to get there (6 years, 261 days).


kid_blue96

Tide goes in, tide goes out..


xzyleth

Arthur C Clarke was right! Mr. Mackenzie is on his way.


ArchDucky

It also looks like an upside down angry lizard so clearly they worship Godzilla on Titan. He is a titan so that makes sense.


Pumpkin-Main

New photos show evidence of heavy snow, industrial structures, and eyeless dogs :^)


tubescreemer

Brand, Doyle, back to the Ranger, now!


froyolobro

*instagram cold plungers have entered the chat