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I figured it out on the third memory. I think they want people to go: *"Wow, why on earth would they be mentioning this super random thing? Boy that would suck. Huh, probably nothing will come of it."*
I got that one and was just filled with immediate dread. "Oh shit, that's the Checkoviest Checkov's gun that ever Checkoved". I then spent the next few hours rationalizing that it couldn't be Zelda.
> I then spent the next few hours rationalizing that it couldn't be Zelda.
It's funny, I was kind of okay with it until I watched the last two memories. Those messed me up. I still feel messed up more than a week later.
I wish they'd not gone that route. But that's because of how I fill in the story gaps, and what I wanted (and did not get) from Tears of the Kingdom.
Even having beat the game, I still kind of hate seeing the light dragon floating around. For a while it nearly ruined the whole game for me.
After some time I accepted it. It's a really ballsy and creative solution to the problem. Personally, I would've liked it if the Master Sword was just that level of broken now and needed some Zonai tech enhancement to fix it after the Sword had been used for so long. Perhaps we're getting to that point, as it seems to be getting really brittle in these newer games, and it would be an interesting direction for the series to take.
Yeah, I would have preferred that too.
Speaking of the Master Sword. Looking at it, again, injecting my interpretation into the gaps of story, if I were Link; I would have been furious with the Master Sword. Like, if it wasn't Zelda's "last wish" that Link use it; he would have been "chucked it into mount Doom" levels of furious.
> After some time I accepted it. I
It's still up in the air if I'll ever be able to. Knowing how it ends helps. But that dragon is just a constant floating reminder that Nintendo squandered one of the best iterations of Zelda they've ever created. I think it would have been infinitely more interesting if she was in the game and played an active role in the story.
I think if people view Zelda's story as purely a "sacrifice one's self for the greater good" archetype, then it's a really good story.
But what I liked most about Breath of the Wild were all the little personal moments and sub-plots. Zelda struggling with not having her power, Revali being jealous of Link, Mipha being thirsty for Link, and on and on. There is so much of that packed into Breath of the Wild.
In TOTK, I feel like it got really stripped down to tell that bigger story about saving the world and everyone involved sacrificing to accomplish that goal. Without a lot of the flavor that made it interesting in BOTW. The sages got some flavor, Zelda and Link got very little. I mean, other than her sacrificing herself for eternity. They could have put so much more into that. But nope, it's just "save Hyrule please Link!" and so little of the weight of that sacrifice seems felt in the moment by either character.
Like I said, the story has been burning a hole in my brain for over a week and I can't seem to shut up about it lol.
I havenāt finished the story yet (Iāve been aggressively avoiding it so that I can explore the world in some just of ADHD fuelled distraction binge), so please no spoilers, but I have finished all the geoglyph memories.
The way I see it, Zeldaās sacrifice isnāt just to prepare the Master Sword for Link to carry again, it also appears to be her only way of making it back to the present herself as well. She never got the chance to learn how to master her time powers from what I have seen, so the only way for her to make it back home is to sacrifice herself the way she did.
The game says that to do so is to lose oneās self, but I assume the she has enough faith in Link that she believes he may be able to save her in some way.
Like I said though, I havenāt finished the story yet, so I will probably be wrong
I will avoid ending spoilers.
> The game says that to do so is to lose oneās self, but I assume the she has enough faith in Link that she believes he may be able to save her in some way.
I thought this as well for a bit, and I wish I could agree with you. But she says some things in the memories I think suggest she thought she probably would never be able to change back or be saved, at the very least. There is a cutscene, the memory between 17 and 18, which I won't spoil, but someone tells her this explicitly.
She's told *"You can never change back."* and responds *"It's something I have to do."*
In memory 17 she also says "I will be *forever changed*"
I've said this elsewhere, but there are hints she, and everyone else is wrong.
For example, the "loose one's self" part of the quote Mineru references. The fact, at the beginning of the game you interact with her. She seems to be able to talk with you with her mind somehow a couple times, The tears themselves are evidence that her memories are not lost or gone, just not forefront. The memory after retrieving the Master Sword shows her still there on some level. Stuff like that. She's not gone, gone.
So, maybe, somewhere in the back of her mind she thought Link might be able to save her somehow. But I think there is a much stronger suggestion that she thinks she's basically killing herself, and being lost to live as a dragon for eternity. Everyone who knows about it in the game seems to think the same thing.
The only person who even suggests at even trying to fix her at all, is Impa at the end of the memories quest. And after saying that, when you encounter her later, she says something like "yeah, I'm trying to find something, nothing so far!" Every other NPC I've run into, and every story element I see treats her like she's dead. And they do it so casually, with so little emotion.
I think I understand why Nintendo took the story that direction, and why they are so explicit about "this is a change for forever." And I don't like it. I won't spoil part of it. But I think the other part of it is that they are using it as a cheap way to pull the heartstrings. And it works at accomplishing that.
But, like I said above, it still lacks so much of the personal touch and expanding on her character. The sacrifice is noble, and heroic. The most emotion you get out of the whole thing is from a character in one memory (again, won't spoil if you've not seen it yet). And then Zelda's eyes being all shakey in memory 18 to hint she's terrified about what she's doing. It's heartbreaking, and awful, as the player who's invested in the story. But no one else seems to give a crap. Link shows more emotion over a well cooked meal, than he does when finding out that his friend, or whatever she is to him, is gone forever.
People say that Link is a blank slate with no character, but that's not true. He shows emotion, he has shown a lot of emotion in past games. But Nintendo didn't want to let him even have a crumb of attachment for the person he died (or nearly died) to protect and saved the world for.
I dunno. Again, like I said above, I think you can insert a lot into the story. But it would have been much better if Nintendo had bothered to show some of this. It would have been more impactful and meaningful.
I also think they definitely should have put *some* hope into the story that Zelda could be saved. I know why they didn't, but they easily could have. Heck, maybe it is there and I've just not found it yet.
"well there is a way we could get you to the future, but here's the in-depth process on how to do so and also exactly why we never would ever do it...
....so that was just a pointless suggestion that we definitely won't ever do and I brought it up for no reason."
>!I had no idea was coming until I got there. I still don't get how Gannondorf even knew what swallowing the stone would do. Zelda showing up at the end to help in the fight was also something I didn't predict.!<
>!When I got to the fight it was like "Ohh, now I get why the did the story like this." Also, the imagery that looked ripped straight out of Spirited Away. I think they could have done the story better...a lot better. But yeah.!<
No idea how to spoiler but person seemed to know about the Zonai and mentions the status of the race in the first appearance talking about the other person and their sister.
It would not be a jump to assume they knew about other Zonai things.
Tried to make that spoiler free but still make sense.
> Learning about that followed by the cutscene of the final tear dropping, then seeing that memoryā¦. I was really bummed for a while after that. It was so good.
I watched the tear memories more than a week ago I've beaten the game. I'm *still* bummed about it. I still don't fully understand why.
Ah.
I don't know. I don't think the other dragons are related to the stones at all. The stone is *a way* to become a dragon. It's not necessarily the only way.
I think there's a decent chance the three dragons are literal incarnations or avatars of Din, Farore, and Nayru.
They mention several times that the Zonai were believed to be gods, and some characters, including Ganondorf, lament the lack of Zonai at the time of Hyrule's founding.
This made me think that, perhaps, the three golden goddesses were actually Zonai all along, that were believed to be goddesses and had a whole mythology built around them, that ate their secret stones (or otherwise used them in the creation of the Triforce in a similar manner).
There has to be a reason for the Zonai to *know* what consuming secret stones does, and I believe that it's because it has happened at some point before Mineru taught Zelda, perhaps multiple times to the point of becoming taboo and forbidden.
You could be absolutely correct, because I don't think they've said near enough explicitly to do more than theorize about a bunch. I guess it leaves them lots of room to tell stories in the Breath of the Wild history.
But I've been obsessed with TotK's story, so I have some ideas/theories as well.
> There has to be a reason for the Zonai to know what consuming secret stones does
I don't know that they do know. Rauru had no idea that swallowing the stone was a thing at all.
They quote Mineru reads seems wrong.
Clearly the notion that draconification is to "loose one's self" is not the whole picture. Zelda was able to interact with Link on some level in the temple of time at the beginning of the game. Also her memories were retained enough that she was able to cry them into the tears.
I'm going to put the rest in spoiler tags because it's involves the end of the game.
>!At the end of the game, it becomes clear that draconification being irreversible is also wrong. I think Nintendo did a crappy job explaining that with the hand-wavey "um, time powers and light powers cure everything!" I'd like to think the writers at least thought through the story enough to make that quote from Mineru a quote from an unreliable narrator or myth that has been twisted to loose vital information.!<
I guess none of that actually suggests you might be wrong. Just that, I don't think the last two Zonai had any idea what the secret stones even are.
I reckon it is just a case of the zonai being misinformed because nobody had tried or at least succeeded before with the act being a gigantic risk.
Bigger spoilers below but you shouldnāt be here to begin with if it matters
I assumed it only worked because rauru Sonia and mineru became so insanely strong from the stones that their spirits power could combin with that of the Hero of Hyrule amped up on shrine light in order to cast essentially an omega level recall on her
> I reckon it is just a case of the zonai being misinformed because nobody had tried or at least succeeded before with the act being a gigantic risk.
This is what I think too.
Aside from that, this is a more far fetched theory I have. Maybe the secret stones don't actually change people into dragons.
The secret stones are powerful based on the subject using them. They amplify the power that exists inside a person. Or maybe, because the person believes they amplify their power, that's what the stone does. In a similar way, if a person believes they will turn into an immortal floating dragon for eternity by swallowing the stone...then the stone makes that happen.
But if someone knows how to control the subjective nature of the stone, then they can undo whatever it does.
Like I said, off the wall. There's nothing in the game I've seen that suggests this explicitly.
> I assumed it only worked because rauru Sonia and mineru became so insanely strong from the stones that their spirits power could combin with that of the Hero of Hyrule amped up on shrine light in order to cast essentially an omega level recall on her
I like to think that Sonia and Rauru got to whatever afterlife exists in the Zelda universe, and they were just straight up told by someone that they were wrong about the stones and how to fix Zelda. That became their spirits unfinished business and granted them the ability to fix it.
I've seen the idea that the time reversal thing happens on Zelda to revert her. But I don't know. I think it's probably correct, but they should have showed the recall animation to solidify it. And what does "light power" even do to fix her?
In the game it seals evil and heals. I guess Zelda needed healing?
I got through the third memory and then realized 2 things: the memories are called Dragonās Tears and said memories are seen as a pool of water raising from the ground and then eventually vanishing which made me think >!are these being partially recalled time wise?!< then I eventually saw the light dragon
And the fact that she was clearly suffering not only emotionally, but physically, during the transformation was absolutely brutal. Made the whole thing a million times worse.
I was in denial lol. Kept thinking that Sonia would be the one. Then she ded oops. So then I thought Mineru would do it. Holding out hope until the very end lol.
I didn't do the memories in order, so the last one I got was explaining about the transformation, all the previous ones were just "Zelda don't do the thing" so I didn't know till the last moment
I don't think the devs really expected anybody to do them in order, since there really isn't anything that says "Hey, maybe you should visit *that* one in particular now". Hell, you don't even see all of the memories with the geoglyphs.
Yup.
I saw the memory about transforming to a dragon is permanent by swallowing the stone and thought
"huh, thats random. Weird. lets go collect some more DRAGON TEARS that somehow connect to zeldas memories to fill in the gap- _oh god._"
Yeah like a week before the game came out, the bit of the last memory right where it happens was on my Twitter thread.
And itās basically the biggest spoiler of the whole game.
>!I got the Master Sword before finding out. I felt terrible about retrieving the Master Sword and not even hugging Zelda so I went again and spent a few minutes with her.!<
Haven't finished the game yet so idk if is going to get resolved nicely, but it still fucks me over when I see the light dragon.... No spoilers please, I am taking my time
>!I was just in awe. Such an epic moment with the cutscene after successfully pulling the sword. I thought the scene alone was rewarding enough, to the point that I was surprised when I got the item popup for the actual sword too lol!<
I cannot tell how many times during the temple quests (cause I got master sword before wind temple lol) ive wanted to just scream "THAT ISNT ZELDA YOU FREAKING IDIOTS"
Like, the dragon isnt SUPER obvious at first, but the blood moon cutscene and the fact that she keeps appearing when things go wrong got me really sussed out
This bothered me so much!!! I finally found that if you go back to the room in the Forgotten Temple, Impa will be there and there is a brief (stupidly brief and shallow) dialog with her about Zelda!dragon. But still. Why can't I tell Purah or Paya?? It's so weird and disappointing.
I wanted to get the master sword as early as possible so I looked up how to get it without getting into spoilers. I went the Deku Tree route and got the sword with no idea how it got there. Then I discovered this later and was like "huh. That's neat."
I feel Totk, while it does a better job, still suffers from it's free form nature in the story department. I wouldn't mind a more linearly told narrative at some point. I know I kinda screwed myself, but it just wasn't impactful for me the way it seems to have been for many others because of the order I did things in.
Honestly I don't think I have a single one. I've done all but one of the "strange phenomenon" quests. I stumbled upon the spirit sage and got that. Is there a quest line I'm missing? I know there's something big with the crop circle looking things around Hyrule. Is there someone I'm supposed to talk to?
Isn't the spirit sage hard locked after the other four sages?
I never tried to dive into the thunder clouds before I did the other sages and even then I would have guessed, they put some other locking mechanism in place.
You can talk to Impa for that missing quest line, but that's not necessary. You can just search the geoglyphs for the tears. Once you realize, the tears are always on a horizontal surface, especially the ones at the mountain sides are easy to find.
Nope. Just wander into the storm clouds and find the main chamber through the Haze and the quest line for that will start. I didn't even know the spirit sage was a thing - I just wandered into the cloud to see what it was about.
Are you supposed to go to the deku tree before getting the master sword too? I remember getting to the deku tree and he was like "Oh yes, about your sword... you already have it. Good job"
nope, I was just curious about the second thunderhead cloud so i went exploring, and ended up finding out there was a "secret" 5th temple. Does the game tell you to go find it if you complete the other 4?
I kinda wish this game had more hidden optional big dungeons. Like I initially found the wind temple on my own because I was curious about the first big thunderhead and the floating boats, and it felt like such a cool discovery when I made my ascent for the first time, and finally got to the temple. Then, when I realized that I would've been told to go to the wind temple anyway and was supposed to even have tulin helping me get there, it was slightly disappointing that I didn't make any sort of special discovery after all.
But anyway, even if they're part of the main story, its still fun to discover the random stuff spread throughout the world
Yeah itās pretty heavily foreshadowed even without the sword I got it when I went to take one of the dragons teeth and noticed the blond hair and blue eyes combined with the one off mention of dragonifiying.
>! Number twelve (Rist Peninsula, only one without a geoglyph) really hits you, especially with the silent princesses surrounding the tear after you find it.!<
Stuck in a ballsack for 100 years
Becomes a literal dumb Dragon for 10000 or whatever years
Watch her become a terminator or some sht next game when she dies and they revive her spirit corpse or something
The best part of just wandering around findings thing after thing to do is when I notice her passing by in the sky. It's pleasant to just watch her fly around and know she's still watching over Hyrule and Link's lil adventures. āŗļøš
The funny thing about me finding out was I got the Master Sword early and THEN did the memories and with the Master Sword memory and the memories I got along the way particularly the memory about draconification made me realize early and I had the same reaction as most people
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Bruh I had the same reaction and sent this photo to my friend, saying ādidnāt I do it for youā
It really sucks because if you go to Linkās house in Hateno (now Link be Zeldaās house, the latter of which has made it more homely) you can read two of Zeldaās journals, one of them sheās happy about the school and stuff like that, and in the other she was excited to give link an improved Champions tunic, having said that, I still donāt understand why she hid it in the Castle especially since itās obvious the castle hasnāt even begun to be rebuilt, then they go down beneath hyrule castle and find a mummy that destroys the master sword, raises the castle, destroys linkās hand, and causes zelda to fall into a fissure. Everything was fine for like two minutes then they go in a cave and everything went to shit.
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I was hoping you did that on purpose because GOD I was thinking it when I pulled up the image xD
When i found out it fucked me up for about an hour
Iād gotten that particular reveal spoiled for me, but seeing that memory still got to me too despite the fact I knew it was coming.
To be fair, the memories kind of telegraph it. I think most people will figure things out by the time they get to that big reveal.
I figured it out on the third memory. I think they want people to go: *"Wow, why on earth would they be mentioning this super random thing? Boy that would suck. Huh, probably nothing will come of it."*
I got that one and was just filled with immediate dread. "Oh shit, that's the Checkoviest Checkov's gun that ever Checkoved". I then spent the next few hours rationalizing that it couldn't be Zelda.
> I then spent the next few hours rationalizing that it couldn't be Zelda. It's funny, I was kind of okay with it until I watched the last two memories. Those messed me up. I still feel messed up more than a week later. I wish they'd not gone that route. But that's because of how I fill in the story gaps, and what I wanted (and did not get) from Tears of the Kingdom. Even having beat the game, I still kind of hate seeing the light dragon floating around. For a while it nearly ruined the whole game for me.
After some time I accepted it. It's a really ballsy and creative solution to the problem. Personally, I would've liked it if the Master Sword was just that level of broken now and needed some Zonai tech enhancement to fix it after the Sword had been used for so long. Perhaps we're getting to that point, as it seems to be getting really brittle in these newer games, and it would be an interesting direction for the series to take.
Yeah, I would have preferred that too. Speaking of the Master Sword. Looking at it, again, injecting my interpretation into the gaps of story, if I were Link; I would have been furious with the Master Sword. Like, if it wasn't Zelda's "last wish" that Link use it; he would have been "chucked it into mount Doom" levels of furious. > After some time I accepted it. I It's still up in the air if I'll ever be able to. Knowing how it ends helps. But that dragon is just a constant floating reminder that Nintendo squandered one of the best iterations of Zelda they've ever created. I think it would have been infinitely more interesting if she was in the game and played an active role in the story. I think if people view Zelda's story as purely a "sacrifice one's self for the greater good" archetype, then it's a really good story. But what I liked most about Breath of the Wild were all the little personal moments and sub-plots. Zelda struggling with not having her power, Revali being jealous of Link, Mipha being thirsty for Link, and on and on. There is so much of that packed into Breath of the Wild. In TOTK, I feel like it got really stripped down to tell that bigger story about saving the world and everyone involved sacrificing to accomplish that goal. Without a lot of the flavor that made it interesting in BOTW. The sages got some flavor, Zelda and Link got very little. I mean, other than her sacrificing herself for eternity. They could have put so much more into that. But nope, it's just "save Hyrule please Link!" and so little of the weight of that sacrifice seems felt in the moment by either character. Like I said, the story has been burning a hole in my brain for over a week and I can't seem to shut up about it lol.
I havenāt finished the story yet (Iāve been aggressively avoiding it so that I can explore the world in some just of ADHD fuelled distraction binge), so please no spoilers, but I have finished all the geoglyph memories. The way I see it, Zeldaās sacrifice isnāt just to prepare the Master Sword for Link to carry again, it also appears to be her only way of making it back to the present herself as well. She never got the chance to learn how to master her time powers from what I have seen, so the only way for her to make it back home is to sacrifice herself the way she did. The game says that to do so is to lose oneās self, but I assume the she has enough faith in Link that she believes he may be able to save her in some way. Like I said though, I havenāt finished the story yet, so I will probably be wrong
I will avoid ending spoilers. > The game says that to do so is to lose oneās self, but I assume the she has enough faith in Link that she believes he may be able to save her in some way. I thought this as well for a bit, and I wish I could agree with you. But she says some things in the memories I think suggest she thought she probably would never be able to change back or be saved, at the very least. There is a cutscene, the memory between 17 and 18, which I won't spoil, but someone tells her this explicitly. She's told *"You can never change back."* and responds *"It's something I have to do."* In memory 17 she also says "I will be *forever changed*" I've said this elsewhere, but there are hints she, and everyone else is wrong. For example, the "loose one's self" part of the quote Mineru references. The fact, at the beginning of the game you interact with her. She seems to be able to talk with you with her mind somehow a couple times, The tears themselves are evidence that her memories are not lost or gone, just not forefront. The memory after retrieving the Master Sword shows her still there on some level. Stuff like that. She's not gone, gone. So, maybe, somewhere in the back of her mind she thought Link might be able to save her somehow. But I think there is a much stronger suggestion that she thinks she's basically killing herself, and being lost to live as a dragon for eternity. Everyone who knows about it in the game seems to think the same thing. The only person who even suggests at even trying to fix her at all, is Impa at the end of the memories quest. And after saying that, when you encounter her later, she says something like "yeah, I'm trying to find something, nothing so far!" Every other NPC I've run into, and every story element I see treats her like she's dead. And they do it so casually, with so little emotion. I think I understand why Nintendo took the story that direction, and why they are so explicit about "this is a change for forever." And I don't like it. I won't spoil part of it. But I think the other part of it is that they are using it as a cheap way to pull the heartstrings. And it works at accomplishing that. But, like I said above, it still lacks so much of the personal touch and expanding on her character. The sacrifice is noble, and heroic. The most emotion you get out of the whole thing is from a character in one memory (again, won't spoil if you've not seen it yet). And then Zelda's eyes being all shakey in memory 18 to hint she's terrified about what she's doing. It's heartbreaking, and awful, as the player who's invested in the story. But no one else seems to give a crap. Link shows more emotion over a well cooked meal, than he does when finding out that his friend, or whatever she is to him, is gone forever. People say that Link is a blank slate with no character, but that's not true. He shows emotion, he has shown a lot of emotion in past games. But Nintendo didn't want to let him even have a crumb of attachment for the person he died (or nearly died) to protect and saved the world for. I dunno. Again, like I said above, I think you can insert a lot into the story. But it would have been much better if Nintendo had bothered to show some of this. It would have been more impactful and meaningful. I also think they definitely should have put *some* hope into the story that Zelda could be saved. I know why they didn't, but they easily could have. Heck, maybe it is there and I've just not found it yet.
I thought it was gonna be Raruu lmao
Same! He was the sage of light, and it would explain how his hand was left, and the dragon iconography with the Zonai structures.
"well there is a way we could get you to the future, but here's the in-depth process on how to do so and also exactly why we never would ever do it... ....so that was just a pointless suggestion that we definitely won't ever do and I brought it up for no reason."
For it was like that + >!wow that totally won't come round to bite me on the arse when I fight ganondorf!<
>!I had no idea was coming until I got there. I still don't get how Gannondorf even knew what swallowing the stone would do. Zelda showing up at the end to help in the fight was also something I didn't predict.!< >!When I got to the fight it was like "Ohh, now I get why the did the story like this." Also, the imagery that looked ripped straight out of Spirited Away. I think they could have done the story better...a lot better. But yeah.!<
No idea how to spoiler but person seemed to know about the Zonai and mentions the status of the race in the first appearance talking about the other person and their sister. It would not be a jump to assume they knew about other Zonai things. Tried to make that spoiler free but still make sense.
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> Learning about that followed by the cutscene of the final tear dropping, then seeing that memoryā¦. I was really bummed for a while after that. It was so good. I watched the tear memories more than a week ago I've beaten the game. I'm *still* bummed about it. I still don't fully understand why.
I was thinking more of the other three dragons, because that meant there were 3 more stones at one time.
Ah. I don't know. I don't think the other dragons are related to the stones at all. The stone is *a way* to become a dragon. It's not necessarily the only way. I think there's a decent chance the three dragons are literal incarnations or avatars of Din, Farore, and Nayru.
They mention several times that the Zonai were believed to be gods, and some characters, including Ganondorf, lament the lack of Zonai at the time of Hyrule's founding. This made me think that, perhaps, the three golden goddesses were actually Zonai all along, that were believed to be goddesses and had a whole mythology built around them, that ate their secret stones (or otherwise used them in the creation of the Triforce in a similar manner). There has to be a reason for the Zonai to *know* what consuming secret stones does, and I believe that it's because it has happened at some point before Mineru taught Zelda, perhaps multiple times to the point of becoming taboo and forbidden.
You could be absolutely correct, because I don't think they've said near enough explicitly to do more than theorize about a bunch. I guess it leaves them lots of room to tell stories in the Breath of the Wild history. But I've been obsessed with TotK's story, so I have some ideas/theories as well. > There has to be a reason for the Zonai to know what consuming secret stones does I don't know that they do know. Rauru had no idea that swallowing the stone was a thing at all. They quote Mineru reads seems wrong. Clearly the notion that draconification is to "loose one's self" is not the whole picture. Zelda was able to interact with Link on some level in the temple of time at the beginning of the game. Also her memories were retained enough that she was able to cry them into the tears. I'm going to put the rest in spoiler tags because it's involves the end of the game. >!At the end of the game, it becomes clear that draconification being irreversible is also wrong. I think Nintendo did a crappy job explaining that with the hand-wavey "um, time powers and light powers cure everything!" I'd like to think the writers at least thought through the story enough to make that quote from Mineru a quote from an unreliable narrator or myth that has been twisted to loose vital information.!< I guess none of that actually suggests you might be wrong. Just that, I don't think the last two Zonai had any idea what the secret stones even are.
I reckon it is just a case of the zonai being misinformed because nobody had tried or at least succeeded before with the act being a gigantic risk. Bigger spoilers below but you shouldnāt be here to begin with if it matters I assumed it only worked because rauru Sonia and mineru became so insanely strong from the stones that their spirits power could combin with that of the Hero of Hyrule amped up on shrine light in order to cast essentially an omega level recall on her
> I reckon it is just a case of the zonai being misinformed because nobody had tried or at least succeeded before with the act being a gigantic risk. This is what I think too. Aside from that, this is a more far fetched theory I have. Maybe the secret stones don't actually change people into dragons. The secret stones are powerful based on the subject using them. They amplify the power that exists inside a person. Or maybe, because the person believes they amplify their power, that's what the stone does. In a similar way, if a person believes they will turn into an immortal floating dragon for eternity by swallowing the stone...then the stone makes that happen. But if someone knows how to control the subjective nature of the stone, then they can undo whatever it does. Like I said, off the wall. There's nothing in the game I've seen that suggests this explicitly. > I assumed it only worked because rauru Sonia and mineru became so insanely strong from the stones that their spirits power could combin with that of the Hero of Hyrule amped up on shrine light in order to cast essentially an omega level recall on her I like to think that Sonia and Rauru got to whatever afterlife exists in the Zelda universe, and they were just straight up told by someone that they were wrong about the stones and how to fix Zelda. That became their spirits unfinished business and granted them the ability to fix it. I've seen the idea that the time reversal thing happens on Zelda to revert her. But I don't know. I think it's probably correct, but they should have showed the recall animation to solidify it. And what does "light power" even do to fix her? In the game it seals evil and heals. I guess Zelda needed healing?
I got through the third memory and then realized 2 things: the memories are called Dragonās Tears and said memories are seen as a pool of water raising from the ground and then eventually vanishing which made me think >!are these being partially recalled time wise?!< then I eventually saw the light dragon
i saw one of the memories, then noticed that there was actually a 4th dragon suddenly, and was like oh shit
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And the fact that she was clearly suffering not only emotionally, but physically, during the transformation was absolutely brutal. Made the whole thing a million times worse.
I was in denial lol. Kept thinking that Sonia would be the one. Then she ded oops. So then I thought Mineru would do it. Holding out hope until the very end lol.
I didn't do the memories in order, so the last one I got was explaining about the transformation, all the previous ones were just "Zelda don't do the thing" so I didn't know till the last moment
I don't think the devs really expected anybody to do them in order, since there really isn't anything that says "Hey, maybe you should visit *that* one in particular now". Hell, you don't even see all of the memories with the geoglyphs.
The Forgotten Temple has them ordered on the wall. I did them that way
Yup. I saw the memory about transforming to a dragon is permanent by swallowing the stone and thought "huh, thats random. Weird. lets go collect some more DRAGON TEARS that somehow connect to zeldas memories to fill in the gap- _oh god._"
I figured it out at my third geoglyph which was draco discussion. Already seen dragon at that time
Yeah like a week before the game came out, the bit of the last memory right where it happens was on my Twitter thread. And itās basically the biggest spoiler of the whole game.
Everytime I look at Master Sword I can't help to think this is literally made in Zelda's blood and flesh.
So metal.
I was wrecked after this! And absolutely hated that I was standing on her face. So disrespectful.
It was so predictable but seeing the light dragon still fucks me up every time
>!I got the Master Sword before finding out. I felt terrible about retrieving the Master Sword and not even hugging Zelda so I went again and spent a few minutes with her.!<
Itās like remembering mipha for me. Itās the exact moment I truly hated Ganondorf.
Haven't finished the game yet so idk if is going to get resolved nicely, but it still fucks me over when I see the light dragon.... No spoilers please, I am taking my time
>!I was just in awe. Such an epic moment with the cutscene after successfully pulling the sword. I thought the scene alone was rewarding enough, to the point that I was surprised when I got the item popup for the actual sword too lol!<
Dude right? I was so sad.
That is a unit of a snout.
It grew 1/1000 of an inch for every year of suffering she had
Borzoi dragon
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I cannot tell how many times during the temple quests (cause I got master sword before wind temple lol) ive wanted to just scream "THAT ISNT ZELDA YOU FREAKING IDIOTS"
Especially Yunobo. Bro that ain't her stop it.
Even I did and i didnt even know about the dragon, Come on that blood moon cutscene made it clear as crystal
Like, the dragon isnt SUPER obvious at first, but the blood moon cutscene and the fact that she keeps appearing when things go wrong got me really sussed out
This bothered me so much!!! I finally found that if you go back to the room in the Forgotten Temple, Impa will be there and there is a brief (stupidly brief and shallow) dialog with her about Zelda!dragon. But still. Why can't I tell Purah or Paya?? It's so weird and disappointing.
I wanted to get the master sword as early as possible so I looked up how to get it without getting into spoilers. I went the Deku Tree route and got the sword with no idea how it got there. Then I discovered this later and was like "huh. That's neat." I feel Totk, while it does a better job, still suffers from it's free form nature in the story department. I wouldn't mind a more linearly told narrative at some point. I know I kinda screwed myself, but it just wasn't impactful for me the way it seems to have been for many others because of the order I did things in.
Yah, I found every tear first and let me tell you, it hit me so hard I couldnt take my mind off the rest of the day
You get there if you do the main quests. Just have to do them and not skip around.
It would already have been incredible helpful, if they didn't make the tears **so** easy to find.
Honestly I don't think I have a single one. I've done all but one of the "strange phenomenon" quests. I stumbled upon the spirit sage and got that. Is there a quest line I'm missing? I know there's something big with the crop circle looking things around Hyrule. Is there someone I'm supposed to talk to?
Isn't the spirit sage hard locked after the other four sages? I never tried to dive into the thunder clouds before I did the other sages and even then I would have guessed, they put some other locking mechanism in place. You can talk to Impa for that missing quest line, but that's not necessary. You can just search the geoglyphs for the tears. Once you realize, the tears are always on a horizontal surface, especially the ones at the mountain sides are easy to find.
Nope. Just wander into the storm clouds and find the main chamber through the Haze and the quest line for that will start. I didn't even know the spirit sage was a thing - I just wandered into the cloud to see what it was about.
When you're done with the other sages, there is a quest line in Kakariko that points you to the fifth sage and lets you remove some of the clouds.
Are you supposed to go to the deku tree before getting the master sword too? I remember getting to the deku tree and he was like "Oh yes, about your sword... you already have it. Good job"
My understanding is there are at least two ways to get the master sword. The Deku Tree is a shorter path but involves a difficult fight.
I never expected someone to do the tears pretty much as the last of the main quest lines.
nope, I was just curious about the second thunderhead cloud so i went exploring, and ended up finding out there was a "secret" 5th temple. Does the game tell you to go find it if you complete the other 4? I kinda wish this game had more hidden optional big dungeons. Like I initially found the wind temple on my own because I was curious about the first big thunderhead and the floating boats, and it felt like such a cool discovery when I made my ascent for the first time, and finally got to the temple. Then, when I realized that I would've been told to go to the wind temple anyway and was supposed to even have tulin helping me get there, it was slightly disappointing that I didn't make any sort of special discovery after all. But anyway, even if they're part of the main story, its still fun to discover the random stuff spread throughout the world
Go find Impa at new serene stable, that'll get you started on the quest.
Many thanks!
I absolutely would mind a more linearly told narrative, personally. I love that TOTK is experimenting with this kind of storytelling.
I didnāt even need all the geogylphs cuz I found the sword first and put two and two together
Yeah itās pretty heavily foreshadowed even without the sword I got it when I went to take one of the dragons teeth and noticed the blond hair and blue eyes combined with the one off mention of dragonifiying.
It started with the crown, and everything else you mentioned came with it
Kermie
After I found out the whole light dragon situation I was just like: Eh oh well see ya
Finally this idea has been done
āGet the sword looking geoglyph lastā mfs when I tell them that I got it third cuz swords look cool
*Didn't I do it for you?*
she did it for him..
A HEEM HEEM WHIMPER
This made me cry!
>! Number twelve (Rist Peninsula, only one without a geoglyph) really hits you, especially with the silent princesses surrounding the tear after you find it.!<
Stuck in a ballsack for 100 years Becomes a literal dumb Dragon for 10000 or whatever years Watch her become a terminator or some sht next game when she dies and they revive her spirit corpse or something
The best part of just wandering around findings thing after thing to do is when I notice her passing by in the sky. It's pleasant to just watch her fly around and know she's still watching over Hyrule and Link's lil adventures. āŗļøš
The funny thing about me finding out was I got the Master Sword early and THEN did the memories and with the Master Sword memory and the memories I got along the way particularly the memory about draconification made me realize early and I had the same reaction as most people
best art i've ever seen
When I found out what happened my day became worse
i have a pic in my purah pad just like this
https://preview.redd.it/cp0ktghzqd3b1.jpeg?width=3024&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=1beebfa4d6ef8428b6bf7679fa31d8c49e2657ee Bruh I had the same reaction and sent this photo to my friend, saying ādidnāt I do it for youā
Just reminding you all that the dragons go into the chasms just like the dog goes into the Pringles can
It really sucks because if you go to Linkās house in Hateno (now Link be Zeldaās house, the latter of which has made it more homely) you can read two of Zeldaās journals, one of them sheās happy about the school and stuff like that, and in the other she was excited to give link an improved Champions tunic, having said that, I still donāt understand why she hid it in the Castle especially since itās obvious the castle hasnāt even begun to be rebuilt, then they go down beneath hyrule castle and find a mummy that destroys the master sword, raises the castle, destroys linkās hand, and causes zelda to fall into a fissure. Everything was fine for like two minutes then they go in a cave and everything went to shit.
Did anyone else realize it as soon as they saw the dragon, I was like >!That dragon really looks like bae...oh shit!<